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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2019, 08:58:43 AM »
Like I said, even if he profits, I dont care. And cant help at laugh at all the people who are now "up in arms" over abuses of the system, after largely being oh so quiet about it until Trump took office. This type of stuff has been going on forever, by both this in office, and those who leave but still monetize the legacy. So unless you were vocally complaining about it before Trump, I just take the complaining about Trump, with a grain of salt...


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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2019, 09:02:10 AM »
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the real detail.

Its being done at cost. In other words, Trump makes no money.

Are you dropping your previous primary argument 'the real detail" and switching to rationalizations?

It seems to me that Trump is trying to prove that everyone is crooked and can't be trusted by using himself as an example. He is setting up a false dichotomy of it's either me, or the other guys who are worse. All the evidence points to him actually being much more corrupt. It's incredibly cynical to allow that when there might be other better options.

Just as "spend less at Doral or spend more somewhere else" may be a false dichotomy. Who said they have to spend more elsewhere? Do you have evidence?

I understand the frustration with other politicians, but choosing to overlook the sins of a politician who is likely setting all time records for political corruption is just inexplicable. Don't forget Trump's first big successes were mired in political/tax corruption. So this corruption goes back four decades. Here's an example just mentioned today in Politico. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/18/trump-giuliani-ukraine-lawyer-new-york-history-friendship-229857)

Plus the timing of this is likely a distraction technique. Trump would rather us argue about the legality of what he might do than the illegality of what he has already admitted to.

The real question is what would be a bridge to far for you Trump supporters? Is there anything he could do that would shake your confidence? If he announced he was suspending the constitution tomorrow and appointing himself King to protect us from AOC, would you accept that as reasonable and acceptable? Or would that seem to be selling a false dichotomy to and destroying our system of government?

Where did I say that? My comment was that the real detail(whether accurate or not), is that its said to be done at cost...to which you respond with all these speculations about "other ways" they are making money. Which if objective, you know is bullshit because there's not enough definitive detail to make a conclusion either way there, if solely going by verifiable facts... you accuse others of changing the argument, but it is often you who does it. My point...the reporting is leaving out reportable information. And in either event, I dont care if he is or isn't making money....simple enough.

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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2019, 09:04:04 AM »
Trump was born rich. He had an income of $200k per year in 1949 when he was 3 years old (which in today's dollar is more than a million dollars per year).

If he shows off his properties to some junior world leaders, his voters don't care.

That is why Trump has loyal voters - they can see the difference between him and Evasive Elizabeth aka Lying Liz.
I am confused. I thought the story was that Trump was self made and that he's worth hundreds of billions of dollars now. I just can't keep this straight. The truth is so much easier to remember.

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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2019, 09:04:20 AM »
"So unless you were vocally complaining about it before Trump, I just take the complaining about Trump, with a grain of salt..."

Yup! Pick and choose complaining. Very similar to hate speech.

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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2019, 09:14:06 AM »
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the real detail.

Its being done at cost. In other words, Trump makes no money.

Are you dropping your previous primary argument 'the real detail" and switching to rationalizations?

It seems to me that Trump is trying to prove that everyone is crooked and can't be trusted by using himself as an example. He is setting up a false dichotomy of it's either me, or the other guys who are worse. All the evidence points to him actually being much more corrupt. It's incredibly cynical to allow that when there might be other better options.

Just as "spend less at Doral or spend more somewhere else" may be a false dichotomy. Who said they have to spend more elsewhere? Do you have evidence?

I understand the frustration with other politicians, but choosing to overlook the sins of a politician who is likely setting all time records for political corruption is just inexplicable. Don't forget Trump's first big successes were mired in political/tax corruption. So this corruption goes back four decades. Here's an example just mentioned today in Politico. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/18/trump-giuliani-ukraine-lawyer-new-york-history-friendship-229857)

Plus the timing of this is likely a distraction technique. Trump would rather us argue about the legality of what he might do than the illegality of what he has already admitted to.

The real question is what would be a bridge to far for you Trump supporters? Is there anything he could do that would shake your confidence? If he announced he was suspending the constitution tomorrow and appointing himself King to protect us from AOC, would you accept that as reasonable and acceptable? Or would that seem to be selling a false dichotomy to and destroying our system of government?

