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LC

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The China Problem
« on: October 28, 2019, 05:23:55 PM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7599941/Whistleblower-escaped-Chinese-education-camp-reveals-horrors.html

And what a problem it is. Between stories of these concentration camps and the protests in HK, this Chinese government does not come off so well. But what can the Western world do? China is obviously a tremendously important economic power, particularly to the US. Tariffs seem to be having some effect (Good job DT). But while it may cause some economic recession, they are simply too large of a country to be starved economically. The Chinese military is quite concerning as well:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-military-parade-proves-beijing-ready-fight-america-90831

Curious what the board members here think of China from an economic, military, and political/social perspective.
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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2019, 05:43:06 PM »
They are the U.S. of the Asia-Pacific! 

The population is no different than Americans...they are just people trying to survive and move forward.  But the politicians, leaders and nutjobs make it no different than the U.S. 

You also have way fewer guns among the population, and they all keep two books for accounting.  Any business contract you have is about as enforceable as a date on Tinder.  Cheers!
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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2019, 06:41:11 PM »
I see the similarities but still I think it's a stretch. I don't think the US behavior in the middle east is quite comparable to China in HK. The US has done atrocious things I agree, but there was at least some justification in fighting terrorism. And I don't think the US treatment of migrants it nearly as evil as what China is going in these re-education camps.

Now I could see how one may disagree with me on those two points and perhaps there is some wiggle room on where that line of comparison is, but just taking a recent example, let's not pretend that   an entire stadium of people in China can boo and openly mock their President, on national TV.
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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2019, 08:21:52 AM »
As an atheist, I'm surprised you have an issue with this for several reasons.

First, they share your worldview (atheism). Except I think their view is more accurate. Yours is clouded by your Judeo-Christian background, which is common in the West.

Secondly, since you believe there is no Creator, the only human rights any of us have is what's bestowed upon us by our governments. If you are a citizen of government, they can do with you what they'd like.

Thirdly, you follow the motto "her body, her choice." The same can be said for countries. It's their country, their choice. There is no higher "moral standard" any of us should follow (if your worldview is accurate). So the West has its way and the East has theirs. Neither is better or worse - just different.

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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2019, 08:41:12 AM »
This thread to discuss the human rights violations in China, and what roles/responsibilities the international community holds.

I wonder, what are your thoughts on the thread's subject?
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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2019, 08:46:28 AM »
This thread to discuss the human rights violations in China, and what roles/responsibilities the international community holds.

I wonder, what are your thoughts on the thread's subject?

I think human rights exist only if there is a Creator that is bigger than a government. ;)
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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2019, 01:21:17 PM »
There is potential a tragedy unfolding in Xinjiang on holocaust levels. But China has a tight grip on information. No one really knows how bad the situation is. We may never know.
I think, it took the Allies almost till the end of the war after full-on invasion of Germany before they discovered the concentration camps..?

But most of the world won't care until they're directly affected. The elites in the West have too many business interests with China to rock the boat. The world/US needs a Pearl Harbour before it will respond.

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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2019, 10:46:39 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslims-labor.html

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Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers
The Communist Party wants to remold Xinjiang’s minorities into loyal blue-collar workers to supply Chinese factories with cheap labor.
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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2019, 10:58:46 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslims-labor.html

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Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers
The Communist Party wants to remold Xinjiang’s minorities into loyal blue-collar workers to supply Chinese factories with cheap labor.

Xi is not what he pretended to be.
and he wants to a dictator like Chairman Mao. But he doesn't have the brain.
And the younger generation Chinese are mostly brain washed, and during the last 20 years China had such good economy they are convinced it's because of CCP. But that doesn't mean they are stupid and won't change their opinion.


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Re: The China Problem
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2019, 03:03:20 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang-muslims-labor.html

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Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers
The Communist Party wants to remold Xinjiang’s minorities into loyal blue-collar workers to supply Chinese factories with cheap labor.

Xi is not what he pretended to be.
and he wants to a dictator like Chairman Mao. But he doesn't have the brain.
And the younger generation Chinese are mostly brain washed, and during the last 20 years China had such good economy they are convinced it's because of CCP. But that doesn't mean they are stupid and won't change their opinion.

It seems that Xi pretty much follows Mao’s playbook with concentration camps, re-education , except they don’t let fall China back into an agrarian state like Mao did with his cultural revaluation. This is basically Maoismus 2.0.

Biggest concern would be that China tries to re- annex Taiwan. That’s where the US needs to draw a line. It is only a matter of time until they try. The political pressures airlines etc. sets already a precedent.
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