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Title: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 07, 2020, 03:33:51 PM
If you thought Kellyanne Conway was brainwashed...

And on the subject of Conway her husband George recently tweeted that Trump “is 100% insane and nobody in the administration has the balls to tell him that.”
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on April 07, 2020, 03:44:57 PM
If you thought Kellyanne Conway was brainwashed...

And on the subject of Conway her husband George recently tweeted that Trump “is 100% insane and nobody in the administration has the balls to tell him that.”

Why is she brainwashed?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 07, 2020, 03:50:26 PM
Remember the time she said Trump doesn't lie, he just has "alternate facts"?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 08, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
Here is an example of what to expect from Mcenany...

Kayleigh McEnany, recently said that thanks to the President, "we will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here."

Yup, she is totally clueless.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on April 08, 2020, 10:54:46 AM
Remember the time she said Trump doesn't lie, he just has "alternate facts"?

Okay but a prostitute isn't necessary in love with her clients.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on April 08, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Yea but she's not making a lot of money either. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on April 10, 2020, 04:29:49 AM

I just had to google it (got UK results):

"The national average wage for a prostitute has been revealed - and it may not be as high as you were expecting. On average, sex workers take home £27,271 a year and more than half of earn less than £20,000."

Tragic. People must be really desperate/addicted to something to be in trade for these amounts.

So, back on topic, obviously, she's not desperate she's just an asshole.




Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 10, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
Yeah, but she's probably being paid more than the average hooker.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on April 10, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
Given how Trump treats his subcontractors she may want to get the cash on the nightstand up front.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Jurgis on April 10, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
Given how Trump treats his subcontractors she may want to get the cash on the nightstand up front.

Yeah, it's not as if she or her "manager" can break his knees if he doesn't pay.





Can they?  ::)
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 10, 2020, 01:00:35 PM
If anyone thinks this idiot will make a good press secretary watch this.

She repeatedly denies Trump has ever has lied. Cumo kicks her off the show - says she has no credibility. 

https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/2536753149899594/
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on April 10, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
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She repeatedly denies Trump has ever has lied

She'll do great in this administration.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on April 10, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
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She repeatedly denies Trump has ever has lied

She'll do great in this administration.

I agree, she fits right in. She is fluent in “Doublespeak” which is a necessary qualification to work for this administration.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on April 10, 2020, 11:43:58 PM
Speaking of manipulative assholes, every time there's a personnel change in the current Trump TV series, I'm reminded what Scott Adams repeatedly said about Trump during the presidential race.  He said it's OK that Trump has no relevant experience because he has the required skill to choose the right people to make the necessary decisions.



Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 11, 2020, 07:03:06 AM

Trying to think of ANY skill Trump brought to the White House.

The constant staff turnover is a sad comment on a complete lack of leadership skills. Long ago Trump dumped anyone who might actually have had some clue as to what they were doing and is now scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Those desperate enough to accept a position at this point are likely only doing so in the delusion that it might look good on their resume or in their family history..
            
Here is a rundown of staff changes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations

It just boggles the mind how his supporters can ignore this incredible record of dithering mismanagement.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on April 11, 2020, 07:49:26 AM
The types of statistics I expect our new press secretary to start releasing:

(https://i.redd.it/ukviq299y5s41.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 11, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Yes, probably drew that chart himself. Something like his meteorology skills in predicting hurricane tracks.

Downplaying his missteps during Covid-19 crises will be difficult for him because his vocabulary of adjectives only includes superlatives - especially because McEnany says he never lies.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on April 20, 2020, 05:44:16 AM
Kellyanne criticizing the WHO on national TV for not being prompt on COVID-19...

“This is Covid-19, not Covid-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that." - Kellyanne Conway

 Speaking of ‘facts and figures’ (always a problem with Kellyanne), the 19 stands for 2019, not the 19th Covid.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on April 20, 2020, 06:26:12 AM
Kellyanne criticizing the WHO on national TV for not being prompt on COVID-19...

“This is Covid-19, not Covid-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that." - Kellyanne Conway

 Speaking of ‘facts and figures’ (always a problem with Kellyanne), the 19 stands for 2019, not the 19th Covid.

The SNL skits write themselves at this point
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 07, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
https://twitter.com/bryandeanwright/status/1258146664180854785?s=21

Ya gotta admit that was pretty good.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 07, 2020, 12:37:02 PM
What a burn! And a good point she's made - nobody knew the extent of COVID-19 in early March.

I mean, I guess the reason nobody knew anything is because her administration's defunded every federal pandemic response group we've got and then totally mismanaged the response once we knew COVID was here.... but if we just ignore all that, I mean, damn, she burnt him to a crisp!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 07, 2020, 12:56:07 PM
https://twitter.com/bryandeanwright/status/1258146664180854785?s=21

Ya gotta admit that was pretty good.

She asked the press for responses and this is from the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/06/mcenanys-slippery-defense-saying-coronavirus-will-not-come-here/

Some of the defenses are lame, some are not. 
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 07, 2020, 01:02:05 PM
What a burn! And a good point she's made - nobody knew the extent of COVID-19 in early March.

She is not using media quotes from early March.  Some are from January.  She is making a false equivalence.   

And she is omitting important qualifiers like "for now".
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 07, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
What a burn! And a good point she's made - nobody knew the extent of COVID-19 in early March.

I mean, I guess the reason nobody knew anything is because her administration's defunded every federal pandemic response group we've got and then totally mismanaged the response once we knew COVID was here.... but if we just ignore all that, I mean, damn, she burnt him to a crisp!

There is actually more funding under Trump

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/

“CDC did not have to cut back its work from 49 to 10 countries,” said Maureen Bartee, CDC’s associate director for Global Health Security, in a statement to FactCheck.org. “In the FY18-FY20 annual appropriations, CDC received base appropriations for global health security from Congress. This was used to continue the essential public health capacity development in the four core areas that was started in 2014 with the one-time supplemental funds.”

"CDC operating budget plans show that its funding for global public health protection — which includes global disease detection and emergency response and global public health capacity — increased from $58 million in fiscal year 2017 to around $108 million in fiscal years 2018 and 2019. (And that does not include any remaining supplemental funds available for use.) The increases included nearly $50 million more each year for CDC’s global health security initiatives.

Those amounts went up again in fiscal year 2020, when the CDC was awarded $183 million for global public health protection, overall, and $125 million specifically for its global health security efforts. For fiscal year 2021, President Donald Trump has requested that CDC funding for global disease detection and other programs be increased further — to $225 million total, with $175 million going directly to global health security.

With its current funding, Bartee said, the CDC is actually working in “more than 60 countries” — not 10 — to address the threat of global infectious diseases and outbreaks."
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 07, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
What a burn! And a good point she's made - nobody knew the extent of COVID-19 in early March.

I mean, I guess the reason nobody knew anything is because her administration's defunded every federal pandemic response group we've got and then totally mismanaged the response once we knew COVID was here.... but if we just ignore all that, I mean, damn, she burnt him to a crisp!

There is actually more funding under Trump

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/

“CDC did not have to cut back its work from 49 to 10 countries,” said Maureen Bartee, CDC’s associate director for Global Health Security, in a statement to FactCheck.org. “In the FY18-FY20 annual appropriations, CDC received base appropriations for global health security from Congress. This was used to continue the essential public health capacity development in the four core areas that was started in 2014 with the one-time supplemental funds.”

"CDC operating budget plans show that its funding for global public health protection — which includes global disease detection and emergency response and global public health capacity — increased from $58 million in fiscal year 2017 to around $108 million in fiscal years 2018 and 2019. (And that does not include any remaining supplemental funds available for use.) The increases included nearly $50 million more each year for CDC’s global health security initiatives.

