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Title: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
18 U.S.C. 1001(a) provides for five years of imprisonment for each false statement made to the government.  For someone who is not the President or a crony, prosecutions under the statute happen often without making it big news in the media.

To prevent prosecution, I had mentioned earlier that for Trump, winning this election might be more important than life and death, because he knows how many false statements to the government he has made and advice he must be getting from counsel regarding this.  Trump has very little to lose by trying to violate more laws to try to stay in office, and he will try. However, if he sees that there is no chance of it working, there is a probability that he will flee. 

I'm curious what folks think is the probability of that event, and the likely country he will flee to?

Because the presidency terminates on Jan 20, 2021 if he doesn't win the election according to the 20th Amendment to the Constitution (regardless of what Trump might say), he will probably try to flee before then.  There is a possibility prosecutors might try to get an injunction from him being able to flee ahead of that.

Hold behold, Trump is now mentioning the same thing in public that he might leave the country if Biden wins, and articles are starting to pop up in media about several prosecutions having been stayed during the term of presidency.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 17, 2020, 03:43:35 PM
^ Lock him up! 
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 03:47:40 PM
If he does flee, my guess is he will pick a country that will not extradite him back to the U.S.

I hope he doesn't flee to his dictator friends in Russia or North Korea and use all the secrets he knows against the U.S.  That would be pretty scary.   The probability is non-zero of that scenario happening.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 17, 2020, 03:53:20 PM
He loves Kim Jong-un - so you can figure he'll flee to North Korea where he can build a Trump Tower and live happily ever after.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Cardboard on October 17, 2020, 03:58:39 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 17, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
According to the bookies, there is a greater chance Joe Biden drops out before the election, than Trump. Hoebag Harris is +15000, and you can take Pence for +17000. I will inquire about odds on fleeing before Jan 2021. With the NYP story Joe might flee too! Who knows? Nothing like a good conspiracy theory/fantastical story though, I agree.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 04:08:16 PM
According to the bookies, there is a greater chance Joe Biden drops out before the election, than Trump. Hoebag Harris is +15000, and you can take Pence for +17000. I will inquire about odds on fleeing before Jan 2021. With the NYP story Joe might flee too! Who knows? Nothing like a good conspiracy theory/fantastical story though, I agree.

I don't see how Joe's story in NYP violates 18 USC 1031(a).  Trump's crony Barr has already looked into it and decided there is nothing he can prosecute.

On the other hand with Trump, looks like there are clear tax forms filled out where he had wrong values that can be clearly proven to be different from real values, and meet the bar for prosecution.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 17, 2020, 04:17:12 PM
^ You keep working on it Learning Machine - you're on to hoax #15 or #16 - one of these days you'll get the Teflon-Donald!!
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 17, 2020, 04:32:36 PM
Learningmachine, if Im remembering you correctly, you've done some quality work on a few of the office REITs...how do you value private assets? You and I both know the answer to this. Fair values are usually ranges, and sensitive to inputs and also of course, market movements. Everything it seems Trump does from an accounting and finance perspective, seems very aggressive but very par for the course when it comes to the RE folks. Maybe it appears his values are off...tell me, as a prosecutor...where's you angle? He used replacement value instead of an NOI derived figure? He used too aggressive a cap rate? He used an old appraisal? There's very little that sticks in terms of proving anything that puts him behind bars, even if everyone "knows" what game he was playing.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Viking on October 17, 2020, 05:42:28 PM
The possible outcomes on any number of topics/issues we will see on election day and after are interesting to think about. Trump or Biden win? Clear cut result or disputed? If disputed, how disputed?

If Trump loses that is where things get wickedly interesting. What does he do? Does he flee to another country? (Hadnít thought about that one). Does he resign / get pardoned by Pence before new President is sworn in? What is Trumpís role in Republican party in defeat? How does Republican party establishment respond? Do they try and kick Trump to the curb?

