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Schwab711

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2019, 11:56:54 AM »
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Castanza

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2019, 12:05:41 PM »
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Republicans are heading down that road? Really?
Yes really. I know it's easy to turn a blind eye to the issues that were just listed: gerrymandering, reproductive/women's rights, treatment of minority groups; but these are real failings of the republican party.

I tried to extend the olive branch because its true - democrats engage in poor behavior as well.

But your reply makes it quite obvious: in the republican party, these issues are systemic.

On the contrary, how many current Senators are Muslim? How many Representatives?

And why do you imply there is something wrong about being Muslim?

And on the "trouble denouncing things like sharia law and female genitalia mutilation." point, now you're just wrong. Do I need to post the Omar video again?

1.) I'm not republican

2.) Are you not implying the Muslim religion is also bad if you think its wrong that republicans are headed down the same path?

3.) You're equating the illegal immigrant issue with all minorities. How about you look back at history and see which part supported what and then come to me saying the republicans are the racist party. Democratic party supported slavery, fought women's suffrage, put 10s of thousands of Asians in concentration camps,
supported Jim Crow, supported segregation, supported mass resistance through the Byrd Organization, and who gave birth to the KKK.

4.) You see reproductive rights, I see unborn child's rights. Not the same argument.

5.) Please post the entitled smart ass video of Omar again for all to see. I'm still waiting for her to get caught in her marriage fraud.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2019, 12:10:20 PM »
The people who support abortion on the "my body my rights" bs argument, should also, if logically sound, support ones freedom to drive drunk...my body, my rights. Booze or semen as the liquid of choice should be irrelevant.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2019, 06:38:16 PM »
Boy, oh, boy - Biden looks like he is in deep shit when the facts come out on the Ukrainian "pay for play" deal.

Democrats should have kept their mouth shut on Trump and his phone call - cause now the focus is moving to
Biden and his threat to withhold $1B payment to the Ukrainian government, unless they fire the Ukrainian federal
prosecutor that was investigating Hunter Biden and his role in Burisma.

Biden is going to have to fold.

Schwab711

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2019, 04:47:33 AM »
Boy, oh, boy - Biden looks like he is in deep shit when the facts come out on the Ukrainian "pay for play" deal.

Democrats should have kept their mouth shut on Trump and his phone call - cause now the focus is moving to
Biden and his threat to withhold $1B payment to the Ukrainian government, unless they fire the Ukrainian federal
prosecutor that was investigating Hunter Biden and his role in Burisma.

Biden is going to have to fold.

He said $1b but just about every thing else you wrote is wrong or sensationalized. Investigation was not about Hunter. The concern is that Hunter was paid to consult/manage for an oligarch (Zlochevsky), who many thought should be investigated. The Ukrainian prosecutor truly was extorting subjects of investigations. That doesnt mean Zlochevsky wasn't engaging in money laundering or that Hunter Biden wasn't using his influence, but that wasn't the issue Biden was directly involved in.

Biden isn't getting charged. Trump won't be charged with anything related to this incident either. It's not about any crime. I don't think Biden should have been involved given the appearance of a COI. There's no way to avoid an allegations because of it. In this case, there's not much evidence to support it over 4 years.

You see why admitting to quid pro quo as the chief decision maker is different than being 2 steps removed from potential government abuse while not directly benefiting or being the ultimate decision maker in the situation is different, right?

cubsfan

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2019, 05:01:31 AM »
I'm not saying Biden will be charged with anything. He won't.

He won't withstand the conflict of interest & influence peddling.

Biden learned well from Clinton - "you scratch my back, and I will scratch yours".

We will see what happens - I say he's finished.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2019, 05:37:14 AM »
I don't think they'd need to have gone all the way to Ukraine to find dirt on Hunter Biden....as deplorable as people say Trump is, is this guy not an admitted junky who f*** his dead brothers wife and then cheated on her?

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2019, 06:00:41 AM »
Cheating on their wives? Roosevelt, Kennedy, Clinton.

What is interesting is that they are some of the better ones if you compare with Truman, Carter and Obama. So if Biden is out we probably need Kamala as she has little problem for that kind of stuff.

Can't believe that their top running candidates would be Bernie and Warren without Biden. Have you seen their confiscation plan or wealth tax? So you would pay a tax on your wealth each year?

I also find ultra interesting that the naive leftist supporters on this board do not understand that once something like that is applied, not only will it hurt their own investments, jobs and family but, since they are savers and essentially wealthy or a small percentage of the population that eventually they will have to pay it too.

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Schwab711

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2019, 06:23:28 AM »
@cubsfan - Seems reasonable enough.

@gregmal - Yeah, there was a lot more low hanging fruit if Hunter was the target. There could be some strategy to forcing impeachment hearings to start now vs during Congressional primary/election season?

@Cardboard - The wealth tax is unconstitutional. It will be enacted when there's an amendment and no earlier. Most people I've talked to ignore the idea as unrealistic. It seems to be the take her seriously, not literally thing.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2019, 06:47:14 AM »
@cubsfan - Seems reasonable enough.

@gregmal - Yeah, there was a lot more low hanging fruit if Hunter was the target. There could be some strategy to forcing impeachment hearings to start now vs during Congressional primary/election season?

@Cardboard - The wealth tax is unconstitutional. It will be enacted when there's an amendment and no earlier. Most people I've talked to ignore the idea as unrealistic. It seems to be the take her seriously, not literally thing.

Revoking the 2A is also unconstitutional yet here we are. The younger generations have almost zero regard for the constitution. I'd be willing to bet most haven't ever read it or studied it in school. So never say never.