Those amounts went up again in fiscal year 2020, when the CDC was awarded $183 million for global public health protection, overall, and $125 million specifically for its global health security efforts. For fiscal year 2021, President Donald Trump has requested that CDC funding for global disease detection and other programs be increased further — to $225 million total, with $175 million going directly to global health security.

With its current funding, Bartee said, the CDC is actually working in “more than 60 countries” — not 10 — to address the threat of global infectious diseases and outbreaks."

I don't follow this much, but does this replicate the work of the WHO which he defunded?  The WHO funding was less wasn't it?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 07, 2020, 03:42:29 PM
... AND... she still avoided answering the question. No surprise.

Actually, she is still a pretty bright lady - but perhaps not bright enough to avoid being sucked into the Trump cult.

Or then again, she may well be simply giving Trump cult what they want to use them for her own ends. I think there is a name for people who do that. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 07, 2020, 04:04:34 PM
... AND... she still avoided answering the question. No surprise.

Actually, she is still a pretty bright lady - but perhaps not bright enough to avoid being sucked into the Trump cult.

Or then again, she may well be simply giving Trump cult what they want to use them for her own ends. I think there is a name for people who do that. Time will tell.

I’m not defending her or her intelligence. I shared a link to a tweet that made me laugh....some of you guys take this shit so seriously. And for what? Another cult on the other side of the aisle?

It’s absolutely mind boggling
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 07, 2020, 04:17:40 PM
Actually, she is still a pretty bright lady - but perhaps not bright enough to avoid being sucked into the Trump cult.

She knows:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-2015/index.html

But she'll take money too.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 07, 2020, 04:18:09 PM
What a burn! And a good point she's made - nobody knew the extent of COVID-19 in early March.

I mean, I guess the reason nobody knew anything is because her administration's defunded every federal pandemic response group we've got and then totally mismanaged the response once we knew COVID was here.... but if we just ignore all that, I mean, damn, she burnt him to a crisp!

There is actually more funding under Trump

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false-claim-about-cdcs-global-anti-pandemic-work/

“CDC did not have to cut back its work from 49 to 10 countries,” said Maureen Bartee, CDC’s associate director for Global Health Security, in a statement to FactCheck.org. “In the FY18-FY20 annual appropriations, CDC received base appropriations for global health security from Congress. This was used to continue the essential public health capacity development in the four core areas that was started in 2014 with the one-time supplemental funds.”

"CDC operating budget plans show that its funding for global public health protection — which includes global disease detection and emergency response and global public health capacity — increased from $58 million in fiscal year 2017 to around $108 million in fiscal years 2018 and 2019. (And that does not include any remaining supplemental funds available for use.) The increases included nearly $50 million more each year for CDC’s global health security initiatives.

Those amounts went up again in fiscal year 2020, when the CDC was awarded $183 million for global public health protection, overall, and $125 million specifically for its global health security efforts. For fiscal year 2021, President Donald Trump has requested that CDC funding for global disease detection and other programs be increased further — to $225 million total, with $175 million going directly to global health security.

With its current funding, Bartee said, the CDC is actually working in “more than 60 countries” — not 10 — to address the threat of global infectious diseases and outbreaks."

I don't follow this much, but does this replicate the work of the WHO which he defunded?  The WHO funding was less wasn't it?

Idk about WHO but early on in the coronavirus news people (including democratic senators and representatives) were bitching and claiming that Trump banished all CDC emergency task forces etc. that Obama had started. It’s a load of horse....even the CDC themselves commented and said they are funded even more than before!


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 07, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
I think they were talking about the NSC pandemic task force.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 07, 2020, 04:44:39 PM
I think they were talking about the NSC pandemic task force.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/20/was-white-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

That is still even debated. The impact of any change is unclear and filled with bias. The fact is they don’t like that it’s Jared Kushner. And I agree with that point. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s nonsense to say all these agencies and task forces no longer exists. Look around the globe. How many countries were prepared for this?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 07, 2020, 06:11:52 PM
" How many countries were prepared for this?"

Probably close to zero but that is not really the point. The point is that while the U.S. had more notice than many other countries Trump was not facing facts nor was he taking steps to prepare the country. Remember Nero fideling while Rome burned...

As Covid-19 spread around the world, can anyone here justify this attitude of the President who said...

"we have it totally under control"

"it will just disappear, just like that",

"it's a problem that will just go away"

"The risk to the American people remains very low"

"No we are not worried at all"

"We pretty much have shut it down"

"It pretty much goes away in April"

"Its the same as the flu"

"We only have 15 people and they are getting better"

"Now they're politicising the Coronavirus and this is their new hoax"

"It is something we have tremendous control over"

"The deaths will be brought down to a very low number"


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on May 07, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Well, she is the best looking press secretary so far, I give her that.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 07, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
That factcheck article has flawed analysis regarding the 600M expiring funds for the Public Health Preparedness and Response fund.

CDC budget is down 900M from 2018 to 2019. You can view the HHS budget for yourself here: https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/fy-2019-budget-in-brief.pdf

Pg 31 has the CDC budget for 2017-19.

600M of that was expiring funds as I mentioned. These funds were hastily re-appropriated AFTER coronavirus. Trump's budget let these funds initially expire. Whoops.

Also, not sure if you've ever worked for a large organization before, but this is definitely "getting rid" of the White House pandemic office:

Quote
“No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.” He countered that office, which he oversaw for about a year starting in July 2018, was folded into another one to streamline a bloated organization and “the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.”

In other words, we fired everyone, slashed the budget, and lumped it under Joe who is the boss' cousin.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 26, 2020, 06:26:57 PM
Responding to a question regarding President Trump's implied criticism of Vice President Joe Biden wearing a mask while out laying a wreath at a veterans park for Memorial Day, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said it's "peculiar" he doesn't wear one in his home.

DUH?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 06:55:15 PM
Responding to a question regarding President Trump's implied criticism of Vice President Joe Biden wearing a mask while out laying a wreath at a veterans park for Memorial Day, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said it's "peculiar" he doesn't wear one in his home.

DUH?

It's all she has on Biden.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cubsfan on May 27, 2020, 07:56:12 AM
Responding to a question regarding President Trump's implied criticism of Vice President Joe Biden wearing a mask while out laying a wreath at a veterans park for Memorial Day, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said it's "peculiar" he doesn't wear one in his home.

DUH?

It's all she has on Biden.


Biden needs no help in order to look like a fool.

He was doing much better when he stayed underground.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 27, 2020, 08:22:27 AM
Well speaking of fools, your leader has just accused Twitter of stifling ‘free speech’ when Twitter suggested that some of his lies should be fact checked.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
Well speaking of fools, your leader has just accused Twitter of stifling ‘free speech’ when Twitter suggested that some of his lies should be fact checked.

Isn't it amazing that the same lefties/media proponents who utilized the free speech argument to push their agendas, including the slandering of of bunch of Catholic school teenagers, now wants to have everything "fact checked" when the same sort of tactics are used on them? The hypocrisy of the left and their propaganda arm is breathtaking.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 27, 2020, 08:56:20 AM
Really? You don't think the President lies, let's say, frequently?

Remember now, he is the President of the United States. Shouldn't his citizens be able to rely on his word?

So when he does make 'incorrect statements' shouldn't his citizens be warned that they just might want to fact check the statement?

 
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 27, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
That's quite the myopic view, Greg. And you may want to reconsider your confirming example, as the Washington Post posted an editorial retraction of their coverage of that event:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-post-issues-lengthy-correction-over-covington-catholic-confrontation

When will Trump have the balls to admit he was wrong?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 09:03:50 AM
Really? You don't think the President lies, let's say, frequently?

Remember now, he is the President of the United States. Shouldn't his citizens be able to rely on his word?

So when he does make 'incorrect statements' shouldn't his citizens be warned that they just might want to fact check the statement?

I think people should be responsible for themselves. If the President wants to establish himself as a habitual liar, thats on him. Many, many, of these "incorrect statements" are basically just excuses to censor somebody's opinion.