Once Biden is sworn in (assuming he wins) what is Trumpís role in national politics? Will Trump be even more vocal with the shackles of government removed? Will Trump be even more influential/revered with his core base of support? Will Trump be even more of a disruptive force as a private citizen?

There is a case to be made that in defeat Trump will continue to hold enormous power. He might not need to flee :-)

PS: and the next Presidential election is only 4 short years away! What are the odds Trump runs again in 4 years if he loses this election?
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Parsad on October 17, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Cardboard, I don't mind you voicing your opinion, but often you tread masochistic, racist or homophobic thin lines.  For example, this post and turning Obama into Obounga is borderline racist.  The next comment that treads that line gets you permanently kicked out! 

Also, the whole birther thing, which even Trump doesn't support anymore is also blatantly racist.  If Obama was white, you wouldn't even suggest it...like no one suggests it with Trump.  How you twist names for Kamala, or other minority politicians, also underlines either a complete lack of respect for other people, or racist tendencies. 

It won't be tolerated anymore.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 06:43:37 PM
Learningmachine, if Im remembering you correctly, you've done some quality work on a few of the office REITs...how do you value private assets? You and I both know the answer to this. Fair values are usually ranges, and sensitive to inputs and also of course, market movements. Everything it seems Trump does from an accounting and finance perspective, seems very aggressive but very par for the course when it comes to the RE folks. Maybe it appears his values are off...tell me, as a prosecutor...where's you angle? He used replacement value instead of an NOI derived figure? He used too aggressive a cap rate? He used an old appraisal? There's very little that sticks in terms of proving anything that puts him behind bars, even if everyone "knows" what game he was playing.

Gregmal, I don't think Trump will be prosecuted on something that is gray area.  I think many independent prosecutors will do a good job at sticking to what is provable very clearly for independent triers of fact (Judges, Juries) to come to a decision that Trump did make many false statements to the government. 

Given Trump's history of making many false and inaccurate statements, I put the probability above 95% that if prosecutors are able to go ahead when Trump is a normal citizen, they will be able to prove to independent triers of fact (Judges, Juries) that Trump made many false statements to the government.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
The possible outcomes on any number of topics/issues we will see on election day and after are interesting to think about. Trump or Biden win? Clear cut result or disputed? If disputed, how disputed?

If Trump loses that is where things get wickedly interesting. What does he do? Does he flee to another country? (Hadnít thought about that one). Does he resign / get pardoned by Pence before new President is sworn in? What is Trumpís role in Republican party in defeat? How does Republican party establishment respond? Do they try and kick Trump to the curb?

Once Biden is sworn in (assuming he wins) what is Trumpís role in national politics? Will Trump be even more vocal with the shackles of government removed? Will Trump be even more influential/revered with his core base of support? Will Trump be even more of a disruptive force as a private citizen?

There is a case to be made that in defeat Trump will continue to hold enormous power. He might not need to flee :-)

PS: and the next Presidential election is only 4 short years away! What are the odds Trump runs again in 4 years if he loses this election?

Viking, I agree Trump will continue to hold enormous power to incite violence or start civil war.  However, because he will lose protections of the Presidency, prosecutors will move in quickly to charge him for making false statements in the past, and for aiding and abetting violence if he does so.

If he was negotiating with a single person representing all of U.S. and state government branches, maybe he could have used threat of violence, but that won't be the case.  All independent prosecutors will be just following the law that is already written, and those laws cannot be changed for one person.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 17, 2020, 07:13:10 PM
^Yeah, but the problem you are going to have:  Once Amy Barrett gets confirmed, Trump will have his court stacked. If/when convicted, he'll just
eventually appeal to his Supreme Court and will go off Scott Free....sucks doesn't it??
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 07:29:02 PM
^Yeah, but the problem you are going to have:  Once Amy Barrett gets confirmed, Trump will have his court stacked. If/when convicted, he'll just
eventually appeal to his Supreme Court and will go off Scott Free....sucks doesn't it??

