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Title: President Biden
Post by: Viking on November 07, 2020, 09:39:06 AM
Well the fat lady is singing loudly. AP and other media outlets are calling Biden the winner. With Arizona and Georgia likely to also go Democrat that will put Biden well over 300 electoral votes. To win Trump would need to get results overturned in multiple states which is not likely. Well i guess we can all get back to normal now :-)

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

Simply amazing what Biden accomplished given where he was tracking at the beginning of the Democratic primaries.

President Biden. Sleepy Joe, didn’t know you had it in you :-)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 07, 2020, 09:44:15 AM
This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.


Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Xaston on November 07, 2020, 09:55:41 AM
This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.


Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

Depends on your time frame. 

To me it was Trump's to lose, in as much as incumbents very rarely lose, and populations love wartime presidents and he was handed Covid-19.  Then he handled that the way he handled that, and the polls dictated that he had "lost" the election that was his to lose.  Then it became Biden's to lose.

That's my two cents on whose election it was to lose, and when.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 07, 2020, 10:02:10 AM
Relief sweeps the world and America!  There are more people outside of the White House cheering "Na na na na, good bye!" then there were at Trump's inauguration!   :D  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Jurgis on November 07, 2020, 10:17:07 AM
Go 306.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Viking on November 07, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.


Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

Lots of new information has become available in the past 5 days. Like an election was held and the results were tabulated. What we learned was Trump outperformed expectations and was within a whisker of winning a second term. That was impressive and should be recognized.

Given he was so close it is also normal to ask what could he have done to pick up a few thousand votes? I know, i know. He has had a perfect Presidency and he ran a perfect campaign. His failure to capture the Presidency has nothing to do with his words or actions. It is all a conspiracy. Someone else is to blame for his epic failure (first term Presidents do no lose unless they mess up big time).

What we also know is he lost. And for the Presidential election margin of victory means nothing (win by 1 vote or a landslide). Time for Trump to get his resume updated (and get his legal team staffed up).
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 07, 2020, 11:00:17 AM
You dont think he runs in 2024? I would almost certainly wager he does. He vastly outperformed his 2016 turnout, made significant progress across the board with minority groups, and largely delivered for Republicans what they wanted. If you cant see this you are missing the bigger picture. Ultimately, there is no one in the Republican universe who can match what Trump brings to the table in terms of voter enthusiasm and turnout. 2024 IMO will likely hinge on whether or not the economy recovers to a satisfactory degree. This of course means real progress for black, hispanics, and blue collar white folks. Time will tell if Biden can do this. These are groups that are absolutely sick of the establishment(blue collar white) or starting to turn on it(black and hispanic).
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: longinvestor on November 07, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-pennsylvania-trump-cast-vote-after-election-day-illegal-ballot-2020-11

Just who exactly was cheating?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 07, 2020, 11:22:59 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-pennsylvania-trump-cast-vote-after-election-day-illegal-ballot-2020-11

Just who exactly was cheating?


I think one of the Michigan(maybe it was Wisconsin) pols said it best when announcing they'd investigate everything. Paraphrasing, "you have one guy who is doing everything he can to rile people up and throw fuel on the fire, and the other guy doesnt seem to care at all that there are some deeply suspicious things that are at least worth looking into"...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Viking on November 07, 2020, 11:24:55 AM
You dont think he runs in 2024? I would almost certainly wager he does. He vastly outperformed his 2016 turnout, made significant progress across the board with minority groups, and largely delivered for Republicans what they wanted. If you cant see this you are missing the bigger picture. Ultimately, there is no one in the Republican universe who can match what Trump brings to the table in terms of voter enthusiasm and turnout. 2024 IMO will likely hinge on whether or not the economy recovers to a satisfactory degree. This of course means real progress for black, hispanics, and blue collar white folks. Time will tell if Biden can do this. These are groups that are absolutely sick of the establishment(blue collar white) or starting to turn on it(black and hispanic).

2024 is a long ways away. No idea what happens next week let alone 4 years from now.

What Trump does in his next life will be very interesting to watch. The Republican party will be in a tough spot. I think Trump has built the nucleus of what the Republican party could become (party of the working class). The big risk with Trump is his mental make up - this loss could drive him to be even more extreme/do and say even more crazy things.

The most likely outcome in January is Trump will simply start campaigning for the next Presidential election. Stolen election. Big victim. Big go fund me campaign. His supporters will eat that with a knife and fork. So we get 4 years of Trump doing everything he can to stay relevant. Not that difficult with social media. Not good for the US as the polarization will get much worse. Trump’s brand of politics will not end with him losing the election. People who love him will celebrate. People who hate him will pull their hair out.

What the Republican party does with Trump in the next year will be key. Do they chose country or Trump?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 07, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.


Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

Lots of new information has become available in the past 5 days. Like an election was held and the results were tabulated. What we learned was Trump outperformed expectations and was within a whisker of winning a second term. That was impressive and should be recognized.

Given he was so close it is also normal to ask what could he have done to pick up a few thousand votes? I know, i know. He has had a perfect Presidency and he ran a perfect campaign. His failure to capture the Presidency has nothing to do with his words or actions. It is all a conspiracy. Someone else is to blame for his epic failure (first term Presidents do no lose unless they mess up big time).

What we also know is he lost. And for the Presidential election margin of victory means nothing (win by 1 vote or a landslide). Time for Trump to get his resume updated (and get his legal team staffed up).
The election was close in a number of states. That is true. But somehow I don't see how you come within a whisker of winning the election as a Republican when you loose Arizona and Georgia.

Consider how insane it is that Arizona - which only once voted D for President since 1948 (Billy 1996) - just voted a Democrat for President and will have 2 Democrat Senators.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Spekulatius on November 07, 2020, 12:49:14 PM
This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.


Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

Lots of new information has become available in the past 5 days. Like an election was held and the results were tabulated. What we learned was Trump outperformed expectations and was within a whisker of winning a second term. That was impressive and should be recognized.

Given he was so close it is also normal to ask what could he have done to pick up a few thousand votes? I know, i know. He has had a perfect Presidency and he ran a perfect campaign. His failure to capture the Presidency has nothing to do with his words or actions. It is all a conspiracy. Someone else is to blame for his epic failure (first term Presidents do no lose unless they mess up big time).

What we also know is he lost. And for the Presidential election margin of victory means nothing (win by 1 vote or a landslide). Time for Trump to get his resume updated (and get his legal team staffed up).
The election was close in a number of states. That is true. But somehow I don't see how you come within a whisker of winning the election as a Republican when you loose Arizona and Georgia.

Consider how insane it is that Arizona - which only once voted D for President since 1948 (Billy 1996) - just voted a Democrat for President and will have 2 Democrat Senators.

Don’t forget that Jo Jorgensen, the libertarian who was touted here as a candidate got 1.5%. I don’t know if these voters would have voted Trump or Biden, but it is enough to possibly make a difference in this election.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on November 08, 2020, 05:34:50 PM
Hasn’t Arizona been flooded with individuals moving from Cal? This is also happening in Texas. Not hard to see these states go democrat in the near future.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on November 09, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1325854261289213952?s=21
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 09, 2020, 09:44:34 AM
https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1325854261289213952?s=21

Classic. Then again some people believe strange things due to their derangement. Imagine waking up this morning thinking the market was up 5% because Biden won the presidency, even though everyone knew this last week?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Spekulatius on November 10, 2020, 05:31:17 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 10, 2020, 06:18:26 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on November 10, 2020, 06:43:01 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 10, 2020, 07:09:25 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...
It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: stahleyp on November 10, 2020, 07:18:03 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...
It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

A huge reason that NYC has such high GDP is simply because of government handouts. If the government normalized interest rates and stopped running huge bailouts, NYC would look like it did in the 1970s again (or worse). The stock market and real estate would get absolutely destroyed. You could also say the same thing about certain parts of CA. Now, I think many parts of the country benefit more than others by government bailouts but NYC gets way more of a benefit.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on November 10, 2020, 07:18:26 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...
It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

Wait are you referring to what we discussed yesterday regarding popular vote? that's what I thought you were talking about.

I guess you were referring to the thread where you claimed to be the tax czar. You can shift tax revenue from income to consumption an likely have a similar effect on GDP growth. As I said, there is more than one way to skin a cat. You were making the claim that the only effective way to tax is through a strictly progressive tax system on an income basis.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 10, 2020, 07:22:11 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
SHARE

People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...
It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

A huge reason that NYC has such high GDP is simply because of government handouts. If the government normalized interest rates and stopped running huge bailouts, NYC would look like it did in the 1970s again (or worse). The stock market and real estate would get absolutely destroyed. You could also say the same thing about certain parts of CA. Now, I think many parts of the country benefit more than others by government bailouts but NYC gets way more of a benefit.
as i said, not just nyc i could do this all day with cities.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: stahleyp on November 10, 2020, 07:27:43 PM
Interesting stat:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY)

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Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP
By Aaron Zitner
SHARE

People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES
America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.
Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...
It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

A huge reason that NYC has such high GDP is simply because of government handouts. If the government normalized interest rates and stopped running huge bailouts, NYC would look like it did in the 1970s again (or worse). The stock market and real estate would get absolutely destroyed. You could also say the same thing about certain parts of CA. Now, I think many parts of the country benefit more than others by government bailouts but NYC gets way more of a benefit.
as i said, not just nyc i could do this all day with cities.

Right but that's mostly due to government regulations and laws. When China joined the WTO and NAFTA was approved that killed a lot of small communities. So, cities grew and small towns suffered.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 15, 2020, 08:30:28 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/understanding-trump-voters-heres-why-110001165.html

This was a pretty well put together piece, I thought. While not capturing the entire substance of the article, I particularly found amusing this paragraph which definitely describes quite a few folks here.

As a high school teacher in a predominantly first-generation and low-income Latino community, I noticed something very interesting. First, my fellow teachers, who were naturally very educated, very liberal and quite talented teachers, and usually came from serious financial privilege, barely survived the Trump presidency emotionally. In real life their lives didn't change a bit. They still went to Europe during the summer, went out to eat all weekend, shopped at Whole Foods and lived in the heart of expensive liberal-bastion neighborhoods like Cambridge and Somerville. In fact, I bet their financial lives improved during the Trump presidency, or at least their parents' lives did.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 09:30:10 AM
^ of course, they barely survived emotionally because they are so "woke"!

And they certainly don't live in neighborhoods where the schools are wrecked or crime is out of control due to idiotic progressive POLICIES.

They are perfectly content to virtue signal!   

And perfectly happy to tell everyone else how to live.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 16, 2020, 10:50:31 AM
CNBC headline....companies gear up for Biden administration with lobbyist hiring spree...

Looks like they know the game...glad to have their "establishment" back. Ah, the good ole days!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 16, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
CNBC headline....companies gear up for Biden administration with lobbyist hiring spree...

Looks like they know the game...glad to have their "establishment" back. Ah, the good ole days!

Trump kept firing all of his lobbyists.  The only ones left were his family and son-in-law!  Granted...a couple of Trump's lobbyists also went to jail.  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 17, 2020, 04:17:01 AM
CNBC headline....companies gear up for Biden administration with lobbyist hiring spree...

Looks like they know the game...glad to have their "establishment" back. Ah, the good ole days!
How many secretaries in the Trump admin are former lobbyists?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 17, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
Latest status report:

https://youtu.be/yD3op9ROL0k?t=154

https://youtu.be/yD3op9ROL0k?t=950

More crap from a fired, criminal has-been!  Let's stop giving this turd a platform.  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 17, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
Surely no one with half a clue believes anything that idiot Bannon says?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 17, 2020, 12:29:18 PM
And surely those of us with a little more intellectual curiosity and an interest in truth dont just disregard everything anyone says just cuz....Ive never understood the purpose of immediately writing off what anyone has to say. Going by the same logic, 3 people could say the same thing, something unequivocally true, and somehow, some folks would only believe 1 or 2 of them...Better exercise is simply to examine/question the content of something while ignoring the source...no real benefit in being close minded.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 17, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
Constitutionally if the vote cannot be certified that is a big deal.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 17, 2020, 12:47:38 PM
And surely those of us with a little more intellectual curiosity and an interest in truth dont just disregard everything anyone says just cuz....Ive never understood the purpose of immediately writing off what anyone has to say. Going by the same logic, 3 people could say the same thing, something unequivocally true, and somehow, some folks would only believe 1 or 2 of them...Better exercise is simply to examine/question the content of something while ignoring the source...no real benefit in being close minded.

Well I guess if he spouts off enough baloney, just by the law of averages some of it might be right, it is just that there are a lot of more independent information sources out there. But, as a source of the 'truth' Bannon would be a long way down the list.   
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 17, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
Georgia announced recount by hand should be completed tomorrow and will affirm that Biden won.  Governor also stated that Lindsey Graham told him specifically to "look hard and find ballots to throw out."  Cheers!

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on November 18, 2020, 04:03:27 AM
Surely no one with half a clue believes anything that idiot Bannon says?

Yeah, Bannon is no idiot. The architect of his election campaign in 2016. Bannon is a love/hate kind of guy. Bannon knows the Swamp well
and that's why the hate him - they must get rid of him for good.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 18, 2020, 09:44:35 AM
Wow! What a crazy mess this is. Count all votes??? How many boxes were lost, misplaced, votes not well certified and how easy to perpetrate a fraud with no one noticing?

Who is going to swear under oath that this was done properly?

Will we read shortly: "Bullshit", "Stick it up your a.." and what not?

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on November 18, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
Wow! What a crazy mess this is. Count all votes??? How many boxes were lost, misplaced, votes not well certified and how easy to perpetrate a fraud with no one noticing?

Who is going to swear under oath that this was done properly?

Will we read shortly: "Bullshit", "Stick it up your a.." and what not?

Cardboard
Yea it’s almost like there should be an automated solution.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 18, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
Attorney Sidney Powell: Trump Had Up to 80 Million Votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPZuGpH95KQ

Why do you keep pulling this shit off sites that we know to be completely right wing...no different than idiots repeating everything said on left wing media.  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 18, 2020, 12:21:17 PM
Wow! What a crazy mess this is. Count all votes??? How many boxes were lost, misplaced, votes not well certified and how easy to perpetrate a fraud with no one noticing?

Who is going to swear under oath that this was done properly?

Will we read shortly: "Bullshit", "Stick it up your a.." and what not?

Cardboard

Let's also dig into states where Biden was leading but the votes turned.  You don't want recounts there, right?  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 18, 2020, 01:05:17 PM
Dont you think it is a problem when the only place you can get the entire story is on places disparaged and declared "far right" by the "supposedly" credible MSM outlets who refuse to report events that dont fit their narrative? Every American(maybe Canadians too) should be forced to watch the congressional testimony featuring Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg. Its downright scary what MSM is being used for and for all the folks bitching about "threats to democracy"...they should be up in arms about it. Yet they are silent cuz they hate Trump lol...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 18, 2020, 01:16:07 PM
Oh... now front page or same thing as discussed on obscure outlets or so-called right wing:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/business/stock-market-election-trump-jpmorgan/index.html

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 18, 2020, 01:30:33 PM
Oh... now front page or same thing as discussed on obscure outlets or so-called right wing:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/business/stock-market-election-trump-jpmorgan/index.html

Cardboard

Haha!  They are not even the same subject matter at all.  Maybe you should watch them both again.  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 18, 2020, 03:27:47 PM
It’s embarrassing to see the US acting like a third world country.

An uncontrolled deadly virus kills a quarter million citizens while a failed administration refuses to recognize the results of their own national election. And then refuses to cooperate in sharing national information with the incoming administration on matters of crucial national importance.   

And yet both the election and pandemic has occurred under the outgoing administration that has been in power for the past for years.

And then you have the outgoing president asking if he can pardon himself for the crimes he has committed. You just can't  make this stuff up.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 18, 2020, 04:31:24 PM
More news for today:

Chris Krebs, cybersecurity and risk management issues expert and part of the Trump administration who has been head of the Department of Homeland Security's cybersecurity agency tweeted that the 2020 election was "the most secure election in American history."

Krebs was fired by Trump today because it doesn’t fall in line with Trumps delusions.

Of course this adds to Trumps widespread expertise as he not only knows more than the generals and scientists, but now apparently he is also an expert in the cybersecurity field.  Just gotta be the smartest guy in the world and so multi-talented!
 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on November 18, 2020, 04:38:07 PM
Attorney Sidney Powell: Trump Had Up to 80 Million Votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPZuGpH95KQ

What if someone said that they think Biden had up to 140 million votes and he won all 50 states. It’s the voter fraud, voter suppression, Dominion switching votes, dead voters, every other bullshit you have been spouting for the last two weeks etc that cost Biden all the other states like Ohio, Iowa, Texas, Florida etc. It would also explain why Republicans got any Senate and House seats.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 18, 2020, 04:38:37 PM
When are you going to call out Trudeau for his Covid crimes Cwericb?

11,186 deaths in Canada for a 10th of U.S. population and much more spread out.

Please stop with your bullshit would you?

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on November 18, 2020, 04:59:43 PM
When are you going to call out Trudeau for his Covid crimes Cwericb?

11,186 deaths in Canada for a 10th of U.S. population and much more spread out.

Please stop with your bullshit would you?

Cardboard

Are you talking about Canada? The country where nearly 50% of the population lives in 10 cities. The country which whose climate makes it much easier for COVID-19 to spread and has 40% of US deaths adjusted for population. Is that the Canada you are talking about?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 18, 2020, 06:24:09 PM
When are you going to call out Trudeau for his Covid crimes Cwericb?

11,186 deaths in Canada for a 10th of U.S. population and much more spread out.

Please stop with your bullshit would you?

Cardboard

Well Cardboard talking about bullshit - perhaps you might want to go back and redo your grade school math.

I'll help you with it.

Here ya go, 11,186 x 10 = 111,186. Now compare that to 250,000. So the US rate is still more than double Canada's.  Got it?
 
Now factor this in.... Covid - as expected - is hitting North America with the second wave as the cold weather hits. Now you may have noticed that Canada is to the North of the US? That means we get the cold weather first so just hang on to your insults until we see how things develop to the south of us as winter sets in.

Now I don't know if you have reading issues, but I will tell you for the fourth or fifth time that I am no fan of Trudeau nor am I a defender of his. However since you are such a staunch supporter of Trump, we will see how this works out over time.

ALSO. If the US would clean up their act it would make it a lot easier for Canada to control Covid. Here is a number for you. THREE POINT TWO MILLION truckers have crossed the border into Canada from the US since March. Do you think some of them just might be bringing the Covid north with them?

Here is a hint. Covid is totally out of control in the Central Northern US states  - those that border Canada.

You might want to take a real close look at this graph and see where the Canadian Provinces compare to the US States before you accuse someone of spreading bullshit.

PS.  You might notice from the graph that Manitoba has the highest rate of Covid in Canada.
Manitoba borders North Dakota which has the highest rate in the US.
See the connection?
Yet North Dakota has SIX times the rate of Manitoba.

Your turn.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 18, 2020, 06:38:39 PM
Math is very simple and quite comparable when you look at population density. And talking about weather have you looked at warm countries like Italy and rate of infection?

Plus Americans kept their liberties which they wanted, not Mr. Trump's choice while NB'ers like you are happy to be anti-social and live in their basement.

So yeah cut the bs!

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 18, 2020, 07:21:07 PM
 
Math is very simple and quite comparable when you look at population density. And talking about weather have you looked at warm countries like Italy and rate of infection?

Plus Americans kept their liberties which they wanted, not Mr. Trump's choice while NB'ers like you are happy to be anti-social and live in their basement.

So yeah cut the bs!

Cardboard

Well adesigar already straightened you out on the density issue and I will add that 90% of the population lives within 100 miles of the US border and Toronto has the same or larger population than Chicago, so no, the population density has little to do with it. Again compare N. Dakota and Manitoba.

So you also think that the rise in Covid rate in the Northern States has nothing to do with the weather? Funny how the experts (and the Covid map) disagree with you, but I know, I know, you and Trump know more than the experts.

Now on the subject of bullshit I am going to have to straighten you out once again. This time it is Italy. Now I know you, like your hero just make up stuff all the time, but sometimes someone has to fact check you too. 

So let me help you out once again. This time its on Italy. Guess what? It gets COLD in Italy in winter too. In fact it snows in portions of Italy in winter. Have you ever hear of the Alps? It gets really cold in those parts. So who’s bullshitting?

And no I do not live in New Brunswick either, but keep guessing dude. But by the way, did you check that graph I shared for you? Check out where the four LOWEST rates of Covid are in North America?

And since you have difficulty in controlling the disease in your area your only reaction is to try to make fun of where it is more controlled. Kinda well, childish isn’t that?

Have a good night.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 18, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
Very simple math and yet wrong.

Firstly, Us population is 8.7X that of Canada's. Secondly, Canada is more urbanized and generally has higher density than the US. Thirdly, Italy? Italy's big outbreak was in the north in the spring. You wouldn't want to go to the beach there in the spring. There's great skiing like 50 km from Milan. Fourthly this had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

But then that's Cardboard. When even he can't defend the indefensible he'll just start attacking other members. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 19, 2020, 06:01:22 AM

Well now Cardboard, it would seem that adesigar, rb and I have all tried to correct your knowledge of Canada and elementary mathematics, so we hope you may now understand and benefit from our humble attempts to improve your knowledge in these areas.   

One cannot help but wonder why it seems that SOME of those on the Right, especially those who have drunk the Kool Aid and have become addicted to it, will often just make up things out of thin air to back up their points. Failing that, they will often resort to accusations plucked from some obscure right wing propaganda piece and quote them as though they were the absolute truth.

That practice, at times and to be polite, has been termed “Bovine Scatology”. But when you are the one guilty of spreading the offensive material, well blame others while you pile it higher and deeper. 

I don’t know who they mimic that MO from? I mean what sort of roll model would set such a low bar and such a poor example? What kind of person would frequently lie, exaggerate, deflect, and otherwise substitute ‘alternative facts’ for real facts. Who in their right mind would do such a disreputable sort of thing?

Oh wait...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 19, 2020, 06:28:01 AM
Lol! Rb, Adesigar and Cwericb or the leftist triumvirate? Spouting Trump hate since day 1?

Keep mixing apples and oranges and you guys end up with turds or something I guess you are very familiar with.

Not long ago you guys were saying "oh look at climbing infection rate in red States such as Texas and Florida". Now Covid is all about the weather? Probably a cause of climate change too?

Truth us that Americans are courageous and don't hide in their basement like the rest of the western world when their dictators (real ones) tell them to do so.

Gregmal said it best at beginning of pandemic or something along the lines: stay away from sick people, use your head.

Well I followed his advice and my entire family and none got sick other than a hair dresser cousin who I guess really needed cash but, only ended up with a small flu.

So yeah, get lost you government lovers! Once again it is big pharmas delivering vaccines and cures and not your Politburo.

Thank God Mr. Trump understood that. Likely saved millions of people.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 06:37:44 AM
That has what to do with the US acting like a 3rd world country?

Do you need some air?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on November 19, 2020, 06:39:04 AM
^ This whole deal is turning out to be such bullshit.

Check out Gavin Newsome, Nancy Pelosi, The Cuomo brothers (Fredo too), Lori Lightfoot (our disgusting mayor), and the DNC leadership team.
We mandate rules you MUST follow for the good of the population - but WE DON'T FOLLOW THESE RESTRICTIONS.

We treat you as children, not responsible adults.

People have had it here in Illinois - many restaurants are staying open, having been good citizens for MONTHS listening to these hypocrites
and now defying these LOSER politicians who make up arbitrary rules that they have NO INTENTION of obeying.

Greg Mal had it right.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 19, 2020, 07:37:05 AM
Jeezch. Where to start.

“Now Covid is all about the weather? Probably a cause of climate change too?”

 
Showing your lack of knowledge again Cardboard? From day one it was acknowledged that a second wave would hit once the weather changed. Now the weather has changed and you don’t think it has anything to do with it? Take a look at the chart I posted for you - where are the highest breakouts? Where the weather has turned cold. You guys keep saying it is just like the flu. So when do we see the flu, in the summer or when the weather turns cold? You guys can't even be consistent with your own arguments. Really you need to use some common sense if you don’t think the weather has anything to do with it.

