Where is Cwericb and Viking?

[orthopa]

“If every model saw it coming how come it wasnt prevented? Logic when then tell you someone has to be to blame.
That being said if it cant be prevented, why all the finger pointing across the border?”

That would appear to be typical U.S. right wing thinking. If we can’t prevent it lets just ignore it and “sometime it will just go away” - sometime - perhaps. Meanwhile 220,000 people die and the figure continues to go up.

Every person with half a clue knows that the one simple thing to help reduce the spread is to wear a mask when in close proximity to others. So it is inexcusable for Trump to politicize something so simple and so important as the wearing of masks.

If the US allows the spread to continue with virtually no direction from the top, then the US becomes a danger to everyone else. Take trucking for example. There are 80,000 to 90,000 trucks entering Canada from the U.S. every week. And that doesn’t include all of the other essential cross border traffic. When the U.S. can’t take reasonably responsible steps to reduce the spread of the virus it has a direct effect on its neighbours. And that is why Canadians have a vested interest in what happens in the U.S. If you worked in an office and half the staff had an infectious disease, would you still go to work? Well we can’t just stay home.

I don't know about other areas, but when we get new cases of Covid, it is usually traced back to "international essential travel" i.e. Truckers or others crossing into Canada from the U.S.

I hope this answers your question and helps explain the situation from this side of the border.

So Canadas covid cases are all from US citizens? That's your person or persons to blame?

[Cardboard]

Probably from New Brunswick or some other paranoid place.

Cardboard

[cubsfan]

Probably from New Brunswick or some other paranoid place.

Cardboard

Don't forget about the "super-spreader" Trump - always someone to blame!

[Gregmal]

Obviously if leadership in the Great White North was all its cracked up to be, everyone would be wearing masks and covid cases would be approaching zero by now.

Anything else would be a false equivalency! Because Trump supporters just dont get the magic of socialist politicians who describe themselves as socialist politicians but clearly arent socialists....did I miss anything?

[Cigarbutt]

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Don't forget about the "super-spreader" Trump - always someone to blame!

Cubsfan,
You may remember a discussion of the virus using the Trojan Horse analogy. The 'experience' in Canada has been variable. BC (Viking) and Eastern Canada (cwericb) have done very well because they accepted the gift but contained the spread. Those regions may have been endowed with pre-existing positive predispositions and and luck may have played a role but they did very well with the factors that they could control. My province (central Canada) has shown results comparable to the US (overall deaths etc) and, somehow, in my area, there is very little appetite for humble and constructive efforts at cause(s) comprehension. Most people are suggesting to extend and to pretend which i find perplexing.
Anyways, from a pure spread point of view, using various inputs including genomic data, and simply focusing mechanically on the proximate cause aspect, most of the viral spread, in my province, came from viruses originating from China, travelling to Europe and making its way into my province mostly through various New York area transits.
Looking at official data for immediate source of spread (there is a degree of uncertainty here), most new cases in Canada (except Prince Edward Island) arise from the community and not from international exposure.
Allowing community spread has been tried using various strategies and results have been disappointing especially when the message is delayed, unclear, inconsistent and poorly coordinated. Scotland recently published an interesting report (to try to guide a sensible and graduated re-opening strategy) which included a graph (see below) estimating the sources of community spread and i would submit that it's a reasonable template for all regions that have been characterized by persistent spread. It may be useful info for you if you wonder about mask wearing or about where you should spend your leisure time (you can better adjust your behaviors if you want to (or don't want to) catch the virus).

[Spekulatius]

^ Interesting to see a high probability from Friend and family gatherings. Anecdotally, that seems to be the case in Continental Europe as well. We have largely avoiding gathering with friends (at least indoors), but have met some of them outdoors.  Both my wife and my own family live far away, so meetings with them are not an option anyways.

Hospitality in Scotland probably means pubs. Well, it’s not hard to guess that pubs and bars are probably places to avoid, if you want to avoid the virus.

