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Title: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Zorrofan on June 30, 2019, 07:27:28 AM
Democrats claim to hate violence, claim to be inclusive and claim to be tolerant. 
Here they are demonstrating these virtues as they attack Andy Ngo, who is currently in hospital with a brain bleed. If you can't tell which are the peace loving, inclusive Democrats I'll give you a hint, they are the ones in masks, throwing things and shouting.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1145076009827356672

I'll wait for our more liberal board members to join me in denouncing this violence........



Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cameronfen on June 30, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
Ya there are wackos in both parties.  I am apalled by the actions of these democrats.


Even though this is tasteless, since you use this to take potshots at democrats I will like to add, it doesn't change the fact the almost all homegrown terrorists are right wing: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/581284/
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 30, 2019, 11:24:45 AM
Hey all:

There are reports by the media & police that Antifa was handing out quick drying "milkshakes".

These milkshakes are filled with quick dry cement.  High alkaline content might cause burns to exposed skin?  I imagine that they are rather heavy, if you get hit by one, might hurt?  cause damage if hit in the face?

Where are the police?

Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on June 30, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
Democrats claim to hate violence, claim to be inclusive and claim to be tolerant. 
Here they are demonstrating these virtues as they attack Andy Ngo, who is currently in hospital with a brain bleed. If you can't tell which are the peace loving, inclusive Democrats I'll give you a hint, they are the ones in masks, throwing things and shouting.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1145076009827356672

I'll wait for our more liberal board members to join me in denouncing this violence........

Absolutely, these guys should be put in jail.  The police should be arresting them if they are wearing face masks at these demonstrations.  These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Zorrofan on July 01, 2019, 05:59:33 AM
Democrats claim to hate violence, claim to be inclusive and claim to be tolerant. 
Here they are demonstrating these virtues as they attack Andy Ngo, who is currently in hospital with a brain bleed. If you can't tell which are the peace loving, inclusive Democrats I'll give you a hint, they are the ones in masks, throwing things and shouting.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1145076009827356672

I'll wait for our more liberal board members to join me in denouncing this violence........

Absolutely, these guys should be put in jail.  The police should be arresting them if they are wearing face masks at these demonstrations.  These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

Sanj,

I am glad that on this we can agree. It sickens me how divided the country has become. Regardless of your politics (left or right) you should be allowed to express your viewpoint. I can not understand how people think this type of violent behavior is acceptable. Here is yet another video of Antifa assaulting an elderly man...

https://twitter.com/Lucet_Veritas/status/1145348576710709249

Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 01, 2019, 06:39:16 PM
Hi Zorro,

While I can agree on this, I have to ask why is the President defending border patrol officers that were putting crude, demeaning and lewd posts on their Facebook posts within their group?  The head of CBP is investigating but the President won't agree.  You can't have a President who condemns one group, but not those that are within his voting demographic. 

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Zorrofan on July 02, 2019, 01:01:11 PM
Hi Zorro,

While I can agree on this, I have to ask why is the President defending border patrol officers that were putting crude, demeaning and lewd posts on their Facebook posts within their group?  The head of CBP is investigating but the President won't agree.  You can't have a President who condemns one group, but not those that are within his voting demographic. 

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers!

Sanj, I don't disagree but we can't let his boorish behavior be an excuse for our own. Both sides engage in it, both sides need to condemn it. 
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cobafdek on July 03, 2019, 08:43:20 AM
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 03, 2019, 08:55:10 AM
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 03, 2019, 09:06:08 AM
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

And that has ZERO to do with his point about the MSM and folks like you blatantly misrepresenting what was said to continue pushing your narratives.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cubsfan on July 03, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Nice clip on "Fake News" - it's actually getting worse with the Media today, especially if you are watching the southern Border reporting.
The MSM is truly the enemy of the people and a divider of the country.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 03, 2019, 11:03:42 AM
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

And that has ZERO to do with his point about the MSM and folks like you blatantly misrepresenting what was said to continue pushing your narratives.

Maybe you are in the wrong thread?