“Truth us that Americans are courageous and don't hide in their basement like the rest of the western world when their dictators (real ones) tell them to do so.”

That is such a dumb statement I don’t know where to start.
1) Don’t confuse courage with stupidity.
2) Wtf are you doing living in Canada if you think the US is doing so well?
3) Dictators? Well I know where there is a dictator wanna be who just got kicked out of office. AND, just because the Conservatives moved too far to the right and handed the Liberals the government you need to suck it up and get with the plan if you ever want to see the party back in power.
4) How is that ‘not hiding in the basement’ freedom working out in the US? Ask the quarter million dead people what they think about it. Ask their families.

“Gregmal said it best at beginning of pandemic or something along the lines: stay away from sick people, use your head.”

Yeah and how is that working out? And how do you know when someone is asymptomatic?

“Thank God Mr. Trump understood that. Likely saved millions of people.”


If that wasn’t so sad it would be hilarious.

And Cubs:
“People have had it here in Illinois - many restaurants are staying open, having been good citizens for MONTHS listening to these hypocrites and now defying these LOSER politicians who make up arbitrary rules that they have NO INTENTION of obeying.”

Yeah? And how has that been working out for you guys? I will check back 2 weeks after Thanksgiving. And again 2 weeks after Xmas.
By the way, Illinois is number 8 of all states, territories and provinces in Covid infections. Keep up the good work.

“We treat you as children, not responsible adults.”


Well - act like children, get treated like children. If your State was at the bottom of the Covid infection list instead of at the top perhaps you would have a point.

I’m pretty well done here since some here want to live in your own reality where actual facts are replaced by ‘alternate facts’.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 19, 2020, 10:20:55 AM
Attorney Sidney Powell: Trump Had Up to 80 Million Votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPZuGpH95KQ

Why do you keep pulling this shit off sites that we know to be completely right wing...no different than idiots repeating everything said on left wing media.  Cheers!

(https://meme-generator.com/wp-content/uploads/mememe/2019/10/mememe_79d0d8b35a2b60b5a6167d9279bcd1b3-1.jpg)

Probably some nutjob NRA member with an AR-15 and full body armor is chasing that little girl!    :'(  Can't even say cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 02:40:51 PM
It’s embarrassing to see the US acting like a third world country.

An uncontrolled deadly virus kills a quarter million citizens while a failed administration refuses to recognize the results of their own national election. And then refuses to cooperate in sharing national information with the incoming administration on matters of crucial national importance.   

And yet both the election and pandemic has occurred under the outgoing administration that has been in power for the past for years.

And then you have the outgoing president asking if he can pardon himself for the crimes he has committed. You just can't  make this stuff up.
You thought it was embarrassing yesterday?

Welcome to today!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 19, 2020, 04:53:58 PM
Sad and embarrassing to watch as Trump seriously damages America's reputation.

Like it or not, we live in a global world with a global economy. Just as in business, a country's reputation matters. That guy who was going to ‘drain the swamp’? He's doing everything he can to flush the country’s reputation down the drain.

Those who still don't believe this should start watching media in other countries.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 19, 2020, 04:56:40 PM
Put your money where your mouth is and short the dollar then. Otherwise, move along...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 19, 2020, 05:03:33 PM
I'm sure our right wing posters won't accept this, but...

Georgia certifies results...no state-wide fraud according to audit.  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/georgia-recount-election-results/index.html
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 05:28:04 PM
Put your money where your mouth is and short the dollar then. Otherwise, move along...
I'm short the dollar. I made a good chunk of money on that this year. I don't think I'll make much more from here for what it's worth but the position is open.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 05:35:58 PM
So at this point we've moved from Trump claiming the election was rigged and there was massive fraud to Trump loosing in court all over the place because they have no evidence of fraud (in some cases even his lawyers declaring in court that there wasn't fraud) to Trump trying to get state legislatures to throw the election his was - basically trying to rig the election.

So I repeat an older question. How does all this represent a love for America?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on November 19, 2020, 05:51:22 PM
So at this point we've moved from Trump claiming the election was rigged and there was massive fraud to Trump loosing in court all over the place because they have no evidence of fraud (in some cases even his lawyers declaring in court that there wasn't fraud) to Trump trying to get state legislatures to throw the election his was - basically trying to rig the election.

So I repeat an older question. How does all this represent a love for America?

Well, there probably was fraud, but when you have Giuliani running the show, it's like Trump representing himself...or worse, Eric representing him!   :P  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 19, 2020, 06:00:55 PM
Put your money where your mouth is and short the dollar then. Otherwise, move along...

You post like you have no clue about this so I hate to break it to you, but there is a lot more to life than money. There is also a lot more to reputation than money.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 19, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
Well, if you are talking about your values Cwericb, then I want nothing to do with them!

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 19, 2020, 06:28:52 PM
Well, if you are talking about your values Cwericb, then I want nothing to do with them!

Cardboard

Well I would guess the feeling would be mutual.  But at least you have the honesty to admit that money is your primary motivation in life so good luck with that.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 06:45:09 PM
Well, if you are talking about your values Cwericb, then I want nothing to do with them!

Cardboard

Well I would guess the feeling would be mutual.  But at least you have the honesty to admit that money is your primary motivation in life so good luck with that.
Nah, money is Cardboard's main motivation. But it's a good excuse.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
So at this point we've moved from Trump claiming the election was rigged and there was massive fraud to Trump loosing in court all over the place because they have no evidence of fraud (in some cases even his lawyers declaring in court that there wasn't fraud) to Trump trying to get state legislatures to throw the election his was - basically trying to rig the election.

So I repeat an older question. How does all this represent a love for America?

Well, there probably was fraud, but when you have Giuliani running the show, it's like Trump representing himself...or worse, Eric representing him!   :P  Cheers!
Honestly, at this point if I had to fight for my life and I had to choose between Giuliani and Eric, I'd probably go with Eric. That is after I go punch myself in the balls about 20 times for letting my life come to that.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 19, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
Put your money where your mouth is and short the dollar then. Otherwise, move along...

You post like you have no clue about this so I hate to break it to you, but there is a lot more to life than money. There is also a lot more to reputation than money.

As Ive posted on this forum several times, I agree...theres plenty more to life than money. Which is why I passed up the opportunity to pretty easily make 7 figures and maybe 8 in perpetuity with my business in exchange for the opportunity to enjoy life and my family. This has zero to do with simply having conviction and making a wager; putting your money where your mouth is, like Rb has at least placed his money there. Where are you? If you are so confident in the things you repetitiously drivel, betting against the dollar is hardly a Herculean task. If you want to spout off, but dont have the nuts to at least stand behind it, then that is indicative of your beliefs being on par with a pile of shit...the US is a third world country and the reputation is shot...please...so easy to make a fortune betting on this if you truly believe it.......
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 20, 2020, 03:34:49 AM
Our most precious asset is time.

Gregmal has chosen to spend more time with his family than acquiring more funds than he would otherwise need to be happy. That is intelligent and rational thinking.

However, to get to that point where he could afford to make that choice, he very likely had to make sacrifices: get an education, work long hours, avoid some partying and saving his money.

However, the discussion that we read on this board constantly by the more vocal left leaning fellows who also like to call themselves "center" is anything but, intelligent and rational.

As I said countless times, this is an investment board where you normally come to in order to find or validate ideas that could make you money to eventually be able to make a Gregmal decision or to help your situation in life.

To have said goal and at same time to advocate for more government involvement in your life is deeply incompatible. Maybe that these folks are well intentioned, have already succeeded and think that government can help less fortunate than they are and in theory it should be ok.

However, history and human nature tell us a completely different story. Incentives and envy make this grand dream fall apart. What you get instead is corruption, uncontrollable unions, excessive regulation which at the right size eventually kill earning capacity of society.

Donald Trump is far from being a "perfect" individual. No one is anyway. Although, it is undeniable that he is the choice to make to have a freer society with less government involvement. You can bitch and moan, nit pick about this and that but, it remains the truth.

The alternative has vastly different policies and the trend that they put in place is really hard to impossible to unwind due again to human traits that I have mentioned previously. These "fingers" that get deeper and deeper are not there to help you, nor your fellow citizens and they don't get replaced nor removed at every election.

So regarding values, either you believe in yourself and personal responsibilities or you don't. This should be reflected in your actions, thoughts and yes how you vote to keep out those who oppose this vision.

Cardboard



Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on November 20, 2020, 04:42:53 AM
And Cubs:
“People have had it here in Illinois - many restaurants are staying open, having been good citizens for MONTHS listening to these hypocrites and now defying these LOSER politicians who make up arbitrary rules that they have NO INTENTION of obeying.”

Yeah? And how has that been working out for you guys? I will check back 2 weeks after Thanksgiving. And again 2 weeks after Xmas.
By the way, Illinois is number 8 of all states, territories and provinces in Covid infections. Keep up the good work.

“We treat you as children, not responsible adults.”


Well - act like children, get treated like children. If your State was at the bottom of the Covid infection list instead of at the top perhaps you would have a point.

I’m pretty well done here since some here want to live in your own reality where actual facts are replaced by ‘alternate facts’.

Dude - you are definitely losing it. I never hear a word from you about the destruction of businesses and livelihoods that these bullshit lockdowns lead to...

You got school systems shutting down - while a POS like Gavin Newsom sends HIS kids to private schools in California. In a state of 40M people
2 kids under the age of 18 have died from CV19 - yet this POS sets policies he has no intention of following.

In our state, our fat boy Governor Pritzker is restricting Thankgiving travel and gatherings - yet the fat POS just sent his wife and kids to Florida
for the holidays. Good to hear you have so much faith in these jokers.

One thing you got right. The political class in the USA is turning into a joke. Big government is a failure - even though you want more of it.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 20, 2020, 10:27:53 AM
Greg, right away you assume that the damage to the US reputation is just financial. I would suggest that in future it will be more difficult to enter into agreements with the other countries when they now know that any agreement may not be honoured by the next administration?
As far as the US$ is concerned? Think about it. I live in Canada right? So already the vast majority of my funds are in CDN $, not US$. By default my property and essentially everything I own is valued in Canadian $. I have more than enough riding on the exchange rate.

Cardboard, I actually tend to agree with much of your post. However I think that much of the Right has moved so far right they think everything else is far Left and see no room for center. Perhaps we need new definitions? Unfortunately, I also think that Trump, as a leader of the Right is a terrible choice.

Cubs, is it just coincidence that there are more cases per population in red states than blue? No one likes lockdowns but they do work. Of course if you have a better solution to stopping the spread and deaths from Covid-19, by all means promote it.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 20, 2020, 11:38:56 AM
PS Cubs..... Let’s put that pesky little Covid thing in perspective.

   3,000 people were killed in 9/11. People were shocked and two months later the US invaded Afghanistan, defense-related  budgets skyrocketed and two years later the US invaded Iraq.

   2,400 people were killed in Pearl Harbor. People were incensed and the U.S. immediately declared a war against Japan and Germany that lasted for four years.

   2,000 people died from Covid-19 Just Yesterday - 83 an hour, every hour.

   250,000 people died from Covid-19 since March. And yet people are scared shitless that some businesses might have to close for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Jurgis on November 20, 2020, 11:48:54 AM
PS Cubs..... Let’s put that pesky little Covid thing in perspective.

   3,000 people were killed in 9/11. People were shocked and two months later the US invaded Afghanistan, defense-related  budgets skyrocketed and two years later the US invaded Iraq.

   2,400 people were killed in Pearl Harbor. People were incensed and the U.S. immediately declared a war against Japan and Germany that lasted for four years.

   2,000 people died from Covid-19 Just Yesterday - 83 an hour, every hour.

   250,000 people died from Covid-19 since March. And yet people are scared shitless that some businesses might have to close for a couple of weeks.

So basically you are saying that Trump should nuke China.  8)


MAGA hat is fully on!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 12:00:13 PM
PS Cubs..... Let’s put that pesky little Covid thing in perspective.

   3,000 people were killed in 9/11. People were shocked and two months later the US invaded Afghanistan, defense-related  budgets skyrocketed and two years later the US invaded Iraq.

   2,400 people were killed in Pearl Harbor. People were incensed and the U.S. immediately declared a war against Japan and Germany that lasted for four years.

   2,000 people died from Covid-19 Just Yesterday - 83 an hour, every hour.

   250,000 people died from Covid-19 since March. And yet people are scared shitless that some businesses might have to close for a couple of weeks.

LOL you're so lost. I guarantee you more normal, healthy, productive people died in all of the events you mentioned...but sure! keep all cars off the road cuz it might be perilous for the blue 1993 Saturn with a missing bumper and red replacement door!

And weeks? You're either clueless or deliberately lying. There's businesses that haven't been allowed to operate normally for 7+ months now. Hows anyone who works in theatre doing? Or restaurants...which happen to be one of the largest employment pockets in the country? What a joke. A couple weeks.....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: stahleyp on November 20, 2020, 12:02:16 PM
If people are dying when/if Biden takes over, will the liberals say that Biden killed them?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 20, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Was trying to put things in perspective, but obviously lost on some.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Jurgis on November 20, 2020, 12:38:48 PM
Was trying to put things in perspective, but obviously lost on some.

It's par for the course.

Mar-a-Lago course of course.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on November 20, 2020, 02:51:14 PM
Was trying to put things in perspective, but obviously lost on some.

You cannot reason with cultists.  I’m guessing we cross 200,000 cases today. Faux news has no coverage on COVID-19. They don’t care that Americans are sick and dying. They are busy trying to destroy American Democracy with lies.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 20, 2020, 04:37:53 PM
“LOL you're so lost. I guarantee you more normal, healthy, productive people died in all of the events you mentioned...”

Yes Greg, we all know that you think those 250,000 people that died were just a waste of space anyway. Others don't share those feelings. Fortunately. Who's lost?

Furthermore, you conveniently just ignore the fact that more and more people (NB. younger people) are showing a whole assortment of ongoing issues that will have an unknown effect in the future. So far they are seeing lasting fatigue, shortness of breath, cough, joint pain, chest pain, difficulty with thinking and concentration, depression, muscle pain, headaches, intermittent fever, and heart palpitations.
   
This may present serious problems in future both for the individuals involved as well as the health care system. So you can take your idea that this is just like the flu, and it only effects old people and people who are going to die anyway and well ...

"And weeks? You're either clueless or deliberately lying. There's businesses that haven't been allowed to operate normally for 7+ months now.”

Of course there is. We happen to be in the middle of a pandemic. If you expect things to operate as normal in the middle of a pandemic than you are delusional.

"Hows anyone who works in theater doing? Or restaurants...which happen to be one of the largest employment pockets in the country? What a joke. A couple weeks....."

I was referring to a hard lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic.

You seem to believe things will be fine if we just all go about our business normally. Presently, as you are complaining about, we are NOT going about our business as normal and even so 2,000 people a day are dying.

Did you ever once even consider that your whole approach to the pandemic might be wrong?

I mean you were the guy who maintained that Covid-19 was "just like the flu" and it was blown out of all proportion. You were the guy who said that you would only become concerned when the number of people who died from it outnumbered the “fingers on one hand”. You have been wrong before, But ignoring the problem is just kicking the can further down the road. (You should be a politician!) Ignoring the problem just contributes to making the problem more serious further down the road because, like it or not, we all have to deal with it.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 04:59:59 PM
Ive already addressed literally everyone of your talking points, and as plenty of others have noticed, have gotten this thing a whole lot more right than most. But feel free to regurgitate the "OMG xxx,xxx deaths! Not like the flu!" recital every time we hit another "milestone"...OMG 200k cases! 300k deaths!. Its a pandemic, get over it. Maybe in Canada you guys are fine with whatever theyre doing. In America you dont steal peoples freedoms. You are free to be in your basement as much as you should be free to go about your life in whatever way you wish. Its not really disputable, that still, to this day, the worst damage and fatality rates lies with the cities and states stealing peoples freedoms. This thing is blown out of proportion and for 99% of the population is basically the flu, or even some studies are showing...less severe than the flu due to high % of asymptomatic. I was the guy who said a lot of things, and I also acted/responded accordingly, documented over and over for all to see and have done extremely well. No one knows what you guys have done because all you guys do is whine and cry and behave like scared children too scared to go upstairs to change your soiled pants.

If I was into playing your games Id revert to talking point like you and your friends wasted everyones time with for the past 7 months....such as...do you notice how ever since Joe Biden has been president elect America has been setting records for covid cases! Joes fault!

EDIT: Ill sum it up simply. One of us has consistently backed up their claims and put their money where their mouth is on everything from covid to the election and been more correct than not, while others just ramble and mouth off and at the end of the day an opinion on its own without any sort of conviction is pretty darn worthless and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
^ LOL

In America you dont steal peoples freedoms.

The President is trying to steal an election as we speak.

Its not really disputable, that still, to this day, the worst damage and fatality rates lies with the cities and states stealing peoples freedoms.

Of course it would be. Lockdown/restrictions would be correlated with areas hit by the virus. That's pretty logical.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
You keep referring to people “hiding in their basement”?

To date and as far as we know only one person who thought he had to hide in his basement was Trump.

“This thing [Covid-19] is blown out of proportion and for 99% of the population is basically the flu, or even some studies are showing...less severe than the flu due to high % of asymptomatic.”


YOU ... ARE ... COMPLETELY ... DELUSIONAL.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 22, 2020, 04:44:47 PM
You keep referring to people “hiding in their basement”?

To date and as far as we know only one person who thought he had to hide in his basement was Trump.

“This thing [Covid-19] is blown out of proportion and for 99% of the population is basically the flu, or even some studies are showing...less severe than the flu due to high % of asymptomatic.”


YOU ... ARE ... COMPLETELY ... DELUSIONAL.

So even grossly undercounted numbers currently show 16.8M active cases. 99% in mild or better category. Death, even regarding liberal mismanaged places and data coming from before widespread testing, and also undercounting cases since a death from covid will 100% be counted but many asymptomatic never show up in the test figures, show 97% recovered, and of the 3% 95% where in awful shape/had major underlying issues. From the summer, when testing became widespread, greater than 99% are mild/asymptomatic....So yea, the 99% number is correct. But who cares. More of the same from the guy who does nothing but cry about Trump and who's been wrong about oh so much for so long and not coincidentally never has the conviction to really man up and put anything of substance behind his rhetoric.

Classic example.
cwericb go to "gotcha" comment. "you said you'd get concerned when you needed more than two hands to count covid deaths".....

LOL yup. I did. 100% GUILTY! When BERY gets leverage down, I'll look at it. When Pure Cycle puts together 2 consecutive profitable quarters I'll look at it. When NYC rents plummet 50%, I'll be concerned.....When data changes you re-evaluate....well, at least thats what any half decent investor does. Which I think if you ask most of the folks around here which one of us fits into that category...it certainly wouldn't be you. I dont think anyone even has a clue what you do beside whine about Trump and spout off things that generally turn out to be completely wrong or at best totally jaded. Which is the hilarity in your "delusion"(to use your word)...so washed out mentally that you legit think quoting my saying that I will continue to evaluate incoming data is some sort of gotcha LOL. So yea...good points. But theres the data. 99% its a non issue and over and over again in cities you are seeing people dont need your advice or Fauci's, or Cuomos....and guess what...when they "dont take the virus serious...AND THEN THEY GET IT"...like the media loves pointing out, most often, its a nothing burger.

So yea, go back to your basement...we'll send a post card with a heads up when the coast is clear and covid is gone and let you know when its safe to come out. Hopefully in the next two months Trump doesnt turn the US into a 3rd world country that has ZERO of the characteristics(by your own admission) of a third world country.....another one of your "big concerns" thats just as delusional as the rest and why you cant even bet against the dollar which would be like the easiest thing in the world to do to capitalize/hedge if you really thought this was such a certainty! But yea, tell us more.. Wah, waaah, wah.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on November 22, 2020, 05:19:01 PM
Gregmal is a smart man and pretty lucid.

Cwericb? I will definitely call you a whiner here.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 06:48:27 PM

“who's been wrong about oh so much for so long and not coincidentally never has the conviction to really man up and put anything of substance behind his rhetoric.”

Want to show specific instances where anything I have said has been wrong? Other than in your personal opinion.

List:

Now I have to admit it is difficult to argue with someone who believes he is always right - and one who believes he is a true futurist as well. I will admit that unlike you, I am not infallible.

But why do you keep carping about my shorting the U$? Is that supposed to be a joke?

Do you just not understand the concept that people who live in other countries already hold nearly everything theytheir vehicles  own, Their home, their properties, much of their investments, etc, etc, etc. in a “foreign” currency to begin with? That’s a pretty damn big short right there. Sheesh!   I am really surprised that you don't grasp that concept.

But aren’t YOU the guy who should short the US dollar?

Hasn’t it been YOU who has been touting, soon to be gone, Trump as God’s gift to the economy?

Aren’t YOU the one who thought Biden and especially Harris would be disastrous for the economy?

Haven’t you been telling us that Biden, Harris and Bernie will wreck the economy?

I just find your logic to be kind of inconsistent.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 07:04:12 PM
I think Cardboard has a crush.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 22, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
You must be off the meds. All of my posts on these subjects are here and my opinions have been known. Thats the beauty of things being in writing and time stamped. You dont have to short the dollar, but once in a while putting something behind this fanatical ranting and emotional whining shouldn't be too much to ask if you wish to be taken serious, is it? Owning a car in Canada isn't shorting the dollar lol. If you need help figuring out how to make a bet/investment on this super high conviction position of yours that the US is becoming a third world country, hey! maybe start a thread in the investment section for once, no?

But back to you other bizarre conclusions and statements... for over a year, my take on the election situation was mainly that Biden(not Harris or Sanders with a dem controlled Congress) would be just fine. And that the best case scenario was a Biden presidency with a Republican Senate. I even put money on this. These are things probably anyone who reads these boards semi regularly would know Ive stated. Is there something wrong with you on a certain intellectual level or are you just outright lying again?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 07:18:07 PM
rb, A while ago Cardboard said he was 'confused' in a post on the investment board. Doodiliagnce said something to the effect that if he wasn't confused he wouldn't be able to recognize him. Kinda summed it up.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 22, 2020, 07:21:21 PM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.

See the above....around the same time, you started a thread wondering if the "US problems are insurmountable"....LOL
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.

See the above....around the same time, you started a thread wondering if the "US problems are insurmountable"....LOL

Oh, so you are against open discussions. Maybe read the discussion instead of just quoting the heading.

What is your fixation about shorting the dollar? Why would I want to short the U$ in the first place once Trump is gone? You are the one who keeps harping about shorting the dollar. I think the US will do just fine with Biden Harris. If you don't, you short the dollar.

However, when you avoid supporting your accusations (still waiting for that list) and intentionally take things totally out of context (owing a car in Canada..) give me a break you can't be that dense, then it a waste of time trying to debate with you. Reminds me of someone in Washington.


Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on November 22, 2020, 08:31:01 PM
I don’t get trying to link investment outcome with political justification. Particularly on an anonymous message board.

One does not validate the other.

I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 08:36:59 PM
I don’t get trying to link investment outcome with political justification. Particularly on an anonymous message board.

One does not validate the other.

I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?
It can't. Cause you're a librul  :P
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 22, 2020, 08:54:26 PM
I don’t get trying to link investment outcome with political justification. Particularly on an anonymous message board.

One does not validate the other.

I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?

There are certainly correlations, but I agree often its overblown. It has to do with policies. The majority of politicians/policies either way will have a negligible effect on most investment; although that is not to say certain combinations within the House/Senate/POTUS cant have major effects. There's themes to each presidency and as executive orders continue to get abused and the parties themselves become more extreme, there's certainly more to be on the lookout for. But general speaking, IDK, sitting around thinking someone is going to ruin the US for 4 years is pretty dumb. If anything its more prone to happen at the state level. I can tell you in your area specifically a bunch of the folks I talk to there mention the effect of Denvers aggregate combination of lifestyle options and LOW TAXES...is pulling in plenty of folks sick and tired of California. You see the reverse happening in the Northeast. Federally however, we're kind of within the constraints of a band that stretches back and forth depending upon who is in power but the range, while slowing expanding, is well defined. Only something extreme will break that...such as idk, substantially raising taxes, defunding police, crippling the largest pockets of employment, etc.