Yes, he and Barr have been working on putting holes in the foundations of our democracy, brick by brick. 

One thing that gives me hope is Supreme Court rules on issues of law, e.g. interpretation of constitution, whether laws are constitutional, etc.   So, Supreme Court cannot say the trier of fact below determined facts incorrectly, but they can say that new law of the land is that ex-president cannot be prosecuted.  However, if they do something like that, they will be setting precedence for the future.  So, they will have to be careful to say the equivalent of something like president is above the law.

I feel some hope with the Supreme Court Justices, even if nominated by Republicans, to protect our democracy because they will be somewhat bound by past precedence and will have to be cognizant of setting precedence for the future.

Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Viking on October 17, 2020, 09:04:41 PM
^Yeah, but the problem you are going to have:  Once Amy Barrett gets confirmed, Trump will have his court stacked. If/when convicted, he'll just
eventually appeal to his Supreme Court and will go off Scott Free....sucks doesn't it??

Yes, he and Barr have been working on putting holes in the foundations of our democracy, brick by brick. 

One thing that gives me hope is Supreme Court rules on issues of law, e.g. interpretation of constitution, whether laws are constitutional, etc.   So, Supreme Court cannot say the trier of fact below determined facts incorrectly, but they can say that new law of the land is that ex-president cannot be prosecuted.  However, if they do something like that, they will be setting precedence for the future.  So, they will have to be careful to say the equivalent of something like president is above the law.

I feel some hope with the Supreme Court Justices, even if nominated by Republicans, to protect our democracy because they will be somewhat bound by past precedence and will have to be cognizant of setting precedence for the future.

If the supreme court gets obviously partisan (which i doubt) than voters will be ok with Biden stacking supreme court.

But regardless Democrats have the green light to do whatever their numbers allow. Trump/Republicans have said historical precedents no longer matter.

Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LearningMachine on October 17, 2020, 09:56:23 PM
^Yeah, but the problem you are going to have:  Once Amy Barrett gets confirmed, Trump will have his court stacked. If/when convicted, he'll just
eventually appeal to his Supreme Court and will go off Scott Free....sucks doesn't it??

Yes, he and Barr have been working on putting holes in the foundations of our democracy, brick by brick. 

One thing that gives me hope is Supreme Court rules on issues of law, e.g. interpretation of constitution, whether laws are constitutional, etc.   So, Supreme Court cannot say the trier of fact below determined facts incorrectly, but they can say that new law of the land is that ex-president cannot be prosecuted.  However, if they do something like that, they will be setting precedence for the future.  So, they will have to be careful to say the equivalent of something like president is above the law.

I feel some hope with the Supreme Court Justices, even if nominated by Republicans, to protect our democracy because they will be somewhat bound by past precedence and will have to be cognizant of setting precedence for the future.

If the supreme court gets obviously partisan (which i doubt) than voters will be ok with Biden stacking supreme court.

But regardless Democrats have the green light to do whatever their numbers allow. Trump/Republicans have said historical precedents no longer matter.

Just to clarify, I think we might have mixed two types of precedence (1) What presidents and the majority party in the senate/congress follow, etc., and (2) Written case law, i.e. all levels of courts needing to be consistent with earlier written decisions, and when deviating, having to provide written reasoning, which will form written precedence for future cases.

While Trump/Republicans may choose to ignore #1, #2 is much stronger and forms one of the most established principles in all federal and state courts.  Also, because it has to be written, it becomes subject to scrutiny from a lot of eyes.  So, courts have to go to extreme lengths to make sure their written decisions are logically solid to withstand scrutiny from thousands of lawyers who can see through inaccurate statements and conclusions that are not entirely logical (unlike general public), now and in the future.  Having inaccurate statements or illogical conclusions, e.g. the kinds of things that Trump, Barr and Republicans do, won't go by easily in courts' written decisions. 
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: adesigar on October 17, 2020, 10:53:19 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 17, 2020, 10:58:26 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: adesigar on October 17, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Cardboard, I don't mind you voicing your opinion, but often you tread masochistic, racist or homophobic thin lines.  For example, this post and turning Obama into Obounga is borderline racist.  The next comment that treads that line gets you permanently kicked out! 

