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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2019, 03:48:17 PM »
I can't help but marvel at the irony of this and wonder if it is all just one big joke the puppet masters are playing on us normal folks...The idea that the left is outraged and calling for impeachment over a....politically motivated investigation? Obama's administration launched an investigation into Trump/Russia and now Trump is trying to do the same with Biden/Ukraine...and the reactions to both were sooooooo different it's startling. Honestly the only difference is Obama wasting the time and resources of OUR agencies, whereas at least Trump is getting someone else to do it.

The difference between Trump/Russia is there was significant suspicion that a crime had occured (which it did likely did in the form of obstruction but not the real point), as among other things Trump went on National TV and asked the Russians to dig up dirt on Clinton.  If there were a case against Biden, the US department of Justice would be investigating, but my guess is this is even a bridge too far for Trump's DOJ, so he has to get a foreign power to investigate.
The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act also covers individuals and not just businesses as its typically used in CoBF. 


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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2019, 06:33:46 PM »
They treat worthless partisan pieces of shit like the worthless partisan pieces of shit that they are. I love it, but if the shoe was on the other foot I probably wouldnít be happy either. What do you think republicans felt like during Obama term 1?

Partisan or not, I'm still waiting to see Trump's taxes!  But we'll never see them like most things from this administration...this won't be any different.  And yes, I'm cynically resigned to that fact, but sitting on the other side of the fence from Trump's supporters.  Cheers!
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2019, 07:45:30 AM »
Itís banana republic politics plain and simple. I have the sneaking suspicion that Trump doesnít even know he breaks laws, he probably had lawyers cleaning up his mess all his live and thinks the laws are for those who donít have good lawyers. I donít think he is alone with this attitude either.

By the way, the whole affair looks bad for Biden too, who has a lot of explaining to do what kind of business his son is pursuing  in the Ukraine and why it is totally unrelated to his political ambitions. Could ( or should ) be the end of his run as a candidate for the Dems if not convincingly explained.
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2019, 08:57:55 AM »
US democracy - it was good while it lasted.

I see lots of similarities between Iranian mullahs and Republicans.

1) fundamentalist view of religion that trumps everything else (feels like R attended christian madrasa)
2) banishing women rights
3) weakening democracy (voter suppression, gerrymandering)
4) clinging to power at any cost
5) fostering hatred towards minorities

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2019, 09:08:56 AM »
Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are the ones fostering hatred towards anyone with money.

Short-term capital gains tax in CA is 54% (40.8% Federal + 13.3% state), on top of which we pay big property taxes to the state and also sales taxes of 9%.

The two demagogues want to write off student and medical debt by raising taxes even more, instead of figuring out how to lower education/healthcare costs.

The two crooks spread hatred against people who have a little bit of money. Both these crooks write books and make millions.


US democracy - it was good while it lasted.

I see lots of similarities between Iranian mullahs and Republicans.

1) fundamentalist view of religion that trumps everything else (feels like R attended christian madrasa)
2) banishing women rights
3) weakening democracy (voter suppression, gerrymandering)
4) clinging to power at any cost
5) fostering hatred towards minorities

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2019, 09:48:10 AM »
US democracy - it was good while it lasted.

I see lots of similarities between Iranian mullahs and Republicans.

1) fundamentalist view of religion that trumps everything else (feels like R attended christian madrasa)
2) banishing women rights
3) weakening democracy (voter suppression, gerrymandering)
4) clinging to power at any cost
5) fostering hatred towards minorities

LOL you are seriously comparing women's right in Iran(where they are basically property and can be killed simply for dressing the wrong way or using social media) to America because you feel some of these hoe's should be able to pound whatever protruding objects they feel like and then slaughter the byproduct of that with the moral indifference of say, hitting the backspace button on a computer? Too funny.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2019, 10:32:44 AM »
US democracy - it was good while it lasted.

I see lots of similarities between Iranian mullahs and Republicans.

1) fundamentalist view of religion that trumps everything else (feels like R attended christian madrasa)
2) banishing women rights
3) weakening democracy (voter suppression, gerrymandering)
4) clinging to power at any cost
5) fostering hatred towards minorities

Please list these rights that women don't have.