That said, theres plenty of folks here who have previously touted the stock market under Barack Obama, so IDK. Whereas, you can definitely quantify in certain terms how lets say, lowering corporate taxes can translate to an increase in worth...The point is to remain flexible rather than incessantly whining and ranting about the same old shit, over and over and over again.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 02:28:55 PM
Joey Basements behavior and cabinet appointments so far have been encouraging. Hopefully he keeps it up. Great call on Yellen.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Jurgis on November 23, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
I heard there's a socialist president in town: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/20/trump-drug-prices-overseas-438819
He was probably influenced by Hugo Chavez.
Where's Rudy when you need him to kick out the red menace from the White House?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 29, 2020, 05:33:05 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/29/biden-will-require-walking-boot-for-several-weeks-after-slipping-fracturing-foot-.html

And this guy said he'd fight Trump! LOL. Breaks his foot playing with his dog. Right up there with Dubya almost choking to death on pretzels watching a football game.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 29, 2020, 07:48:23 PM
I heard there's a socialist president in town: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/20/trump-drug-prices-overseas-438819
He was probably influenced by Hugo Chavez.
Where's Rudy when you need him to kick out the red menace from the White House?

It is retaliation because he feels they tried to hurt him:

The president reiterated those claims at a press conference Friday, accusing Pfizer "and others" of delaying vaccine trial results for political reasons — without offering evidence to support the accusation. "The drug companies don't like me too much, but we had to do it," he said. "I just hope they keep it. I hope they have the courage the keep it, because the powerful drug lobby, big pharma, is putting pressure on people like you wouldn't believe."

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 30, 2020, 10:08:17 AM
Yes, delegitimizing US Democracy is an honor shared alike by Donald/Kim/Vladimir.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on November 30, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
18 minutes of allegations and 0 minutes of actual evidence being presented.


Meanwhile Arizona and Wisconsin certify their election results:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-30/arizona-certifies-biden-s-election-victory-over-trump
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on November 30, 2020, 03:33:30 PM
18 minutes of allegations and 0 minutes of actual evidence being presented.


Meanwhile Arizona and Wisconsin certify their election results:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-30/arizona-certifies-biden-s-election-victory-over-trump

Both states can still be contested.  Very clear path in Wisconsin to overturn the results of the election.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on November 30, 2020, 03:39:38 PM
In that case, I look forward to the next 18 min video of Rudy “presenting evidence”
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on November 30, 2020, 04:27:39 PM
In that case, I look forward to the next 18 min video of Rudy “presenting evidence”

Props to you for actually watching it.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 30, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
Trump's Disgraceful Endgame:

The chief driver of the post-election contention of the past several weeks is the petulant refusal of one man to accept the verdict of the American people

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trump-election-fraud-disgraceful-endgame/

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 30, 2020, 04:50:56 PM
Who cares? He'll be gone in 6 weeks. But when you act the way everyone from the crybabies here did, all the way up to the MSM outlets and even many members of the Democratic Party did over the past 4 years....sorry, you dont get to opine on the behavior of others lol....Disgraceful they say....hmmm. Kind of like blabbering about illegitimate elections and interference for 4 years and now being flabbergasted the other guy has done it for 2+ weeks! Like I said in the other thread, these folks just need to be ignored. No credibility left. They're just clowns.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 30, 2020, 04:59:56 PM
Oh, Trump never believed that Russian interference was a hoax.  He was concerned that acknowledging it publicly would undermine the legitimacy of his election.  That is what I gleaned from John Bolton's book.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on November 30, 2020, 05:11:21 PM
As Ive said, I try to draw the line at claiming to be a mind reader, so I won't speculate on what he thinks or what a bureaucrat looking for a pay day wrote trying to sell a book, but the behaviors have been clear for all to see. One party and its disciples just spent 4 years whining about unfair elections. You dont now get to talk about others doing it for a couple weeks without being laughed at.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 01, 2020, 09:54:11 PM
Barr vilified by Trump supporters for saying there was no widespread fraud and what fraud there was would not have affected the outcome of the election:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/media/bill-barr-right-wing-media-reliable-sources/index.html

Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: stahleyp on December 03, 2020, 08:49:39 AM
Not exactly about Biden but it is about his former boss. Josh Hawley is the man. He gets it.

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1327267134175645696

"I see Barack Obama is not done calling America racist. Because there couldn’t possibly be any other reason to disagree with him and his neoliberal agenda that flatlined working wages and empowered the rise of #China"


 

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
It is a bit of a shame. There are times when I read things from Obama and its incredibly well thought out, rational, and generally speaking, on point. And then you see things like this where its like, well, I guess the guy just cant help himself sometimes. Early on in his presidency, he was very much the former. Then he got addicted to the identity politics bullshit and went off the deep end, setting the stage for Trump.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 03, 2020, 09:39:09 AM
When someone is rotten inside, it eventually shows up.

Same with believing/supporting leftist agenda, eventually it ruins investment results.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 03, 2020, 02:51:16 PM
Trump Supporters Including Michael Flynn Encourage Coup D'état of Biden Presidency

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-backers-including-flynn-edge-toward-a-call-to-suspend-constitution-to-head-off-biden-taking-office-015446889.html

This effing guy just got pardoned, calls himself a patriot, and is now willing to risk a coup of the incoming President.  I said some time ago that Flynn should be charged with treason...this is it!  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 03, 2020, 03:19:22 PM
Unfortunately some here wouldn't recognize an attempted coup until it was over. What Flynn is doing is essentially sedition.

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 04:04:29 PM
There wasn't much point to the dismissal of the Secretary of Defense after losing the election.  However, it was reported that Esper resisted Trump's earlier impulse to send US troops into US cities to control US citizens.

However, I am not concerned that there will be any such Coup D'etat.

A reporter earlier asked Pompeo about the transition and he smiled when he said that there will be 4 more years of a Trump presidency.

So I'm not overly concerned except for the safety of the Republicans who Trump is maligning.

Raffensberger I believe merely came to the conclusion of Pompeo and others.  They are trying to manage Trump's illness is what I think.  Pence will make a fine short-term president if the Cabinet needs to convene.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
Unfortunately some here wouldn't recognize an attempted coup until it was over. What Flynn is doing is essentially sedition.

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.

Literally every word of this applies to ANTIFA and BLM chumps as well.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 03, 2020, 04:14:03 PM
Unfortunately some here wouldn't recognize an attempted coup until it was over. What Flynn is doing is essentially sedition.

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.

Literally every word of this applies to ANTIFA and BLM chumps as well.

It’s officially bizarro world when the guy who has upheld American values and the Constitution his whole career is accused of committing a coup. But the group who burns American flags, actively waves the hammer and sickle, and says they want to tear down the system are the good guys.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
Its not bizarro world, its the America these losers hope to create.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 04:18:49 PM
I'm beginning to think we need to scrap the build a wall around Mexico thing. Make it from the Washington/Canada border and run it all the way down through Arizona. Then we can see if global warming is real, and if it is, well, problem solved.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 04:33:37 PM
Unfortunately some here wouldn't recognize an attempted coup until it was over. What Flynn is doing is essentially sedition.

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.

Literally every word of this applies to ANTIFA and BLM chumps as well.

It’s officially bizarro world when the guy who has upheld American values and the Constitution his whole career is accused of committing a coup. But the group who burns American flags, actively waves the hammer and sickle, and says they want to tear down the system are the good guys.

Years of service, etc, I'm sure will be argued by his legal counsel before sentencing if it ever comes to that.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 03, 2020, 04:39:46 PM
Unfortunately some here wouldn't recognize an attempted coup until it was over. What Flynn is doing is essentially sedition.

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.

Literally every word of this applies to ANTIFA and BLM chumps as well.

The difference is that Flynn is not some good ol’ boy sounding off after he’s been into the sauce a little too heavy or some right wing or left wing nut case. Flynn is a retired former general in the U.S. Army and former National Security Advisor to the President of the United States.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 03, 2020, 04:43:26 PM
I'm beginning to think we need to scrap the build a wall around Mexico thing. Make it from the Washington/Canada border and run it all the way down through Arizona. Then we can see if global warming is real, and if it is, well, problem solved.

Let’s just let states secede. Those big brain states can leave and then pay for all their social programs in their own. I mean, they love to flaunt the size of their economy and the percent of GDP the contribute.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 04:43:55 PM
Flynn is a guy who, along with his family, was just dragged through hell because of a partisan witch hunt stemming from the fact that one party couldn't accept the election results....

I think I'd be more prone to giving him a pass before some disheveled scumbag in nasty clothing, who hasn't showered in weeks, who's likely high on drugs and marches around screaming about how much he/she/they hates America.....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 03, 2020, 04:45:34 PM
It is a bit of a shame. There are times when I read things from Obama and its incredibly well thought out, rational, and generally speaking, on point. And then you see things like this where its like, well, I guess the guy just cant help himself sometimes. Early on in his presidency, he was very much the former. Then he got addicted to the identity politics bullshit and went off the deep end, setting the stage for Trump.

That is exactly what happened. Early on, he ran as the great uniter.  When the Democratic Party got totally smoked in the 2010 Mid-terms,
Obama reversed course and became the great divider running on identity politics issues and brought out the minority vote in large
numbers in order to right the ship. It worked for OBAMA, but was a disaster for the rest of his party.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 04:47:29 PM
because of a partisan witch hunt

My understanding is that he confessed to the charges.

Acceptance of the pardon was yet a third admission of guilt.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 03, 2020, 04:47:47 PM
Unfortunately some here wouldn't recognize an attempted coup until it was over. What Flynn is doing is essentially sedition.

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.

Oh, my god this is hilarious - we just witnessed 4 years of this from the DNC leadership - Trump's a traitor, Russian agent, blah, blah, blah.

Now the shoe is on the other foot - ROFL.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 03, 2020, 04:49:42 PM
because of a partisan witch hunt

My understanding is that he confessed to the charges.

Acceptance of the pardon was yet a third admission of guilt.

What charges? 

Flynn was easing tensions between Russia and the US after Obama admin placed sanctions on Russia...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 04:54:40 PM
because of a partisan witch hunt

My understanding is that he confessed to the charges.

Acceptance of the pardon was yet a third admission of guilt.

LOL what charges relating to colluding with Russia was he guilty of? That was you know, the purpose of the "investigation". My understanding is that he was guilty of the same thing Jimbo Comey was. Only difference is.....?

Actually, Flynn didnt do the whole leaking classified info thing Comey did, but in terms of getting tripped up while being "interrogated" and then "lying"....only difference is Comey didn't need to decide whether he and his family could afford to drop another $700k defending himself and whether it just made sense to cut a deal...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
"Today, Michael Flynn, a former national security advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI," Cobb said in a statement. "The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi/

This was a good refresher:  it was one count of lying to the FBI.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 05:15:35 PM
Also, John Bolton, in his book (which Trump said was all lies), claims that the White House threw Flynn under the bus.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 03, 2020, 05:26:34 PM
"Today, Michael Flynn, a former national security advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI," Cobb said in a statement. "The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi/

This was a good refresher:  it was one count of lying to the FBI.

The transcripts are best. Flynn was cooling tensions with Russia saying we need to ignore our antics and focus on the war on terror (a common goal).

Sure sounds like a coup attempt   ::)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 03, 2020, 05:34:32 PM
"Today, Michael Flynn, a former national security advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI," Cobb said in a statement. "The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi/

This was a good refresher:  it was one count of lying to the FBI.

The transcripts are best. Flynn was cooling tensions with Russia saying we need to ignore our antics and focus on the war on terror (a common goal).

Sure sounds like a coup attempt   ::)

We are talking about what Flynn was circulating yesterday. Castanza, you are a constitution guy. Do you think the constitution should be suspended? Do you think it is necessary to put the US under military law? Should steps be taken to "silence the destructive media."? Have the "Military supervise a national re-vote?" What country is this?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 03, 2020, 05:54:36 PM
"Today, Michael Flynn, a former national security advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI," Cobb said in a statement. "The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi/

This was a good refresher:  it was one count of lying to the FBI.

The transcripts are best. Flynn was cooling tensions with Russia saying we need to ignore our antics and focus on the war on terror (a common goal).

Sure sounds like a coup attempt   ::)

We are talking about what Flynn was circulating yesterday. Castanza, you are a constitution guy do you. Do you think the constitution should be suspended? Do you think it is necessary to put the US under military law? Should steps be taken to "silence the destructive media."? Have the "Military supervise a national re-vote?" What country is this?

Eric cited an article regarding the FBI ordeal.

I don’t think anyone knows enough at this point. But what I do know is that Flynn is a highly respected general. He has a good track record for upholding his duty and being loyal to his country and his position. Why would Flynn turn? Makes no sense
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 03, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
"Today, Michael Flynn, a former national security advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI," Cobb said in a statement. "The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-the-fbi/

This was a good refresher:  it was one count of lying to the FBI.

The transcripts are best. Flynn was cooling tensions with Russia saying we need to ignore our antics and focus on the war on terror (a common goal).

Sure sounds like a coup attempt   ::)

We are talking about what Flynn was circulating yesterday. Castanza, you are a constitution guy. Do you think the constitution should be suspended? Do you think it is necessary to put the US under military law? Should steps be taken to "silence the destructive media."? Have the "Military supervise a national re-vote?" What country is this?

3rd world with insurmountable problems, apparently.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 09:04:44 PM
Eric cited an article regarding the FBI ordeal.

I posted the article because you asked "what charges".  It was "charge" (as I clarified) and he has TWICE admitted guilt for it, the second admission of guilt being that he accepted a pardon.


Why would Flynn turn? Makes no sense

It has been reported for years that Flynn buys into conspiracy theories.

So does Trump.  Read the remarks from Georgia's Secretary of State about Trump actually believing the conspiracy rumors that are being spread around. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 03, 2020, 09:31:54 PM
Flynn and Powell both appear to be supporters of QAnon, a deep state conspiracy theory that believes that Trump is engaged in a battle to take down a network of Democrats and Hollywood actors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-supporters-will-be-thrilled-critics-appalled/?sh=46bb97f24cf1

Sidney Powell was Flynn's attorney at one point.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 05:13:17 AM
"But what I do know is that Flynn is a highly respected general."

Flynn is a retired one star general - and by 'retired' I believe he was 'retired' he did not choose to retire.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 05:23:43 AM
Flynn and Powell both appear to be supporters of QAnon, a deep state conspiracy theory that believes that Trump is engaged in a battle to take down a network of Democrats and Hollywood actors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-supporters-will-be-thrilled-critics-appalled/?sh=46bb97f24cf1

Sidney Powell was Flynn's attorney at one point.

So the problem isn't that Flynn apparently believes in conspiracy theories. It's that he doesn't believe in the correct ones. If he were to come out and say "Riots in Portland don't exist", "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Asset". "Republicans are coming for the gays!"

Better yet, he could have just been a supported of the entire Russian Investigation for the last four years....

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 05:42:55 AM
“3rd world with insurmountable problems, apparently.”

Well let’s see now.

You have an uncontrolled “Flu” (in your words) that is ravaging the country with a daily death toll in the thousands, causing miles long lineups for food, hospitals overwhelmed, interrupted assembly lines, widespread unemployment and a GDP tumble of 38% in the second quarter.

The former National Security advisor to the President is calling for suspension of the constitution and the implementation of martial law.
 
Apparently the country can’t hold a fair election as the President declares that the election was rigged.
 
Millions of citizens believe the election was ‘fixed’.

You don’t think that resembles a 3rd world country?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 05:50:01 AM
Take a trip to Somalia for me and then when you return you can let me know....

Part of me does hope Trump declares martial law, just so I can see you guys lose your shit. Its so amusing. I'd probably even watch CNN for a few minutes just to hear them ranting and raving.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 06:04:52 AM
"Take a trip to Somalia for me and then when you return you can let me know...."

But I thought that was what you were striving for, you know, a place that has no government at all. They don't have all those inconvenient laws, taxes, regulations and all that other crap some here want to get rid of...

... and best of all they don't have to deal with rigged elections
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 06:14:27 AM
You're the one who's been crying about third world countries. Who said we need to be like Somalia?(besides you?)

Florida, Texas, Nevada....all perfectly fine examples. You're certainly outing yourself as a liar now too...no way in hell a conservative if you are a clear advocate of big government or insinuating that anyone who wants less government interference and in general, smaller government, is an advocate of no government. I mean seriously? WTF is wrong with you? Why lie? You're on an anonymous board! Cant you just be truthful about your beliefs? Its like Eric claiming not to be a liberal and then defending ANTIFA and the most extreme democrats on a regular basis. At least Sanjeev is like, yea I'm a fucking liberal....own it buddy. Be a man.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 06:19:47 AM
Calm down. It is just that some here are so far right they make the center look left wing. Yeah lets suspend the constitution and impose martial law.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
"Take a trip to Somalia for me and then when you return you can let me know...."

But I thought that was what you were striving for, you know, a place that has no government at all. They don't have all those inconvenient laws, taxes, regulations and all that other crap some here want to get rid of...

... and best of all they don't have to deal with rigged elections

Clearly you haven't done any research on Somalia. Just another moronic talking point saying it's a "libertarian" country. Not even close to being comparable.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 06:24:20 AM
"Take a trip to Somalia for me and then when you return you can let me know...."

But I thought that was what you were striving for, you know, a place that has no government at all. They don't have all those inconvenient laws, taxes, regulations and all that other crap some here want to get rid of...

... and best of all they don't have to deal with rigged elections

Clearly you haven't done any research on Somalia. Just another moronic talking point saying it's a "libertarian" country. Not even close to being comparable.

Are you familiar with the term "hyperbole"?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 06:25:10 AM
No really...you are currently advocating for big government. You previously denounce corruption if its a republican and make excuses when its a liberal. You constantly harp on "extreme" right, but make no mention ever of extreme left. You seem totally befuddled by the covid situation. Have repeatedly bashed the US. Buy into every democrat or MSM conspiracy about Trump, but then act outraged when theres a similar thing going around thats conservative centric....How exactly do you identify as a conservative lol? I guess maybe the same way Ellen Page identifies as a man?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 06:41:04 AM

“...make excuses when its a liberal.”
Example?
“You constantly harp on "extreme" right, but make no mention ever of extreme left”
I am not in favor of either.
“You seem totally befuddled by the covid situation.”
As are you. It is nothing like the “flu” The death toll is nothing like the flu and the havoc it is causing is nothing like the flu.
“Have repeatedly bashed the US”
Only Trump’s handling of his role as President
“Buy into every democrat or MSM conspiracy about Trump”
The problem is that Trump has zero credibility because of his constant lies.
“How exactly do you identify as a conservative lol?”
The problem is that your definition of “conservative” appears to be further right than mine.
“I guess maybe the same way Ellen Page identifies as a man? “
Really? You want to bring that up?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 06:47:18 AM
Ha! If we were in court, this is where I'd simply state.....I rest my case. But hey, tell me more about covid since you've gotten it so right this whole time! Bitching and crying changes the world! Tell us about Canadas race issues? Quebec's covid handling? Go on non biased one who's crushed it all around and developed a stellar reputation for prescience calls relating to both world and financial markets everywhere!


Anyhow, I rest my case.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 07:03:52 AM
Race issues, we have them as do you.

Covid in my Province: So far so good, doing very well. Time will tell.

Quebec? We are never sure if it is part of Canada or not. But I will tell you this. It is very hard to control a disease when your next door neighbour does not.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 07:40:22 AM
Flynn and Powell both appear to be supporters of QAnon, a deep state conspiracy theory that believes that Trump is engaged in a battle to take down a network of Democrats and Hollywood actors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-supporters-will-be-thrilled-critics-appalled/?sh=46bb97f24cf1

Sidney Powell was Flynn's attorney at one point.

So the problem isn't that Flynn apparently believes in conspiracy theories. It's that he doesn't believe in the correct ones. If he were to come out and say "Riots in Portland don't exist", "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Asset". "Republicans are coming for the gays!"

Better yet, he could have just been a supported of the entire Russian Investigation for the last four years....

Are you a believer that the Mueller investigation was a conspiracy?

What are your feelings about Robert Mueller?  Was he "turned" in your words?  He has a clean and very highly respected military service record, which is your stated criteria for your defense of Flynn's behavior.  Are you a believer that it was an attempted coup?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 07:53:02 AM
Race issues, we have them as do you.

Covid in my Province: So far so good, doing very well. Time will tell.

Quebec? We are never sure if it is part of Canada or not. But I will tell you this. It is very hard to control a disease when your next door neighbor does not.

Isn't the border closed? Canada from what I understand has pretty strict requirements for quarantining and who can and cannot cross the border. I don't know the data, but at this point can you continue to blame the US for Quebec's issues?

My sister and brother in-law were not allowed to travel here for thanksgiving. Well, technically she was because she is a US citizen, but he was refused at the Canadian border and they ended up turning around. They are located in Ontario and were going to cross in NY. Apparently he would have been allowed to cross if he was flying though, which is quite comical.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 07:59:18 AM
Theres always and excuse and justification for why anything non Trump or lacking any sort of path to becoming even tangentially related to Trump...just so happens to be a non story and something they have an excuse for not being quite so passionate about...clown shows are amusing.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 04, 2020, 08:05:33 AM
Cwericb has zero credibility left IMO.

Just your typical leftist troll trying to make himself in the center and arguing non sense ad infinitum.

Same for Ericopoly, as far left as you make em but, don't touch his money although as past posts clearly indicate.

Bottom line: no point trying to discuss with illogical people who can't even assess themselves properly.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 08:13:34 AM
Yea but Cardboard, what about the Newfoundland RE market!!!!!!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
Yea but Cardboard, what about the Newfoundland RE market!!!!!!

lmfao
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 09:17:37 AM

"How un-American and how undemocratic it is that the actual individuals that are responsible for the process of this most sacred democratic institution of elections are the ones getting the blowback here," said Chris Krebs, the Republican cybersecurity and election security official fired by Trump, at a Washington Post event this week.

Krebs, who also served in the George W. Bush administration, has been maybe the highest-profile Republican official involved in election administration to speak out against Trump's claims.

Fired Official Says Correcting Trump's Fraud Claims The 'Right Thing To Do'
"It was the right thing to do in the name of democracy," Krebs told NPR this week. He led the federal government's efforts over the past three years to improve the country's systems after Russia's attack on the 2016 election.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/04/941284401/as-trumps-election-pressure-campaign-hits-republican-officials-some-hit-back
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 09:58:46 AM
Race issues, we have them as do you.

Covid in my Province: So far so good, doing very well. Time will tell.

Quebec? We are never sure if it is part of Canada or not. But I will tell you this. It is very hard to control a disease when your next door neighbor does not.

Isn't the border closed? Canada from what I understand has pretty strict requirements for quarantining and who can and cannot cross the border. I don't know the data, but at this point can you continue to blame the US for Quebec's issues?

My sister and brother in-law were not allowed to travel here for thanksgiving. Well, technically she was because she is a US citizen, but he was refused at the Canadian border and they ended up turning around. They are located in Ontario and were going to cross in NY. Apparently he would have been allowed to cross if he was flying though, which is quite comical.

About half a million truckers enter Canada monthly. Yes you are correct on the flying bit. Makes no sense to me either.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
Yea but Cardboard, what about the Newfoundland RE market!!!!!!

Who said anything about NFLD?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 10:03:04 AM
Flynn and Powell both appear to be supporters of QAnon, a deep state conspiracy theory that believes that Trump is engaged in a battle to take down a network of Democrats and Hollywood actors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-supporters-will-be-thrilled-critics-appalled/?sh=46bb97f24cf1

Sidney Powell was Flynn's attorney at one point.

So the problem isn't that Flynn apparently believes in conspiracy theories. It's that he doesn't believe in the correct ones. If he were to come out and say "Riots in Portland don't exist", "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Asset". "Republicans are coming for the gays!"

