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Schwab711

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2018, 12:32:26 PM »
Everyone on this board understands you didn't like Obama and you don't like liberals. Everyday is another 10 posts repeating the same damn thing. Give it a rest. Your negativity is contagious.


cubsfan

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2018, 12:35:46 PM »
Everyone on this board understands you didn't like Obama and you don't like liberals. Everyday is another 10 posts repeating the same damn thing. Give it a rest. Your negativity is contagious.

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You have an ignore button, so use it.

Schwab711

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2018, 12:46:56 PM »
Everyone on this board understands you didn't like Obama and you don't like liberals. Everyday is another 10 posts repeating the same damn thing. Give it a rest. Your negativity is contagious.

KMA Schwab

You have an ignore button, so use it.

You have other options online to vent at, so use them. It works both ways. Me ignoring you or not doesn't fix the problem on this forum. We are losing quality posters and there's constant political complaints on the new posts. This is an investing forum. I'm not the best person to write this because I've written about politics quite a bit too. Either way, I'm not saying don't post about politics. I just think it's ironic you are so damn repetitively negative in a thread that's about bridging "friction between members [of this forum]", written by a person that agrees with most of your views. I question why I bother writing on or even checking this forum anymore. It's a negative environment with little to offer lately, investing-wise.

That brings me back to the bolded part.

Edit: I didn't know how to write this without sounding like the forum's cop or moderator. I'm not, I don't want to be, and no one else wants me to be either. I gave my opinion. I assume you are an adult and you'll make your own choices. You give your opinion on a lot of topics and ask for people to be open-minded. I ask for the same now.
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cubsfan

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 12:55:13 PM »
Everyone on this board understands you didn't like Obama and you don't like liberals. Everyday is another 10 posts repeating the same damn thing. Give it a rest. Your negativity is contagious.

KMA Schwab

You have an ignore button, so use it.

You have other options online to vent at, so use them. It works both ways. Me ignoring you or not doesn't fix the problem on this forum. We are losing quality posters and there's constant political complaints on the new posts. This is an investing forum. I'm not the best person to write this because I've written about politics quite a bit too. Either way, I'm not saying don't post about politics. I just think it's ironic you are so damn repetitively negative in a thread that's about bridging "friction between members [of this forum]", written by a person that agrees with most of your views. I question why I bother writing on or even checking this forum anymore. It's a negative environment with little to offer lately, investing-wise.

That brings me back to the bolded part.

Schwab - I could care less what you think.  Which brings me back to the bolded part.

This is a Politics Forum NOT an Investment Forum. Deal with it accordingly.

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 01:03:35 PM »
Everyone on this board understands you didn't like Obama and you don't like liberals. Everyday is another 10 posts repeating the same damn thing. Give it a rest. Your negativity is contagious.

KMA Schwab

You have an ignore button, so use it.

You have other options online to vent at, so use them. It works both ways. Me ignoring you or not doesn't fix the problem on this forum. We are losing quality posters and there's constant political complaints on the new posts. This is an investing forum. I'm not the best person to write this because I've written about politics quite a bit too. Either way, I'm not saying don't post about politics. I just think it's ironic you are so damn repetitively negative in a thread that's about bridging "friction between members [of this forum]", written by a person that agrees with most of your views. I question why I bother writing on or even checking this forum anymore. It's a negative environment with little to offer lately, investing-wise.

That brings me back to the bolded part.

Edit: I didn't know how to write this without sounding like the forum's cop or moderator. I'm not, I don't want to be, and no one else wants me to be either. I gave my opinion. I assume you are an adult and you'll make your own choices. You give your opinion on a lot of topics and ask for people to be open-minded. I ask for the same now.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't know why we label this a politics problem. Maybe people utilize other forms, simply because 90% of the stuff here over maybe the last 6-12 months(that I've noticed), in terms of investing discussion, is stupid, redundant crap about "oh gee, you think BRK.B is cheap?" or "should I buy more FFH here?". I am aware of the title of the site, but for instance, if we had more DTE1997's I'm sure the quality of investing idea related discussion increases.

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2018, 06:03:36 PM »
At current prices there's actually not much to invest in these days. So that probably explains the lack of investing ideas. Politics is one way to pass the time.

Discussion actually reflects the current state of affairs. Ignoring it would be a little like taking the ostrich way out.

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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2018, 06:32:18 PM »
Interesting perspective MarkS.