When you buy stock, do you rely on EVERYTHING management tells you, without checking for yourself? Of course you do right? Shouldn't you be able to rely on them? What a crock...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 09:11:51 AM
That's quite the myopic view, Greg. And you may want to reconsider your confirming example, as the Washington Post posted an editorial retraction of their coverage of that event:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-post-issues-lengthy-correction-over-covington-catholic-confrontation

When will Trump have the balls to admit he was wrong?

Those outlets only wrote the retraction pieces or relabelled them as "opinion" to avoid getting sued, well after the fact. In fact, the increasing prevalence of media reporting and presenting opinion as fact is the big problem all over, I agree. But its far easier, not to mention, common sense, that pretty much anything on Twitter is opinion. Not so much stuff blasted on the front page of a news website.

It really is incredible the degradation of common sense. When I was in school, it was regularly cited, "Wikipedia is not a reliable source for your work". Fast forward now a decade or two, and Twitter more or less makes Wikipedia look like scholars work. Yet you frequently have people, even on sites like this with somewhat more sophisticated folks, who dont know any better, regularly presenting Twitter links as "OMG see! its true". 
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 09:33:33 AM
Well speaking of fools, your leader has just accused Twitter of stifling ‘free speech’ when Twitter suggested that some of his lies should be fact checked.

Isn't it amazing that the same lefties/media proponents who utilized the free speech argument to push their agendas, including the slandering of of bunch of Catholic school teenagers, now wants to have everything "fact checked" when the same sort of tactics are used on them? The hypocrisy of the left and their propaganda arm is breathtaking.

The hypocrisy of using "propaganda arm" as a Rightie is breathtaking.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 09:43:58 AM
Oh yea, I forgot about the "Rightie" propaganda arm, Russia! and all that collusion!

Or should I just take a page from Eric's book and either reply with some sort of "I know you are but what am I?" type of response, or just claim, "I am not a Rightie"...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 12:34:24 PM
Or should I just take a page from Eric's book and either reply with some sort of "I know you are but what am I?" type of response, or just claim, "I am not a Rightie"...

Seriously, do you have to pout because I revealed to you that I am not a Democrat?  Can you not be wrong or something?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 12:54:14 PM
Or should I just take a page from Eric's book and either reply with some sort of "I know you are but what am I?" type of response, or just claim, "I am not a Rightie"...

Seriously, do you have to pout because I revealed to you that I am not a Democrat?  Can you not be wrong or something?

Either you are having an identity crisis(quite common these days) or you are lying. All you do is bash Republicans and defend liberal and extreme left positions. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is still a duck, even though liberals these days will try to tell you that a duck can be a tiger if it wakes up "feeling" like one.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 27, 2020, 02:25:05 PM
I am going to jump in here too.

I keep being referred to as a "lefty" when the truth is the opposite. I have never cast a left leaning vote in my life and I have voted in one hell of a lot more elections than some of our right wing posters.. I consider myself slightly right of center.

However, if you DARE criticize the bufoon in the White House, then you are automatically a "lefty"

What some folks here don't realize is how just how far towards the extreme right they have become.

Judge yourselves accordingly.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
Or should I just take a page from Eric's book and either reply with some sort of "I know you are but what am I?" type of response, or just claim, "I am not a Rightie"...

Seriously, do you have to pout because I revealed to you that I am not a Democrat?  Can you not be wrong or something?

Either you are having an identity crisis(quite common these days) or you are lying. All you do is bash Republicans and defend liberal and extreme left positions. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is still a duck, even though liberals these days will try to tell you that a duck can be a tiger if it wakes up "feeling" like one.

I am not beholden to a party, and have no party loyalties.

Now let’s get back to your reposting the Republican propaganda line that Russian collusion is Democratic propaganda.  Hilarious.

It was found that there was no collusion.  Trump’s bizarre behavior warranted investigation.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 27, 2020, 03:29:30 PM
You two should get used to it. I have many friends on CoB&F who are smart, and articulate. These people primarily argue with facts and figures and aren't that interested in party politics. They actually laugh among themselves at the Trump supporters who lob insults at them that are completely off-base. Interestingly they do not correct them as to what their actual political leanings and beliefs are. It's pretty funny when a bunch of conservatives who know each other are watching clowns insult their c conservative friends and call them a bunch of lefties. Of course, Donald Trump is hardly a conservative or a Republican or a supporter of free markets.

These rabid Trump supporters are just contributing to what I have heard called their "anti-resume". It's just further evidence of a lack of rational thought and analysis.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 04:10:56 PM
You two should get used to it. I have many friends on CoB&F who are smart, and articulate. These people primarily argue with facts and figures and aren't that interested in party politics. They actually laugh among themselves at the Trump supporters who lob insults at them that are completely off-base. Interestingly they do not correct them as to what their actual political leanings and beliefs are. It's pretty funny when a bunch of conservatives who know each other are watching clowns insult their c conservative friends and call them a bunch of lefties. Of course, Donald Trump is hardly a conservative or a Republican or a supporter of free markets.

These rabid Trump supporters are just contributing to what I have heard called their "anti-resume". It's just further evidence of a lack of rational thought and analysis.

Yea cool story. The cover of every member of the TDS team....we're secretly conservatives too!.... we just compulsively cite leftist rhetoric, continually bash the President, and jump at every opportunity to complain about the current administration! Please. We all, assuming we invest, live and die by our own P&Ls, so who cares what the covert conservative team executive panel thinks about the resumes of strangers on a message board.. lol..GTFO with that nonsense.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
You two should get used to it. I have many friends on CoB&F who are smart, and articulate. These people primarily argue with facts and figures and aren't that interested in party politics. They actually laugh among themselves at the Trump supporters who lob insults at them that are completely off-base. Interestingly they do not correct them as to what their actual political leanings and beliefs are. It's pretty funny when a bunch of conservatives who know each other are watching clowns insult their c conservative friends and call them a bunch of lefties. Of course, Donald Trump is hardly a conservative or a Republican or a supporter of free markets.

These rabid Trump supporters are just contributing to what I have heard called their "anti-resume". It's just further evidence of a lack of rational thought and analysis.

Yea cool story. The cover of every member of the TDS team....we're secretly conservatives too!.... we just compulsively cite leftist rhetoric, continually bash the President, and jump at every opportunity to complain about the current administration! Please. We all, assuming we invest, live and die by our own P&Ls, so who cares what the covert conservative team executive panel thinks about the resumes of strangers on a message board.. lol..GTFO with that nonsense.

A whole lot of effort you spend on this straw man.  Yet you don't see yourself as the deranged one.  I don't want to interfere with your convenience, but you must not blast others for pointing to your hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
204 vs 44 vs 2

Whats that? Breakdown of politics posts vs investment idea vs Berkshire Hathaway posts for somebody whining about people who talk politics on COBF.....
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 27, 2020, 04:53:22 PM
One thing this board’s Trump fans have in common is this. When specific questions are posed about Trump’s actions they NEVER, EVER address them, defend them or try to explain them. EVER.

They follow the Trump playbook and simply avoid those issues and then try to deflect by ranting about ‘lefties’ or ‘Obama’ or the ‘left wing press’ and ‘fake news’. This gets really old.

And on the subject of the ‘left wing press’ and ‘fake news’, how do you explain that the vast majority of the world’s free press treat Trump as the buffoon that he is? Do you think it is a world wide conspiracy against him or what? Do you think that the CBC (Canada), BBC (Britain), etc are all controlled by some massive underground leftist organization? Or do you just never look at anything outside of the U.S. and how the rest of the world view the country?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Viking on May 27, 2020, 05:08:11 PM
‘Stupid is as stupid does.’ Judge a politician by their actions.

When any politician messes up they deserve to be corrected. Each time. So if a politician messes up 5 times a day they will often be corrected 5 different times. The bigger the mess the more harsh the criticism.

