Author Topic: Re: Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood, eugenicist?  (Read 1368 times)

stahleyp

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Re: Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood, eugenicist?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 05:35:27 AM »
I know Buffett and Munger are pro-choice and the general idea is that helps with population control (I can't argue with that). But...there are a lot of ways to control population that most folks wouldn't agree with. I'll also agree that if a mother wants to terminate a pregnancy, on average, the mother will probably be a worse mother and the child will have a worse life than if the child is born into a family that wants children.

With that said, if human life has intrinsic value (that's debatable), why is it okay to kill innocent human life?

Pro-choicers will say, well it isn't human. It's just a fetus. There are other animals that have fetuses. If it's not human, what is it, exactly? A fetus is a simply a stage in the lifespan of human -as is a baby, as is a toddler, as is a teenager, adult, etc.

They might say, "well, an embryo can't live on its own". Neither can a baby or someone on life support. Are they less human than an adult?

Now, if human life doesn't have intrinsic value, why care about social programs to help the needy or the less fortunate?

By the way, Roe in Roe vs Wade spent the rest of her life being pro-life, right?

Isn't abortion essentially referring another human as if they're property? Why is it okay to treat another human as if they're your property (treat and or kill them at will)? Why should we rein in the right of the mother, even after birth? After all, she brought the child into the world, why "violate' her "right" to take it out as she sees fit?

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Re: Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood, eugenicist?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 05:50:36 AM »
Another benefit of a free society, is that while vile, unintelligent, and backwards ideas will always exist, the freedom to express those ideas has the peculiar effect of emboldening those who are reasonable and kind against them.

That is completely false. A free society means anything goes as long as it is within the realm of morality and doesn't infringe on someone else's freedom. You're free to have an opinion, but if the action of something actually negatively affects someones personal freedom then an issue arises. Abortion does exactly that. Although even within the Libertarian party there are those that support abortion. Most would say they only support abortion in a life and death situation. Because typically taking the life of a baby is much greater of a violation of freedom compared to a mother having to carry a child to term for 9 months.


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Re: Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood, eugenicist?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 05:55:06 AM »
I've said it a million times but abortion is probably the last area where 50 years from now society will look back and go "WTF, they used to allow people to kill their babies???".

Same as we do now when learning that at one time in history women weren't able to vote or own property, and that blacks were only considered 3/5 of a person...Its just so despicable and mind boggling.

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Re: Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood, eugenicist?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 06:14:16 AM »


Isn't abortion essentially referring another human as if they're property? Why is it okay to treat another human as if they're your property (treat and or kill them at will)? Why should we rein in the right of the mother, even after birth? After all, she brought the child into the world, why "violate' her "right" to take it out as she sees fit?

This issue is not that much different than the slavery argument, although the left won't admit it.
You are my property - and you have no say in what I "choose" to do with you.

If you were unlucky enough to be a slave or presently unborn - you just have no rights or any voice in the matter.
No one but the mother or the slave owner can defend you. We can terminate you for convenience. Truly appalling.

After the Civil War - an enlightened country moved on from slavery - and hopefully abortion will move that way as well.


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