Better yet, he could have just been a supported of the entire Russian Investigation for the last four years....

Are you a believer that the Mueller investigation was a conspiracy?

What are your feelings about Robert Mueller?  Was he "turned" in your words?  He has a clean and very highly respected military service record, which is your stated criteria for your defense of Flynn's behavior.  Are you a believer that it was an attempted coup?

I have no problem with Mueller. He was hired to do a specific job and did it. But I think the investigation was a joke with zero evidence or credence (prior and after). I think it's a fact that democrats were planning an impeachment before Trump was even elected.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 10:14:49 AM
Still, there is fear among experts that the conspiracies about election fraud are becoming more and more mainstream in Republican politics. And that this could become a strategy for Republicans in the future, even after Trump leaves office, if the majority of the party is not willing to condemn it now.

"I'm sure we will have people try to follow that, because you're going to look at the Republican electorate like, 'they think it got stolen, I'm going to appeal to that grievance,' " said Grayson, the Republican former secretary of state of Kentucky. "It just it boggles my mind that these appeals are still being believed with no evidence."

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/04/941284401/as-trumps-election-pressure-campaign-hits-republican-officials-some-hit-back
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 10:23:23 AM
Flynn and Powell both appear to be supporters of QAnon, a deep state conspiracy theory that believes that Trump is engaged in a battle to take down a network of Democrats and Hollywood actors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-supporters-will-be-thrilled-critics-appalled/?sh=46bb97f24cf1

Sidney Powell was Flynn's attorney at one point.

So the problem isn't that Flynn apparently believes in conspiracy theories. It's that he doesn't believe in the correct ones. If he were to come out and say "Riots in Portland don't exist", "Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian Asset". "Republicans are coming for the gays!"

Better yet, he could have just been a supported of the entire Russian Investigation for the last four years....

Are you a believer that the Mueller investigation was a conspiracy?

What are your feelings about Robert Mueller?  Was he "turned" in your words?  He has a clean and very highly respected military service record, which is your stated criteria for your defense of Flynn's behavior.  Are you a believer that it was an attempted coup?

I have no problem with Mueller. He was hired to do a specific job and did it. But I think the investigation was a joke with zero evidence or credence (prior and after). I think it's a fact that democrats were planning an impeachment before Trump was even elected.

There is evidence that they were watching closely.  There is evidence that they believe he is morally corrupt.

Susan Collins said she hopes he learned his lesson.  Hmm, what lesson?  And is she a leftie too?

What did John Kelly say about Trump?  Same as the lefties...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
I do applaud you for your consistency Eric. Over the past 5 years or so you've been relentless in terms of seeking out opinions and occasionally data that condemns those undermining and scrutinizing the outcomes of the elections. Its indeed concerning that for the 2nd time in as many presidential elections we have such issues. You were one of the loudest voices condemning the democrats for the past 4 years, so you, not cwericb, have fully earned the right to criticize republicans now!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
The Deep State is a conspiracy theory Greg.  "witch hunt" is a political talking point.

I have never identified with Trump's base.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 10:42:03 AM
I remember when you posted this

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/


"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," she said to cheers on the Los Angeles stop of her "Evening with the Clintons" tour with her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


Only to have cwericb and Viking shoot you down and claim Hillary conceded gracefully the day after the election and then backed the integrity of it all from there on out!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 10:46:03 AM
Deep state, and conspiracy, hoax or whatever are all just adjectives used by people either trying to discredit or give credit. The crux of it, regardless, involves corruption and abuse of power from those at the highest levels.

Tell me, you have a problem...are you getting a meeting on the tarmac with the AG? Thats "deep state" stuff, or whatever you want to call it...and its certainly real. So is an FBI agent altering data/info and setting in motion a huge national scandal against someone they dislike politically.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
I remember when you posted this

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/


"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," she said to cheers on the Los Angeles stop of her "Evening with the Clintons" tour with her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


Only to have cwericb and Viking shoot you down and claim Hillary conceded gracefully the day after the election and then backed the integrity of it all from there on out!

Want to back that up where I said "Hillary conceded gracefully"?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
I remember when you posted this

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/


"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," she said to cheers on the Los Angeles stop of her "Evening with the Clintons" tour with her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


Only to have cwericb and Viking shoot you down and claim Hillary conceded gracefully the day after the election and then backed the integrity of it all from there on out!

Want to back that up where I said "Hillary conceded gracefully"?

I was being sarcastic. Eric was obviously never objective with any of this. He in fact, just a couple days ago made the claim that Hillary conceded gracefully and that was it....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 10:49:58 AM

Cwericb has zero credibility left IMO.

Just your typical leftist troll trying to make himself in the center and arguing non sense ad infinitum.

Same for Ericopoly, as far left as you make em but, don't touch his money although as past posts clearly indicate.

Bottom line: no point trying to discuss with illogical people who can't even assess themselves properly.

Cardboard
Yea but Cardboard, what about the Newfoundland RE market!!!!!!

It seems to be a trait of some on the Right to deny reality. I had posted on a different thread some facts about the Maritime Canada real estate market benefitting from being reasonably effective fighting Covid.

Cardboard denied the facts and said I was wrong. When I provided proof, typically of Cardboard he continued to deny the facts because it didn’t comply with his illusions.

For just Cardboard’s info:
July 27/20    CTV:Maritime real estate market seeing record sales numbers
Oct 6/20    CTV: Atlantic bubble fuelling red hot Maritime real estate market ...
Oct 23/20    Financial Post: Atlantic Canada’s housing market on fire as buyers from across the country swoop in to snap up homes
Dec01/20    CBC: Booming real estate market reaches rural N.S.
Oct 19/20    Canada’s Hottest Housing Markets: The Maritimes Rule
   Oct /20    Canadian Real Estate Assn: Prince Edward Island home sales remain above average in October. Prices advancing 19.6% from October 2019

And Cardboard flatly denied all of the above because it doesn’t fit with his preconceived ideas. So when someone refuses to accept proven statements they have very questionable credibility.

Furthermore it is laughable for people to throw around insults about credibility and then support Trump who is a compulsive liar.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
I remember when you posted this

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/


"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," she said to cheers on the Los Angeles stop of her "Evening with the Clintons" tour with her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


Only to have cwericb and Viking shoot you down and claim Hillary conceded gracefully the day after the election and then backed the integrity of it all from there on out!

Want to back that up where I said "Hillary conceded gracefully"?

I was being sarcastic. Eric was obviously never objective with any of this.

Okay. Fair enough.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 11:22:40 AM
I remember when you posted this

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/

I searched this board for the term '1116477001' and it shows that you are the only one to make a reference to that particular URL.  Perhaps if you would find this alleged posting we can look at whether I passed a comment on it or merely put it out there for interest of other board members.

Recently on the coronavirs thread somebody inferred that I was advocating full lockdowns because I posted a news article about the results of what happened when Australia tried it.  I actually posted it because you said it would never work in this country.  Australia isn't a communist country, nor does it have an authoritarian regime, it is democratic, and lastly you are right that it wouldn't work here because there is the exception for the religious gatherings.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 11:29:34 AM
It seems sarcasm doesnt translate well online. You never posted that link....That was my point. The democrats behavior for the past 4 years regarding the 2016 election was disgraceful. Ms. Clinton herself has been one of the biggest "it was stolen" theory pushers during that time. During the past 4 years you've been radio silent about all of this, and just last week claimed Clinton gracefully conceded the election the next day and that was it....now though, after the other side is pulling antics, you are up in arms....Thats all I'm pointing out. Clearly not consistent. Even hypocritical not condemning it the past 4 years and now all of a sudden outraged.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 11:40:16 AM
During the past 4 years you've been radio silent about all of this, and just last week claimed Clinton gracefully conceded the election the next day and that was it.

There were very long periods the last 4 years when I wasn't posting at all, due to my divorce.  Once I caught covid-19 and was stuck at home with nothing to do I became interested in the political drama unfolding.  Your complaint largely stems from being inactive on the board.

Hillary didn't sow doubt into the security of the votes themselves, and when they were counted she conceded right away and the transition was orderly.  If she has sour grapes that the Russians interfered it was only confirmed by the Senate bipartisan commission that looked into the claims of Russian interference.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 04, 2020, 11:49:12 AM
^ Hillary conceded and then for the next 4 years offered a million excuses as to why she lost. The only "excuse" she left out, is that she was a horrible
and lazy candidate, that few people liked. But she never relented on the "Russians colluded with Trump" and stole the election. So, yeah, she
"officially" conceded - but the election was always stolen from her.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 04, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_6846-1.jpg)

Stephen K Bannon interviews Mark Finchem... Worth watching!

part 1:  https://youtu.be/YDpNRYlbp5A?t=588

part 2:  https://youtu.be/YDpNRYlbp5A?t=1188

Cheers!

Great clips - thanks for posting!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 11:57:04 AM
^ Hillary conceded and then for the next 4 years offered a million excuses as to why she lost. The only "excuse" she left out, is that she was a horrible
and lazy candidate, that few people liked. But she never relented on the "Russians colluded with Trump" and stole the election. So, yeah, she
"officially" conceded - but the election was always stolen from her.

And she may never stop.  Nobody listens to her, so why should it alarm anyone?

Trump is actually convincing voters that the conspiracy is real.  That's a big problem for Republicans who need voters to show up at the polls.

The Democrats don't have that problem with Hillary.  Nobody gets death threats when she tweets.  She isn't powerful and never will be again.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 04, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
Trump is the only person that is going to keep the Republican Party together. If you think a POS like Mitt Romney is ever going to capture
the population like Trump has done - not going to happen. Everyone knows that Romney and the never-Trumpers like McCain are nothing
but political opportunists that could give 2 shits about the working class.

Trump will be a nightmare for Biden and his administration the next 4 years - and deservedly so. They cheated and they won.

Americans are furious about this election - so don't expect it to go away.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 12:03:28 PM
The conspiracy theory is pretty convincing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)

What is the rebuttal for this video?  It was staged and a fake?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
Meanwhile, here's the kind of hard-hitting, investigative journalism we've come to expect: https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-fart-on-camera-confirmed-by-michigan-state-representative-2020-12 (https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-fart-on-camera-confirmed-by-michigan-state-representative-2020-12)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 12:25:34 PM
The conspiracy theory is pretty convincing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)

What is the rebuttal for this video?  It was staged and a fake?

They will shrug it off and make excuses. I mean they ignored well over a dozen videos of the Pedophile elect groping children in plain sight. They ignored Biden saying blatantly racists things for the past 47 years and decide to champion him as this diversity minded candidate.

Biden's latest - "I'll develop some disease and say I have to resign." - Joe Biden on CNN
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 12:39:51 PM
The conspiracy theory is pretty convincing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)

What is the rebuttal for this video?  It was staged and a fake?

They will shrug it off and make excuses.

Republicans are in charge in Georgia.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 04, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
^ We've seen plenty of gutless Republicans - all led by Mitt Romney of course...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 12:53:31 PM
^ We've seen plenty of gutless Republicans - all led by Mitt Romney of course...

with 5 bone spur deferments too!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 12:55:32 PM
However, he saw his share of the bad bush...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/draft-dodger-trump-said-sleeping-around-was-my-personal-vietnam

In a 1997 interview with shock jock Howard Stern, Trump talked about how he had been “lucky” not to have contracted diseases when he was sleeping around.

“I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era,” Trump said in a video that resurfaced Tuesday on Buzzfeed, “It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 01:10:32 PM
The conspiracy theory is pretty convincing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)

What is the rebuttal for this video?  It was staged and a fake?

It may have been something already investigated.  It may not be.

The Secretary of State in Georgia voted for Trump, and he says he would like to have seen Trump win.  He is the one in charge of the election there, not the Governor.

Oh, and one more thing, he and his wife are getting death threats for not announcing that Trump has won.  And will Republican voters ever elect him to public office in the future if he does not bow to their demands?

But the base believes that if only he had the courage to do so...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
So what is stopping a recount in Georgia with signature matching?  Just Rathensburger.

What is stopping a criminal investigation, oh wait, that's happening.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 01:45:58 PM
So what is stopping a recount in Georgia with signature matching?  Just Rathensburger.

In a statement announcing the recount, the Trump campaign demanded that it include signature matching of absentee ballots, despite repeated explanations from Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office that fulfilling such a request is illegal and impossible.

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/22/937739336/trump-requests-georgia-recount-meaning-5-million-votes-will-be-tabulated-a-3rd-t


Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 01:48:05 PM
POTUS pressuring state election officials to break the law.  It is one thing to ask through his attorney, and quite another to do so on Twitter for theater.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 01:49:09 PM
Its illegal to match signatures? HA. I guess its not surprising anymore. Its racist to ask for IDs too....And there's folks claiming to be concerned about the integrity of the elations.....please.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 04, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
Hey, it was illegal for the Governors and Secretaries to go around the State Legislators too - but they did it anyway.
Kicking out and blocking poll observers from ballot counting is illegal.
Sanctuary cites are illegal, so is entering the United States, not via a Port of Entry, but it's been happening for years.

Shit Obama started the most of this by the wholesale ignoring of Federal Law when he could not get his way with Congress.

Thanks for the shit show Barrack.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 02:08:25 PM
It's interesting that the information is on NPR and Trump told you that NPR is fake news.

The Big Lie.

Separating you from outside information is the mark of a cult leader.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 02:13:11 PM
What is the obsession on the left with having to label everyone? "Cult leader" LOL. You think the election process is great and that things went smoothly and shouldn't be questioned? That the past 2 elections didnt go away after the night of....instead, carried on well after through investigations and rhetoric because neither side trusts it. Well, neither side trusts it unless they win apparently. Then of course its legit and anyone who questions it is in a cult....Seriously, GTFOH

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 02:17:04 PM
What is the obsession on the left with having to label everyone?

Cardboard ties himself in knots over conservative vs leftie.  I think you may dabble in that as well.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 02:21:54 PM
All I know is you and cwericb seem absolutely obsessed with Trump, and also the idea of a cult. And that seems to influence almost everything you bring to the table here. Thats all.

Question the election?

Your answer: which one?

2016

you: never happened, it was accepted graciously

2020

you: Trump and anyone who wants an investigation = CULT!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 03:09:34 PM
All I know is you and cwericb seem absolutely obsessed with Trump, and also the idea of a cult.

I will try to explain why so many see the Trump nation as a cult.

One of the definitions of Cult: a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person

Many of Trump’s followers are so devoted to him that they will believe what he says without question despite his reputation for lying. Even when it is proven that Trump is lying many of his followers still believe him. These are the actions of a cult. Look at the reaction to some of his outrageous claims about the election being 'rigged' that have been proven false or have not been supported by any proof. How many cases were tossed out of court? Look at some of the Republican judges remarks about lack of proof.

Perhaps this better explains it.
“Since the 2016 election, Donald Trump’s behavior has become both more disturbing and yet increasingly familiar. He relies on phrases like, “fake news,” “build the wall,” and continues to spread the divisive mentality of us-vs.-them. He lies constantly, has no conscience, never admits when he is wrong, and projects all of his shortcomings on to others. He has become more authoritarian, more outrageous, and yet many of his followers remain blindly devoted. Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert and a major Trump supporter, calls him one of the most persuasive people living. His need to squash alternate information and his insistence of constant ego stroking are all characteristics of other famous leaders—cult leaders.”

Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 03:30:59 PM
Democrats: You lack proof
Republicans: We would like to inspect the voting machines
Democrats: No, you lack proof
Republicans: We have a video of you cheating
Democrats: You lack proof
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
Democrats: You lack proof
Republicans: We would like to inspect the voting machines
Democrats: No, you lack proof
Republicans: We have a video of you cheating
Democrats: You lack proof

I seem to be missing the problem. You only need two things. First is proof and second is proof of enough fraud, miscounts, or whatever to change the balance of the election.

I sincerely hope that this can all be brought to court and from there the matter should be settled for both sides wouldn't it?

Here is a rundown of the cases so far.

https://www.ft.com/content/20b114b5-5419-493b-9923-a918a2527931

Here is a more current source:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-losing-election-lawsuits-36d113484ac0946fa5f0614deb7de15e
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 05:14:07 PM
Apparently the burden of proof is high in these situations.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 05:17:09 PM
Apparently the burden of proof is high in these situations.

I honestly don't know, but I would think proof is proof.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
LOL according to you guys its not proof unless it comes from CNN. And we all know those networks make sure to only reports the facts!

Otherwise, if there is a witness or a signed affidavit you guys just disparage the source and call the outlet reporting it fringe/far right and then later talk in the same breathe about shooting the messenger. You can see it in the places that will begrudgingly report on this. You'll have some headline similar in style to the way Eric writes, such as "believer in deep state conspiracy perplexes in strange court appearance" which will undoubtedly be accompanied by a picture taken hoping to make said person look as off the wall as possible. Perhaps mid facial expression, or showing sweat, or mid cough....its all very clear to see and narrative/agenda inspired. Then the usual folks turn to these same sources and go "see! no proof! Just crazy cult following conspiracy theories!"....on and on we go.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 05:35:30 PM
^ We've seen plenty of gutless Republicans - all led by Mitt Romney of course...

with 5 bone spur deferments too!

When it comes to military service. Joe Biden is equally as bad. He too was “medically deferred”
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 05:42:57 PM
^ We've seen plenty of gutless Republicans - all led by Mitt Romney of course...

with 5 bone spur deferments too!

When it comes to military service. Joe Biden is equally as bad. He too was “medically deferred”

Was he now? I didnt know that. The usual whining suspects have never mentioned it when the subject comes up. Odd....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 04, 2020, 06:06:11 PM
LOL according to you guys its not proof unless it comes from CNN. And we all know those networks make sure to only reports the facts!

Otherwise, if there is a witness or a signed affidavit you guys just disparage the source and call the outlet reporting it fringe/far right and then later talk in the same breathe about shooting the messenger. You can see it in the places that will begrudgingly report on this. You'll have some headline similar in style to the way Eric writes, such as "believer in deep state conspiracy perplexes in strange court appearance" which will undoubtedly be accompanied by a picture taken hoping to make said person look as off the wall as possible. Perhaps mid facial expression, or showing sweat, or mid cough....its all very clear to see and narrative/agenda inspired. Then the usual folks turn to these same sources and go "see! no proof! Just crazy cult following conspiracy theories!"....on and on we go.

What was that little rant about?

I provided two links for JRM. They were summaries of the COURT CASES regarding the contested election. One by AP and one by the Financial Times of London.  He read them and saw what the present situation is.

What has that to do with CNN? If you disregard the outcomes of the court cases and ignore the judges decisions, well ...
Seems you have closed your mind to anything that doesn't support Trump.

Obviously you are all in favour to shooting the messenger. Sorry to bother you with facts that were contained in those articles.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
^ We've seen plenty of gutless Republicans - all led by Mitt Romney of course...

with 5 bone spur deferments too!

When it comes to military service. Joe Biden is equally as bad. He too was “medically deferred”

Was he now? I didnt know that. The usual whining suspects have never mentioned it when the subject comes up. Odd....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/5809482002/

Yup haha
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 07:49:15 PM
^ We've seen plenty of gutless Republicans - all led by Mitt Romney of course...

with 5 bone spur deferments too!

When it comes to military service. Joe Biden is equally as bad. He too was “medically deferred”

He's not a gutless Republican.  Neither is Romney for that matter.

Did you deflect and switch the topic to gutless Democrats?  Hit a nerve did I?

Perhaps military service is convenient when you want to defend Flynn, but when it's Trump you're left with a conspiracy theorist behaving undemocratically.  Best move was to run away, no fault in self-presevation.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 07:51:00 PM
Apparently the burden of proof is high in these situations.

I honestly don't know, but I would think proof is proof.

I hope this is all resolved by December 14, but I have a feeling it won't be.  Despite all the losses in court, this seems to be gaining traction.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 07:56:29 PM
All I know is you and cwericb seem absolutely obsessed with Trump

He has a serious mental illness.  I have never seen that in a US President in my lifetime.

He's nutters.  "Fake news!"  "Deep state!"  What a freak.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
you: Trump and anyone who wants an investigation = CULT!

I have never labeled Trump a cult leader.  I have labeled him a narcissist.  I have pointed to one of his behaviors today and said that cult leaders do that, and I did so because I don't think you know what a narcissistic personality disorder is.  Perhaps you are familiar with David Koresh though.

Narcissists are expert manipulators, among other things. 

It is not pejorative to say that Trump has NPD.  It is an illness.  Cancer is a different illness and diabetes is another.

Is it pejorative to say a person has diabetes?  Why are you so obsessed with defending it as if it's an insult?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 08:12:07 PM
All I know is you and cwericb seem absolutely obsessed with Trump

He has a serious mental illness.  I have never seen that in a US President in my lifetime.

He's nutters.  "Fake news!"  "Deep state!"  What a freak.

Well you’re about to see it again with Sleepy Joe
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 08:18:27 PM
All I know is you and cwericb seem absolutely obsessed with Trump

He has a serious mental illness.  I have never seen that in a US President in my lifetime.

He's nutters.  "Fake news!"  "Deep state!"  What a freak.

Well you’re about to see it again with Sleepy Joe

Oh my god that was good.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
I believe this has been referenced by many for Trump:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 04, 2020, 08:38:47 PM
The conspiracy theory is pretty convincing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)

What is the rebuttal for this video?  It was staged and a fake?

Finally, the smoking gun!

Now if you ask me, this is obviously the Democrooks committing BIGLY fraud and they must have orchestrated identical affairs in other counties and cities and states. (Probably Obama and Soros schemed this up. Hillary is going to jail this time, I can feel it!)

But juuuust in case, why don’t you humor the less faithful out there and explain to them exactly the ballot tallying process in Georgia, who the individuals in the video are, and show exactly where they screwed up. I can’t wait to prove those damn commie sympathizers wrong!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 04, 2020, 08:40:23 PM
Says everything you need to know.  Per FEC report yesterday Trump's legal efforts post election have cost $8.8m including $2.3m on lawyers.   His fundraising efforts towards the cause have raised $207m.  Ain't nuthin  but a grift. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 11:25:14 PM
Oh no you didn't!

Judge Orders Trump Administration To Restore DACA As It Existed Under Obama

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/04/943355234/judge-orders-trump-administration-to-restore-daca-as-it-existed-under-obama

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 04, 2020, 11:42:24 PM
An army of nannies is cleaning up the mess:

Vice President Mike Pence Warns at Georgia Rally: ‘If You Don’t Vote, They Win’

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/04/vice-president-mike-pence-warns-at-georgia-rally-if-you-dont-vote-they-win/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 05, 2020, 02:20:29 AM
Talking about mental issues:

"Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Hmm, re-electing continually Democrats and complaining when tax bill is high.

Probably should have learned also a few things from narcissist Donny such as a prenup.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 05, 2020, 03:59:45 AM
The conspiracy theory is pretty convincing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)

What is the rebuttal for this video?  It was staged and a fake?

Finally, the smoking gun!

Now if you ask me, this is obviously the Democrooks committing BIGLY fraud and they must have orchestrated identical affairs in other counties and cities and states. (Probably Obama and Soros schemed this up. Hillary is going to jail this time, I can feel it!)

But juuuust in case, why don’t you humor the less faithful out there and explain to them exactly the ballot tallying process in Georgia, who the individuals in the video are, and show exactly where they screwed up. I can’t wait to prove those damn commie sympathizers wrong!

So you don't have a rebuttal then?

Either the video is real or its fake.  Wouldn't a reasonable person want an investigation?  Nothing but crickets from the media.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 06:32:46 AM
Talking about mental issues:

If you continue to stalk me, we'll need to sit you down for that conversation.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 05, 2020, 06:42:06 AM
All I know is you and cwericb seem absolutely obsessed with Trump

He has a serious mental illness.  I have never seen that in a US President in my lifetime.

He's nutters.  "Fake news!"  "Deep state!"  What a freak.

Just FYI, the following mental issues would seem to describe Donald Trump very well.

Narcissist
Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Sociopath
A sociopath is a term used to describe someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can’t understand others’ feelings. They’ll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause.