My comment is directly related to the topic of this thread, which is political divisiveness and escalation to violence. You’ll notice zorrofan’s original post is about ANTIFA violence, not MSM reporting standards.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 03, 2019, 11:24:28 AM
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

And that has ZERO to do with his point about the MSM and folks like you blatantly misrepresenting what was said to continue pushing your narratives.

Maybe you are in the wrong thread?

My comment is directly related to the topic of this thread, which is political divisiveness and escalation to violence. You’ll notice zorrofan’s original post is about ANTIFA violence, not MSM reporting standards.

Cobafdek's post stated that the media deliberately misrepresented what Trump said. In response to this, you stated that "Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event."... as if to again justify the media deliberately lying. Otherwise there was no point to even responding because it isn't really contestable that they willfully cut up his statement to then make claims that he condoned Nazis.

Simplified, cobafdek showed that the media purposely did something wrong. You responded by blaming Trump/justifying what the media did....

You are too blind LC. It's everywhere. You've gone from raging liberal to outright socialist. Thankfully, Canada can have you.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 03, 2019, 01:55:45 PM
We have a president who is quick to blame the left and the alt left for their impact in Charlottesville and elsewhere, but when asked about the alt right, he needs to have the phrase defined for him.

He, like you, is quick to jump down the throats of the media. But like Chris Rock says, when you pull up to the ATM at night, it’s not Chris Wallace you’re looking out for.

His double talk is palpable, and unfortunately as zorrofan correctly states, we need a president who will condemn violence in all forms, and from both sides equally. Hopefully you can at least agree to that.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Cardboard on July 04, 2019, 05:58:28 AM
"Thankfully, Canada can have you. "

No thanks we already have too many! Although, Venezuela or Cuba are welcoming more.

"His double talk is palpable, and unfortunately as zorrofan correctly states, we need a president who will condemn violence in all forms, and from both sides equally. Hopefully you can at least agree to that."

Yeah, it would have been nice to have Obama do that when innocent cops were being shot and BLM was in the Street chanting for their death.

Interestingly enough, I don't see anywhere near the level of violence that I have seen in Obama's later years. Is Trump doing something right?

I think so, keep the people employed instead of relying on government assistance.

Cardboard
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cubsfan on July 04, 2019, 07:39:08 AM

Yeah, it would have been nice to have Obama do that when innocent cops were being shot and BLM was in the Street chanting for their death.

Cardboard

This is so important - at least we have a President that will stand up for law enforcement, the military and the US Border patrol - instead of
vilifying them. The silence from our last President is deafening - and along the damage he did to these institutions  with his Attorney General,
the POS Eric Holder, has been immense.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: rukawa on July 04, 2019, 12:25:31 PM
He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

That is because they are fully to blame for the event. The "alt left" supports terror and violence.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 04, 2019, 12:34:49 PM
He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

That is because they are fully to blame for the event. The "alt left" supports terror and violence.

Yea. You don’t really see people crashing pride parades and whatnot. These assholes are asking for trouble when they go out of their way to interfere with other people’s events. Freedom of speech applies to things we don’t agree with. I don’t personally agree with many of these things, but I support the rights of people to express themselves. If you want to be one of those pieces of shit that stakes out other rallies, goes to someone’s else’s trying to cause problems, you deserve everything you get.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 04, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
Last I checked counter protests are completely legal.

In one breath you claim to denounce violence “on both sides”, in the next breath it’s “the alt left is fully to blame”.

Greg can’t even stay consistent in two adjacent sentences. He “supports the rights of people to express themselves”. But if you “stake out other rallies...you deserve everything you get.”

Looks like the mode of transmission for Trump double-talk has become airborne. I’d suggest a swift re-read of the US Constitution, particularly on today’s date!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 04, 2019, 01:22:30 PM
Last I checked counter protests are completely legal.

In one breath you claim to denounce violence “on both sides”, in the next breath it’s “the alt left is fully to blame”.

Greg can’t even stay consistent in two adjacent sentences. He “supports the rights of people to express themselves”. But if you “stake out other rallies...you deserve everything you get.”

Looks like the mode of transmission for Trump double-talk has become airborne. I’d suggest a swift re-read of the US Constitution, particularly on today’s date!