The constant drumbeat of criticism may appear to some as ‘piling on’ or ‘agenda’. Trump keeps messing up. Pretty much every day.

The shocking part to me is the new norm for acceptable behaviour for a person who is President. This guy is THE role model for every kid in the US. Want to lie (the bigger the better)? No problem. Want loyalty to Trump above all else (even country)? No problem. Want to insult war veterans? No problem. Want to insult minorities? No problem. Want to insult women? No problem? Want to destroy anyone you want in public? No problem. Want to undermine Americans trust in media? No problem. Want to undermine American’s belief in Democracy? No problem. Want to undermine American belief in law and order? No problem. Want to destroy American standing in the world? No problem. I could go on...

The US is one election away from becoming a one man dictatorship (in practice). No different than North Korea, Russia or China.

How anyone can think that Trump’s behaviour is a great role model for how children should grow up is simply mind boggling...

PS: my extended family thinks i am right wing :-) but that does not mean i do not hold politicians accountable for what they say and do.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 05:11:36 PM
for somebody whining about people who talk politics on COBF.....

Talking politics isn't going around berating 'libtards'.  Once you get beyond High School, that is.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 05:28:28 PM
‘Stupid is as stupid does.’ Judge a politician by their actions.

When any politician messes up they deserve to be corrected. Each time. So if a politician messes up 5 times a day they will often be corrected 5 different times. The bigger the mess the more harsh the criticism.

The constant drumbeat of criticism may appear to some as ‘piling on’ or ‘agenda’. Trump keeps messing up. Pretty much every day.

The shocking part to me is the new norm for acceptable behaviour for a person who is President. This guy is THE role model for every kid in the US. Want to lie (the bigger the better)? No problem. Want loyalty to Trump above all else (even country)? No problem. Want to insult war veterans? No problem. Want to insult minorities? No problem. Want to insult women? No problem? Want to destroy anyone you want in public? No problem. Want to undermine Americans trust in media? No problem. Want to undermine American’s belief in Democracy? No problem. Want to undermine American belief in law and order? No problem. Want to destroy American standing in the world? No problem. I could go on...

The US is one election away from becoming a one man dictatorship (in practice). No different than North Korea, Russia or China.

How anyone can think that Trump’s behaviour is a great role model for how children should grow up is simply mind boggling...

PS: my extended family thinks i am right wing :-) but that does not mean i do not hold politicians accountable for what they say and do.

The majority of those things are true.(Dont worry, in 3 posts someone will again go on a rant about how Trump supporters never admit when he does anything wrong or something like that) But guess what, Joe Biden doesnt solve fixing the issues and neither would Hillary Clinton have. Nor Mitt Romney. The system is fucked and Trump is just degrees more outrageous and blatant about doing things they all have, for pretty much eternity. This is not "the new norm" but rather the "evolution" of things. When the winning strategy is to brand people as bad things when they disagree with you, the only way to beat that strategy is to take it to an even more devious level. It never goes back.

The issue is, this is what politics has become. No child should look to, or want to be like the President. Any president. Anything more than a delusional misinformed understanding of how politics, especially higher level offices work, would immediately make that clear. The pay for play, the bribes, the two faced bs...this even goes on at local and state levels. To me, a fraud who is polished and smiles in your face is no different than a fraud who curses you out if you give him a hard time. It comes down very clearly to how these "options" handle the things important. The biggest one is the economy. And simply put, the agenda put forth from Democrats regarding free everything and no accountability is sooo bad, the you could probably run someone even worse than Trump, and still beat them. Thats probably the biggest issue. What are the alternatives? Get the delirious creep Biden in there and replace one nepotist with another but pay more in taxes and make college free?

It is what it is at this point. The answer isn't handouts and raising taxes.




Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cubsfan on May 27, 2020, 05:33:23 PM
You guys REALLY let Trump get under your skin.  Why don't you just fix your own party and be done with it.

The man is likely going to get re-elected and you can lie about him all you like, he needs no help from the LEFT,
but at this point - the LEFT is Trump's MVP for re-election. And that's on you. The average American likes what the man is doing.

If Trump ever decides to really focus on the LEFT - it will be lights out - there is way too much ammunition.

Trump is like an Armor piercing shell against the Democratic Party - they have NO defense for it.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 27, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
For f***s sake will you guys stop calling everyone a Democrat whenever someone calls out Trump for the buffoon that he is. Most of us are NOT Democrats we are simply commentating on the disaster that is the current administration.

The U.S. is supposed to be the ‘Leader of The Free World” and right now all the administration is doing is leading a disaster. That does NOT make us Democrats. Jeez many don't even live in the U.S.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 27, 2020, 06:21:21 PM
You guys REALLY let Trump get under your skin.  Why don't you just fix your own party and be done with it.

The man is likely going to get re-elected and you can lie about him all you like, he needs no help from the LEFT,
but at this point - the LEFT is Trump's MVP for re-election. And that's on you. The average American likes what the man is doing.

If Trump ever decides to really focus on the LEFT - it will be lights out - there is way too much ammunition.

Trump is like an Armor piercing shell against the Democratic Party - they have NO defense for it.

The reads like the political version of Stockholm syndrome. Trump has rear-ended the conservative party and its values - and you've decided to take it and even love it.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 08:22:28 PM
Trump is the worst of his predecessors at keeping presidentially appointed positions filled.

The greatest number of vacancies are at the Department of Homeland Security where 35% of presidentially appointed positions are unfilled.

https://ourpublicservice.org/political-appointee-tracker/


A couple of examples (chosen because Trump talks loudly about terrorism and immigration):

Commissioner, U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Secures the border to keeps out terrorists and their weapons, and facilitates lawful international trade and travel while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws and regulations, including on immigration and drugs; leads a workforce of 60,000 and oversees a budget of more than $13 billion



Director, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services

Operates the world's largest immigration system , with 19,000 employees and a $3 billion annual budget, providing information to customers, granting immigration and citizenship benefits, promoting awareness and understanding of citizenship, and ensuring the integrity of the immigration system





Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 08:30:26 PM
For f***s sake will you guys stop calling everyone a Democrat whenever someone calls out Trump for the buffoon that he is. Most of us are NOT Democrats we are simply commentating on the disaster that is the current administration.

Just watch an 80s High School teen movie and replace 'Geek' or 'Nerd' with 'Democrat' or 'Leftie'.  Any analytical opinion that doesn't support the oversimplified black and white visions of Trump and his band of 'jocks' is 'Leftie'.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 11:35:21 PM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on May 28, 2020, 12:34:59 AM
This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

One can support these goals and still have great issue with Trump and his enablers because they also bring something else: damage. Critical damage to the underlying system. A system, without which, none of the above will do much good.

This is so obvious, that honestly if you fail to see it, it clearly means your motives for supporting Trump are not all included in your above list.

As a side note: interestingly, 2 and 3 are somewhat in contradiction.  The current reliance on foreign countries, i.e. globalization, is the direct result of the blind "free market", reduction in regulation, etc.  And no, even if you drop somehow all taxes to 0 and remove all health benefits it's not going to work. The only way to remove this reliance is by various regulations and subsidies, i.e. bigger government. edit: and, just to add, this is of course not a hypothetical discussion. Trumps' big government involvement in this process can already be seen with all the new regulations coming in almost daily. 




Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 28, 2020, 03:53:26 AM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
The fact that a Trump supporter would complain about someone else coming off as inept, sexist or racist is down right hilarious. Let's not even breach formulating sentences bit.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 28, 2020, 06:19:03 AM
This is so obvious, that honestly if you fail to see it, it clearly means your motives for supporting Trump are not all included in your above list.

he bangs the drum so loudly over "identity politics", so might as well put a black-light to his list
4.  Prevent transgendered people from serving in the military
5.  Keep transgendered people from using the bathroom (I don't want my daughter to see men going into the Ladies restroom)


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 28, 2020, 07:17:25 AM
we're secretly conservatives too!....

