Author Topic: So Do They Hate Israel Too!?  (Read 12630 times)

rukawa

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Re: So Do They Hate Israel Too!?
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2019, 04:23:44 AM »
Democrats should be treated precisely the same way Republicans have been treated on these types of issues. Trump and other Republicans are not simply measured by their words. They are measured by their dog whistles (hidden messages for racists), their associations, etc. BDS is an anti-semitic organization as far as I'm concerned...just as Democrats get to define racism, I've decided I get to define whatever the fuck I want. Anyone who is part of BDS is an anti-semite. Anyone who associates with someone who is a part of BDS has anti-semitic associations and is suspect.

Lets remember that she tweeted that Israel had hypnotized the world. This is not a dog-whistle...its straightforward anti-semitism. She also tweeted that "It's all about the Benjamin's baby". and then when asked who was paying politicians...tweeted "AIPAC". This is direct anti-semitism.

Finally she actually tried to pass a bill supporting BDS:
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/ilhan-omar-pro-bds-bill-congress-democrats-palestine-20190717-0011.html

Has Trump ever called for a bill to support the KKK!!?

If for ever one second Democrats were treated the way Republicans are...the whole squad would have to resign.


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Re: So Do They Hate Israel Too!?
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2019, 06:34:01 AM »
Are those who support tariffs and sanctions against Russia and China racist against Chinese people and Russian people?

Or is it too difficult to see the difference between a nation state and the ethnicity of the people living there?
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rukawa

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Re: So Do They Hate Israel Too!?
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2019, 11:20:38 PM »
Are those who support tariffs and sanctions against Russia and China racist against Chinese people and Russian people?

Or is it too difficult to see the difference between a nation state and the ethnicity of the people living there?

IF there were 30 Jewish states and you targeted one that would be a legitimate argument. There is one jewish state. Take all the states in the Middle East with the worst human right records. Randomly select by area or population. What is the probably you hit Israel...zero. The only thing exceptional about it is that its Jewish.

And yes...people who support tarriffs against China and Russia ARE generally racist against Chinese and Russian people. In much the same way that people who are against immigration as racist against Latinos. People try to separate these things and in theory they could be separable but in practice they never are. Its just that its considered OK to be racist against Chinese and Russians in a way that it isn't against others. I don't even have a problem with the racism as long as its there is a basis in truth to it and just not blind hatred. The problem I have is with the double standards. You want to criticize Russia for being corrupt. GREAT. But lets than criticize Baltimore as the epic shithole that it is. Lets call African countries shitholes. Somehow its racist to call African countries shitholes but its perfectly ok to pick on a pin-prick country surrounded by a vast horde of horrible arab dictatorships that is the only Jewish state in the world. That isn't racism?? I call that a huge double standard.

Lets also talk about the Israel situation in a bit more detail. The Palestinians are not a separate nation...they never were. They are simply Arabs that are indistinguishable from Syrians. The Palestinian situation is a refugee situation that should have been dealt with the same as all other refugee situations caused by a war...they should have been resettled. Why the fuck are we still even talking about this. Why is their no German refugee situation or French one or Indian one. Do Hindus who fled Pakistan have a right of return? Do you  have any clue how much borders shifted through wars and how many were displaced. So why is this still an issue?? This is an issue because Arab could not fucking stand the idea of anything but Arab Muslims ruling the Middle East. PERIOD. So they refused to resettle them and artificially created a situation. Arab states have been in control of this situation from DAY 1. Initially they thought they would exterminate the Jews and that would be that but they LOST the war. So they allowed this situation to continue because it served their purposes. Lets remember the history of the Middle East. The whole area used to be Christian and Jewish. Now the Jews and Christians in every Arab country are being exterminated. WHERE is their right of return?! Where are their refugee camps? Where is there BDS movement? Who is fighting for them? Or the Kurds? Or all the other minorities in the middle East that don't speak Arabic and are not Muslim. Syrians originally did not speak Arabic. Arabic is not the native language of Egypt. All these places were conquered by Arabs and the minorities were slowly exterminated and are still being exterminated. The elimination of Israel is just a continuation of this.

The Palestinian situation is therefore hilarious. The super powerful Arab Muslims who rule the whole middle east somehow managed to manufacture a weak refugee population that are being victimized by the incredibly powerful JEWs who control like 0.00000000001 percent of the land and 0.0000000000001% of the resources while the Arab Muslims who control everything and terrorize everyone are the victims here. Its crazy and the amazing thing is that the Left which claims to support the powerless is not supporting the most powerful people in the region and the biggest humans rights abusers and the least democratic. Its disgusting. But its interesting...in a world where the weak are politically correct...how do you become politically correct...you manufacture weakness. The Arabs did really manage something brilliant here.

I also thing you are completely fucking delusional when it comes to Ilhan Omar and people have called you out on it but you apply amazing rationalizations that you would never apply if it was some guy associated with the KKK. I honestly don't care what she says. The fact that she supports BDS speaks volumes. There is an incredible level of hatred directed at Israel by the Left in universities and heavily heavily supported by Muslims. I know these people and how they think and if I wanted to identify them...well support for BDS would pretty much nail it. She courts these people through her rhetoric and everything she says pretty much directly and openly. If you compare the supposed Southern strategy where "states rights" where some elaborate dog whistle that Nixon used to court the South. I mean this is the level of Leftist conspiracy theories about the right..secret code words and special signals. I'm not even saying its wrong...the Left could have been right about that. But nothing Ilhan Omar says is coded....supporting BDS is pretty out and out saying you want Israel eliminated and you support the Arab Muslim supremacist agenda. And these people do believe Jews control the media and the world...that is standard Arab thinking even among the very well-educated both in those countries and in the US and Canada. And they believe Jews are money hungry exploiters. All standard ideas. I could throw a rock (I mean that literally) and hit Arabs who would spew this shit directly. Everything she says and does leads me to believe she mostly likely thinks like this or at least is hugely relying on the fact that her supporters believe this.
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Re: So Do They Hate Israel Too!?
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2019, 12:43:46 AM »
Rukawa + 1 to the excellent rant... most of which holds true..

Howard Marks would call this "second level thinking"

Many of the Arab states have little interest in absorbing or helping the Palestinians, when they can be kept permanently in a place
where they can agitate for the elimination of the Jewish state. Some of the more enlightened ones such as Jordan or Egypt have
bravely bucked the trend and accepted (and sided with Israel on this issue) - but with Iran (and others) in the mix and their proxy terrorist groups -
this situation will not change.  The lady idiots in "The Squad" play right into their hands and are FOOLS.

The President and Israel are right to call them out on this.

It's really not complicated.