OK. so yes, I denounce violence. Thats independent of the left being at fault for certain altercations. Or the right being at fault in others. Seriously lol? You are asserting that one cant denounce violence while finding fault? Jesus.

And yes, you are free to express yourself. If you purposely seek out someone else's party/rally/event, you deserve everything you get. Freedom of expression. Not freedom from consequence. Not a difficult concept LC. Stay in Canada please.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 02:05:14 PM
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 02:06:07 PM
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Sorry LC, I see you put up the same link as me.  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

And that has ZERO to do with his point about the MSM and folks like you blatantly misrepresenting what was said to continue pushing your narratives.

No it doesn't!  It's completely relevant to the point that was made...not everything in the MSN is fake news as you guys allude to.  In fact, if you take a look at what is being said, I would say 75% is on point.  Is alot of it rhetorical and aimless...yes...but Trump's "fake news, fake news" chants are the actual "fake news!"  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 02:12:56 PM
"Thankfully, Canada can have you. "

No thanks we already have too many! Although, Venezuela or Cuba are welcoming more.

"His double talk is palpable, and unfortunately as zorrofan correctly states, we need a president who will condemn violence in all forms, and from both sides equally. Hopefully you can at least agree to that."

Yeah, it would have been nice to have Obama do that when innocent cops were being shot and BLM was in the Street chanting for their death.

Interestingly enough, I don't see anywhere near the level of violence that I have seen in Obama's later years. Is Trump doing something right?

I think so, keep the people employed instead of relying on government assistance.

Cardboard

Cardboard, Cubsfan, Gregmal, et al, you do realize that 250 years ago, your ancestors were the illegals jumping the border or doing everything to stay, but unfortunately, the indigenous people didn't have a militia in place to send you back.  You guys have a very skewed perspective about how bad things were under Obama and what the violence was like...like looking at a warped portal back into time.  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 02:13:48 PM
He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

That is because they are fully to blame for the event. The "alt left" supports terror and violence.

As does the alt right...and for far longer than the alt left!  The Klan had a very early origin!  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 04, 2019, 02:22:22 PM
“Freedom of expression. Not freedom from consequence. Not a difficult concept LC. Stay in Canada please.”

This is literally the poorly-veiled threat of the alt-right. It’s essentially announcing to the world you’ve turned off the critical capabilities of your brain, maybe second only to “freedom ain’t free!”.

Anyone should be able to peacefully protest without violent consequences.

And when two protest groups attack each other, both are to blame! Not “fully” one and not the other!

Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 04, 2019, 02:28:15 PM
“Freedom of expression. Not freedom from consequence. Not a difficult concept LC. Stay in Canada please.”

This is literally the poorly-veiled threat of the alt-right. It’s essentially announcing to the world you’ve turned off the critical capabilities of your brain, maybe second only to “freedom ain’t free!”.

Anyone should be able to peacefully protest without violent consequences.

And when two protest groups attack each other, both are to blame! Not “fully” one and not the other!


One group has an event planned. Another group purposely schedules an event the same day, at the same time, in the same place, for the purpose of confronting group 1.... Yea. No fault...
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 04, 2019, 02:41:44 PM
Being able to freely counter-protest, with the expectation of peace and first amendment protection, is a damn good thing for a healthy democracy and should be encouraged.

The violence is not the fault of one side nor the other. It is the fault of extremists on both sides, who should be condemned and brought to justice. They are the ones hurting democracy.

But to say the left or the right shouldn’t counter protest when XYZ...These types of caveats are an erosion of our first amendment.

The only caveat we should be enforcing is the peaceful freedom of expression, I think folks on both sides of the border can agree to that!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cobafdek on July 04, 2019, 02:45:39 PM
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Your reply doesn't even address my post.

What do you think about Trump's clear statement? (from the Politifact article itself):

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally".

And why are you offended about being brainwashed?  If someone is brainwashed, he doesn't know he's brainwashed.  It's involuntary, not a conscious moral failure.  In this case, it's a knowledge deficit that can be easily remedied by acknowledging that you were mislead about the facts, through no fault of your own.  Why is it so hard to admit you and the MSM are wrong about the President's NOT defending the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville?



Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 04, 2019, 03:09:59 PM
Being able to freely counter-protest, with the expectation of peace and first amendment protection, is a damn good thing for a healthy democracy and should be encouraged.

The violence is not the fault of one side nor the other. It is the fault of extremists on both sides, who should be condemned and brought to justice. They are the ones hurting democracy.

But to say the left or the right shouldn’t counter protest when XYZ...These types of caveats are an erosion of our first amendment.

The only caveat we should be enforcing is the peaceful freedom of expression, I think folks on both sides of the border can agree to that!

Yea great... if I show up to a BLM event voraciously touting how great the police are I shouldn't be shocked to receive abuse. In a vacuum, I shouldn't get abused. But in the real world... use your head.

A scrawny trust fund teenager ends up in jail, should he be shocked to get verbally and physically assaulted? A scantily clad female ends up in a biker bar at 11pm; should she be shocked that sexual harassment occurs? Stop living in Lala land. What the world "should" be like in a vacuum isn't what the world is like in reality.

This situation is even worse because not only do these people put themselves in this position by choice, but they also deliberately go out of their way to be loud, obnoxious, aggressive, and provocative towards the people who they disagree with.

I swear your reality gets more f*cked up by the day.

Counter protesting is akin to confrontation. You're going out of your way to be adversarial when you do shit like that. And you're asking for trouble. So when you do so, make sure you realize where things can go.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cubsfan on July 04, 2019, 03:47:36 PM
Parsad - first of all - Happy Fifty!  Here's to the next 50 for you.

In the meantime, I know you love Obama - and at one time, I did as well.

Unfortunately, while I was very PROUD to vote for our first black President, a historic event and milestone for the USA - President Obama
will go down as a failed presidency. He had every opportunity to unite the county - and midway into his first term - he took the
community organizer approach and DIVIDED the country along race/sex/gender lines. President Obama PERFECTED identity politics
as opposed to being just "American".  The Great Divider has also destroyed the Democratic Party as we once knew it.
It's now unrecognizable from the President Clinton days - and you call this "progress".

President Obama COULD have been a GREAT President, but will go down as a failure and the worst thing that ever hit the Democrats.

Our current President is making his legacy look like a joke.

I know it's hard to accept.

Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 04, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
Greg, all that’s missing is the sound of knuckles cracking while you menacingly deliver that post with a handful of goons behind you.

It’s like when the old white guy, sits at home and bemoans blacks being abused by police, “well they shouldn’t have been living in a racist state!”

Or women being assaulted or raped, “well she shouldn’t have been wearing such a short skirt!”

Now if you want to talk about reality, let’s take another case with a long history. People have been peacefully protesting abortions for years, by lining up and harassing women as they enter abortion clinics.

Now I think these people are the human equivalent of pond scum, but I believe they have the right to peacefully protest, and shouldn’t be physically attacked for doing so.

But to say that such a fear should be expected or tolerated, as your post implies, that is shameful!

Frankly it makes me a little sad when I read your post because it seems you take a defeatist attitude to take when discussing first-amendment rights and human rights.

As such, it does not surprise me there is a lack of sympathy for the people subject to abuse at our borders.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 04, 2019, 04:24:05 PM
Greg, all that’s missing is the sound of knuckles cracking while you menacingly deliver that post with a handful of goons behind you.

It’s like when the old white guy, sits at home and bemoans blacks being abused by police, “well they shouldn’t have been living in a racist state!”

Or women being assaulted or raped, “well she shouldn’t have been wearing such a short skirt!”

Now if you want to talk about reality, let’s take another case with a long history. People have been peacefully protesting abortions for years, by lining up and harassing women as they enter abortion clinics.

Now I think these people are the human equivalent of pond scum, but I believe they have the right to peacefully protest, and shouldn’t be physically attacked for doing so.

But to say that such a fear should be expected or tolerated, as your post implies, that is shameful!

Frankly it makes me a little sad when I read your post because it seems you take a defeatist attitude to take when discussing first-amendment rights and human rights.