Secret conservatives:  The Lincoln Project

"Patriotism and the survival of our nation in the face of the crimes, corruption and corrosive nature of Donald Trump are a higher calling than mere politics," Conway, Schmidt, Weaver and Wilson wrote in an op-ed for The New York Times that ran Tuesday. "As Americans, we must stem the damage he and his followers are doing to the rule of law, the Constitution and the American character."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/17/anti-trump-lincoln-project-super-pac/2672990001/
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 28, 2020, 09:02:30 AM

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Trump's followers exhibit a codependency where they will put up with absolutely any type of behavior and destruction of democratic institutions out of fear that losing Trump will result in losing #1, #2, or #3.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 28, 2020, 09:10:23 AM
You guys REALLY let Trump get under your skin.  Why don't you just fix your own party and be done with it.

The man is likely going to get re-elected and you can lie about him all you like, he needs no help from the LEFT,
but at this point - the LEFT is Trump's MVP for re-election. And that's on you. The average American likes what the man is doing.

If Trump ever decides to really focus on the LEFT - it will be lights out - there is way too much ammunition.

Trump is like an Armor piercing shell against the Democratic Party - they have NO defense for it.

The reads like the political version of Stockholm syndrome. Trump has rear-ended the conservative party and its values - and you've decided to take it and even love it.

Who would've thought a day after posting, Trump proves the point once again:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/politics/trump-executive-order-social-media.html

Quote
The Trump administration is preparing an executive order intended to curtail the legal protections that shield social media companies from liability for what gets posted on their platforms, two senior administration officials said early Thursday.

Sure sounds like a traditional conservative value!

I imagine Trump lovers must have tears rolling down their faces and forced smiles while riding on Trump's "armor piercing shell".
Turns out the pu**y he grabbed was the Republican party's.  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 28, 2020, 09:52:21 AM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
The fact that a Trump supporter would complain about someone else coming off as inept, sexist or racist is down right hilarious. Let's not even breach formulating sentences bit.

This is again a symptom of TDS. What is said is pretty straight forward. Yet, derp, derp, "Trump supporter complaining about ...." derp. No. The unmissable point, that you missed, is this. The Democratic Party has had 4 years to cultivate a viable candidate, and what they've come up with is a guy who can come off as sexist, racist, and inept! I do not believe Biden is any of these things, but he certainly provides the material. Trump does fit the bill for all these things, but guess what, victim of TDS, that has ZERO to do with the observation, or ability to observe, that THIS is the candidate they have come up with, to beat Trump....
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 28, 2020, 10:12:31 AM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
The fact that a Trump supporter would complain about someone else coming off as inept, sexist or racist is down right hilarious. Let's not even breach formulating sentences bit.

This is again a symptom of TDS. What is said is pretty straight forward. Yet, derp, derp, "Trump supporter complaining about ...." derp. No. The unmissable point, that you missed, is this. The Democratic Party has had 4 years to cultivate a viable candidate, and what they've come up with is a guy who can come off as sexist, racist, and inept! I do not believe Biden is any of these things, but he certainly provides the material. Trump does fit the bill for all these things, but guess what, victim of TDS, that has ZERO to do with the observation, or ability to observe, that THIS is the candidate they have come up with, to beat Trump....
The use of the term TDS can't be taken seriously and basically disqualifies your comments from being taken seriously.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 28, 2020, 10:31:03 AM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
The fact that a Trump supporter would complain about someone else coming off as inept, sexist or racist is down right hilarious. Let's not even breach formulating sentences bit.

This is again a symptom of TDS. What is said is pretty straight forward. Yet, derp, derp, "Trump supporter complaining about ...." derp. No. The unmissable point, that you missed, is this. The Democratic Party has had 4 years to cultivate a viable candidate, and what they've come up with is a guy who can come off as sexist, racist, and inept! I do not believe Biden is any of these things, but he certainly provides the material. Trump does fit the bill for all these things, but guess what, victim of TDS, that has ZERO to do with the observation, or ability to observe, that THIS is the candidate they have come up with, to beat Trump....
The use of the term TDS can't be taken seriously and basically disqualifies your comments from being taken seriously.

Excellent substance! I love finding one word or phrase and allowing it to impair my ability to comprehend a larger point.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 28, 2020, 10:38:27 AM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
The fact that a Trump supporter would complain about someone else coming off as inept, sexist or racist is down right hilarious. Let's not even breach formulating sentences bit.

This is again a symptom of TDS. What is said is pretty straight forward. Yet, derp, derp, "Trump supporter complaining about ...." derp. No. The unmissable point, that you missed, is this. The Democratic Party has had 4 years to cultivate a viable candidate, and what they've come up with is a guy who can come off as sexist, racist, and inept! I do not believe Biden is any of these things, but he certainly provides the material. Trump does fit the bill for all these things, but guess what, victim of TDS, that has ZERO to do with the observation, or ability to observe, that THIS is the candidate they have come up with, to beat Trump....
The use of the term TDS can't be taken seriously and basically disqualifies your comments from being taken seriously.

Excellent substance! I love finding one word or phrase and allowing it to impair my ability to comprehend a larger point.
That was meant as constructive criticism regarding the impact you likely have on many of your readers. I'd like to see you do better.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 28, 2020, 03:22:08 PM
Yep, the Democrats decided that all they really want is boring old Joe. Turns out that they don't want they hot, new, exciting candidate, that they don't a revolution. After 3 years of scandal and assault on every decency in this world they just want some peace so Joe it is.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cubsfan on May 28, 2020, 04:36:12 PM

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat.

It is SO simple. Even the Republican Party needed to be destroyed by Trump in the 2016 primaries. Trump took on a the strongest field of
Republicans ever and DESTROYED them.

How?

The issues Greg just mentioned, PLUS trade and immigration.
Trump disregarded the guttless Republicans on THE ISSUES AMERICANS REALLY CARED ABOUT.

He took Trade and Immigration (and therefore job creation) from issues #99 and #100 - and made them issues #1 and #2.
The Republican Party TOTALLY opposed him on this. The Electorate was TOTALLY behind him. That is why the man was elected.

With those issues - Trade (China), Immigration (build the wall) - Trump showed Americans he would protect and create jobs and better their lives.

IT'S SO SIMPLE.

Republicans fought him tooth and nail - and he has now remade the Republican party INTO the "Party of the Working Class".

SO SIMPLE.

Trump is an Armor Piercing Shell (just for you LC) that will destroy another party that is totally out of touch with the Electorate.

Bye-bye Democrats.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 28, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
Why don’t you back up your claims for once. Show us the trade statistics pre- and post- Trump’s policies. Show us the immigration trends pre- and post-Trump’s policies.

And also try addressing the fact that our federal budget is ballooning once again (and this is pre-COVID and without a global financial crisis!). How is this consistent with your claim that Trump is shrinking federal govt?

How is Trump in touch with the electorate if he cannot secure they popular vote? Why does evidence consistently run contrary to your nonsensical talking points?

Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 28, 2020, 06:12:02 PM
Yes it is SO SIMPLE for Cubs.

Because... He NEVER backs up his claims with facts and he will NEVER directly address anyone else’s statements. He has been challenged many times to support his claims and he has been challenged many times to refute other’s arguments with facts.

It is SO SIMPLE when you are full of hot air.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on May 28, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Responding to a question regarding President Trump's implied criticism of Vice President Joe Biden wearing a mask while out laying a wreath at a veterans park for Memorial Day, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said it's "peculiar" he doesn't wear one in his home.

DUH?

It's all she has on Biden.


Biden needs no help in order to look like a fool.

He was doing much better when he stayed underground.

Trump would look much better as well if he stayed underground. In fact I think the government would work much better as well.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 28, 2020, 08:22:43 PM
LOL do you guys hear yourselves?