Where did I say that? My comment was that the real detail(whether accurate or not), is that its said to be done at cost...to which you respond with all these speculations about "other ways" they are making money. Which if objective, you know is bullshit because there's not enough definitive detail to make a conclusion either way there, if solely going by verifiable facts... you accuse others of changing the argument, but it is often you who does it. My point...the reporting is leaving out reportable information. And in either event, I dont care if he is or isn't making money....simple enough.
Ok. I get what you are saying. You are more focussed on the belief that there is not cash cost to the government? Is that a more important element in your argument?

At the same time you did say "Trump makes no money". So it seems you are conceding the point that there is real value in bookings at cost due the fixed cost nature of the business, you just don't care or believe it is immaterial. I think I understand now.

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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2019, 09:19:18 AM »
"So unless you were vocally complaining about it before Trump, I just take the complaining about Trump, with a grain of salt..."

Yup! Pick and choose complaining. Very similar to hate speech.

Thats what they do...nitpick the minutae after burying heads in the sand for eternity, with the catalyst simply being someone they dont like is now in office....

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OMG, he's endorsing his property while president!!

me: so you're surprised by politicians exploiting the system?

but, but, Trump is using the office for ways that benefit him personally!

me: So you are surprised that politicians abuse the system and are likely corrupt?

Trump might be breaking the law!!!

me: You've never prior been aware that politicians abuse the system and the law all the time and have for centuries? You're either retarded or just hate Trump. Thats the gist.

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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2019, 09:19:54 AM »
Like I said, even if he profits, I dont care. And cant help at laugh at all the people who are now "up in arms" over abuses of the system, after largely being oh so quiet about it until Trump took office. This type of stuff has been going on forever, by both this in office, and those who leave but still monetize the legacy. So unless you were vocally complaining about it before Trump, I just take the complaining about Trump, with a grain of salt...

But you guys are the ones saying he was there to fix the problems?!  Which is it?  Is he there to fix the problems or grift the system more than any other administration?

He can't be there to fix the problems while creating more.  It's like calling the pest control guy to catch your rats, but he's the pied piper, brings in all of his rats and then bills you for it!  The biggest crooks were all in his own administration, including himself and his family.  Cheers!
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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2019, 09:21:50 AM »
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the real detail.

Its being done at cost. In other words, Trump makes no money.

Are you dropping your previous primary argument 'the real detail" and switching to rationalizations?

It seems to me that Trump is trying to prove that everyone is crooked and can't be trusted by using himself as an example. He is setting up a false dichotomy of it's either me, or the other guys who are worse. All the evidence points to him actually being much more corrupt. It's incredibly cynical to allow that when there might be other better options.

Just as "spend less at Doral or spend more somewhere else" may be a false dichotomy. Who said they have to spend more elsewhere? Do you have evidence?

I understand the frustration with other politicians, but choosing to overlook the sins of a politician who is likely setting all time records for political corruption is just inexplicable. Don't forget Trump's first big successes were mired in political/tax corruption. So this corruption goes back four decades. Here's an example just mentioned today in Politico. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/18/trump-giuliani-ukraine-lawyer-new-york-history-friendship-229857)

Plus the timing of this is likely a distraction technique. Trump would rather us argue about the legality of what he might do than the illegality of what he has already admitted to.

The real question is what would be a bridge to far for you Trump supporters? Is there anything he could do that would shake your confidence? If he announced he was suspending the constitution tomorrow and appointing himself King to protect us from AOC, would you accept that as reasonable and acceptable? Or would that seem to be selling a false dichotomy to and destroying our system of government?

Where did I say that? My comment was that the real detail(whether accurate or not), is that its said to be done at cost...to which you respond with all these speculations about "other ways" they are making money. Which if objective, you know is bullshit because there's not enough definitive detail to make a conclusion either way there, if solely going by verifiable facts... you accuse others of changing the argument, but it is often you who does it. My point...the reporting is leaving out reportable information. And in either event, I dont care if he is or isn't making money....simple enough.
Ok. I get what you are saying. You are more focussed on the belief that there is not cash cost to the government? Is that a more important element in your argument?