Paranoid
Symptoms of paranoia and delusional disorders include intense and irrational mistrust or suspicion, which can bring on sense of fear, anger, and betrayal. Some identifiable beliefs and behaviors of individuals with symptoms of paranoia include mistrust, hypervigilence, difficulty with forgiveness, defensive attitude in response to imagined criticism, preoccupation with hidden motives, fear of being deceived or taken advantage of, inability to relax, or are argumentative.

The man has undeniable mental issues and those are just the obvious ones.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 07:22:10 AM
LOL another day that the obsession continues....God Bless
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 07:27:29 AM
LOL another day that the obsession continues....God Bless

They hate me!  They just hate me!

It's all redirection, appealing to your bias and your sympathy.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 07:29:24 AM
I think its fairly clear at this point who's paying the most attention to Trump....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 07:37:56 AM
I think its fairly clear at this point who's paying the most attention to Trump....

Quite obviously not the ones with a defensive bias. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 05, 2020, 07:45:12 AM
LOL another day that the obsession continues....God Bless

And you think Trump doesn't have mental issues? That the above definitions don't apply to him? Oh well.

Is that like your rant after I provided links to the outcome of Trump's legal battles to date? Now you're questioning the Court's decisions as well?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 07:48:03 AM
"Russia and China have to be laughing, smiling from ear to ear. "

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/12/03/romney-trumps-election-fraud-claims-damaging-america-biden-will-be-president-january-20/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 08:18:40 AM
LOL another day that the obsession continues....God Bless

And you think Trump doesn't have mental issues? That the above definitions don't apply to him? Oh well.

Is that like your rant after I provided links to the outcome of Trump's legal battles to date? Now you're questioning the Court's decisions as well?

I stated my opinion first week of November that the election was over. Biden will be President. You guys are the ones still yapping on....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 08:20:29 AM
LOL another day that the obsession continues....God Bless

And you think Trump doesn't have mental issues? That the above definitions don't apply to him? Oh well.

Is that like your rant after I provided links to the outcome of Trump's legal battles to date? Now you're questioning the Court's decisions as well?

I stated my opinion first week of November that the election was over. Biden will be President. You guys are the ones still yapping on....

You don't make the rules Greg.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 05, 2020, 09:13:22 AM


LOL another day that the obsession continues....God Bless

And you think Trump doesn't have mental issues? That the above definitions don't apply to him? Oh well.

Is that like your rant after I provided links to the outcome of Trump's legal battles to date? Now you're questioning the Court's decisions as well?


I stated my opinion first week of November that the election was over. Biden will be President. You guys are the ones still yapping on....

That's fair enough, but don't take all the posts personally. There are still a number of people here that are questioning the election results. I have been simply trying to show how Trumps lies have been thrown out of court or don't even make it into court and why his mental issues make it so difficult for him to admit defeat. Because of that he resorts to lies - unfortunately many people tend to believe what the President of the United States says. He was a very poor choice for a president even though a many felt he was the only alternative.

On another matter, you keep calling me out as a 'lefty' and not a conservative. After giving this some thought I am beginning to think you may be right - from your perspective. Canada is much more left leaning than the US. So it would seem that someone being a moderate conservative in Canada might well be judged as being on the left in the U.S.

While I am not a socialist - it takes away incentive -  I think Canada has a reasonable balance in social programs while the US is far behind modern times. For instance, the US is the only advanced economy in the world without full health coverage of its population and one of only two countries in the world without paid maternity leave. Issues like this likely explain why the US has fewer physicians, hospital beds, and psychiatric care beds than most other economically advanced countries. The results of this show up in the fact that not only is child mortality higher in the US than any other advanced economy, but in many American counties, especially in the deep South, life expectancy is lower than in Algeria, Nicaragua or Bangladesh.

My point is that Trump’s war on ‘leftist’ social issues such as health care is fundamentally flawed and outdated in modern society..

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 05, 2020, 10:23:19 AM

So you don't have a rebuttal then?

Either the video is real or its fake.  Wouldn't a reasonable person want an investigation?  Nothing but crickets from the media.

I must have caused you some confusion.

I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of the video. It appears to be taken from some ballot counting office, and I don’t yet think so lowly of the republican apparatus to think they would doctor videos to present in court (despite a history of doing so outside of court e.g. project veritas).

Now that we are operating under the assumption that the video is “real”, let me ask you:

What should be investigated? What crime have we witnessed, for which you ask for a rebuttal?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 05, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
"My point is that Trump’s war on ‘leftist’ social issues such as health care is fundamentally flawed and outdated in modern society.. "

Spoken like a true socialist which you truly are and incapable to recognize that government administered health truly means garbage for everyone due to corruption, unions, lack of development, no desire to improve, lack of competition.

Don't even try to blame it on Canada: you have nothing in common with Conservatives.

Cardboard

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
'liberalism' and 'conservatism' are black and white ideals.

Those who wish government to keep out of our personal lives strive to tell us who we can marry.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 05, 2020, 02:01:07 PM
"Russia and China have to be laughing, smiling from ear to ear. "

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/12/03/romney-trumps-election-fraud-claims-damaging-america-biden-will-be-president-january-20/

Says the loser that can't stand Trump. POS Romney is irrelevant in Republican politics. The country will never get behind this global opportunist.

China and Russia have to be ecstatic at the coming Biden Presidency - more payoffs for China, Hunter gets to keep his cash, and Putin gets rid of
a huge thorn in his side with Trump stepping down.  They must be dancing in the streets in Iran.

Just like the good old days of "pay-to-play" DC politics and influence peddling with John Kerry/Hillary/Biden.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 02:02:00 PM
'liberalism' and 'conservatism' are black and white ideals.

Those who wish government to keep out of our personal lives strive to tell us who we can marry.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/3375059/Barack-Obama-marriage-is-between-a-man-and-a-woman.html

Pretty sure those who oppose government in our personal lives oppose this unequivocally...you can sleep with, live with, associate with, whoever you want. Once you start asking for benefits from this...then you're making it a political issue.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 05, 2020, 02:10:25 PM

"My point is that Trump’s war on ‘leftist’ social issues such as health care is fundamentally flawed and outdated in modern society.. "

Spoken like a true socialist which you truly are and incapable to recognize that government administered health truly means garbage for everyone due to corruption, unions, lack of development, no desire to improve, lack of competition.

Don't even try to blame it on Canada: you have nothing in common with Conservatives.

Cardboard

Still stuck in the 1800's? Not surprising, considering your recent inability to accept reality when proven wrong.

Probably explains why you don’t to see the connection between the fact that the US is the only advanced economy in the world without full health coverage of its population and the fact that the US has less physicians and hospital beds than most other developed countries, that they have the highest child mortality rate of any advanced economy and in general Americans have lower life expectancy.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 02:42:35 PM
Once you start asking for benefits from this...then you're making it a political issue.

I stand by my point then.

A political fight erupts from the 'conservatives' when the gays want their marriage too.

The liberals aren't the ones still telling them who they can marry.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Marriage in the US is much more akin to a business transaction than anything else. Right on down to the dissolution, which most often occurs no different than an LLC would....If you "need" a title, like marriage....you invite the government in unfortunately. Even in terms of simply "registering" with the town clerk....However that is not stopping someone from being with whomever they wish. If one wants true freedom, they need to stop expecting government given or government enforced benefits. The notion that anyone is telling you who you can be with though, is entirely wrong. Unless you are contesting that you won't be with something unless you get some sort of other benefit from it; in which case, are you really in it for the right reasons? Its similar to the folks who get married to game the citizenship issue..

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 03:40:05 PM
The notion that anyone is telling you who you can be with though, is entirely wrong.

Let's stick to the topic of marriage.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 03:50:21 PM
The notion that anyone is telling you who you can be with though, is entirely wrong.

Let's stick to the topic of marriage.

Why? Marriage itself is a social construct that as a whole, doesnt strike me as making a lot of sense. People can make commitments to another person, why do we need all sorts of documents and rules governing it? On one part, its highly religious in nature, the other, government derived. Kind of the antithesis of what its proponents claim to be all about.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 04:09:53 PM
Saying "yeah, but they only oppose it because it would cost money because of benefits"

is logically equivalent to passing the following two bills concurrently:

bill #1.   Gay marriage is passed
bill #2.   Gay marriages will be denied the same financial benefits that hetero marriages enjoy

but y'all get pissed when you're called out for discriminating against gays, which is exactly what is going on if you claim the objections are only financial.  pick your poison.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 04:16:52 PM
Who said that? I didn't. All I said is that no one can stop anyone from being with who they want to be with. If you change the equation now to, I want to have my cake and eat it too, which is what you get into when you start relying on people to give you things(benefits) or formal approvals/acknowledges(registering as "married")....well then I dont know what to tell you. You start running into issues of those people who you need acceptance from, well, not accepting...and really thats totally avoidable except for the fact that apparently YOU NEED THEM to approve of you...which does kind of infringe upon their own little circle of whatever you want to call it...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 04:32:15 PM
Who said that?

Once you start asking for benefits from this...then you're making it a political issue.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 04:35:14 PM
Thats not saying anything, thats pointing out the flaws in your logic. Do you want to be with someone, or do you want something from someone else(namely/ a third party)?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 04:42:27 PM
Thats not saying anything, thats pointing out the flaws in your logic. Do you want to be with someone, or do you want something from someone else(namely/ a third party)?

Are you claiming to have married your wife because you wanted something from someone else and not because you loved her?

You know, this discussion has made me change my view on something else.  What is the conservative moral view on sex out of wedlock?  Aren't they making it a virtual requirement for gays who are left no alternative but celibacy?  That's legislating 'IMMORALITY', not 'MORALITY'.  I had it all backwards for so long.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
LOL Sex out of wedlock is another bs societal construct as well. Almost entirely the byproduct of religion gone mainstream. Not a fan of it either.

And FWIW, I love my wife. We got married, and in a church at that, because it was important to her(well, more specifically, her family), not me. I didnt care, she did. So she got what she wanted. Which is typically how it works.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 04:50:28 PM
And if you got married because you wanted something from someone else, doesn't that make you a 'liberal' with your hand out?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 04:52:02 PM
And FWIW, I love my wife. We got married

I believe you, me too, and I believe the gays need that too, and not because they have their hand out.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 05, 2020, 05:17:06 PM
I just think the government(and religiously motivated orgs) need to get the fuck out of all this stuff. Let society decide. Society eventually gets things right, often before the establishments. If you want birth control coverage, chic fil a probably aint the right place for you. But for every chic fil a, theres a Starbucks. The extreme is called cancel culture, but a more reasonable version of this could be described as (cancel culture x darwinism x capitalism) effectively ensures that over time, things end up the way they should. If folks disagree with individual policy, they vote with their dollars. Eventually the feasible survive and the outdated or unacceptable (both people and businesses) perish. This in theory should be even easier to implement given the wide ranging autonomy that states "should" be able to have. Essentially 50 different variously tinkered experiments going on at once.

Side note, one of my best friends since grade school got married a few years ago. To a wonderful Chinese girl and the largest motivation was her visa was expiring that year. They do happen to be liberals. But IDK, sometimes people just do what works for them. Thats fine. But intrinsically, they wanted something(benefit) which was their motivation for getting married. Ironically in this instance, being together was stipulated on the girl being here, so its different from wanting wanting a tax break or something, but every situation is different. The crux IMO is people being free to make their own decisions. If I had to get on anything, I think the notion that many things are "tied" to being married, is preposterous, including citizenship. Marriage is important why? So the government has an official tracker/database of who's associated with who? What assets to steal when someone dies? Who to hit up for more taxes?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 05, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
Side note, one of my best friends since grade school got married a few years ago. To a wonderful Chinese girl and the largest motivation was her visa was expiring that year.

Now that she's a US citizen, if she goes back to China (alone or together) then they'll both have to pay US taxes for the rest of their lives, which is just the US mooching off of them for giving them nothing in return.

And because the Republicans under Dubya added an "exit tax", if she/they tries to renounce her/their US citizenship she/they will be hit with capital gains on all of their appreciated assets even if they have no sold thm.

Not quite as bad as shooting defectors, to be sure.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 06, 2020, 03:31:09 AM
Seems to me like Georgia and Wisconsin will revert back to Trump.

Fraud in Georgia is highly probable based on video and 10,000's of ballots that should have not been accepted for various reasons.

Wisconsin has clear laws regarding absentee ballots and it was broken. State legislators will have to follow their own law.

The more this becomes mainstream the more affidavits and witnesses will come out with evidence of manipulation in other States as fear of reprisal diminishes.

Folks who believe this is over are dead wrong. This will go on at very least until inauguration and quite possibly beyond.

If you are gullible enough to believe message from MSM that it is all over then you will miss another black swan or just like Coronavirus was.

The true information on Covid on this board came from Muscleman who reported incredible findings straight out of Wuhan which seemed crazy to most of us.

I didn't believe him either on many things he reported but, it turned out it was real and I should have paid a lot more attention.

Here we have a law and Constitutional crisis brewing that even if you don't believe that, the runoff vote in Georgia on January 5 is crucial to balance of power in Washington.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 07:23:09 AM
Wisconsin has clear laws regarding absentee ballots and it was broken. State legislators will have to follow their own law.
Cardboard

The commission’s public information officer, Reid Magney, said this guidance has been in place since October 2016 and was brought forward that year by Republicans on the commission. Indeed, an Oct. 18, 2016 memo states that clerks are required to “take corrective actions in an attempt to remedy a witness address error.”

“The guidance has been in effect for 11 statewide elections, including the 2016 presidential and presidential recount, and no one has objected to it until now,” he said.



https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/11/11/fact-check-republicans-claim-wisconsin-clerks-illegally-altered-ballots/6234023002/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Spekulatius on December 06, 2020, 07:27:04 AM
Wisconsin’ election results are Certified, so the hurdle to overturn the results is extremely high.
Rudy Guilani needs to be doing more than release hot air through is butthole to get anything overturned.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 06, 2020, 07:42:09 AM
I believe that you leftists from East and West coasts will be disappointed.

Momentum is changing within population of these swing States who are quite willing to accept majority results as long as it is not tampered with.

In Wisconsin public outrage is growing. In Georgia, 58% of population want a special session and 53% believe that results were improper.

Should I remind people that Georgia was apparently won by Biden? So if 58% demand a special session then it must include a good chunk of people who voted Democrats.

Governor is also up for re-election in 2 years and how he behaves will determine his political future. It is not about favoring Trump but, doing the right audits and things in the eye of electors.

The problem with people like you is that you will not change your mind despite being presented with any form of evidence.

I mean, any logical human being would question why a truckload full of ballots would be carried from Long Island to anywhere outside the State of New York and even less to Pennsylvania. This is absurd and should be looked into.

Same with this video in Georgia, how do you explain such blatant change of procedure? Once you have provided strong debunking arguments instead of just dismissing out of hand such thing that we will regain confidence in the election process.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 07:51:33 AM
I believe that you leftists

I can't be a leftist because in your example I opposed a tax increase.

You can't have it both ways silly.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 06, 2020, 07:57:31 AM
Winning is everything for these losers. When you have DNC leadership, like Adam Schiff/Pelosi/Fatboy Nadler - cheating is perfectly ok.
It always comes down to "prove it!".  Schiff/Nadler's roles in extending hoaxes upon the country sealed the deal for the DNC.
With no retribution from the Justice Department or Congress - it became perfectly acceptable to cheat/violate the election laws
and do anything to win.  Because now the answer is "you don't have enough time" or "prove it". Public opinion be damned.

You only needed 1 single anonymous whistle blower claim by some low level low life to start an impeachment hoax against the President,
all the way cheered on and protected by the DNC - putting the country through hell.

But when the shoe is on the other foot, and you have hundreds of known whistleblowers signing affidavits of election fraud, the DNC
demonizes them and dox them - and we must move on.

IF Trump is able to overturn election results in a state or two - it will be a great thing for moving us to election integrity.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 06, 2020, 08:09:25 AM

“I believe that you leftists from East and West coasts will be disappointed.”  “The problem with people like you is that you will not change your mind despite being presented with any form of evidence.”

And Don Quixote rides again citing evidence that is not there.

"In the federal case, a judge hearing a separate lawsuit seeking to overturn Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s win in Wisconsin said Trump’s request to “remand” the case to the GOP-controlled Legislature to pick new electors was “bizarre.” "
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 06, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
Wisconsin’ election results are Certified, so the hurdle to overturn the results is extremely high.
Rudy Guilani needs to be doing more than release hot air through is butthole to get anything overturned.

Can we queue up the Papa John Schnatter "Stay Tuned" video?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 10:54:47 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9021169/Matthew-McConaughey-Russell-Brand-blast-illiberal-far-left-patronizing-conservatives.html

Great stuff. Both pretty level headed guys in terms of their political views, perhaps even quite liberal....blasting the left. Too funny. Absolutely right about the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 11:34:16 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9021169/Matthew-McConaughey-Russell-Brand-blast-illiberal-far-left-patronizing-conservatives.html

Great stuff. Both pretty level headed guys in terms of their political views, perhaps even quite liberal....blasting the left. Too funny. Absolutely right about the hypocrisy.

Uh oh, a liberal Hollywood celebrity is cited when you agree!  Look who is hypocritical now!  LOL.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
McConaughey is a centrist who claims to be a liberal only so that he can keep working. If you've followed him over the years I dont know how you refer to him as a " liberal Hollywood" guy. I assume you haven't. Great actor and very thoughtful dude. Very grounded. Kyle Chandler too is another good one. Never really been a fan of Russell Brand though.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 11:59:52 AM
I don't give a personal crap Greg, I was making light of that type of argument.  All these arguments of "you can't do that because..." are ridiculous.  Mitch McConnell said his constitutional duty is to bring the President's nominees to a vote, conveniently did not do so for Merrick Garland, but then later bitches about court packing.

Hypocrisy is everywhere.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 06, 2020, 12:00:59 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-allows-forensic-audit-dominion-voting-machines-michigan (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-allows-forensic-audit-dominion-voting-machines-michigan)

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 12:20:09 PM
Those who thinks the Deplorables will let Biden steal this election.

https://twitter.com/csevaluation/status/1335526734414950400 (senate... Trump-rally at Georgia)

A true patriot. He's done in office and his political career is probably over(although I'd probably expect him to run in 2024, especially if Republicans do well in 2022) and he's out campaigning to keep to scummers from taking control of the senate despite nothing really being in it for him. Kinda destroys all those "he's only in it for himself" narratives. Although I'm sure we'll hear some conspiracy theories from the usual suspects.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 12:24:53 PM
I don't give a personal crap Greg, I was making light of that type of argument.  All these arguments of "you can't do that because..." are ridiculous.  Mitch McConnell said his constitutional duty is to bring the President's nominees to a vote, conveniently did not do so for Merrick Garland, but then later bitches about court packing.

Hypocrisy is everywhere.

Thats fine, but its an ultra lazy, giveaway that your approach is "I just want to argue". It would be like calling Jeremy Lin or George Parros some derivative of the the typical "stupid athlete" narrative. One, even half assed effort to investigate what was said, would show you that isn't even remotely the case. Same for implying McConaughey is "liberal Hollywood"...oh well.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 12:31:08 PM
I don't give a personal crap Greg, I was making light of that type of argument.  All these arguments of "you can't do that because..." are ridiculous.  Mitch McConnell said his constitutional duty is to bring the President's nominees to a vote, conveniently did not do so for Merrick Garland, but then later bitches about court packing.

Hypocrisy is everywhere.

Thats fine, but its an ultra lazy, giveaway that your approach is "I just want to argue".

It was an indirect way (to avoid direct confrontation) to point out that you pick and choose and make rules for others that you don't yourself follow.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 12:35:26 PM
Except it was a poor example and that isn't true lol.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 01:26:10 PM
perhaps even quite liberal....

If you've followed him over the years I dont know how you refer to him as a " liberal Hollywood" guy.

your approach is "I just want to argue".
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 06, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
"It was an indirect way (to avoid direct confrontation) to point out that you pick and choose and make rules for others that you don't yourself follow."

I thought this was your way of doing things based on past personal posts vs the thousands of posts where you push a certain agenda.

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 06, 2020, 01:28:00 PM
Those who thinks the Deplorables will let Biden steal this election.

https://twitter.com/csevaluation/status/1335526734414950400 (senate... Trump-rally at Georgia)

A true patriot. He's done in office and his political career is probably over(although I'd probably expect him to run in 2024, especially if Republicans do well in 2022) and he's out campaigning to keep to scummers from taking control of the senate despite nothing really being in it for him. Kinda destroys all those "he's only in it for himself" narratives. Although I'm sure we'll hear some conspiracy theories from the usual suspects.

Kinda destroys all those "he's only in it for himself" narratives.

This is such a great point and worth thinking about. All those that say he doesn't love this country have no answer for this.
This is why the man was elected. He's not going away, and will be a force to be reckoned with for the next 4 years.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cardboard on December 06, 2020, 01:31:30 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-allows-forensic-audit-dominion-voting-machines-michigan

Where are the statements now mentioning that they never win anything in court, no evidence, nothing to see here?

Cardboard
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 02:02:10 PM
Saying "yeah, but they only oppose it because it would cost money because of benefits"

is logically equivalent to passing the following two bills concurrently:

bill #1.   Gay marriage is passed
bill #2.   Gay marriages will be denied the same financial benefits that hetero marriages enjoy

but y'all get pissed when you're called out for discriminating against gays, which is exactly what is going on if you claim the objections are only financial.  pick your poison.

Who said that? I didn't. All I said is that no one can stop anyone from being with who they want to be with. If you change the equation now to, I want to have my cake and eat it too, which is what you get into when you start relying on people to give you things(benefits) or formal approvals/acknowledges(registering as "married")....well then I dont know what to tell you. You start running into issues of those people who you need acceptance from, well, not accepting...and really thats totally avoidable except for the fact that apparently YOU NEED THEM to approve of you...which does kind of infringe upon their own little circle of whatever you want to call it...

Who said that?   I didn’t.

Once you start asking for benefits from this...then you're making it a political issue.


Thats not saying anything, thats pointing out the flaws in your logic. Do you want to be with someone, or do you want something from someone else(namely/ a third party)?

We got married, and in a church at that, because it was important to her(well, more specifically, her family), not me. I didnt care, she did. So she got what she wanted. Which is typically how it works.

your approach is "I just want to argue".
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 02:07:24 PM
I still dont get what your point is? Its evident you just want to argue, I mean even when I just let it be you cant handle it and keep coming back like you just did.

You consistently refuse to give a straight answer or define what it is you're even arguing about. I mean, are you arguing people cant be with who they want to be? Which was what your original complaint suggested, or are you suggesting tangential benefits should be imposed upon third parties? Are you arguing McConaughey is "liberal Hollywood" or not? Because then you change the subject and start bizarrely pivoting to the Supreme Court.

There's not much consistency and I think its clear what the objective is Eric. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 06, 2020, 02:11:15 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-allows-forensic-audit-dominion-voting-machines-michigan

Where are the statements now mentioning that they never win anything in court, no evidence, nothing to see here?

Cardboard

Apparently this review was ordered following anomalous results of a marijuana ballot initiative.  The Giullini team is taking a victory lap, but ironically it doesn't look like it had to do with their lawsuit.  They're more worried about getting high than a legitimate presidential election.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
Attacking the other person is usually not a sign that your intentions are innocent:

Its evident you just want to argue,
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
Are you arguing McConaughey is "liberal Hollywood" or not?

No Greg, that wasn't me

perhaps even quite liberal....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 06, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
LOL you're just proving the point. He describes himself as liberal on many issues...again, what are you attempting to say Eric? Do you not know the difference between a moderate/liberal and a "Hollywood liberal"? Did you imply something that you didnt mean too? Did you misspeak? What are you even saying? If you clarify, then maybe I can help inform you.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 03:25:12 PM
LOL you're just proving the point. He describes himself as liberal on many issues...again, what are you attempting to say Eric? Do you not know the difference between a moderate/liberal and a "Hollywood liberal"? Did you imply something that you didnt mean too? Did you misspeak? What are you even saying? If you clarify, then maybe I can help inform you.