Here are a few current things in the news...

- Colorado just made it legal for women from the age of 10+ to go topless in public. Is that a victory?
- Young women out earn men. Pay gap?
- Women aren't marrying as much because they see a lack of "economically attractive men"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2010/09/01/young-single-women-outearn-men
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/colorado-city-removes-topless-ban-in-win-for-free-the-nipple-movement
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/unmarried-women-lack-economically-attractive-men-study


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To get back on topic. I agree Spek, this investigation could very well be the end of Biden. The question is who becomes the new face of the party? Warren or Sanders? Do either of them have a chance against Trump? Perhaps Warren but I don't see a chance in hell that Bernie wins.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2019, 11:08:23 AM »
US democracy - it was good while it lasted.

I see lots of similarities between Iranian mullahs and Republicans.

1) fundamentalist view of religion that trumps everything else (feels like R attended christian madrasa)
2) banishing women rights
3) weakening democracy (voter suppression, gerrymandering)
4) clinging to power at any cost
5) fostering hatred towards minorities

It's a fair comparison. Obviously some items are more extreme in Iran but the fact that some Republicans are going down that same path is of course concerning.

Women are fighting tooth and nail for equality (we're getting close to allowing women to go topless in all 50 states! to use castanza's example) and there is (in general) progress being made on that front.

What concerns me is corruption (on both sides of the aisle). Gerrymandering and voter suppression is, somehow, still a common tactic here in 2019. And Trump's corruption is legendary (at least in how blatant it is) but he is not the only one, as sketchy Democrats and Republics use their elected positions to line their pockets. IMHO more effort needs to be directed here.

You're right on the minority/immigrant item - we see how far this administration is willing to go in order to drum up hate. Some of it is pretty much evil (separating children and parent); some of it is actually hilarious:

https://i.redd.it/1kqolgb177o31.jpg
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2019, 11:21:00 AM »
US democracy - it was good while it lasted.

I see lots of similarities between Iranian mullahs and Republicans.

1) fundamentalist view of religion that trumps everything else (feels like R attended christian madrasa)
2) banishing women rights
3) weakening democracy (voter suppression, gerrymandering)
4) clinging to power at any cost
5) fostering hatred towards minorities

It's a fair comparison. Obviously some items are more extreme in Iran but the fact that some Republicans are going down that same path is of course concerning.

Women are fighting tooth and nail for equality (we're getting close to allowing women to go topless in all 50 states! to use castanza's example) and there is (in general) progress being made on that front.

What concerns me is corruption (on both sides of the aisle). Gerrymandering and voter suppression is, somehow, still a common tactic here in 2019. And Trump's corruption is legendary (at least in how blatant it is) but he is not the only one, as sketchy Democrats and Republics use their elected positions to line their pockets. IMHO more effort needs to be directed here.

You're right on the minority/immigrant item - we see how far this administration is willing to go in order to drum up hate. Some of it is pretty much evil (separating children and parent); some of it is actually hilarious:

https://i.redd.it/1kqolgb177o31.jpg

"It's a fair comparison. Obviously some items are more extreme in Iran but the fact that some Republicans are going down that same path is of course concerning."

You and your cohorts should really stop watching shows like "The Handmaids Tale" and projecting it onto reality. Republicans are heading down that road? Really? Which party is it that has a group of individuals who are outspoken Muslims and seem to have trouble denouncing things like sharia law and female genitalia mutilation.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2019, 11:34:52 AM »
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Republicans are heading down that road? Really?
Yes really. I know it's easy to turn a blind eye to the issues that were just listed: gerrymandering, reproductive/women's rights, treatment of minority groups; but these are real failings of the republican party.

I tried to extend the olive branch because its true - democrats engage in poor behavior as well.

But your reply makes it quite obvious: in the republican party, these issues are systemic.

On the contrary, how many current Senators are Muslim? How many Representatives?

And why do you imply there is something wrong about being Muslim?

And on the "trouble denouncing things like sharia law and female genitalia mutilation." point, now you're just wrong. Do I need to post the Omar video again?
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