At the same time you did say "Trump makes no money". So it seems you are conceding the point that there is real value in bookings at cost due the fixed cost nature of the business, you just don't care or believe it is immaterial. I think I understand now.

Sort of. I can argue whether he is or isn't, or whether there are peripheral benefits or not(or even whether those peripheral benefits would matter given he'd have them anyway once he leaves office)...What I'm saying is the outrage to me is irrelevant because the problem is systemic and has been forever and if the only outrage now is disingenuous because its Trump doing it, that solves nothing...

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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2019, 09:28:30 AM »
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2019/05/15/trumps-doral-resort-is-in-steep-decline-showing-his-business-problems-are-mounting.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-prized-doral-resort-is-in-steep-decline-according-to-company-documents-showing-his-business-problems-are-mounting/2019/05/14/03cc701a-6b54-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article233997272.html

Golfers who quit their memberships at Trump National Doral after the property’s namesake became president were aiming to lose their link to a man they do not support. Turns out they could be waiting for Trump to pay them back for the rest of their lives.

In 2017 the Wall Street Journal reported Trump Doral was offering a 20 percent discount on its $50,000 joining fee. Monthly membership dues now exceed $1,000. Golf members get discounts on food and spa services and advanced reserved tee times with no green fees. A round of golf at Trump Doral is available to the public for as low as $75 on the website GolfNow.com.


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Re: Refilling The Trump Swamp!
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2019, 09:28:39 AM »
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the real detail.

Its being done at cost. In other words, Trump makes no money.

Are you dropping your previous primary argument 'the real detail" and switching to rationalizations?

It seems to me that Trump is trying to prove that everyone is crooked and can't be trusted by using himself as an example. He is setting up a false dichotomy of it's either me, or the other guys who are worse. All the evidence points to him actually being much more corrupt. It's incredibly cynical to allow that when there might be other better options.

Just as "spend less at Doral or spend more somewhere else" may be a false dichotomy. Who said they have to spend more elsewhere? Do you have evidence?

I understand the frustration with other politicians, but choosing to overlook the sins of a politician who is likely setting all time records for political corruption is just inexplicable. Don't forget Trump's first big successes were mired in political/tax corruption. So this corruption goes back four decades. Here's an example just mentioned today in Politico. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/18/trump-giuliani-ukraine-lawyer-new-york-history-friendship-229857)

Plus the timing of this is likely a distraction technique. Trump would rather us argue about the legality of what he might do than the illegality of what he has already admitted to.

The real question is what would be a bridge to far for you Trump supporters? Is there anything he could do that would shake your confidence? If he announced he was suspending the constitution tomorrow and appointing himself King to protect us from AOC, would you accept that as reasonable and acceptable? Or would that seem to be selling a false dichotomy to and destroying our system of government?

Where did I say that? My comment was that the real detail(whether accurate or not), is that its said to be done at cost...to which you respond with all these speculations about "other ways" they are making money. Which if objective, you know is bullshit because there's not enough definitive detail to make a conclusion either way there, if solely going by verifiable facts... you accuse others of changing the argument, but it is often you who does it. My point...the reporting is leaving out reportable information. And in either event, I dont care if he is or isn't making money....simple enough.
Ok. I get what you are saying. You are more focussed on the belief that there is not cash cost to the government? Is that a more important element in your argument?

At the same time you did say "Trump makes no money". So it seems you are conceding the point that there is real value in bookings at cost due the fixed cost nature of the business, you just don't care or believe it is immaterial. I think I understand now.

Sort of. I can argue whether he is or isn't, or whether there are peripheral benefits or not(or even whether those peripheral benefits would matter given he'd have them anyway once he leaves office)...What I'm saying is the outrage to me is irrelevant because the problem is systemic and has been forever and if the only outrage now is disingenuous because its Trump doing it, that solves nothing...

Ok. So as an analyst, who has proven his analytical capabilities on CoB&F (at least on the boards other than the Politics board), do you believe that booking for an extended period of time the entire resort (because they will have exclusive use of Doral and they will not book rooms or facilities elsewhere according to Mulvaney) of a struggling business with high fixed costs has some value to the Trump Organization, and therefore the Trump and his children?