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rukawa

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The modern Left is Totalitarian
« on: November 15, 2020, 11:47:41 PM »
First a definition what is totalitarian:
I think Mussolini said it best:
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Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state

A totalitarian vision is all-encompassing and universal. Nothing is neutral or outside of it. Everything must support it. The fascists were particularly concerned with the State as a representative of the people but the concept is more general. Any ideology can be totalitarian. For instance, the Nazis had the concept of Nazi art, Nazi science, Nazi music etc...same with the communists.

My question is what is outside the modern day Left. Right now even Mathematics must be subborned to the left wing viewpoint:
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https://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2020/01/31/can-mathematics-be-antiracist/

If you take something like anti-racism...currently it functions as a totalitarian ideology. Everything is inside of it and nothing is outside of it or neutral. At this point it has taken over all major institutions in society and no one can oppose it without the risk of losing their jobs. How is this different than the Nazi or communist state? Can anyone point to anything that is outside of anti-racism? I would argue the Trans ideology and feminism function similarly. Their reach is universal...with nothing exempted.


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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2020, 03:02:53 AM »
Absolutely.

Controlling media, courts, education, so-called science (only the ones that agree with them), banning religion is how they are imposing their will or the exact same playbook as any totalitarian regime such as Nazy Germany.

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2020, 09:20:43 AM »

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2020, 11:12:32 AM »
First a definition what is totalitarian:
I think Mussolini said it best:
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Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state

A totalitarian vision is all-encompassing and universal. Nothing is neutral or outside of it. Everything must support it. The fascists were particularly concerned with the State as a representative of the people but the concept is more general. Any ideology can be totalitarian. For instance, the Nazis had the concept of Nazi art, Nazi science, Nazi music etc...same with the communists.

My question is what is outside the modern day Left. Right now even Mathematics must be subborned to the left wing viewpoint:
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https://blogs.ams.org/inclusionexclusion/2020/01/31/can-mathematics-be-antiracist/

If you take something like anti-racism...currently it functions as a totalitarian ideology. Everything is inside of it and nothing is outside of it or neutral. At this point it has taken over all major institutions in society and no one can oppose it without the risk of losing their jobs. How is this different than the Nazi or communist state? Can anyone point to anything that is outside of anti-racism? I would argue the Trans ideology and feminism function similarly. Their reach is universal...with nothing exempted.


Italian Fascism is a better comparison for what we have today and what the left supports (German Facisism/Nazi-ism is too mixed up with racism/ethic cleansing/etc).  Of course the left's rhetoric is Marxist/socialist (i.e. government run/government owned healthcare), but in practice their policies are fascist (i.e. government controlled health care).

As far as anti-racism/social justice goes:  https://fakenous.net/?p=1948&fbclid=IwAR2W30sTM5tsqKTlP2lHWfdif5O9iX7-o8lo4CLBiFX3_756p74JLkL0xPU

« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 11:21:48 AM by rkbabang »

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2020, 11:28:55 AM »
Im not into the labels but its clear that one party revolves itself around telling(dictating) people what they can and cant do. Who they can hire. What they must pay. Where they must go to school. What they have to believe.

Its not really all that American, but what is surprising is just how stupid and emotional a lot of folks got over the past 4 years...to the point where they said "get rid of Trump at all costs"...and the costs could be huge. I posted elsewhere a nice summary of this...the bulk of those complaining about Trump "educated, come from wealth/have wealth, live in nice neighborhoods, and are better off now than they were 4 years ago"...but like little pissant children, they get off on virtue signaling and being "philanthropic" at the expense of others...

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2020, 11:47:17 AM »
Most people in fascist italy were better off compared to tribal italy, but that doesn't mean fascism should not be improved upon.

Also if i recall, your posted summary was one guy's anecdotes about his teacher friends in Boston who were the kids of rich parents who were doing "better" under Trump (or their parents were). Hardly convincing considering national unemployment spiked to 15% a few months ago and sits around 7% IIRC.

No use even getting into the wealth inequality thing for which Trump has made negative progress.

On the whole "dictating" thing, well, we can agree to disagree. Last I checked "the left" did not want to outlaw private healthcare or private schooling, just strengthen public versions of each. Nor do they want to get rid of free speech.

But hey, if the history of this subforum is any indication, our perspectives on these matters will not change so there is no use arguing.
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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2020, 11:49:47 AM »
Do you think the employment rate is in any way influenced by, say, someone like De Blasio/Cuomo/Murphy dictating that people cant run their businesses?

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2020, 11:58:48 AM »
Will you please respond LC??? I am holding my breath. I can't breathe!!!

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2020, 12:27:34 PM »
As we speak...."BACK INTO YOUR BASEMENTS CALIFORNIA!" shouts the dictatorial twat governor who doesnt even follow his own rules....

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Re: The modern Left is Totalitarian
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2020, 03:09:31 PM »
As we speak...."BACK INTO YOUR BASEMENTS CALIFORNIA!" shouts the dictatorial twat governor who doesnt even follow his own rules....

Firstly almost no homes in California have a basement. Basement dwelling is something that seems to happen in other parts of the US. Secondly if it were true (which its not cause we know you guys cry wolf about everything) its still better than "LETS GET HERD IMMUNITY OR DIE TRYING" mostly just the die trying part that Republican Governors seem to prefer. 


Nurse from South Dakota where Kristi Noem is Governor

South Dakota ER nurse recalls how dying coronavirus patients spend last minutes insisting virus isn't real. https://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-er-nurse-recalls-151800579.html

https://twitter.com/jodidoering/status/1327771329555292162

I have a night off from the hospital. As Iím on my couch with my dog I canít help but think of the Covid patients the last few days. The ones that stick out are those who still donít believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is

Going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm.  They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that ďstuffĒ because they donít have COViD because itís not real. Yes. This really happens. And

I canít stop thinking about it. These people really think this isnít going to happen to them.  And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. Itís like a fucking horror movie that never ends. Thereís no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.