Its "your" job to hold Trump accountable? Hows that working for you? Whens the last time he listened? Seems to me like he's getting worse...

You're "independents" who support extreme left policies even down to men using women's bathrooms!

This is very simple and black and white. Trump is the candidate who is more likely to bring:
1) lower taxes
2) less government
3) less reliance on foreign countries

Its that simple. If I thought a Democrat would accomplish this, I'd vote Democrat. I dont care about his personal conduct or moral compass because universally pretty much all politicians are scumbags. Look at Dem hero William Jefferson Clinton! New intimate ties to Epstein! Go hold him accountable... Nah, just vote for Biden who has been a second rate accomplice throughout his entire career and cant even formulate sentences anymore without coming off inept, sexist, or racist.
The fact that a Trump supporter would complain about someone else coming off as inept, sexist or racist is down right hilarious. Let's not even breach formulating sentences bit.

This is again a symptom of TDS. What is said is pretty straight forward. Yet, derp, derp, "Trump supporter complaining about ...." derp. No. The unmissable point, that you missed, is this. The Democratic Party has had 4 years to cultivate a viable candidate, and what they've come up with is a guy who can come off as sexist, racist, and inept! I do not believe Biden is any of these things, but he certainly provides the material. Trump does fit the bill for all these things, but guess what, victim of TDS, that has ZERO to do with the observation, or ability to observe, that THIS is the candidate they have come up with, to beat Trump....
The use of the term TDS can't be taken seriously and basically disqualifies your comments from being taken seriously.

Excellent substance! I love finding one word or phrase and allowing it to impair my ability to comprehend a larger point.
That was meant as constructive criticism regarding the impact you likely have on many of your readers. I'd like to see you do better.

+1
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on May 28, 2020, 10:29:56 PM

This is a trashcan thread anyhow, so I'll just throw this in:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/downing-street-plans-new-5g-club-of-democracies-bfnd5wj57

I found this article to be extremely interesting due to this sentence:

"The government has approached Washington about a “D10” club of democratic partners, based on the G7 plus Australia, South Korea and India."

Perhaps, this is one of the first steps towards tiered globalization. 

If they do implement this, then there will be incentives and a push to have manufacturing and services in locations that have D10 infrastructure. Surely 5g is just the first step. This naturally means manufacturing will flow out of non-D10 towards D10 supported countries.





Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 29, 2020, 04:09:21 AM
Yep, the Democrats decided that all they really want is boring old Joe. Turns out that they don't want they hot, new, exciting candidate, that they don't a revolution. After 3 years of scandal and assault on every decency in this world they just want some peace so Joe it is.
Exactly right. In this upside down world, the "conservatives" wanted a revolutionary and the "progressives" want to slow down the rate of change.

Given the amount of meddling Trump tries to do in the economy, we also have "conservatives" supporting an interventionist, because that radical revolutionary has cut the budget to some agencies and talks about small government. Ask Twitter how they feel about an interventionist who wants to meddle based on personal interests and whims.

Equally or more important than low taxes, etc is a level playing field and a predictable business environment. If it were running a business, I am guessing that for most businesses, I would choose a predictable, fair environment over what Trump is offering. Owners and managers want to be able to know what the rules are, and feel they can make reasonably accurate forecasts before making investments.

Also, if I were running a plant I wouldn't appreciate the President telling me I can't move production overseas or that I have to bring production back. Plus if I were running Google, I would appreciate an announcement that my company is going to build a website that we know nothing about. I could keep giving examples, but I will quit and summarize by saying that I think businesses might prefer a boring candidate.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 05:58:35 AM
Yep, the Democrats decided that all they really want is boring old Joe. Turns out that they don't want they hot, new, exciting candidate, that they don't a revolution. After 3 years of scandal and assault on every decency in this world they just want some peace so Joe it is.
Exactly right. In this upside down world, the "conservatives" wanted a revolutionary and the "progressives" want to slow down the rate of change.

Given the amount of meddling Trump tries to do in the economy, we also have "conservatives" supporting an interventionist, because that radical revolutionary has cut the budget to some agencies and talks about small government. Ask Twitter how they feel about an interventionist who wants to meddle based on personal interests and whims.

Equally or more important than low taxes, etc is a level playing field and a predictable business environment. If it were running a business, I am guessing that for most businesses, I would choose a predictable, fair environment over what Trump is offering. Owners and managers want to be able to know what the rules are, and feel they can make reasonably accurate forecasts before making investments.

Also, if I were running a plant I wouldn't appreciate the President telling me I can't move production overseas or that I have to bring production back. Plus if I were running Google, I would appreciate an announcement that my company is going to build a website that we know nothing about. I could keep giving examples, but I will quit and summarize by saying that I think businesses might prefer a boring candidate.

I am a centrist, and Biden is a centrist.  I'll vote for Biden. 

Take the views of all Democrats and all Republicans, make a venn diagram, and politically I'm in between them all, a hybrid of Democrat and Republican. 

Biden just needs to not collapse on his sword with some stupid VP pick like Warren -- if he chooses Warren, I'll be face-palming because I cannot stand listening to her.  She is not a big-picture thinker.  Biden already has every single Democrat vote, additional Republican centrist votes, and Warren can't bring any additional votes to the table -- she can only jeopardize the ones he already has.

There are some easy VP picks out there.  Michigan's Governor: Trump is good at knowing who will beat him, and that is who Trump has picked for Biden's VP.  The Republican women who loved Sarah Palin can vote for her.

Trump is losing Republican centrists.  The Lincoln Project:  there has been no such thing before that I can remember from my lifetime.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on May 29, 2020, 06:36:45 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/famed-democratic-pollster-warren-as-vp-would-lead-to-biden-victory/ar-BB14Ha4x?li=BBnb7Kz

"Earlier this month, he briefed top Biden campaign officials on two battleground surveys conducted by his firm. Accompanied by a slide presentation that was obtained by POLITICO, Greenberg addressed the question hanging over Biden and his inner circle: Which vice presidential candidate will help the most in November?

The conclusion was blunt: “Senator Warren is the obvious solution.”"
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 29, 2020, 08:29:32 AM
I think that due to his age Biden has to pick someone younger as VP. So I think there's zero chance it's Warren.

It may be "the woman from Michigan" but I don't think so. I think they'll go with someone tested. who has been around the block. If you pick a mid first term Governor you may run into a Sarah Palin situation. My guess is it'll be a senator from a blue state. I don't think it'll be Amy Clobuchar but that would be a great pick.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cubsfan on May 29, 2020, 11:59:51 AM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 29, 2020, 12:16:46 PM
Yep, the Democrats decided that all they really want is boring old Joe. Turns out that they don't want they hot, new, exciting candidate, that they don't a revolution. After 3 years of scandal and assault on every decency in this world they just want some peace so Joe it is.
Exactly right. In this upside down world, the "conservatives" wanted a revolutionary and the "progressives" want to slow down the rate of change.

Given the amount of meddling Trump tries to do in the economy, we also have "conservatives" supporting an interventionist, because that radical revolutionary has cut the budget to some agencies and talks about small government. Ask Twitter how they feel about an interventionist who wants to meddle based on personal interests and whims.

Equally or more important than low taxes, etc is a level playing field and a predictable business environment. If it were running a business, I am guessing that for most businesses, I would choose a predictable, fair environment over what Trump is offering. Owners and managers want to be able to know what the rules are, and feel they can make reasonably accurate forecasts before making investments.

Also, if I were running a plant I wouldn't appreciate the President telling me I can't move production overseas or that I have to bring production back. Plus if I were running Google, I would appreciate an announcement that my company is going to build a website that we know nothing about. I could keep giving examples, but I will quit and summarize by saying that I think businesses might prefer a boring candidate.

I am a centrist, and Biden is a centrist.  I'll vote for Biden. 