Also, the whole birther thing, which even Trump doesn't support anymore is also blatantly racist.  If Obama was white, you wouldn't even suggest it...like no one suggests it with Trump.  How you twist names for Kamala, or other minority politicians, also underlines either a complete lack of respect for other people, or racist tendencies. 

It won't be tolerated anymore.  Cheers!

Parsed YOU are part of the problem. The warnings should have been given the first time it happened. You let it go on for so long that they assumed it was ok. Why are there even temporary bans for rascist and sexist comments? Why are there temporary bans for people who wish ill on others? Why isnít it an instant permaban? Why have you been ok with these comments for so long?
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: adesigar on October 17, 2020, 11:20:11 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

Yeah cause thatís the same as

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vDi7WoY39MA

How difficult is it to get right when you type it? Whatís you excuse there? Why have you been using ďKoomalaĒ when in the same sentence you type the names of other Democrats properly?


example.
Yes Viking, that is true, but choosing socialism over a conservative you dont like is a little bit of a stretch. And as Ive said before, I try not to lump you into the same category as some of the other fruitcakes....but the position can be perplexing when observing it the way you do. How does any "conservative" support a solution that includes the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Koomala Harris, etc? You dont like Trump; fine. Perfectly reasonable. Dislike him so much you choose to support the antithesis of what you claim to be?(conservative)..tough sell.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 17, 2020, 11:25:35 PM
We get it. Everything is racist! Except when you call Trump something other than by his name... not racist of course.

Go fly a kite.

Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Parsad on October 17, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

It's not mispronunciation, but alludes to African descent by misconstruing the name.  The same way people used to turn Obama into Osama to try and bring up a Muslim link to the President.  It's a subtle racist gesture.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 17, 2020, 11:41:35 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

It's not mispronunciation, but alludes to African descent by misconstruing the name.  The same way people used to turn Obama into Osama to try and bring up a Muslim link to the President.  It's a subtle racist gesture.  Cheers!

Yea but Koomala isn't African Sanjeev.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Parsad on October 18, 2020, 12:11:51 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

It's not mispronunciation, but alludes to African descent by misconstruing the name.  The same way people used to turn Obama into Osama to try and bring up a Muslim link to the President.  It's a subtle racist gesture.  Cheers!

Yea but Koomala isn't African Sanjeev.

Kamala isn't African...it's Indian.  But Koomala makes allusions to Kamala's African-Jamaican background by mispronouncing her name.  That she is not somehow American or born American.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 18, 2020, 07:01:41 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

These people are deplorables, irredeemables, Wal-mart shoppers, racists, and the uneducated masses - of course they can't spell!

Too bad they are going to re-elect President Trump!

They should be banned from voting.

Here are directions to the proper thread:

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/whoever-votes-for-trump-is-a-fool/

Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 18, 2020, 07:33:38 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Cardboard, I don't mind you voicing your opinion, but often you tread masochistic, racist or homophobic thin lines.  For example, this post and turning Obama into Obounga is borderline racist.  The next comment that treads that line gets you permanently kicked out! 

Also, the whole birther thing, which even Trump doesn't support anymore is also blatantly racist.  If Obama was white, you wouldn't even suggest it...like no one suggests it with Trump.  How you twist names for Kamala, or other minority politicians, also underlines either a complete lack of respect for other people, or racist tendencies. 

It won't be tolerated anymore.  Cheers!

Parsed YOU are part of the problem. The warnings should have been given the first time it happened. You let it go on for so long that they assumed it was ok. Why are there even temporary bans for rascist and sexist comments? Why are there temporary bans for people who wish ill on others? Why isnít it an instant permaban? Why have you been ok with these comments for so long?

According to these folks, the things in bold are them just "being conservative" (after all, that's why they claim they were banned).