Family cluster transmission no surprise. Once a family member gets it, it is likely that all family members are exposed and possibly infected before the member who introduced the virus even knows he has COVID-19. So there is  to much that can be done about this except for every family member avoiding exposure.

[orthopa]

^ Interesting to see a high probability from Friend and family gatherings. Anecdotally, that seems to be the case in Continental Europe as well. We have largely avoiding gathering with friends (at least indoors), but have met some of them outdoors.  Both my wife and my own family live far away, so meetings with them are not an option anyways.

Hospitality in Scotland probably means pubs. Well, it’s not hard to guess that pubs and bars are probably places to avoid, if you want to avoid the virus.

Family cluster transmission no surprise. Once a family member gets it, it is likely that all family members are exposed and possibly infected before the member who introduced the virus even knows he has COVID-19. So there is  to much that can be done about this except for every family member avoiding exposure.

Interesting. Would have been good if we thought about this before locking everyone down in their homes back in March huh?

[Cigarbutt]

^ Interesting to see a high probability from Friend and family gatherings. Anecdotally, that seems to be the case in Continental Europe as well. We have largely avoiding gathering with friends (at least indoors), but have met some of them outdoors.  Both my wife and my own family live far away, so meetings with them are not an option anyways.
Hospitality in Scotland probably means pubs. Well, it’s not hard to guess that pubs and bars are probably places to avoid, if you want to avoid the virus.
Family cluster transmission no surprise. Once a family member gets it, it is likely that all family members are exposed and possibly infected before the member who introduced the virus even knows he has COVID-19. So there is  to much that can be done about this except for every family member avoiding exposure.

^Let's say you're in charge of policy making and you see those cases rising (and hospitalization rates) and you saw (somehow) bodies building up during the last phase, what do you do now?
Why restrictions on restaurants, bars or pubs and not on shopping centers? There is high residual uncertainty and decisions have to be taken. Measures can be more targeted and temporary but we are still flying blind to some degree.
One aspect is social acceptability. Some of this is fact-based but there are a lot of beliefs. Recently, i've had personal discussions with people (who are quite knowledgeable) who support the Great Barrington Declaration (aim for herd immunity with an ill-defined strategy to protect those at risk). The discussion is very interesting for the aspect dealing with the costs of restrictions because the costs are very real. It's really hard to get the discussion going though when they (most of them) seem to suggest that (irrespective of costs) restrictions actually caused an increase in disease burden?

[cwericb]

“If every model saw it coming how come it wasnt prevented? Logic when then tell you someone has to be to blame.
That being said if it cant be prevented, why all the finger pointing across the border?”

That would appear to be typical U.S. right wing thinking. If we can’t prevent it lets just ignore it and “sometime it will just go away” - sometime - perhaps. Meanwhile 220,000 people die and the figure continues to go up.

Every person with half a clue knows that the one simple thing to help reduce the spread is to wear a mask when in close proximity to others. So it is inexcusable for Trump to politicize something so simple and so important as the wearing of masks.

If the US allows the spread to continue with virtually no direction from the top, then the US becomes a danger to everyone else. Take trucking for example. There are 80,000 to 90,000 trucks entering Canada from the U.S. every week. And that doesn’t include all of the other essential cross border traffic. When the U.S. can’t take reasonably responsible steps to reduce the spread of the virus it has a direct effect on its neighbours. And that is why Canadians have a vested interest in what happens in the U.S. If you worked in an office and half the staff had an infectious disease, would you still go to work? Well we can’t just stay home.

I don't know about other areas, but when we get new cases of Covid, it is usually traced back to "international essential travel" i.e. Truckers or others crossing into Canada from the U.S.

I hope this answers your question and helps explain the situation from this side of the border.

So Canadas covid cases are all from US citizens? That's your person or persons to blame?

Once again an attempt to twist what others say.

Please show where I said: "Canadas covid cases are all from US citizens"
Pretty lame.