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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #260 on: November 24, 2019, 05:00:48 AM »
"Dude - you're just trying to obscure from the real scandal - Obama's FBI & CIA spying operations against the Trump campaign."

If Schwab cared so much about justice as he has claimed for so long, you would think this would matter to him and be critical about both sides but, nope. Only one side should be investigated.


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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #261 on: November 24, 2019, 07:04:02 AM »
https://nypost.com/2019/11/23/goodwin-impeachment-trial-is-the-ace-up-president-trumps-sleeve/

This is EXACTLY why, any half intelligent Democrat will punt on impeachment. It's not just a losing cause, but it can potentially be devastatingly bad.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #262 on: November 24, 2019, 09:54:00 AM »
Talk less, and just impeach  :P :P
Bluff, threat, yada yada - anything to avoid seeing the light of day

The worst that happens is that the House votes for impeachment, the senate rejects it, and there's an election on Trumps continuation.
No different from what we already have.

But a LOT more money to be made, and a LOT more entertaining.
To avoid jail time (on those 'misdemeanors' before becoming prez), Trump needs to pardon himself before leaving office, and the next guy (republican) needs to make the pardon stick. The rope is tightening, the knives are feeling lucky!, and this is the ratings booster to dream of !! Please, please ....... don't poop the party by dying on us before then.

Drain the swamp.
Send it to hell!

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #263 on: November 24, 2019, 01:54:01 PM »


Trump's best defense against impeachment


The worst charge thus far alleged against President Trump is that he attempted to make $400 million in aid to Ukraine contingent on that country’s government investigating possible corruption by the Bidens. This is the much hoped for “smoking gun,” the “quid pro quo”—as if the foreign policy of any country in history has ever been borne aloft on the gentle vapors of pure altruism.

… would that be sufficient to convince a majority of Americans, and a supermajority of senators, that Trump should be removed from office?
I don’t see it. Especially since a) no aid was actually withheld; b) no investigation was actually launched; c) the American people don’t care about Ukraine and would probably prefer to get their $400 million back; and d) they would inevitably ask: so were, in fact, Joe Biden and his son on the take from a foreign government? And if it looks like they might have been, why, exactly, was it improper for the president to ask about it?

Trump’s enemies’ answer to the last question is: because the president was asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent for purely personal gain. Really? Is potential corruption by a former vice president—and potential future president—and his family a purely private matter, of no conceivable import or interest to the public affairs of the United States? That’s what you have to insist on to maintain that the request was improper. That’s the line we can expect the Democrat-CLM axis to flog, shamelessly and aggressively. But will a majority of Americans buy it? Especially since career officials at the Department of Justice already determined, and anti-Trump witnesses appearing before Representative Adam Schiff’s secret star chamber reluctantly conceded, that nothing Trump did or is alleged to have done was technically, you know, illegal.
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #264 on: November 24, 2019, 04:16:56 PM »
Nice excerpt Value 2- regardless of WHO raised the issue and WHY - the American people have the right to know what kind of person Joe Biden is....



Just because Joe Biden is running for President - does not EXEMPT him from public scrutiny.  The more that comes out, the worse it looks.
The latest reporting is that part of Hunter Biden's compensation was 83K/mo for board fees and another 80K or so for "consulting fees".
CLEARLY this is a HUGE conflict of interest that would be ILLEGAL in a US corporation. Now it may not be ILLEGAL for a Ukrainian Corporation,
like Burisma - but it appears this is the textbook definition of CORRUPTION. And then Daddy Biden bails him out by withholding aid.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/11/19/hunter_bidens_burisma_post_had_a_troubling_conflict_watchdog_says_121260.html

The group’s study of Burisma also found that the pay of former Vice President Joe Biden’s son was more than 12 times comparable board pay at similarly sized companies.

According to Reuters, “records show 18 months in which two payments of $83,333 per month were paid to [Hunter Biden’s company] Rosemont Seneca Bohai for ‘consulting services.’”

it would be illegal in the U.S. to have an arrangement such as Hunter Biden’s – being a corporate governance monitor while also a paid consultant to company management. Federal securities law forbids anyone from serving as an independent board member if they “accept directly or indirectly any consulting, advisory, or other compensatory fee.”

EXTORTION anyone?
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #265 on: November 25, 2019, 04:39:03 AM »
""If you think the leader is a moron but his party's local candidate is a good, reliable person and the other party’s candidate is a crooked idiot do you vote for the crooked idiot because you don’t like the other party’s leader?"

In life you should know the consequences of your actions hence there is no excuse.

It is funny that you claim to be a Conservative member and keep coming up with these excuses.""
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Cardboard. Just to clarify, I mentioned this as one of the reasons why Canada may not have had a leadership change it had nothing to do with the way I voted. I was trying to make the point that Canadian voters don't have much control over who will be Prime Minister as his name is not on a national ballot.

In the case of Canada's last election, the problem was similar to that in the US. Too many people splitting opposition votes. In the US, one might say that Bernie Sanders won the election for Mr Trump.
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #266 on: November 27, 2019, 08:25:14 PM »
Happy thanksgiving to all:
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #267 on: December 04, 2019, 05:30:54 PM »
Today was something! A bunch of dimwit academics...I sure do wonder where they lean politically. Called from one land of make believe into another.  Just like their politician friends, they make their money fleecing the American citizen and being kings of their own little kingdoms. The second rate soap opera continues.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #268 on: December 05, 2019, 10:53:35 AM »
Today was something! A bunch of dimwit academics...I sure do wonder where they lean politically. Called from one land of make believe into another.  Just like their politician friends, they make their money fleecing the American citizen and being kings of their own little kingdoms. The second rate soap opera continues.

Madame Pelosi losing her mind:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6113386180001#sp=news-clips

I thought that Adam Schiff was the biggest phony looking for an Academy Award - but now I'm not so sure...

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #269 on: December 05, 2019, 11:21:56 AM »
Oh yea, you can tell she knows this is a mega waste and even worse, that they're exposing her entire party to the country as hateful frauds, just in time for the next election. She's known as a savvy politicians, so it must really eat her guts out knowing Trump basically just forced her into checkmate. The Senate trial is going to be glorious.