An insult to conservatives everywhere !
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 18, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
I kind of agree with parsad on a lot of this. Cardboard in addition to being racist and possibly getting you blocked what win do you see here?  Are you actually a racist, if not what are you accomplishing.   You do realize we are fighting for centric voters?  You do realize even existing conservative base has huge numbers of minorities.  Stop acting like a clown buddy, these guys are easily defeated but you do have to use logic. 

That said, the whole birther thing, in theory, is 100% fair play. I really don't believe the birther theory myself but this is the garbage from the left that drives me crazy.  Trying to shut down stories because you have this chain of breadcrumbs that is claimed to lead to racism.  We aren't going to be censored from talking a story.  Its similar to trumps tax returns , we wanted to know if he was hiding something. 
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: adesigar on October 18, 2020, 08:31:10 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

These people are deplorables, irredeemables, Wal-mart shoppers, racists, and the uneducated masses - of course they can't spell!

Too bad they are going to re-elect President Trump!

They should be banned from voting.

Here are directions to the proper thread:

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/whoever-votes-for-trump-is-a-fool/

I donít know what youíre talking about. Deplorable  and rascist maybe. Irredeemable possibly.

What does Walmart shopper have to do with anything? I shop at Walmart. A lot of people I know shop at Walmart. Also what do uneducated people have to do with any of this. I know a lot of people who donít have much education and are just amazing, nice, kind and caring people who would never hurt a fly or say anything that would hurt someoneís feeling. Why are you insulting the Walmart shoppers and uneducated by lumping them with people who are rascist? Education and money have nothing to do with Rascism. Arenít these very comments coming from people who claim to be well educated and/or rich?

People can vote for whoever they want. That doesnít make rascist comments ok.

Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 18, 2020, 09:01:29 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

These people are deplorables, irredeemables, Wal-mart shoppers, racists, and the uneducated masses - of course they can't spell!

Too bad they are going to re-elect President Trump!

They should be banned from voting.

Here are directions to the proper thread:

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/whoever-votes-for-trump-is-a-fool/

I donít know what youíre talking about. Deplorable  and rascist maybe. Irredeemable possibly.

What does Walmart shopper have to do with anything? I shop at Walmart. A lot of people I know shop at Walmart. Also what do uneducated people have to do with any of this. I know a lot of people who donít have much education and are just amazing, nice, kind and caring people who would never hurt a fly or say anything that would hurt someoneís feeling. Why are you insulting the Walmart shoppers and uneducated by lumping them with people who are rascist? Education and money have nothing to do with Rascism. Arenít these very comments coming from people who claim to be well educated and/or rich?

People can vote for whoever they want. That doesnít make rascist comments ok.

Well for one, when I earlier made a remark about how some people shouldn't be allowed to vote, it was met with a response that "poor white people" were the ones that shouldn't be able to vote. Imagine substituting other "colors" in for white? You Sallys would lose your shit and hoot and holler racist from the mountain tops.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 18, 2020, 09:10:20 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

It's not mispronunciation, but alludes to African descent by misconstruing the name.  The same way people used to turn Obama into Osama to try and bring up a Muslim link to the President.  It's a subtle racist gesture.  Cheers!

Yea but Koomala isn't African Sanjeev.

Kamala isn't African...it's Indian.  But Koomala makes allusions to Kamala's African-Jamaican background by mispronouncing her name.  That she is not somehow American or born American.  Cheers!

I think you're getting a little too far down the rabbit hole of interpreting everyones psychological origin of their comments. Leave that for the scam artists like tarot card readers and psychologists/psychiatrists...

But on a similar note, I was surprised to see several liberal publications shoot out articles pumping Koomala's tires shortly after the VP nod. Particular one titled "How to Pronounce Kamala Harris's name"...For one, these articles reeked of non-white privilege. I didn't see one article about how to pronounce Mike Pence's name? My original thought was that this was simply a racist slight towards white folks but on second thought it may simply have been an anti-Catholic thing.