As such, it does not surprise me there is a lack of sympathy for the people subject to abuse at our borders.

LC you must have had a very privileged and sheltered upbringing.

In the real world, you have to be cognizant of reality. Its not really any of the examples you cite, but moreso... don't break the law if you want to limit your chances of encountering a bad situation with a cop. If you are a female, dont walk through a bad area in a short skirt at 1 am. Sure, you should be able to do all these things, but you're living in an alternative universe if you dont think you are increasing your odds of having something unfortunate happen by being so naive. Sometimes people have to help themselves.

I dont recall anti abortion people throwing cement milkshakes at people...
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 04, 2019, 04:48:51 PM
I don’t have to justify my point by explaining how rich or poor I was or wasn't growing up.

I mean since you asked, I’ll say I was probably wealthier than you (although only in bone structure, charm and charisma, natural intelligence, popularity, attractiveness to the opposite sex, athletic ability, general sheen and health of my flowing head of hair, perfect nose and jawline, bluest eyes and straightest smile, etc. etc. etc. :P)

But really, it’s just as irrelevant as the skirt length on a rape victim, the skin color of a hate crime victim, or the sexual history of a woman at an abortion clinic.

Now to say these things happen is one thing. Of course, the world is not perfect. But to fully blame the victim? Or to say the alt left was fully the cause of that Charlottesville tragedy? That is both factually wrong and shows the bias of whomever would say such a thing. Even Trump didn’t go that far!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Gregmal on July 04, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
I don’t have to justify my point by explaining how rich or poor I was or wasn't growing up.

It’s just as irrelevant as the skirt length on a rape victim, the skin color of a hate crime victim, or the sexual history of a woman at an abortion clinic.

Now to say these things happen is one thing. Of course, the world is not perfect. But to fully blame the victim? Or to say the alt left was fully the cause of that Charlottesville tragedy? That is both factually wrong and shows the bias of whomever would say such a thing. Even Trump didn’t go that far!


I remember back in high school there was a 17 year old kid who took his parents new Audi to a bad neighborhood to get some pot. He ended up getting assaulted and the car was stolen. He was the victim of theft, assault, and probably even a hate crime. He was also universally regarded as a complete dumbass for willfully putting himself in that position. Get with reality. Life decisions are similar to investment decisions. One must assess probability and determine risk to reward. Things don't always happen the way they should. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Welcome to life LC...maybe one day you'll leave the privileged bubble where everyone is a victim.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 04, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
Greg, I edited my post to shine some light on my life of luxury and privilege, I hope you enjoy it.

I wonder if people like MLK made such calculations when protesting the treatment of blacks. Or when our founding fathers stood on two legs and turned their back on the king.

If you really believe the people who stood in front of a bunch of Nazis and screamed NO were wrong and had it coming, then there’s really nothing more to talk about. Enjoy your Independence Day!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 05:20:35 PM
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Your reply doesn't even address my post.

What do you think about Trump's clear statement? (from the Politifact article itself):

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally".

And why are you offended about being brainwashed?  If someone is brainwashed, he doesn't know he's brainwashed.  It's involuntary, not a conscious moral failure.  In this case, it's a knowledge deficit that can be easily remedied by acknowledging that you were mislead about the facts, through no fault of your own.  Why is it so hard to admit you and the MSM are wrong about the President's NOT defending the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville?

He said that after he got into all of that crap for saying there were fine people on both sides.  He didn't say anything about the driver of the vehicle or the skinheads until 48 hours later when he was questioned on his response.  If the President isn't smart enough and his advisors aren't smart enough to condemn Nazis wannabees immediately after one of them drives through a crowd of protesters, do you really think he should be President? 

Again, why do you assume that the mainstream is the one that is brainwashed.  Because over 100 recognized and respected global scientists say that climate change is real and the mainstream media themselves are brainwashed by these scientists?  Or that the obvious discrepancy in income and wealth between the top 1% and the bottom 50% is an overstatement?  What would Occam's razor suggest to you about who exactly is brainwashed and who isn't?  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: Parsad on July 04, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
Parsad - first of all - Happy Fifty!  Here's to the next 50 for you.