Take the views of all Democrats and all Republicans, make a venn diagram, and politically I'm in between them all, a hybrid of Democrat and Republican. 

Biden just needs to not collapse on his sword with some stupid VP pick like Warren -- if he chooses Warren, I'll be face-palming because I cannot stand listening to her.  She is not a big-picture thinker.  Biden already has every single Democrat vote, additional Republican centrist votes, and Warren can't bring any additional votes to the table -- she can only jeopardize the ones he already has.

There are some easy VP picks out there.  Michigan's Governor: Trump is good at knowing who will beat him, and that is who Trump has picked for Biden's VP.  The Republican women who loved Sarah Palin can vote for her.

Trump is losing Republican centrists.  The Lincoln Project:  there has been no such thing before that I can remember from my lifetime.

Eric,

I have tried to pin you politically in the past and you certainly have been a mixed bag. If I had to pick, I would say mostly conservative fiscally, but liberal socially with maybe a dusting of the opposite in a few categories.

Why not vote Libertarian? Why vote for an old rich white demented pedo like Biden? I honestly don't see how anyone can bash Trump and then vote for Biden. Remove their personalities and they are very similar on paper.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 29, 2020, 12:45:01 PM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on May 29, 2020, 12:58:09 PM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Be careful or Sanjeev will Cardboard you...being rude while Republican is not equal to being rude while Democrat.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cubsfan on May 29, 2020, 01:04:37 PM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.


Be careful or Sanjeev will Cardboard you...being rude while Republican is not equal to being rude while Democrat.

Perfectly ok to call the opposition Chumps, I see - thanks for the warning G.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
Why not vote Libertarian? Why vote for an old rich white demented pedo like Biden? I honestly don't see how anyone can bash Trump and then vote for Biden. Remove their personalities and they are very similar on paper.

The Libertarians don't have some of the Democratic or Republican values that I have.  I have no problem with my floating political position, my paternal grandmother would not join a political party because in her life experience that's what gets you rounded up and shot when things don't go the way of your party.  I don't share her reasoning, but I enjoyed discussing politics and current events with her because she could be very objective, not taking partisan positions and I believe it helps seeing things as they really are because you wind up listening to both sides and making up your own mind without the pressures of defending your home team's position.

Biden does the same hair & shoulder touching of adult women -- the adult women who complain about it say it is not a sexual thing, but they clearly did not like it at the same time, and women know when it's a sexual thing.  The 'pedo' claims reference the same behavior.  I acknowledged what he is doing, and I listened closely to what his adult female critics said.

compared to,

Trump's accusers who say it is a sexual thing, and one of them was 16 and in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment. 

Sure, Trump says he is a target for women who want to be paid off.  Biden has been a senator for decades, making him a target of the same kind of women.  So clearly there's a very big difference between the scoreboard there:  Trump's mob of women he assaulted, vs not a single one for Biden (except the one who now faces serious questions around lying as an expert witness for the Monterey courts).




Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Parsad on May 29, 2020, 01:53:41 PM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Be careful or Sanjeev will Cardboard you...being rude while Republican is not equal to being rude while Democrat.


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Your wish is my command!  10 days...no posting...enjoy the peace and quiet until you learn to stop being assholes!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 29, 2020, 02:50:11 PM
cubsfan, you've made a mountain out of a molehill in an effort to further obfuscate the point: that you make repeated claims and do not provide the evidence to support them.

It's a rhetorical strategy (used by Trump no less) and while it may work on some people, with a little critical thinking it's easy to see through.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 29, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
Why not vote Libertarian? Why vote for an old rich white demented pedo like Biden? I honestly don't see how anyone can bash Trump and then vote for Biden. Remove their personalities and they are very similar on paper.

The Libertarians don't have some of the Democratic or Republican values that I have.  I have no problem with my floating political position, my paternal grandmother would not join a political party because in her life experience that's what gets you rounded up and shot when things don't go the way of your party.  I don't share her reasoning, but I enjoyed discussing politics and current events with her because she could be very objective, not taking partisan positions and I believe it helps seeing things as they really are because you wind up listening to both sides and making up your own mind without the pressures of defending your home team's position.

Biden does the same hair & shoulder touching of adult women -- the adult women who complain about it say it is not a sexual thing, but they clearly did not like it at the same time, and women know when it's a sexual thing.  The 'pedo' claims reference the same behavior.  I acknowledged what he is doing, and I listened closely to what his adult female critics said.

compared to,

Trump's accusers who say it is a sexual thing, and one of them was 16 and in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment. 

Sure, Trump says he is a target for women who want to be paid off.  Biden has been a senator for decades, making him a target of the same kind of women.  So clearly there's a very big difference between the scoreboard there:  Trump's mob of women he assaulted, vs not a single one for Biden (except the one who now faces serious questions around lying as an expert witness for the Monterey courts).

Not talking about the adults
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 29, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
Is there some credible accusation out there that Joe Biden fucked some kids? Internet people don't count.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
Why not vote Libertarian? Why vote for an old rich white demented pedo like Biden? I honestly don't see how anyone can bash Trump and then vote for Biden. Remove their personalities and they are very similar on paper.

The Libertarians don't have some of the Democratic or Republican values that I have.  I have no problem with my floating political position, my paternal grandmother would not join a political party because in her life experience that's what gets you rounded up and shot when things don't go the way of your party.  I don't share her reasoning, but I enjoyed discussing politics and current events with her because she could be very objective, not taking partisan positions and I believe it helps seeing things as they really are because you wind up listening to both sides and making up your own mind without the pressures of defending your home team's position.

Biden does the same hair & shoulder touching of adult women -- the adult women who complain about it say it is not a sexual thing, but they clearly did not like it at the same time, and women know when it's a sexual thing.  The 'pedo' claims reference the same behavior.  I acknowledged what he is doing, and I listened closely to what his adult female critics said.

compared to,

Trump's accusers who say it is a sexual thing, and one of them was 16 and in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment. 

Sure, Trump says he is a target for women who want to be paid off.  Biden has been a senator for decades, making him a target of the same kind of women.  So clearly there's a very big difference between the scoreboard there:  Trump's mob of women he assaulted, vs not a single one for Biden (except the one who now faces serious questions around lying as an expert witness for the Monterey courts).

Not talking about the adults

The adults are treated the same way by Biden, I've seen video.  I'm thinking for myself.

Look at photos:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/01/joe-biden-spox-some-photos-of-vp-smelling-womens-hair-forgeries/

Are you saying pedophiles are going to do this in front of the press?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 03:45:09 PM
Is there some credible accusation out there that Joe Biden fucked some kids? Internet people don't count.

Eight years as Obama's VP.  He went through extensive vetting and not a single person ever made a statement of having sex with Biden, consensual or otherwise.  Conservatives wanted to avoid that second term and must have turned up every rock imaginable.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 29, 2020, 04:11:30 PM
Is there some credible accusation out there that Joe Biden fucked some kids? Internet people don't count.

Eight years as Obama's VP.  He went through extensive vetting and not a single person ever made a statement of having sex with Biden, consensual or otherwise.  Conservatives wanted to avoid that second term and must have turned up every rock imaginable.
That's why they have to resort to stretched innuendo and conspiracies from internet dudes. If they had anything real they'd front, right, and center with it - they're not the shy type. But there isn't any.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on May 29, 2020, 04:15:25 PM
Yep, the Democrats decided that all they really want is boring old Joe. Turns out that they don't want they hot, new, exciting candidate, that they don't a revolution. After 3 years of scandal and assault on every decency in this world they just want some peace so Joe it is.
Exactly right. In this upside down world, the "conservatives" wanted a revolutionary and the "progressives" want to slow down the rate of change.

Given the amount of meddling Trump tries to do in the economy, we also have "conservatives" supporting an interventionist, because that radical revolutionary has cut the budget to some agencies and talks about small government. Ask Twitter how they feel about an interventionist who wants to meddle based on personal interests and whims.