Let's face it. Harris is only on the VP ticket for one reason; and that it so they can play the identity politics game and attempt to appeal to all the boxes they claim she checks on the "historic first for America" and diversity checklist. Yes including her fabricated African American background. Its shallow and shows what the puppet masters of the DNC think of their bases. The big mistake many think they made in 2016 is having two white people run. Now they are right back at home with the current setup. Anyone who criticizes or questions the ticket is a racist...

The birther thing I dont care for but never considered it more than just politics. The left again turns it into a race thing. As I mentioned before, Democrats did the birther thing with John McCain...Get over it.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Buckeye on October 18, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

It's not mispronunciation, but alludes to African descent by misconstruing the name.  The same way people used to turn Obama into Osama to try and bring up a Muslim link to the President.  It's a subtle racist gesture.  Cheers!

Yea but Koomala isn't African Sanjeev.

Kamala isn't African...it's Indian.  But Koomala makes allusions to Kamala's African-Jamaican background by mispronouncing her name.  That she is not somehow American or born American.  Cheers!

I think you're getting a little too far down the rabbit hole of interpreting everyones psychological origin of their comments. Leave that for the scam artists like tarot card readers and psychologists/psychiatrists...

But on a similar note, I was surprised to see several liberal publications shoot out articles pumping Koomala's tires shortly after the VP nod. Particular one titled "How to Pronounce Kamala Harris's name"...For one, these articles reeked of non-white privilege. I didn't see one article about how to pronounce Mike Pence's name? My original thought was that this was simply a racist slight towards white folks but on second thought it may simply have been an anti-Catholic thing.

Let's face it. Harris is only on the VP ticket for one reason; and that it so they can play the identity politics game and attempt to appeal to all the boxes they claim she checks on the "historic first for America" and diversity checklist. Yes including her fabricated African American background. Its shallow and shows what the puppet masters of the DNC think of their bases. The big mistake many think they made in 2016 is having two white people run. Now they are right back at home with the current setup. Anyone who criticizes or questions the ticket is a racist...

The birther thing I dont care for but never considered it more than just politics. The left again turns it into a race thing. As I mentioned before, Democrats did the birther thing with John McCain...Get over it.

Wow, Gregmal, lots to distill here. Do you think people need help understanding how to properly pronounce Mr. Penceís last name? And if so, you think the lack of a statement by Liberal publications on how to pronounce Pence is either a racist slight against white people or an anti-Catholic thing?

And then to say that Ms. Harris was only chosen so the democrats can play identity politics. If we assume that is true (which I donít agree that it is) would you agree that maybe Mr. Pence was only chosen to advance a Republican strategy? And if so then what the hell is a difference? And what exactly your point?
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 18, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

These people are deplorables, irredeemables, Wal-mart shoppers, racists, and the uneducated masses - of course they can't spell!

Too bad they are going to re-elect President Trump!

They should be banned from voting.

Here are directions to the proper thread:

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/whoever-votes-for-trump-is-a-fool/

I donít know what youíre talking about. Deplorable  and rascist maybe. Irredeemable possibly.

What does Walmart shopper have to do with anything? I shop at Walmart. A lot of people I know shop at Walmart. Also what do uneducated people have to do with any of this. I know a lot of people who donít have much education and are just amazing, nice, kind and caring people who would never hurt a fly or say anything that would hurt someoneís feeling. Why are you insulting the Walmart shoppers and uneducated by lumping them with people who are rascist? Education and money have nothing to do with Rascism. Arenít these very comments coming from people who claim to be well educated and/or rich?

People can vote for whoever they want. That doesnít make rascist comments ok.

Dude - sorry you missed the joke - just feel free to disregard.... I love Walmart by the way. Might google Peter Strzok and see what he thinks of Wal-Mart shoppers. Check out what Hillary and Obama referred to middle Americans as....all those people with no teeth, etc.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cwericb on October 18, 2020, 12:09:58 PM
When you lack legitimate points, resort to name calling.