Never has so much been made over a gentle ribbing Greg.  Try not to get so riled.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 06, 2020, 03:33:10 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-allows-forensic-audit-dominion-voting-machines-michigan

Where are the statements now mentioning that they never win anything in court, no evidence, nothing to see here?

Cardboard

Apparently this review was ordered following anomalous results of a marijuana ballot initiative.  The Giullini team is taking a victory lap, but ironically it doesn't look like it had to do with their lawsuit.  They're more worried about getting high than a legitimate presidential election.

"anomalous results" = stoners finally able to vote from their couch.

Imagine if we ever figure out online voting. Politicians may have to actually consider the youth vote.

Also JRM, I am still awaiting (eagerly, I assure you) a response to my post here:
https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/president-biden/msg441012/#msg441012

 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 06, 2020, 04:34:39 PM
Giuliani tests positive for Covid-19...Mr. maskless, don't believe the science, Trump is right...is in hospital!  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-positive/index.html

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 06, 2020, 04:44:01 PM
Giuliani tests positive for Covid-19...Mr. maskless, don't believe the science, Trump is right...is in hospital!  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-positive/index.html

The real question is how is it possible he hadn't caught it until now?

I hear they took him to Walter Reed Plumbing Supplies.  Trump might need to hire Sidney Powell back to ensure strong, capable leadership of the legal process.   
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 06, 2020, 04:55:12 PM
Giuliani tests positive for Covid-19...Mr. maskless, don't believe the science, Trump is right...is in hospital!  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-positive/index.html

The real question is how is it possible he hadn't caught it until now?

I hear they took him to Walter Reed Plumbing Supplies.  Trump might need to hire Sidney Powell back to ensure strong, capable leadership of the legal process.

Well, his hands were always in the crotch area of his pants, so he never touched his face.  This is known in Trump's science terminology as "masking your hands".  A well-known and thoroughly effective way of preventing Covid-19 infections when entertaining underage girls posing as journalists in your hotel room.

Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 06, 2020, 05:17:16 PM
"What should be investigated? What crime have we witnessed, for which you ask for a rebuttal?"

Sorry, I didn't think these questions warranted a response.  You're free to see whatever you want to see on the video.

Some people here have a very strong desire to "be right" at all costs.  Again, what evidence would it take to change your mind?  I'm not sure it will ever exist in a scenario where the election is rigged.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 06, 2020, 06:07:22 PM
I hear they took him to Walter Reed Plumbing Supplies. 

First, that joke killed it! Hahhahhah

I hope Giuliani pulls though and without requiring the steroid that they gave to Trump or we haven't seen nuthin' yet.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 06, 2020, 06:19:56 PM
I guess you didn’t care to research Georgia ballot counting procedures nor try and identify the individuals in the video to attempt to demonstrate whether fraud actually occurred or not. Another trolling, low effort post I’m afraid.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 06, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
"What should be investigated? What crime have we witnessed, for which you ask for a rebuttal?"

Sorry, I didn't think these questions warranted a response.  You're free to see whatever you want to see on the video.

Some people here have a very strong desire to "be right" at all costs.  Again, what evidence would it take to change your mind?  I'm not sure it will ever exist in a scenario where the election is rigged.

The Republican in charge of voting in Georgia says there is nothing wrong or even unusual happening in the video. https://twitter.com/gabrielsterling/status/1334825233610633217?s=21

You are choosing to believe in a fantasy. Why?

Look at the legal team pushing this nonsense. Absolutes jokes. Four Seasons Landscaping. Hair dye running down his face. Farting on TV.  And that’s putting aside the atrocious record they’ve had in the courts. What is it? 1/40?  Don’t you think if there were a good argument to be made for widespread voter fraud, the legal team wouldn’t be so f*cking terrible?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 07, 2020, 04:41:24 AM
haha, everything's ok.  nothing to see here folks.  it looks to me like they're following the rules; rules that I just changed with Stacey Abrams and Gov Kemp without following the legal constitutional process.  debunked! -Brad Raffensberger

A 10,000 vote win in Georgia and they're not willing to throw out ballots from dead voters, illegal out of state voters, under age voters, etc. 

Georgia should have been an easy win for Trump regardless of the fraudulent mail-in ballot process simply by tossing out blatantly illegal ballots. 

Congrats guys, you did it.  It looks like you won Georgia.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 07, 2020, 05:57:58 AM
You are choosing to believe in a fantasy. Why?


https://fs.blog/great-talks/psychology-human-misjudgment/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 07, 2020, 07:12:07 AM
You are choosing to believe in a fantasy. Why?


https://fs.blog/great-talks/psychology-human-misjudgment/

In Georgia

- 2,056 felons voted illegally
- 66,248 under 18 voted
- 2,423 weren't registered
- 1,043 used a PO Box to register
- 10,315 died before the election
- 395 voted in two states
- 15,700 moved out of GA
- 40,279 changed county & didn't re-register to vote

I think you should say "psychology of human misjudgment" one more time. But this time go stand in front of a mirror. If the above numbers are correct, then any rational person should come to a certain conclusion.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 07, 2020, 07:23:04 AM
You can continue to live your life and dismiss Trump appointed federalist society judges, Republican Governors and SoS like Kemp/Ratffensperger, physicians like Fauci, etc etc and believe the likes of Trump/Giuliani and what they say in their PR events, while saying the opposite inside the court of law.

Lawyers, judges, doctors, scientists, governors, election officials, Dept of Justice, FBI, etc all are out to get you.

Just make your check out to Donald J Trump legal defense fund and don’t be surprised if you find one day that the world has left you behind.

Carry on.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on December 07, 2020, 07:25:41 AM
You can continue to live your life and dismiss Trump appointed federalist society judges, Republican Governors and SoS like Kemp/Ratffensperger, physicians like Fauci, etc etc and believe the likes of Trump/Giuliani and what they say in their PR events, while saying the opposite inside the court of law.

Lawyers, judges, doctors, scientists, governors, election officials, Dept of Justice, FBI, etc all are out to get you.

Just make your check out to Donald J Trump legal defense fund and don’t be surprised if you find one day that the world has left you behind.

Carry on.

https://fs.blog/great-talks/psychology-human-misjudgment/

Carry on.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 07, 2020, 07:58:06 AM
You are choosing to believe in a fantasy. Why?


https://fs.blog/great-talks/psychology-human-misjudgment/

In Georgia

- 2,056 felons voted illegally
- 66,248 under 18 voted
- 2,423 weren't registered
- 1,043 used a PO Box to register
- 10,315 died before the election
- 395 voted in two states
- 15,700 moved out of GA
- 40,279 changed county & didn't re-register to vote

I think you should say "psychology of human misjudgment" one more time. But this time go stand in front of a mirror. If the above numbers are correct, then any rational person should come to a certain conclusion.

- 0 times any of these held up in court
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 07:59:59 AM
Georgia elections officials will recertify the results of the 2020 election after conducting a second recount and determining that Joe Biden has won the state. It is the third time Mr Biden has been named the victor of the state since 3 November.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, said "we have now counted legally cast ballots three times, and the results remain unchanged."

https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-certify-biden-victory-two-153105752.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAIs-0XfvqEF8Qm4bx7WERYovxEk7oh4e7MXUwPpBeUGjgZ-RfMItfczWqFGQCGl9aUuc-r_g7uh6C7o4m-WlXc5qyUG-3x-v7eQ4aYJS3vxhMRRNPT4LikxyuqtDQNvHpU5GAnygqWJI68zhpUJERshsjRi5SakK8cyFimtUvVH
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 08:02:43 AM
The best conspiracy theory of 2020 will go down as the Republicans stealing Georgia's election from themselves.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 07, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
You are choosing to believe in a fantasy. Why?


https://fs.blog/great-talks/psychology-human-misjudgment/

In Georgia

- 2,056 felons voted illegally
- 66,248 under 18 voted
- 2,423 weren't registered
- 1,043 used a PO Box to register
- 10,315 died before the election
- 395 voted in two states
- 15,700 moved out of GA
- 40,279 changed county & didn't re-register to vote

I think you should say "psychology of human misjudgment" one more time. But this time go stand in front of a mirror. If the above numbers are correct, then any rational person should come to a certain conclusion.

- 0 times any of these held up in court

I heard a joke recently:

A Trump supporter dies and goes to heaven (you'll have to suspend your disbelief), and god says, "Sir, before you enter heaven I will allow you to ask any one question to me, and I will give you the true and honest answer".

So the man asks, "God, who really won the 2020 election?"
And god responds, "Joe Biden won the election, he had the most votes in the most states, he was the rightful winner and President"

And the man whispers to himself, "Wow, the conspiracy goes even higher than I thought!!"
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
The Taliban ain't got nuthin' on this guy:

"The Trump supporters are going to hunt them [the Democrats] down," the pastor said.

"The Democrats, the news media—if the leftists, if scientists, professors have been working secretly with the Chinese Communist Party," Wiles continued, "then line 'em up against the wall and shoot them. That's what you do with them."

https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-urges-trump-admin-shoot-democrats-journalists-if-they-conspired-rig-election-1551246?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 07, 2020, 09:15:57 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 07, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Great article - thank you!

We have the "Big Tech" Fake News and seem to have the COBF Fake News - defenders of liberty and objectivity, I see!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 10:15:47 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

The Republicans have debunked it.

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/raffensperger-responds-to-video-those-were-not-suitcases-and-it-wasnt-fraud/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 07, 2020, 10:25:57 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Great article - thank you!

We have the "Big Tech" Fake News and seem to have the COBF Fake News - defenders of liberty and objectivity, I see!

I believe Georgia already performed a hand re-count of all the ballots, which were essentially identical to the initial results.

Are you suggesting that the initial ballot count was fraudulent AND the recount was fraudulent?

If so I suggest you personally contribute to Trump's re-count efforts, you must agree it would be money well-spent. I look forward to seeing the receipts!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
For crying out loud, where is the PROOF?
 
Massive voter fraud? Enough to throw a federal election? Good Lord the proof must be everywhere? Have to be the easiest thing in the world to prove? 

Look, just because some right wing news site says something to attract readers does not mean it is true. It is sad that so many people here do not believe in the American justice system. It is even more unfortunate that they believe these right wing propaganda machines.

Donald trump has serious mental issues. One of them is that he is a compulsive liar. Certainly Trump has a very persuasive personality, but one would have thought that people here are sophisticated enough to see through his charades.

Is this Venezuela? Cuba? Iraq? Is it the 1930's? How gullible do people have to be to believe a proven liar with serious mental issues, when even those in the same party are trying to tell the man that he LOST the election fair and square.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 07, 2020, 10:44:24 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Great article - thank you!

We have the "Big Tech" Fake News and seem to have the COBF Fake News - defenders of liberty and objectivity, I see!

I believe Georgia already performed a hand re-count of all the ballots, which were essentially identical to the initial results.

Are you suggesting that the initial ballot count was fraudulent AND the recount was fraudulent?

If so I suggest you personally contribute to Trump's re-count efforts, you must agree it would be money well-spent. I look forward to seeing the receipts!

Are you serious?  All of the bluster, smug put downs, and this is your understanding of the situation?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 07, 2020, 10:45:38 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Great article - thank you!

We have the "Big Tech" Fake News and seem to have the COBF Fake News - defenders of liberty and objectivity, I see!

I believe Georgia already performed a hand re-count of all the ballots, which were essentially identical to the initial results.

Are you suggesting that the initial ballot count was fraudulent AND the recount was fraudulent?

If so I suggest you personally contribute to Trump's re-count efforts, you must agree it would be money well-spent. I look forward to seeing the receipts!

Thanks for the input LC.   So glad to hear they "recounted" all those phony ballots from underneath the table. Now I feel much better.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 10:46:05 AM
Is this Venezuela? Cuba? Iraq?

In those countries, the propaganda is to be believed by the people, not by the leader himself.  So no, the US is not Venezuala, Cuba, Iraq.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
Hans Christian Andersen's The "Emperor Has No Clothes" should be required reading by all Trump supporters.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 07, 2020, 10:59:45 AM
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_6846-1.jpg)

Mark Finchem gives update from AZ.  https://youtu.be/la2r0Sw4tMU?t=3198

Cheers!

Awesome!  But guys, don't listen to those THOUSANDS of voters that are coming out of the woodwork or signing affidavits. Nothing to see here..

Take your "truths" for the morons on CNN and MSNBC - yeah, that's it - "it's the god's honest truth!"...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 07, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Great article - thank you!

We have the "Big Tech" Fake News and seem to have the COBF Fake News - defenders of liberty and objectivity, I see!

I believe Georgia already performed a hand re-count of all the ballots, which were essentially identical to the initial results.

Are you suggesting that the initial ballot count was fraudulent AND the recount was fraudulent?

If so I suggest you personally contribute to Trump's re-count efforts, you must agree it would be money well-spent. I look forward to seeing the receipts!

Thanks for the input LC.   So glad to hear they "recounted" all those phony ballots from underneath the table. Now I feel much better.

Well, like I said if an independent audit is not satisfactory to you, please pony up to fund a 3rd count.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 11:18:31 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Great article - thank you!

We have the "Big Tech" Fake News and seem to have the COBF Fake News - defenders of liberty and objectivity, I see!

I believe Georgia already performed a hand re-count of all the ballots, which were essentially identical to the initial results.

Are you suggesting that the initial ballot count was fraudulent AND the recount was fraudulent?

If so I suggest you personally contribute to Trump's re-count efforts, you must agree it would be money well-spent. I look forward to seeing the receipts!

Thanks for the input LC.   So glad to hear they "recounted" all those phony ballots from underneath the table. Now I feel much better.

Well, like I said if an independent audit is not satisfactory to you, please pony up to fund a 3rd count.

Already did 3.

He wants to keep recounting till his team wins.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
It is not Bannon, it's not CNN or MSNBC. If there is evidence take it to court. Doesn't matter which side of politics you are on, the rest is bull sh*t. Anyone disagree?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
At least there is evidence to back what MSNBC is publishing:

Maddow: Losing and complaining is the most lucrative scam of Trump's presidency

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-losing-and-complaining-is-the-most-lucrative-scam-of-trump-s-presidency-97166405559
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 11:31:38 AM
At least there is evidence to back what MSNBC is publishing:

Maddow: Losing and complaining is the most lucrative scam of Trump's presidency

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-losing-and-complaining-is-the-most-lucrative-scam-of-trump-s-presidency-97166405559

LOL Oh how ironic. Same can be said about the "Renaissance" at NYT, CNN, etc....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 07, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
It is not Bannon, it's not CNN or MSNBC. If there is evidence take it to court. Doesn't matter which side of politics you are on, the rest is bull sh*t. Anyone disagree?

You and I already agreed that the US is now a 3rd world country - which fraudulent elections are the hallmark !

You should be happy we have common ground!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 11:38:51 AM
At least there is evidence to back what MSNBC is publishing:

Maddow: Losing and complaining is the most lucrative scam of Trump's presidency

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-losing-and-complaining-is-the-most-lucrative-scam-of-trump-s-presidency-97166405559

LOL Oh how ironic. Same can be said about the "Renaissance" at NYT, CNN, etc....

Funny, you don't complain when I link to Breitbart, NewsMax, and FoxNews articles.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 11:41:34 AM
If Breitbart can be quoted as saying "Losing and complaining is the most lucrative scam" and then it unfolds that way over the next short while, I'll second that as well. NYT, CNN, etc...already proved it true.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 11:49:29 AM
If Breitbart can be quoted as saying "Losing and complaining is the most lucrative scam" and then it unfolds that way over the next short while, I'll second that as well. NYT, CNN, etc...already proved it true.

Well, Newsmax printed a quote from Gen McMaster saying that Trump is doubling down on the worst mistakes of the Obama Administration.  Will you second that if it was also printed by NYT, CNN, etc...?

But calling Trump's actions a scam will piss off their right-wing viewership and you know they'll never willingly lose money.  That's not to say the editors don't disagree with Maddow.  You'll never find out.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 07, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
It is not Bannon, it's not CNN or MSNBC. If there is evidence take it to court. Doesn't matter which side of politics you are on, the rest is bull sh*t. Anyone disagree?

You and I already agreed that the US is now a 3rd world country - which fraudulent elections are the hallmark !

You should be happy we have common ground!

So according to you, we've got fraudulent elections, fraudulent auditors, and now fraudulent judges too, and the US is a fully-fledged 3rd world country.

It only took Trump four years to "make america great again" and "drain the swamp". I think the only institution he hollowed-out in a shorter period of time was the Republican party itself.

What's the opposite of Midas' touch?

The universe does seem to have some sense of morbid irony: Trump's last year in office is defined by a global virus...I'm not sure a more accurate metaphor exists to describe him.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 12:15:39 PM
Mary Trump said that she thinks her uncle genuinely believes he won the election and that he's the only person she knows 'who can gaslight himself'

https://news.yahoo.com/mary-trump-said-she-thinks-112618198.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAIs-0XfvqEF8Qm4bx7WERYovxEk7oh4e7MXUwPpBeUGjgZ-RfMItfczWqFGQCGl9aUuc-r_g7uh6C7o4m-WlXc5qyUG-3x-v7eQ4aYJS3vxhMRRNPT4LikxyuqtDQNvHpU5GAnygqWJI68zhpUJERshsjRi5SakK8cyFimtUvVH

Greg, this refutes Maddow's position that it is all just a scam
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 12:26:49 PM
Indeed, Mary Trump. One of the million who's gotten rich writing a book about DJT! Outside of this, she's continuing the Trump legacy of peddling bullshit. Get this...she's a psychologist, aka an academic PHD, not a real doctor, and her previous business was called Trump Life Coaching! Another loser academic.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 12:38:51 PM
Well if you don't believe her you might like to be able to do your own diagnosis. Do you think Trump might fit any of these descriptions?

Narcissist: 
One of several types of personality disorders. It is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Sociopath:
A sociopath is a term used to describe someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can’t understand others’ feelings. They’ll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause.

Paranoia:   
Symptoms of paranoia and delusional disorders include intense and irrational mistrust or suspicion, which can bring on sense of fear, anger, and betrayal. Some identifiable beliefs and behaviors of individuals with symptoms of paranoia include mistrust, hypervigilence, difficulty with forgiveness, defensive attitude in response to imagined criticism, preoccupation with hidden motives, fear of being deceived or taken advantage of, inability to relax, or are argumentative

Pathological Liar:
Described as a habituation of lying. It is when an individual consistently lies for no personal gain. There are many consequences of being a pathological liar. Due to lack of trust, most pathological liars' relationships and friendships fail. If this continues to progress, lying could become so severe as to cause legal problems, including, but not limited to, fraud.

Delusional:
Characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 12:44:05 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 12:49:14 PM
Indeed, Mary Trump. One of the million who's gotten rich writing a book about DJT! Outside of this, she's continuing the Trump legacy of peddling bullshit. Get this...she's a psychologist, aka an academic PHD, not a real doctor, and her previous business was called Trump Life Coaching! Another loser academic.

Greg, you are picking and choosing.  Breitbart makes money from publishing too.

Yes, she is a psychologist PhD, which is why she is qualified to assess an individual for mental illness.  “Real doctors” are not trained to do so.

Of all of tbem, she is uniquely qualified because she has witnessed him outside of public life and his family relationships.

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 12:49:55 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?

You are right, but don't you think that it is a problem that there are millions that believe the election was rigged and he is still promoting that myth? Do you think that division is good for the country?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 01:00:27 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?

You are right, but don't you think that it is a problem that there are millions that believe the election was rigged and he is still promoting that myth? Do you think that division is good for the country?

No. It happened in a similar fashion in 2016, and we're all still here. I dont think division is good but it is what it is. You got any plans to fix it? Real plans? Because I dont see anything. We're so divided that even within the parties, especially democrats, they hate each other.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 07, 2020, 01:03:21 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?

You are right, but don't you think that it is a problem that there are millions that believe the election was rigged and he is still promoting that myth? Do you think that division is good for the country?

There is no "myth" - the election was rigged. Trump doesn't need to promote it - most Americans believe it was fraudulent.
Of course, division is not good for the country. Fixed elections are even worse - and the fight for free/fair elections is worth any turmoil created.

Citizens fight for ideals they believe in. IF our gutless politicians on the right don't want to fight against a crooked and dishonest Democratic Party,
then citizens will - and that is GOOD for the country.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
I will also point out, that the Democrats have already rigged an election. Just ask Bernie about the 2016 DNC fiasco.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
I will also point out, that the Democrats have already rigged an election. Just ask Bernie about the 2016 DNC fiasco.

The "I know you are but what am I" defense of Trump's behavior.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 01:16:34 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?

You are right, but don't you think that it is a problem that there are millions that believe the election was rigged and he is still promoting that myth? Do you think that division is good for the country?

No. It happened in a similar fashion in 2016, and we're all still here. I dont think division is good but it is what it is. You got any plans to fix it? Real plans? Because I dont see anything. We're so divided that even within the parties, especially democrats, they hate each other.

Unfortunately I agree with you. A strong personality close to center that can work both side of the asile is badly needed. At one time I thought Ryan might be that person but then he sold out to Trump.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 07, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
I will also point out, that the Democrats have already rigged an election. Just ask Bernie about the 2016 DNC fiasco.

The "I know you are but what am I" defense of Trump's behavior.

No, that would be called ignoring context and precedent. But who's counting? You guys got what you wanted...so no further discussion should be warranted.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 01:31:04 PM
I will also point out, that the Democrats have already rigged an election. Just ask Bernie about the 2016 DNC fiasco.

The "I know you are but what am I" defense of Trump's behavior.

No, that would be called ignoring context and precedent. But who's counting? You guys got what you wanted...so no further discussion should be warranted.

While there is no question that I do not want Bernie Sanders running The White House, I was not interested in the Bernie Sanders drama.  I didn't vote in the Democrat or Republican primaries and was not watching the news closely.  Do you believe there was a conspiracy?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 01:49:50 PM
How trafficking in conspiracy theories went from the fringes of U.S. politics into the White House. FRONTLINE examines the alliance of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, Trump advisor Roger Stone, and the president, and their role in the battle over truth and lies.

https://www.pbs.org/video/united-states-of-conspiracy-1phat1/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 07, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
You are choosing to believe in a fantasy. Why?


https://fs.blog/great-talks/psychology-human-misjudgment/

In Georgia

- 2,056 felons voted illegally
- 66,248 under 18 voted
- 2,423 weren't registered
- 1,043 used a PO Box to register
- 10,315 died before the election
- 395 voted in two states
- 15,700 moved out of GA
- 40,279 changed county & didn't re-register to vote

I think you should say "psychology of human misjudgment" one more time. But this time go stand in front of a mirror. If the above numbers are correct, then any rational person should come to a certain conclusion.

Should be straightforward to address any irregularities in court. Any luck there?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 07, 2020, 05:10:17 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?

You are right, but don't you think that it is a problem that there are millions that believe the election was rigged and he is still promoting that myth? Do you think that division is good for the country?

There is no "myth" - the election was rigged.

William Barr disagrees. The deep state got him, I guess?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 07, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
At least there is evidence to back what MSNBC is publishing:

Maddow: Losing and complaining is the most lucrative scam of Trump's presidency

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-losing-and-complaining-is-the-most-lucrative-scam-of-trump-s-presidency-97166405559

LOL Oh how ironic. Same can be said about the "Renaissance" at NYT, CNN, etc....

He's raised $200mm since the election ended, and it's gone into a Super PAC where 25% goes to the RNC and the rest has no restrictions - he can buy a yacht if he wants. Ask yourself this: what incentive does he have to concede when his supporters will throw money at him while he cries foul?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
Why do you guys continue to obsess over this? Trumps got some issues. Sure. He was president from 2017-next month, and the US was fine. He'll be gone and we'll still be fine. Perhaps its time to get on with your lives?

You are right, but don't you think that it is a problem that there are millions that believe the election was rigged and he is still promoting that myth? Do you think that division is good for the country?

There is no "myth" - the election was rigged. Trump doesn't need to promote it - most Americans believe it was fraudulent.
Of course, division is not good for the country. Fixed elections are even worse - and the fight for free/fair elections is worth any turmoil created.