In the meantime, I know you love Obama - and at one time, I did as well.

Unfortunately, while I was very PROUD to vote for our first black President, a historic event and milestone for the USA - President Obama
will go down as a failed presidency. He had every opportunity to unite the county - and midway into his first term - he took the
community organizer approach and DIVIDED the country along race/sex/gender lines. President Obama PERFECTED identity politics
as opposed to being just "American".  The Great Divider has also destroyed the Democratic Party as we once knew it.
It's now unrecognizable from the President Clinton days - and you call this "progress".

President Obama COULD have been a GREAT President, but will go down as a failure and the worst thing that ever hit the Democrats.

Our current President is making his legacy look like a joke.

I know it's hard to accept.

Wait...wait!  Yeah Obama could have done a hell of a lot more to unite the country, but I don't see Trump stumping as the guy who is going to do that.  And both you and I know that the identity politics started with Cheney and Dubya...the same screws twisting things then are the same ones indirectly working/worked with Trump.  And if you really want to talk about how far this goes back, most of those guys had their start under Nixon and then worked for Reagan as well. 

So let's not lynch (poor choice of words) the first black President for not doing more, when we've had 7 terms of Republican policy attached to the last 45 years and many of the same players during those 45 years!  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: cobafdek on July 04, 2019, 05:56:27 PM
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Your reply doesn't even address my post.

What do you think about Trump's clear statement? (from the Politifact article itself):

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally".

And why are you offended about being brainwashed?  If someone is brainwashed, he doesn't know he's brainwashed.  It's involuntary, not a conscious moral failure.  In this case, it's a knowledge deficit that can be easily remedied by acknowledging that you were mislead about the facts, through no fault of your own.  Why is it so hard to admit you and the MSM are wrong about the President's NOT defending the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville?

He said that after he got into all of that crap for saying there were fine people on both sides.  He didn't say anything about the driver of the vehicle or the skinheads until 48 hours later when he was questioned on his response.  If the President isn't smart enough and his advisors aren't smart enough to condemn Nazis wannabees immediately after one of them drives through a crowd of protesters, do you really think he should be President? 

Again, why do you assume that the mainstream is the one that is brainwashed.  Because over 100 recognized and respected global scientists say that climate change is real and the mainstream media themselves are brainwashed by these scientists?  Or that the obvious discrepancy in income and wealth between the top 1% and the bottom 50% is an overstatement?  What would Occam's razor suggest to you about who exactly is brainwashed and who isn't?  Cheers!

When he used the words "Fine people on both sides," was he, or was he not, referring to the neo-Nazis and white nationalists?
Why is this hard?

He said that after he got into all of that crap for saying there were fine people on both sides.

You've been hoaxed again.  If you look at the Politifact transcript, he said "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally" a few sentences immediately after the "fine people on both sides" - and he said it unprompted.

Why is this so hard?
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: MrB on July 05, 2019, 06:07:38 AM
Why is this so hard?

Because I have the right to choose to see, what I want to see!!

LOL
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 05, 2019, 06:55:42 AM
It’s probably difficult to get a competing opinion into your echo chamber when you both ask the question and then answer it in your own post.
Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: rukawa on July 07, 2019, 10:50:25 AM
He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

That is because they are fully to blame for the event. The "alt left" supports terror and violence.

As does the alt right...and for far longer than the alt left!  The Klan had a very early origin!  Cheers!

Completely true...although I would dispute the longer history. After all the French revolution was the beginning of the Left and that is older than the Klan.

I was wrong in my quote too..I thought LC was talking about the Andy Ngo incident. I didn't realize he was referring to Charlotteville where I would agree that the alt right was 100% to blame for what happened.

Honestly I find all this very unproductive. I feel like there has got to be a better way to channel these emotions instead of getting mad at each other (public speaking?). Its just a big tribal fight these days.

Title: Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
Post by: LC on July 07, 2019, 03:29:00 PM
That makes more sense...I thought it was a bit of a weird position to take re Charlottsville.

But I agree with you of course (hard to disagree). And I think most normal people feel the same way. Unfortunately our political system is pretty ridiculous.