It is about time this subject was brought up and I commented on Cardboardís recurring ďdyslexiaĒ a few days ago.

It is pretty sad when some have to resort to calling others childish names and making fun of anyone with an ethnic name. Apparently, if you lack any substantial credible points and if you feel threatened by someone from a different background - well  - try name calling. These are the same people who like to tell immigrants Ďgo back where you came fromĒ. The irony is that they are all are descendants of immigrants themselves. So much for the great American melting pot.

But why is it always the Right Wing posters that constantly misspell and call the left by names? It just seems so childish. Of course the answer is that they are just mimicking their Leaderís juvenile behavior. Most sensible people find Trump's childish actions embarrasing.

Then again, ANYONE who disagrees with the Right Wing Team is automatically a ďliberalĒ or ďleft wingĒ - or more often ďLibtardsĒ or ďDemoratsĒ-  even though many of us are actually center or somewhat right of center. But when you are that extreme right, everyone else is left wing.

It is really hard to take people seriously when they do this.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cubsfan on October 18, 2020, 12:33:57 PM
^ Don't be so self righteous  --- there is plenty of dishonesty, name calling, labeling , etc from your side as well. I could provide you with an endless list.

You want to single Cardboard out - look in the mirror yourself.

Don't kid yourself - we don't take much of what you say seriously either.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: cwericb on October 18, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
"...we don't take much of what you say seriously either."

Yeah Cubs, but that could be your problem right there. :)
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Gregmal on October 18, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
Did Obounga get locked up for: "You can keep your doctor?"

Orchestrating a cover up of Libya ambassador killing?

Then most probably for lying about his true birth place?

Cardboard

Curious how the only names you guys donít spell properly are Obama and Kamala? I know that for some reason Republicans and Fox News canít pronounce the names but you canít even spell them?

It must be because only racists mispronounce those names!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZdmVGoKK8

It's not mispronunciation, but alludes to African descent by misconstruing the name.  The same way people used to turn Obama into Osama to try and bring up a Muslim link to the President.  It's a subtle racist gesture.  Cheers!

Yea but Koomala isn't African Sanjeev.

Kamala isn't African...it's Indian.  But Koomala makes allusions to Kamala's African-Jamaican background by mispronouncing her name.  That she is not somehow American or born American.  Cheers!

I think you're getting a little too far down the rabbit hole of interpreting everyones psychological origin of their comments. Leave that for the scam artists like tarot card readers and psychologists/psychiatrists...

But on a similar note, I was surprised to see several liberal publications shoot out articles pumping Koomala's tires shortly after the VP nod. Particular one titled "How to Pronounce Kamala Harris's name"...For one, these articles reeked of non-white privilege. I didn't see one article about how to pronounce Mike Pence's name? My original thought was that this was simply a racist slight towards white folks but on second thought it may simply have been an anti-Catholic thing.

Let's face it. Harris is only on the VP ticket for one reason; and that it so they can play the identity politics game and attempt to appeal to all the boxes they claim she checks on the "historic first for America" and diversity checklist. Yes including her fabricated African American background. Its shallow and shows what the puppet masters of the DNC think of their bases. The big mistake many think they made in 2016 is having two white people run. Now they are right back at home with the current setup. Anyone who criticizes or questions the ticket is a racist...

The birther thing I dont care for but never considered it more than just politics. The left again turns it into a race thing. As I mentioned before, Democrats did the birther thing with John McCain...Get over it.

Wow, Gregmal, lots to distill here. Do you think people need help understanding how to properly pronounce Mr. Penceís last name? And if so, you think the lack of a statement by Liberal publications on how to pronounce Pence is either a racist slight against white people or an anti-Catholic thing?

And then to say that Ms. Harris was only chosen so the democrats can play identity politics. If we assume that is true (which I donít agree that it is) would you agree that maybe Mr. Pence was only chosen to advance a Republican strategy? And if so then what the hell is a difference? And what exactly your point?