Citizens fight for ideals they believe in. IF our gutless politicians on the right don't want to fight against a crooked and dishonest Democratic Party,
then citizens will - and that is GOOD for the country.

Cubs read the psychological definitions that I posted. If you have any sort of an open mind you will see that those definitions describe Mr Trump very well. If nothing else, Trump is a well known liar and a guy who will never admit losing - hence his inability to admit defeat.

Trump himself is pretty well the sole source of the 'fixed' election myths and his minions suck it up and spread his fantasies to the friendly press.

If Trump is right, why has all his bluster not yet produced any proof. Think about it, Trump lost by a wide margin. He says the fraud was 'massive'. Where is the proof? Never mind the accusations, what proof has been presented in court?  And by the way, don't bother to quote some right wing site says, just show us proof that has been verified in court.

If the fraud is so massive and so widespread, it should be very obvious. where is it?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 06:37:31 PM
If you have any sort of an open mind

He informed us that he relies on Breitbart to aggregate his news from a diverse set of sources.  It was an oldie but a goodie.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 07, 2020, 07:29:52 PM
Eric, I've been thinking about changing sides and supporting Trump.

If Trump can sucker his supporters for $200 million or so I should be able to convince them that I have absolute proof that Joe Biden actually died four years ago and an imposter has run in his place.

This fake Joe Biden is actually a Canadian spy. If we let Canada get away with this, they will they will surly ruin the country by providing universal free health care, paid maternity leave and other dangerous social projects like all the other other industrialized countries have. If we let this happen it will ruin the country like it has elsewhere.

But for a donation of $1.00, just $1.00 from each Trump supporter we can get the Donald back in office and send those Canadians back up to the frozen north. To keep them there we will we will build a wall. A bigly beautiful wall. The most tremendous wall you have ever seen.  AND the Canadians will PAY for it - just like Mexicans did for their wall.

So I'm thinking that Trump got 74,209,290 votes and they seem willing to donate to support their beliefs, so at a buck apiece ...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 07, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
Eric, I've been thinking about changing sides and supporting Trump.

If Trump can sucker his supporters for $200 million or so I should be able to convince them that I have absolute proof that Joe Biden actually died four years ago and an imposter has run in his place.

This fake Joe Biden is actually a Canadian spy. If we let Canada get away with this, they will they will surly ruin the country by providing universal free health care, paid maternity leave and other dangerous social projects like all the other other industrialized countries have. If we let this happen it will ruin the country like it has elsewhere.

But for a donation of $1.00, just $1.00 from each Trump supporter we can get the Donald back in office and send those Canadians back up to the frozen north. To keep them there we will we will build a wall. A bigly beautiful wall. The most tremendous wall you have ever seen.  AND the Canadians will PAY for it - just like Mexicans did for their wall.

So I'm thinking that Trump got 74,209,290 votes and they seem willing to donate to support their beliefs, so at a buck apiece ...

Joe Biden is Canadian, and I demand to see his birth certificate!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 07:48:28 PM
Eric, I've been thinking about changing sides and supporting Trump.

If Trump can sucker his supporters for $200 million or so I should be able to convince them that I have absolute proof that Joe Biden actually died four years ago and an imposter has run in his place.

But Alex Jones is where Trump gets the conspiracies from...  so you must study from the master, not the student:

Here is the PBS Frontline special explaining Trump's relationship to Alex Jones and Roger Stone (who is basically the pimp who introduced them):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjL5rUx3TM

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 07:51:53 PM
Joe Biden is Canadian, and I demand to see his birth certificate!

That too originated with Alex Jones.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 07, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/)

Here is a useful heuristic:  when Alex Jones' InfoWars website is linking it, be wary

https://www.infowars.com/posts/the-federalist-destroys-attempted-debunking-of-late-night-ballot-malarkey-in-georgia/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Jurgis on December 07, 2020, 09:03:25 PM
... I have absolute proof that Joe Biden actually died four years ago and an imposter has run in his place.

This fake Joe Biden is actually a Canadian spy. If we let Canada get away with this, they will they will surly ruin the country by providing universal free health care, paid maternity leave and other dangerous social projects like all the other other industrialized countries have. If we let this happen it will ruin the country like it has elsewhere.

But for a donation of $1.00, just $1.00 from each Trump supporter we can get the Donald back in office and send those Canadians back up to the frozen north. To keep them there we will we will build a wall. A bigly beautiful wall. The most tremendous wall you have ever seen.  AND the Canadians will PAY for it - just like Mexicans did for their wall.

So I'm thinking that Trump got 74,209,290 votes and they seem willing to donate to support their beliefs, so at a buck apiece ...

Now you're finally talking. Took you a while to see the light. Where do we send money?

MCPA - Make Canada Pay Again!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Spekulatius on December 08, 2020, 04:12:24 AM
A lot of conspiracy glue sniffing going on here.

Pretty interesting that people believe the election was rigged because of voting machines, then after a hand count showing same results we now need signature matching, yada yada. Mind you all this happened under the watch of Republican governor who if anyone were the one best in a position to rig the election, not the Dems. Almost 40 lost lawsuits don’t do anything either to convince otherwise.

Try Occam’s razor once in a while, it cuts closer to thruth.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 08, 2020, 04:54:46 AM
A lot of conspiracy glue sniffing going on here.

Pretty interesting that people believe the election was rigged because of voting machines, then after a hand count showing same results we now need signature matching, yada yada. Mind you all this happened under the watch of Republican governor who if anyone were the one best in a position to rig the election, not the Dems. Almost 40 lost lawsuits don’t do anything either to convince otherwise.

Try Occam’s razor once in a while, it cuts closer to thruth.

You're absolutely right.  The simple answer is that Trump got more votes than Obama in 2008, and Biden still blew him out of the water by 10 million votes.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 08, 2020, 05:55:04 AM
" The simple answer is that Trump got more votes than Obama in 2008, and Biden still blew him out of the water by 10 million votes."

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the simple and obvious truth.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 08, 2020, 06:49:59 AM
“In fact, this lawsuit seems to be less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek -- as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court -- and more about the impact of their allegations on people’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government.”

https://www.newsmax.com/us/gen-globalmacr-gov-law/2020/12/07/id/1000437/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 08, 2020, 11:00:46 AM
Has Trump said anything to discourage more of this?

Michigan Secretary Of State Says Armed Protesters Descended On Her Home Saturday

"As my four-year-old son and I were finishing up decorating the house for Christmas on Saturday night, and he was about to sit down to watch How the Grinch Stole Christmas, dozens of armed individuals stood outside my home shouting obscenities and chanting into bullhorns in the dark of night," Benson said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/07/943820889/michigan-secretary-of-state-says-armed-protesters-descended-on-her-home-saturday



Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 08, 2020, 03:03:46 PM
The Supreme Court Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling that the high court would not go along with President Trump's unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive popular vote and Electoral College defeat.

The lawsuit was brought by Republican Rep. Mike Kelly, who argued a 2019 state law authorizing universal mail-in voting is unconstitutional and that all ballots cast by mail in the general election in Pennsylvania should be thrown out.

"The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied," read the court's one-sentence order, which did not suggest any dissent among the court's nine justices.


https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944230517/supreme-court-rejects-gop-bid-to-reverse-pennsylvania-election-results
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 08, 2020, 03:06:32 PM
The Supreme Court Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling that the high court would not go along with President Trump's unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive popular vote and Electoral College defeat.

The lawsuit was brought by Republican Rep. Mike Kelly, who argued a 2019 state law authorizing universal mail-in voting is unconstitutional and that all ballots cast by mail in the general election in Pennsylvania should be thrown out.

"The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied," read the court's one-sentence order, which did not suggest any dissent among the court's nine justices.


https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/944230517/supreme-court-rejects-gop-bid-to-reverse-pennsylvania-election-results

Full send: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html (https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 08, 2020, 03:24:21 PM
Trump's election-fraud claims push Arizona GOP to ask voters if they are 'willing' to die for results

The Arizona Republican Party released a tweet Tuesday asking voters if they were “willing” to give their lives to overturn the results of the 2020 November election -- an attitude adopted after President Trump has repeatedly claimed the election was fraudulent.

Despite dozens of failed court cases and a lack of evidence pointing to widespread voter fraud throughout the election, Trump and his supporters maintain the belief that the election was rigged.

Ali Alexander, activist affiliated with Stop the Steal -- a movement focused on overturning the election's results in swing states, released a tweet Monday saying, “I am willing to give my life for this fight."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fraud-claims-arizona-gop-voters-willing-to-die-results
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 12, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
https://nypost.com/article/worst-joe-biden-gaffes/

Seems arrogant, ignorant, and hostile. An awful lot like......
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 12, 2020, 01:48:04 PM
https://nypost.com/article/worst-joe-biden-gaffes/

Seems arrogant, ignorant, and hostile. An awful lot like......

Oh man - this guy is really President of the United States. Now we really are the laughing stock of the globe.

Maybe he puts his good for nothing, no skill, crack smoking, coke snorting, leach of a son into his cabinet to make the joke complete?
Or maybe his grifter loser brother will join the administration?

Nah..... he already made them rich with his influence peddling while working for Obama....
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 14, 2020, 11:44:04 AM
Report released this morning about Dominion machines inspected.  Seems totally normal:

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/ (https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 14, 2020, 12:22:42 PM
The Democrats are obviously geniuses and much, much smarter than Trump and the whole Republican party.

After all, they were able to fix the election and switch millions of votes. That was brilliant.

On the other hand, Trump and the Republicans must be dumber than a bag of rocks because they haven’t been able to prove the Democrats cheated.

Either that or the election wasn’t fixed. JMHO
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gfp on December 14, 2020, 12:36:32 PM
Report released this morning about Dominion machines inspected.  Seems totally normal:

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/ (https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/)

That guy Ramsland (Allied Security Operations Group) doesn't have a particularly strong track record of being accurate.  And the national pulse as a source?  That's a pretty bonkers website.

 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-james-ramsland-jr/affidavit-michigan-lawsuit-seeking-overturn-electi/
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 14, 2020, 12:44:04 PM
Report released this morning about Dominion machines inspected.  Seems totally normal:

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/ (https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/michigan-dominion-report/)

That guy Ramsland (Allied Security Operations Group) doesn't have a particularly strong track record of being accurate.  And the national pulse as a source?  That's a pretty bonkers website.

 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-james-ramsland-jr/affidavit-michigan-lawsuit-seeking-overturn-electi/

For sure.  The link provided has the actual report referenced so people can read it for themselves, not CNN's hot take.

It shouldn't be that difficult to put to bed any concerns about voting machine irregularities.  I don't understand why these states have been so concerned with protecting intellectual property of a foreign company.  Especially since US tax payers are paying for the machines to conduct a presidential election.  There should be full transparency, and concerns should be taken more seriously when irregularities are reported.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gfp on December 14, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
My point is that the report is by Ramsland.  As in - the source document is by the guy with a history of embarrassingly false claims.  Like you, I believe in the value of primary sources - the "report" itself and not a media report about the "report."  In this case, the "report" is garbage.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 14, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
Of course it is.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 15, 2020, 09:17:11 AM
Subpoena issued today to investigate all Dominion machines in Maricopa County.  Totally normal.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-subpoena-dominion-forensic-audit (https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-subpoena-dominion-forensic-audit)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 15, 2020, 10:22:47 AM
I think the 2020 investor of the year award has to go to the My Pillow guy for buying ad time on the Steve Bannon show. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gfp on December 15, 2020, 11:13:54 AM
When did the corner of Berkshire and Fairfax transform into a Qanon forum?  What on earth is the purpose of destroying a once-vibrant value investor community by dominating the posts with some new Qanon conspiracy theory each day?

I feel like I've watched this place slowly radicalize from an objective, intelligent forum where people could disagree and debate to a batshit crazy Qanon shitshow where we are treated to repeated posts of some creepy papa john clown makeup youtube videos with no purpose.

Aren't there plenty of other forums for this stuff?  8kun or Parler or wherever the current echo-chamber is repeating that the predictions are JUST about to come true.  Keep the faith Patriots!  100% wrong so far, but you just wait until the next drop.  Everything is part of the plan right? 

Why post this stuff here?  This isn't the forum for this stuff.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 15, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
Quote
Why post this stuff here?  This isn't the forum for this stuff.

I've come around to this opinion. I thought this community (myself included) was capable of debating issues on their merits but I was wrong, and I hope Sanjeev shuts this sub-forum down ASAP before it drags the rest of the community down with it.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gfp on December 15, 2020, 12:13:23 PM
As a reminder for the people having a hard time believing the election result, below is what was predicted, with the odds for each state, on October 30th.  Not polls (although they also predicted a similar outcome).  Betting markets.  The outcome of the election was not the least bit surprising.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/7bc2463212dd87291c291d9c26b1d38c/c4613d87fad723f9-68/s1280x1920/fea1dab97bd36249b39514a86f949427779e0a87.png)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 15, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
LOL I actually tried helping folks here out by steering them towards the bookies and away from the polls. The bookies were dead on, particularly AZ swinging from toss up to likely blue during the final week.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 15, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
Quote
Why post this stuff here?  This isn't the forum for this stuff.

I've come around to this opinion. I thought this community (myself included) was capable of debating issues on their merits but I was wrong, and I hope Sanjeev shuts this sub-forum down ASAP before it drags the rest of the community down with it.

The thread Cardboard started about “The Communist Flag...” actually took a turn toward arguing policy for several page, which was refreshing. Maybe it’s a sign of things to come after the changeover in the White House. But yeah I’m at least for banning any and all QAnon’ish posts, which you’d think wouldn’t  exist on a forum like this, but here we are.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cigarbutt on December 16, 2020, 04:45:04 AM
Quote
Why post this stuff here?  This isn't the forum for this stuff.
I've come around to this opinion. I thought this community (myself included) was capable of debating issues on their merits but I was wrong, and I hope Sanjeev shuts this sub-forum down ASAP before it drags the rest of the community down with it.
The thread Cardboard started about “The Communist Flag...” actually took a turn toward arguing policy for several page, which was refreshing. Maybe it’s a sign of things to come after the changeover in the White House. But yeah I’m at least for banning any and all QAnon’ish posts, which you’d think wouldn’t  exist on a forum like this, but here we are.
You may remember that we had a short exchange on this 'QAnon' topic in August 2018. Perhaps thought consideration should be given to the possibility that the phenomenon is getting larger and is/will be looking for new enablers. The outcome is bound to be linked to economic developments.
Since August 2018, things have changed. i used to apply a Ferengi rule but submit a new one for this discussion area(along gfp's line of thinking).
Old Ferengi rule (#222): The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be believed.
New rule: At some point, once a critical mass of personality disorders is assembled, it becomes impossible to dilute away.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gfp on December 16, 2020, 11:28:35 AM
Make no mistake, the record turnout in this election was not because Joe Biden was an exciting candidate.  Record turnout was driven in large part by people enthusiastic about voting against Donald Trump.  Also, empty counties don't hold a lot of weight.  If the president's legal team had evidence of material voter fraud they would have presented it in court.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emf8LrsXYAAK5Ji?format=png&name=large)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 16, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
That video has already been debunked by science.  Please stop spreading false information.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 16, 2020, 02:15:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmCXupba9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmCXupba9Q)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 16, 2020, 02:39:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmCXupba9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmCXupba9Q)

More political theater. Not even a good episode, they should replace him with a more compelling actor. You've really got to sell the moral righteousness if you want to keep viewership.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 16, 2020, 03:33:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmCXupba9Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmCXupba9Q)

Why worry about election integrity?   

IF you start doing that, the Cheat-to-Win Democrats won't have a chance.

How could dead people vote?
How could you vote twice?
How could you vote if you had to prove your identity? 
How could you vote if you lived out of state?
How could you stuff the ballot box if you allowed poll watchers to actually watch?
How could you pick up a bunch of undelivered ballots, fill them out yourself, and turn them in?

Shit - don't piss on their parade!

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gfp on December 16, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 16, 2020, 04:18:07 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?

Count the LEGAL votes.  Throw out the dead people, unregistered voters, double voters, etc.  If Biden wins after counting the legal votes, wonderful.  I honestly could care less. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 16, 2020, 04:41:16 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?

No, it's because Democrats work so hard to change the election process. You grew up around Chicago - you know how this works.

And some states really went out of their way to cheat.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 16, 2020, 04:54:41 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?

No, it's because Democrats work so hard to change the election process. You grew up around Chicago - you know how this works.

And some states really went out of their way to cheat.

Yup, massive cheating, millions of votes stolen.
So are the Dems really, really smart cheaters?
Or are the Republicans really, really so stupid that they can't come up with an ounce of proof?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 16, 2020, 04:57:15 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?

No, it's because Democrats work so hard to change the election process. You grew up around Chicago - you know how this works.

And some states really went out of their way to cheat.

Yup, massive cheating, millions of votes stolen.
So are the Dems really, really smart cheaters?
Or are the Republicans really, really so stupid that they can't come up with an ounce of proof?

^ Once again CW - we just about agree. Just don't ignore those 2000 sign affidavits of cheating.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 16, 2020, 05:05:04 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?

No, it's because Democrats work so hard to change the election process. You grew up around Chicago - you know how this works.

And some states really went out of their way to cheat.

Yup, massive cheating, millions of votes stolen.
So are the Dems really, really smart cheaters?
Or are the Republicans really, really so stupid that they can't come up with an ounce of proof?

lol.  you're serious, aren't you.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 16, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
Why is there an underlying assumption that Democrats are the only party that could / would "cheat" at the ballot box?  Is it because Republicans have the moral high ground and would never do such a thing because they are so principled and law abiding?

No, it's because Democrats work so hard to change the election process. You grew up around Chicago - you know how this works.

And some states really went out of their way to cheat.

Yup, massive cheating, millions of votes stolen.
So are the Dems really, really smart cheaters?
Or are the Republicans really, really so stupid that they can't come up with an ounce of proof?

^ Once again CW - we just about agree. Just don't ignore those 2000 sign affidavits of cheating.

You mean the same 2000 affidavits that say the New York Jets are undefeated? 

If you haven't seen it, go to YouTube and watch SNL's take on NewsMax from this weekend...Value2 needs to watch.  That's one of his main sources.  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 17, 2020, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Value^2


[i
Byrne says that stealing the national election doesn’t require cheating across the board. “There are six counties that you need to steal. If you steal these six counties around the country, that flips the six states they’re in, which flips the electoral college votes that come with them, which flips the nation, ” he said. “You’ve got to take six places and cheat like crazy there.”[/i]

"The third bucket, he says, is the extreme statistical outliers that would be thrown up by such a manipulation process.

“Things like that happened—these statistical outliers: Having 123,000 votes in a row going to one candidate; or in Pennsylvania, I believe it was 580,000 votes got processed that were 99.4 percent for Biden… and they came through exactly when all the Republicans had been told they had to leave.”

“They’re on the order of you winning the Powerball lottery this week, and next week and the week after—and that happening in dozens of places around America at the same time.”"

https://outline.com/5gdaUf

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpDELdfW8AQn4tC?format=jpg&name=medium)

Byrne is full out nuts. Nothing he says is believable.

Again, wheres the proof?  Trump and his allies are 1-58 in court.  They have stood in front of over 80 judges, many of whom were appointed by Trump and they have nothing.  Nothing.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 17, 2020, 10:57:17 AM
I disagree, i believe 100% what he said.  He probably has better understanding (than any outsider...) how deep state operates, how  election was stolen,  I think he's more sophisticated, than Trump/Bannon.

Cheers!

Well that says everything right there doesn't it.  I hope you get a nice shiny new tin hat for Christmas this year.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 17, 2020, 11:16:32 AM
I disagree, i believe 100% what he said.  He probably has better understanding (than any outsider...) how deep state operates, how  election was stolen,  I think he's more sophisticated, than Trump/Bannon.

Cheers!

Value^2, I have this really nice bridge for sale, It is just a tremendous bridge, it is probably, no, it IS the greatest bridge ever built. I know you would be interested. It is a great deal In fact it is a tremendous deal ...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 17, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
I disagree, i believe 100% what he said.  He probably has better understanding (than any outsider...) how deep state operates, how  election was stolen,  I think he's more sophisticated, than Trump/Bannon.

Cheers!

Value^2, I have this really nice bridge for sale, It is just a tremendous bridge, it is probably, no, it IS the greatest bridge ever built. I know you would be interested. It is a great deal In fact it is a tremendous deal ...

Show me the bridge and your proof of ownership and we'll talk. Liberals are terrible deal makers. I'm sure I could find a way to make it work for me.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: rb on December 17, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
Well if an unverified twitter account called RealPNavarro that joined in March says it then it must be so.  ::)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 17, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Well if an unverified twitter account called RealPNavarro that joined in March says it then it must be so.  ::)

https://www.scribd.com/document/488495896/Navarro-Report#fullscreen&from_embed (https://www.scribd.com/document/488495896/Navarro-Report#fullscreen&from_embed)

https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/not-so-looney-look-at-2020-election-results-devine/ (https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/not-so-looney-look-at-2020-election-results-devine/)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 17, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
^ Nice link. Thanks.

As always, ignore the haters...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 17, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
I disagree, i believe 100% what he said.  He probably has better understanding (than any outsider...) how deep state operates, how  election was stolen,  I think he's more sophisticated, than Trump/Bannon.

Cheers!

Value^2, I have this really nice bridge for sale, It is just a tremendous bridge, it is probably, no, it IS the greatest bridge ever built. I know you would be interested. It is a great deal In fact it is a tremendous deal ...

Show me the bridge and your proof of ownership and we'll talk. Liberals are terrible deal makers. I'm sure I could find a way to make it work for me.

So would that make you Value^2's dealer now?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 17, 2020, 03:06:05 PM
The voters showed their preference: they would rather vote-from-home. The pandemic allowed that. And those voters predominately voted for Biden.

Imagine if we as a country allowed all citizens to vote in the most convenient way possible?

Republicans would actually need to change their policy of enriching the 1% rather than rely on gerrymandering and voter suppression to win elections.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Spekulatius on December 17, 2020, 04:04:42 PM
A story about real suckers, taking out to the cleaners. This is what happens if you get high on your own supply.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/trump-betting-markets-sportsbooks-offshore-2020-election-gambling.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/trump-betting-markets-sportsbooks-offshore-2020-election-gambling.html)

Quote
Many Trump supporters were certain he could not lose, and they plowed so much money into betting on him that they distorted markets in his (and ultimately, the sportsbooks’) favor.

“It’s the most irrational market I ever saw,” says Collin Sherwin, a Tampa, Florida–based gambling writer who covers the industry for Vox Media’s DraftKings Nation.

I guess the even bigger sucker bet to to donate for Trump’s election challenge because there is no chance of winning.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 17, 2020, 05:50:34 PM
(https://thebingethinker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/IMG_8841-720x394.jpg)

https://twitter.com/RealPNavarro/status/1339621214126546947

All that and yet not a single shred of evidence that would hold up in court. In 58 tries with many republican (some Trump appointed) judges.  And Republican AG's.

It amazes me how otherwise rational, intelligent people can get sucked into a scam because they want so badly to believe it. 
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 17, 2020, 05:55:02 PM
Well if an unverified twitter account called RealPNavarro that joined in March says it then it must be so.  ::)

https://www.scribd.com/document/488495896/Navarro-Report#fullscreen&from_embed (https://www.scribd.com/document/488495896/Navarro-Report#fullscreen&from_embed)

https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/not-so-looney-look-at-2020-election-results-devine/ (https://nypost.com/2020/12/16/not-so-looney-look-at-2020-election-results-devine/)

Reading through this now. The video and news article offer no concrete proof. I’m 5 pages into the document and still no proof has been put forward. But here’s a quote

 “As documented in the extensive endnotes, the evidence used to conduct this assessment includes more than 50 lawsuits and judicial rulings...”