I would say though that polarization is a bilateral issue (especially in the US).
http://www.people-press.org/2018/09/13/republicans-democrats-see-opposing-party-as-more-ideological-than-their-own/

Anecdotally, we had a family discussion last night about our upcoming provincial election (irrelevant to you). Interestingly, the discussion was quite heated and the four of us voting today (with two voting in their first provincial election) will likely vote for four different parties! I would criticize that such a result (diffuse) is likely not the best outcome. I would say however that polarization, like inequality, is a good thing up to a certain point as linking up to a bundled position at any price may end up costing you on the coherence side. (That conclusion is showing up in certain political posts) :)

The polarization in both the right and left is very unfortunate and as a German I cannot help but see that a similar issue p caused the downfall of the Weimar Republik. To have no middle ground and opposing parties poles that despise the opposition is very damaging and the US seems to head this way. The problem is that Trump is very polarizing and makes absolutely no effort to reach a middle ground. I never felt this way about any other president so far.
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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2018, 07:57:02 PM »
The polarization in both the right and left is very unfortunate and as a German I cannot help but see that a similar issue p caused the downfall of the Weimar Republik. To have no middle ground and opposing parties poles that despise the opposition is very damaging and the US seems to head this way. The problem is that Trump is very polarizing and makes absolutely no effort to reach a middle ground. I never felt this way about any other president so far.
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At current prices there's actually not much to invest in these days. So that probably explains the lack of investing ideas. Politics is one way to pass the time.
Discussion actually reflects the current state of affairs. Ignoring it would be a little like taking the ostrich way out.
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The absence of screaming buys and the current environment can be disturbing.
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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2018, 03:52:09 AM »

 To have no middle ground and opposing parties poles that despise the opposition is very damaging and the US seems to head this way. The problem is that Trump is very polarizing and makes absolutely no effort to reach a middle ground.

I don't think this is correct. Trump is a centrist - the right wing of the Republican Party does not like him, because he's too moderate.
And certainly the left wing and majority of Democratic Party despises him.  But the Trump government of today, looks much more like
the Bill Clinton government of the mid 1990's.  Trump is bringing government back to the center - respect for the military, respect for police,
strong foreign policy (not an apologist), backing Israel, respect for borders, economic focused.

And Trump does not apologize for being American, like Obama.

You can dislike his methods - but his "polarization" is because the previous administration went so far to the left and used identity politics
to brand anyone that did not agree with them as racist, homophobic or sexist.  He fights fire with fire. Look no further than the failure of
Mitt Romney and John McCain - who were so "nice" as not to play dirty like the left. Unfortunately that is our politics today.

From day 1 - the Democrats made it obvious they would NEVER work with Trump - NEVER.  A large majority of the Democrats boycotted
the Presidential inauguration - on the first day!  Our country always prided itself on "Peaceful transition of Power" after Presidential elections.
Democrats totally broke with tradition and started calling for impeachment day one. 

Just ask yourself a common sense question:  How do you work with a party like that?
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Re: Great article by Shelby Steele
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2018, 06:49:17 AM »

 To have no middle ground and opposing parties poles that despise the opposition is very damaging and the US seems to head this way. The problem is that Trump is very polarizing and makes absolutely no effort to reach a middle ground.

I don't think this is correct. Trump is a centrist - the right wing of the Republican Party does not like him, because he's too moderate.
And certainly the left wing and majority of Democratic Party despises him.  But the Trump government of today, looks much more like
the Bill Clinton government of the mid 1990's.  Trump is bringing government back to the center - respect for the military, respect for police,
strong foreign policy (not an apologist), backing Israel, respect for borders, economic focused.

And Trump does not apologize for being American, like Obama.

You can dislike his methods - but his "polarization" is because the previous administration went so far to the left and used identity politics
to brand anyone that did not agree with them as racist, homophobic or sexist.  He fights fire with fire. Look no further than the failure of
Mitt Romney and John McCain - who were so "nice" as not to play dirty like the left. Unfortunately that is our politics today.

From day 1 - the Democrats made it obvious they would NEVER work with Trump - NEVER.  A large majority of the Democrats boycotted
the Presidential inauguration - on the first day!  Our country always prided itself on "Peaceful transition of Power" after Presidential elections.
Democrats totally broke with tradition and started calling for impeachment day one. 

Just ask yourself a common sense question:  How do you work with a party like that?

These are the questions which always seem to draw crickets from Dougie, Liberty, LC and the rest of the crew. You might get called a name though.