The point, sarcasm and all, is that the majority of the MSM push, and a very high percentage of the Democrat platform is blatantly race rhetoric driven and on a strategic level...outlandishly simple and downright racist. When you reverse the role, and imagine things the other way around...as you see. Its preposterous. Mispronouncing one name is racist. Another one is not. But some people can mispronounce it, and its cool. Others, they must be racist.

I have no clue why Pence was chosen as VP but yes, I am sure there was some strategy to it. I dont think it was race pandering though. What was wrong with someone like Val Demmings? Not enough boxes checked is it really, along with several others. Harris was simply the most diversest contest winner, and its blatant when you look at the fact that they predetermined the fallacy of her African American status just to check off another one. Why is it that the Democratic Party is so obsessed with objectifying people on a racial/gender basis? Cant peoples qualities speak for themselves? If I was their target audience I would be downright insulted that these people basically view certain groups as incapable handicaps who need all sorts of special help and treatment and constant adjustments in order to compete with the rest of society.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Castanza on October 18, 2020, 04:40:44 PM
Let’s make a deal

If conservatives can’t construe names on here then lefties shouldn’t be able to mock people of faith on this board. There have been plenty of attacks from Liberty, Viking, Jurgis, LC, rb and many others without provocation regarding faith. Yet nothing is said about that?

Personally I couldn’t care less. I think the world is a better place when we can all point and laugh at each other in some ways. Although I do agree blatant racism takes away from the professionalism of this board.

Perhaps a voting system? If a post receives 10 votes for being offensive then it’s automatically removed or quarantined until reviewed by a moderator.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Parsad on October 18, 2020, 04:48:40 PM
Letís make a deal

If conservatives canít construe names on here then lefties shouldnít be able to mock people of faith on this board. There have been plenty of attacks from Liberty, Viking, Jurgis, LC, rb and many others without provocation regarding faith. Yet nothing is said about that?

Personally I couldnít care less. I think the world is a better place when we can all point and laugh at each other in some ways. Although I do agree blatant racism takes away from the professionalism of this board.

Perhaps a voting system? If a post receives 10 votes for being offensive then itís automatically removed or quarantined until reviewed by a moderator.

Mocking a faith is frowned upon.  Discussion around faith is fine. 

Just like discussions around politics/party lines is fine...but racist, homophobic attacks, including untruths like the birther movement are frowned upon.   Cheers!
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: LC on October 18, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
Thatís quite an unsupported accusation, Castanza.

Personally I find it inconsistent that it is justified to criticize believing some things without evidence (anti-vaxxers, for example). But once it becomes about ďfaithĒ or ďgodĒ, now we must walk on eggshells.

That said I donít recall ever levying ad-hominem at anyone over their faith. To do so would undercut the obvious and  legitimate criticisms of religious faith.

To the point, the disparaging names that some posters call these politicians (and the obvious racial undertones) donít phase me.

If anything, it is a giant white flag of surrender, that they canít make a rational argument to support their position.

And finally, it does contribute to a loss of reputation. It makes me less willing to engage in discussion with someone, when they have a history of resorting to personal attacks.
Title: Re: Probability of Trump fleeing the U.S. before January 20, 2021 and where?
Post by: Viking on October 18, 2020, 10:04:55 PM
Letís make a deal

If conservatives canít construe names on here then lefties shouldnít be able to mock people of faith on this board. There have been plenty of attacks from Liberty, Viking, Jurgis, LC, rb and many others without provocation regarding faith. Yet nothing is said about that?

Personally I couldnít care less. I think the world is a better place when we can all point and laugh at each other in some ways. Although I do agree blatant racism takes away from the professionalism of this board.

Perhaps a voting system? If a post receives 10 votes for being offensive then itís automatically removed or quarantined until reviewed by a moderator.

Castanza, please provide an example of where i have Ďattackedí regarding faith. Otherwise, please acknowledge your error.