When your “50 lawsuits and judicial rulings” all end in bupkis, including at the Supreme Court, it’s hardly a selling point, but I’ll keep reading.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 17, 2020, 06:53:58 PM
Quote
What is so stunning about the Nevada case is the brazen disregard for our federal bribery laws. In the Silver State, in an effort orchestrated by the Biden campaign, Native Americans appear to have traded their votes not for pieces of silver but rather for
 Visa gift cards, jewelry, and other “swag.”13
  According to the Epoch Times, such vote buying schemes also may have occurred in eight other
states, including Arizona and Wisconsin.14

I read the Washington Examiner article referenced in the footnotes and the video it includes. Contrary to the quote above, the Biden campaign had nothing to do with the raffle or the group organizing it, and it’s not really clear to me that anything illegal occurred.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 17, 2020, 07:17:19 PM
Quote
Fake ballot manufacturing involves the fraudulent production of ballots on behalf of a candidate; and one of the most disturbing examples of possible fake ballot manufacturing involves a truck driver who has alleged in a sworn affidavit that he picked up large crates of ballots in New York and delivered them to a polling location in Pennsylvania.[15] There may be well over 100,000 ballots involved, enough fake ballots alone to have swung the election to Biden in the Keystone State.

The footnote is a link to a YouTube clip of a dude making the claim above. I don’t know what to make of it, aside from the fact that if there were fraud here, you’d think the $200 million Trump has raised and the fact that he essentially sits on top of the FBI would be more than enough to get an investigation going if there was something here, but that’s not happening. So uh... I’m just supposed the believe this guy? And then make a bunch of assumptions about the contents of the ballots? He picked them up in New York. I could just as easily assume they were redirected by the USPS away from New York for the purpose of hurting Biden’s popular vote numbers - let’s not forget all of the shenanigans with the USPS.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 17, 2020, 07:35:15 PM
Quote
Arguably the most flagrant example of possible fake ballot manufacturing on behalf of Joe Biden may have occurred at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Georgia. The possible perpetrators were caught in flagrante delicto on surveillance video.

Refuted by Republicans in Georgia.

I’m not going to post anymore excerpts but I’ll just add that when searching for most of this stuff, most of the direct hits are articles from the Epoch Times. The Epoch Times is essentially a mouthpiece for the Falun Gong, and the Falun Gong is a religious cult in China that has been caught meddling in US politics in the past. If you’re gonna be a good citizen, you’ve got to be able to recognize fake news from real news. Stories pushed by a Chinese cult are fake news.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 17, 2020, 11:41:50 PM
I disagree, i believe 100% what he said.  He probably has better understanding (than any outsider...) how deep state operates, how  election was stolen,  I think he's more sophisticated, than Trump/Bannon.

Cheers!

The irony about this is when Patrick was pointing out the Deep State and how his company's stock was being manipulated, the same people who believe him and support him now about conspiracy and Trump, thought he was batshit crazy back then.  Remember CNBC making fun of him on air...how about so many of the posters on here.

Equally ironic is that I fully supported his beliefs and analysis then because it matched with much of what I was seeing.  Today, I couldn't disagree with him more about the election, Trump, etc. 

Has he lost it or have I?  Only time will tell!   :o   Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 18, 2020, 03:00:32 AM
Quote
Arguably the most flagrant example of possible fake ballot manufacturing on behalf of Joe Biden may have occurred at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Georgia. The possible perpetrators were caught in flagrante delicto on surveillance video.

Refuted by Republicans in Georgia.

I’m not going to post anymore excerpts but I’ll just add that when searching for most of this stuff, most of the direct hits are articles from the Epoch Times. The Epoch Times is essentially a mouthpiece for the Falun Gong, and the Falun Gong is a religious cult in China that has been caught meddling in US politics in the past. If you’re gonna be a good citizen, you’ve got to be able to recognize fake news from real news. Stories pushed by a Chinese cult are fake news.

They didn't debunk anything with the video.  All they said was those were 'normal ballot boxes' and 'we didn't ask them to leave the room'.  Contrary to what witnesses said happened.

For me, the mental gymnastics required to rationalize that this was a legit election is more difficult than admitting that there was likely some shenanigans going on. 

I'm all ears for where to get news from.  CNN is complete garbage, and Fox News is too concerned with trashing democrats to actually cover what's going on.

There is a comprehensive ballot audit going on in Georgia (statewide).  This has not been reported on anywhere except a couple of 'fringe' news sites.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Cigarbutt on December 18, 2020, 05:44:01 AM
I disagree, i believe 100% what he said.  He probably has better understanding (than any outsider...) how deep state operates, how  election was stolen,  I think he's more sophisticated, than Trump/Bannon.
Cheers!
The irony about this is when Patrick was pointing out the Deep State and how his company's stock was being manipulated, the same people who believe him and support him now about conspiracy and Trump, thought he was batshit crazy back then.  Remember CNBC making fun of him on air...how about so many of the posters on here.
Equally ironic is that I fully supported his beliefs and analysis then because it matched with much of what I was seeing.  Today, I couldn't disagree with him more about the election, Trump, etc. 
Has he lost it or have I?  Only time will tell!   :o   Cheers!
i would bet on your side once again.
The 'slip' Deep State vs Deep Capture is an interesting one. Some of the Deep Capture stuff was weird but some of it was incredibly useful.
Sith Lords are still buying professional sports teams but he was clearly onto something real and material. But he has personality characteristics that make him prone to espouse various conspiracy theories.
One can be unusually bright.
But one also has to be right.
----) Back to twilight-zone politics
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 18, 2020, 07:04:04 AM
Oops:

https://amp.freep.com/amp/3937898001?__twitter_impression=true

Quote
An audit conducted Thursday of the votes cast in the November presidential election in Antrim County, the heart of a conspiracy theory about Dominion Voting Systems, affirmed the outcome with a net gain of 12 votes for Republican President Donald Trump, out of 15,962 votes cast, officials said.

The hand tally of every vote cast for president in Antrim County in the November general election could put the conspiracies to rest after state and local election officials have spent more than a month explaining that the incorrect unofficial results reported by the county on election night stemmed from human error.

The hand tally in the deeply red county had the same result as the machines. Guess Hugo Chavez’ ghost got Antrim county hand counters too.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 18, 2020, 07:09:53 AM
Oops:

https://amp.freep.com/amp/3937898001?__twitter_impression=true

Quote
An audit conducted Thursday of the votes cast in the November presidential election in Antrim County, the heart of a conspiracy theory about Dominion Voting Systems, affirmed the outcome with a net gain of 12 votes for Republican President Donald Trump, out of 15,962 votes cast, officials said.

The hand tally of every vote cast for president in Antrim County in the November general election could put the conspiracies to rest after state and local election officials have spent more than a month explaining that the incorrect unofficial results reported by the county on election night stemmed from human error.

The hand tally in the deeply red county had the same result as the machines. Guess Hugo Chavez’ ghost got Antrim county too.

lol.  "could put the conspiracies to rest"

That must be why a subpoena was issued in Michigan to secure every Dominion voting machine in the state.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 18, 2020, 07:29:43 AM
Meanwhile, evidence emerges of a "Deep State":

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Tuesday pleaded with department staff involved in transitioning to the Biden administration to "be the resistance" against not doing what's right for students.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/devos-education-department-resistance
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 18, 2020, 07:33:23 AM
I dont think there is anything more comically Deep State, like so preposterous its only imaginable coming out of a Hollywood movie, than the Lynch/Clinton tarmac meeting. And I dont recall any of the whiners here having much issue with that. But carry on!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 18, 2020, 07:37:27 AM
I dont think there is anything more comically Deep State, like so preposterous its only imaginable coming out of a Hollywood movie, than the Lynch/Clinton tarmac meeting. And I dont recall any of the whiners here having much issue with that. But carry on!

Trump is the only Deep State whiner Greg.  And you don't recall?

Did Obama whine about a Deep State?  There has been no other administration since.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 18, 2020, 09:32:16 AM
Oops:

https://amp.freep.com/amp/3937898001?__twitter_impression=true

Quote
An audit conducted Thursday of the votes cast in the November presidential election in Antrim County, the heart of a conspiracy theory about Dominion Voting Systems, affirmed the outcome with a net gain of 12 votes for Republican President Donald Trump, out of 15,962 votes cast, officials said.

The hand tally of every vote cast for president in Antrim County in the November general election could put the conspiracies to rest after state and local election officials have spent more than a month explaining that the incorrect unofficial results reported by the county on election night stemmed from human error.

The hand tally in the deeply red county had the same result as the machines. Guess Hugo Chavez’ ghost got Antrim county too.

lol.  "could put the conspiracies to rest"

Of course it won’t.

“Ships will sail around the world, but the Flat Earth Society will continue to flourish”. —WEB

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 18, 2020, 09:38:25 AM

I'm all ears for where to get news from.  CNN is complete garbage, and Fox News is too concerned with trashing democrats to actually cover what's going on.

There is a comprehensive ballot audit going on in Georgia (statewide).  This has not been reported on anywhere except a couple of 'fringe' news sites.

Try the Daily Wire, National Review, American Greatness and The Federalist
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Gregmal on December 18, 2020, 09:47:13 AM

I'm all ears for where to get news from.  CNN is complete garbage, and Fox News is too concerned with trashing democrats to actually cover what's going on.

There is a comprehensive ballot audit going on in Georgia (statewide).  This has not been reported on anywhere except a couple of 'fringe' news sites.

Try the Daily Wire, National Review, American Greatness and The Federalist

Oh! The liberals told me you only use Breitbart. Perhaps it was just part of their disinformation campaign...I think we should just keep it simple and stick to using reliable, non biased sources like NYT and Wapo!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 18, 2020, 10:57:43 AM
Oh! The liberals told me you only use Breitbart. Perhaps it was just part of their disinformation campaign...I think we should just keep it simple and stick to using reliable, non biased sources like NYT and Wapo!

Well, I am a huge fan of Breitbart News. They proved their mettle in this summer's news cycle. While the MSM actively suppressed the rioting, looting
and burning - Breitbart reporters posted hundreds of live videos showing the travesty EVERY DAY. Every day in Portland for the hundred days.
All the disgusting behavior in the CHAZ.  All this was actively suppressed - and reported as "peaceful protest", "summer of love", etc, etc.

Breitbart showed what was really happening. You don't have to say much when you have video evidence.

Their reward, of course, for reporting the truth was go be censored by Google.

So take your pick. Keep CNN/MSNBC on all you like - and believe their propaganda like fools. It's your choice.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 18, 2020, 12:01:59 PM
Oh! The liberals told me you only use Breitbart.

My "go to" source for news is Breitbart !
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 18, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
^ Like I said, I am a big fan of Breitbart. And a few others I mentioned.

You just keep watching Rachel Maddow and Jim Acosta - they will be sure to keep you up to date on Russia, Russia, Russia and "Peaceful Protests"
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 18, 2020, 04:16:37 PM

I'm all ears for where to get news from.  CNN is complete garbage, and Fox News is too concerned with trashing democrats to actually cover what's going on.

There is a comprehensive ballot audit going on in Georgia (statewide).  This has not been reported on anywhere except a couple of 'fringe' news sites.

Try the Daily Wire, National Review, American Greatness and The Federalist

Not fake news...fringe news! 

adjective

not part of the mainstream; unconventional, peripheral, or extreme.

Couldn't agree more.  I would imagine the KKK, Antifa, Qanon and Proud Boys are all "fringe" as well...certainly not fake groups!  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 18, 2020, 04:17:57 PM
^ Like I said, I am a big fan of Breitbart. And a few others I mentioned.

You just keep watching Rachel Maddow and Jim Acosta - they will be sure to keep you up to date on Russia, Russia, Russia and "Peaceful Protests"

That's the thing...I don't watch either of those shows.  But you keep rotting your brain on Breitbart!  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 18, 2020, 04:28:12 PM

I'm all ears for where to get news from.  CNN is complete garbage, and Fox News is too concerned with trashing democrats to actually cover what's going on.

There is a comprehensive ballot audit going on in Georgia (statewide).  This has not been reported on anywhere except a couple of 'fringe' news sites.

Try the Daily Wire, National Review, American Greatness and The Federalist

Not fake news...fringe news! 

adjective

not part of the mainstream; unconventional, peripheral, or extreme.

Couldn't agree more.  I would imagine the KKK, Antifa, Qanon and Proud Boys are all "fringe" as well...certainly not fake groups!  Cheers!

Certainly no problem with fringe news when the MSM won't tell you the truth.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on December 18, 2020, 05:07:30 PM
Hunter Biden should take some tips from Donald Trump, Jared Kushner and the Trump family...as well as Mike Pence and his son:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jared-kushner-reportedly-helped-create-191639862.html

All corrupt motherf**kers!  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 18, 2020, 06:46:24 PM

I'm all ears for where to get news from.  CNN is complete garbage, and Fox News is too concerned with trashing democrats to actually cover what's going on.

There is a comprehensive ballot audit going on in Georgia (statewide).  This has not been reported on anywhere except a couple of 'fringe' news sites.

Try the Daily Wire, National Review, American Greatness and The Federalist

Not fake news...fringe news! 

adjective

not part of the mainstream; unconventional, peripheral, or extreme.

Couldn't agree more.  I would imagine the KKK, Antifa, Qanon and Proud Boys are all "fringe" as well...certainly not fake groups!  Cheers!

Certainly no problem with fringe news when the MSM won't tell you the truth.

Enjoy your alternative facts.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 19, 2020, 06:41:43 PM
For me, the mental gymnastics required to rationalize that this was a legit election is more difficult than admitting that there was likely some shenanigans going on.

For you to be correct, the “Deep State” conspiracy must be true. For me to be correct, I have to believe that judges - including many Trump appointees - are correctly applying the law.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 19, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
For me, the mental gymnastics required to rationalize that this was a legit election is more difficult than admitting that there was likely some shenanigans going on.

For you to be correct, the “Deep State” conspiracy must be true. For me to be correct, I have to believe that judges - including many Trump appointees - are correctly applying the law.

I am sure JRM considers himself a proud American, but it must be difficult for him.
Because he accuses his country of having an inability to hold a legitimate election.
He believes the Democrats are a nefarious band of outlaws that has overthrown the rightful government.
He thinks the present administration, which he supports, is incapable of successfully investigating this massive fraud.
And it follows that the legal system also must be corrupt since they keep throwing out all of Trump's proof of fraud.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 20, 2020, 04:25:58 AM
For me, the mental gymnastics required to rationalize that this was a legit election is more difficult than admitting that there was likely some shenanigans going on.

For you to be correct, the “Deep State” conspiracy must be true. For me to be correct, I have to believe that judges - including many Trump appointees - are correctly applying the law.

You guys keep using terms like "deep state", and "conspiracy", and "cult".  I guess you missed the ruling in Wisconsin where they determined that COVID is not a valid exception for voting absentee as indefinitely confined?  There was one tiny win.

If upholding the law means not enforcing the constitution, then we seem to be on opposite ends of this one.

Speaking of conspiring, what are the board of supervisors doing in Maricopa County obstructing a warrant issued to inspect the voting machines?  Looks like a guilty party trying to hide something.  There is no personal information stored on a voting machine.  It's a tabulation device, right?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 20, 2020, 04:28:47 AM
For me, the mental gymnastics required to rationalize that this was a legit election is more difficult than admitting that there was likely some shenanigans going on.

For you to be correct, the “Deep State” conspiracy must be true. For me to be correct, I have to believe that judges - including many Trump appointees - are correctly applying the law.

I am sure JRM considers himself a proud American, but it must be difficult for him.
Because he accuses his country of having an inability to hold a legitimate election.
He believes the Democrats are a nefarious band of outlaws that has overthrown the rightful government.
He thinks the present administration, which he supports, is incapable of successfully investigating this massive fraud.
And it follows that the legal system also must be corrupt since they keep throwing out all of Trump's proof of fraud.

You're trolling again.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 20, 2020, 06:17:54 AM
For me, the mental gymnastics required to rationalize that this was a legit election is more difficult than admitting that there was likely some shenanigans going on.

For you to be correct, the “Deep State” conspiracy must be true. For me to be correct, I have to believe that judges - including many Trump appointees - are correctly applying the law.

I am sure JRM considers himself a proud American, but it must be difficult for him.
Because he accuses his country of having an inability to hold a legitimate election.
He believes the Democrats are a nefarious band of outlaws that has overthrown the rightful government.
He thinks the present administration, which he supports, is incapable of successfully investigating this massive fraud.
And it follows that the legal system also must be corrupt since they keep throwing out all of Trump's proof of fraud.

You're trolling again.

No. I am simply stating facts. While you seem to be comfortable with your own percieved 'alternate facts'.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: investor-man on December 21, 2020, 05:26:32 PM
Patrick Byrne  @ White house:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/betrayed-within-patrick-byrne-blasts-white-house-staff-attending-election-meeting-president-trump-sydney-powell-gen-flynn/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


Epoch times interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edF5lhTYwIQ


Cheers!

Epoch Times is run by a Chinese cult.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on December 21, 2020, 05:49:29 PM
Patrick Byrne  @ White house:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/betrayed-within-patrick-byrne-blasts-white-house-staff-attending-election-meeting-president-trump-sydney-powell-gen-flynn/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


Epoch times interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edF5lhTYwIQ


Cheers!

Epoch Times is run by a Chinese cult.

That fits.  MAGA is a cult.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on December 21, 2020, 10:03:50 PM
Patrick Byrne  @ White house:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/betrayed-within-patrick-byrne-blasts-white-house-staff-attending-election-meeting-president-trump-sydney-powell-gen-flynn/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


Epoch times interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edF5lhTYwIQ


Cheers!

Curious statement from such a big believer/supporter “I did not vote for him”.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 25, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
^ Saw that this morning - so true!

Back to the beginning of the Trump term - Democrats hate him, Never Trump Republicans hate him - the people love him!

A man of the people!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 25, 2020, 05:57:29 PM

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I saved at least 8 Republican Senators, including Mitch, from losing in the last Rigged (for President) Election. Now they (almost all) sit back and watch me fight against a crooked and vicious foe, the Radical Left Democrats. I will NEVER FORGET!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1342245390540804096


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
VOTER FRAUD IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS A FACT!!!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1342212651447967744


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Dec 22
THE DEMOCRATS DUMPED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS IN THE SWING STATES LATE IN THE EVENING. IT WAS A RIGGED ELECTION!!!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341405487057821698 


I love those all caps tweets!

Yes that all must be true. My President said so. My President would never lie. It must be true.
Sorry. I should have put that in caps for you.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 25, 2020, 06:17:26 PM
^ Saw that this morning - so true!

Back to the beginning of the Trump term - Democrats hate him, Never Trump Republicans hate him - the people love him!

A man of the people!

"the people love him!"?   There are about 81,282,903 people that didn't love him enough to vote for him.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on December 26, 2020, 01:19:22 AM
^Right, I forgot to include the dead people and those that voted twice!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 26, 2020, 06:16:36 AM
^Right, I forgot to include the dead people and those that voted twice!

Yes that must be true too. Because my President said so and I know he would never, never lie to me.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on December 26, 2020, 03:34:07 PM

Patrick Byrne

The dots should begin connecting…

https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1342928979964157954

Here you go

https://www.amazon.com/Connect-Dots-Books-Kids-Dot/dp/1947243144
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 26, 2020, 04:24:45 PM

Patrick Byrne

The dots should begin connecting…

https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1342928979964157954

Here you go

https://www.amazon.com/Connect-Dots-Books-Kids-Dot/dp/1947243144


Probably a little too sophisticated for some here.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on December 27, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
https://youtu.be/MTb1JfJ6PdA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPYn-gnkJKw
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 28, 2020, 03:06:44 PM
Oops.

https://twitter.com/russdiamond/status/1343622485946880007?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1343622485946880007%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F12%2Fbreaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates%2F (https://twitter.com/russdiamond/status/1343622485946880007?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1343622485946880007%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F12%2Fbreaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates%2F)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on December 28, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
Oops.

https://twitter.com/russdiamond/status/1343622485946880007?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1343622485946880007%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F12%2Fbreaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates%2F (https://twitter.com/russdiamond/status/1343622485946880007?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1343622485946880007%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F12%2Fbreaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates%2F)

How many things like the above have been posted here and later shown as unsubstantiated BS?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: LC on December 30, 2020, 11:06:11 AM
Stop the presses! Investigate the fraud!

https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on December 30, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
From the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing today in Georgia for you geniuses who are still in denial:

https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=13206 (https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=13206)

https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=17174 (https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=17174)

https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=18048 (https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=18048)
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on January 01, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
It wouldn't surprise me, if we find out that rich RINO's like Mitch are part of the Dominion scam.


From the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing today in Georgia for you geniuses goons who are still in denial:

https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=13206 (https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=13206)

https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=17174 (https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=17174)

https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=18048 (https://youtu.be/u5ZP_HpBKos?t=18048)

powerful evidence!!

Shouldn't this be moved to the "Political Humor!" thread?
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on January 01, 2021, 10:08:41 AM
^ Sure!  If you think election fraud is funny!!

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: dwy000 on January 01, 2021, 09:30:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks/status/1344313511774724097

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqf2At-WMAIaJlC?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1345167452691451907
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cwericb on January 02, 2021, 06:20:37 AM
https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks/status/1344313511774724097

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqf2At-WMAIaJlC?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/ForTheRuleOfLaw/status/1345167452691451907

Bringing common sense into the debate has little effect on the brainwashed who prefer to believe the person with obvious mental problems over the courts and other reasonable people. What would they know?  Trump told them the election was rigged and Trump would never lie. Boggles the mind.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: adesigar on January 03, 2021, 07:23:08 PM
Mike Pence has the authority to authorize a ten day window for an audit. The inauguration can be rescheduled. - Peter Navarro

https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1345590812789395456

So from the 20th we get Nancy Pelosi as president. Awesome.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: gary17 on January 03, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
Yes
US constitution is Trump is president for a four year term
so his term automatically expires
so unless they install Biden the next president is Pelosi
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on January 04, 2021, 05:16:10 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/cpyz2u6mhd961.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=77adabfbdbaada64154463f16ba4041916768ee7)

Claim vs Facts from Georgia SoS.

Not that we should fool ourselves into believing that facts ever really mattered to the ones making the claims.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on January 04, 2021, 05:50:58 PM
^ You forgot the second page about the paid for votes, ballot box stuffing and vote harvesting!

Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on January 04, 2021, 07:39:51 PM
^ ...and Hugo Chavez’ zombie ghost reprogramming the machines and then manipulating that hand recount too!

Maybe I should include the conspiracy about intergalactic Lord Xenu and his role in this to cover all my bases...
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Parsad on January 05, 2021, 12:41:06 AM
^ ...and Hugo Chavez’ zombie ghost reprogramming the machines and then manipulating that hand recount too!

Maybe I should include the conspiracy about intergalactic Lord Xenu and his role in this to cover all my bases...

Dalal, don't even get us started on Tom Cruise and John Travolta!  I like both their movies.   ;)  Cheers!
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: ukvalueinvestment on January 05, 2021, 05:56:41 AM
^ You forgot the second page about the paid for votes, ballot box stuffing and vote harvesting!

Dear cubs fan,

This is getting boring.  Biden won the election.  Trump lost.  The whole world knows it.  Change the record.

Kind Regards,

A non US observer.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: JRM on January 05, 2021, 06:15:26 AM
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2021/related/proposals/ar3 (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2021/related/proposals/ar3)

For those too lazy to read, this is a resolution to decertify Wisconsin.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on January 05, 2021, 07:22:11 AM
^ You forgot the second page about the paid for votes, ballot box stuffing and vote harvesting!

Dear cubs fan,

This is getting boring.  Biden won the election.  Trump lost.  The whole world knows it.  Change the record.

Kind Regards,

A non US observer.

UK Bro - deal with your Brexit mess and we'll deal with the US election fraud mess
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: Castanza on January 08, 2021, 05:16:50 PM
Biden said he will make it a priority to pass laws targeting domestic terrorism. Will be interesting to see how this turns out. Smells like McCarthyism.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: cubsfan on January 08, 2021, 05:21:40 PM
^ Well the Minister of Information has banned Trump from Twitter and Facebook

They are targeting Fox News next.

Once complete - they will target their political opponents with Show Trials.
Title: Re: President Biden
Post by: mattee2264 on January 08, 2021, 05:55:45 PM

 Also promising trillions in immediate fiscal stimulus.