Equally or more important than low taxes, etc is a level playing field and a predictable business environment. If it were running a business, I am guessing that for most businesses, I would choose a predictable, fair environment over what Trump is offering. Owners and managers want to be able to know what the rules are, and feel they can make reasonably accurate forecasts before making investments.

Also, if I were running a plant I wouldn't appreciate the President telling me I can't move production overseas or that I have to bring production back. Plus if I were running Google, I would appreciate an announcement that my company is going to build a website that we know nothing about. I could keep giving examples, but I will quit and summarize by saying that I think businesses might prefer a boring candidate.

We don’t need “progressives “ like AOC, Bernie or Andrew Young any more. They won already without even getting nominated. It’s quite the irony.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 29, 2020, 04:16:18 PM
Here is a video of Joe being creepy and inappropriate with kids. Took about 2 seconds to find in YT. How is this not disgusting?

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco

Don’t mind the cringe song...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 29, 2020, 04:41:42 PM
Yea, based on the subtitles you can tell that the guy (and his avatar) who put this together is really an unbiased person trying to spread the truth.

Here's a truth. Until recently politicians kissing kids used to be a thing. Just something they would do for the masses. Where I came from taking pictures of naked babies on their belleys used to be a thing. I think it was a thing in America too but I'm not 100% sure because I'm an immigrant. I was there when some pictures were taken of my sisters and we have them. I'm sure there are some pictures of me but I don't have them because back then my parents didn't have a camera. Were my parent creating child porn? Surely some crepo could get aroused by those pictures and some partisan could try to argue it that way. But I was there and I don't think so.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 29, 2020, 04:49:48 PM
By the way, I've rewatched the video and most of those senators involved we Republicans. So how many Republican senators came out and said that Joe Biden behaved inappropriately and assaulted their children?

Somehow I don't thin that Republican Senators have a lot of love for Joe Biden right now to keep his dark deeds hidden at the expense of their children.

But you have a youtube video posted by some internet guy with a green face avatar. So that must be the ultimate truth. ::)
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
Here is a video of Joe being creepy and inappropriate with kids. Took about 2 seconds to find in YT. How is this not disgusting?

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco

Don’t mind the cringe song...

He is talking into her ear, you can see his jaw muscles moving.  That's exactly what the adult women say he is doing, in exactly the same pose.

Same man, same behavior, not sexual.

The guy who put this together is exploiting a child and for political purpose.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 05:15:34 PM
Imagine being that child, or that child's parent, and having conservatives circulate that video in order for their candidate to win instead of condemning it for what it is.  That is what is sick.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 29, 2020, 05:28:25 PM
Yep, the Democrats decided that all they really want is boring old Joe. Turns out that they don't want they hot, new, exciting candidate, that they don't a revolution. After 3 years of scandal and assault on every decency in this world they just want some peace so Joe it is.
Exactly right. In this upside down world, the "conservatives" wanted a revolutionary and the "progressives" want to slow down the rate of change.

Given the amount of meddling Trump tries to do in the economy, we also have "conservatives" supporting an interventionist, because that radical revolutionary has cut the budget to some agencies and talks about small government. Ask Twitter how they feel about an interventionist who wants to meddle based on personal interests and whims.

Equally or more important than low taxes, etc is a level playing field and a predictable business environment. If it were running a business, I am guessing that for most businesses, I would choose a predictable, fair environment over what Trump is offering. Owners and managers want to be able to know what the rules are, and feel they can make reasonably accurate forecasts before making investments.

Also, if I were running a plant I wouldn't appreciate the President telling me I can't move production overseas or that I have to bring production back. Plus if I were running Google, I would appreciate an announcement that my company is going to build a website that we know nothing about. I could keep giving examples, but I will quit and summarize by saying that I think businesses might prefer a boring candidate.

We don’t need “progressives “ like AOC, Bernie or Andrew Young any more. They won already without even getting nominated. It’s quite the irony.
By progressives, I actually meant the Democratic party which is generally considered more progressive in the USA. So it's kind of funny that they have chosen someone who is criticized for being, old, boring and part of the old guard. So essentially the "party of change" is choosing to go back to the way thing were at least in style if not in substance.

In the meantime, the Republicans, previously known as "conservatives" who in the USA are thought of as historically wanting a slow rate of change and preservation of the status quo now want to conserve nothing and blow it all up through supporting Trump.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 29, 2020, 05:39:32 PM
cubsfan, you've made a mountain out of a molehill in an effort to further obfuscate the point: that you make repeated claims and do not provide the evidence to support them.

It's a rhetorical strategy (used by Trump no less) and while it may work on some people, with a little critical thinking it's easy to see through.
It's not really clear from Parsad's post, but I am guessing it may take 10 days to get a response.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 29, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Yea, based on the subtitles you can tell that the guy (and his avatar) who put this together is really an unbiased person trying to spread the truth.

Here's a truth. Until recently politicians kissing kids used to be a thing. Just something they would do for the masses. Where I came from taking pictures of naked babies on their belleys used to be a thing. I think it was a thing in America too but I'm not 100% sure because I'm an immigrant. I was there when some pictures were taken of my sisters and we have them. I'm sure there are some pictures of me but I don't have them because back then my parents didn't have a camera. Were my parent creating child porn? Surely some crepo could get aroused by those pictures and some partisan could try to argue it that way. But I was there and I don't think so.

You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. The dipshit who created the video put together VIDEO footage of Hoe Biden groping kids (many of whom looked uncomfortable. Fondling children’s hair the way he did is inappropriate. Joe has also said many things about kids.

The fucking mental gymnastics you guys can pull to try and justify it is unreal. So here you have footage of Creepy Joe, and we have no footage of Trump (who For the record, I think is a bit creepy as well) yet you’ll castrate Trump and make excuses for Joe bringing up completely u related naked baby pictures of yourself as a baby? Also the sad attempt at saying “well the majority of the people in that picture are Republicans! Ha! Gotcha now!”

Wtf!?

Sad.....if any guy touched one of my kids the way Joe was touching, grabbing, holding, and fondling those kids they would get their face pushed in.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 29, 2020, 06:26:24 PM
A child looking uncomfortable at a Senate confirmation hearing.  Dragged along by their parents.  Dressed up and told to stand still.  Cameras watching them.  Biden understands this, engages them a little, and whispers into their ear.  It's his damn confirmation that they've been dragged along to after all.

But it seems more plausible to you that he is groping the children on camera for pleasure while their parents stand alongside him.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 29, 2020, 06:35:49 PM
A child looking uncomfortable at a Senate confirmation hearing.  Dragged along by their parents.  Dressed up and told to stand still.  Cameras watching them.  Biden understands this, engages them a little, and whispers into their ear.  It's his damn confirmation that they've been dragged along to after all.

But it seems more plausible to you that he is groping the children on camera for pleasure while their parents stand alongside him.

I guess you would feel comfortable letting your kids spend the day with Joe?

Video is clear as day...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 30, 2020, 06:30:43 AM
Jeez Castanza, glad you weren't one of my parents. Nothing worse that people trying to apply today's social rules to older times, but we see it all the time.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 30, 2020, 12:32:43 PM
I find Biden's behavior cringeworthy, but I personally knew a former politician who behaved just like that. He was from another time. I wasn't around back then, but I'm guessing this person's style of pressing the flesh and kissing babies was dated back in the 60's. Interestingly he might have been just the type of elder statesman that Biden might have emulated or been influenced by. My guess is that his behavior might have been normal 100 years ago, out of date 50 years ago and today there are people who can't distinguish between him and a predator.

That to me though is exactly why this behavior might have been common 100 years ago and not accepted today. We shouldn't allow behavior toward children that makes it difficult to identify the predators.

In the case of the elderly politician that I mentioned, every woman I knew claimed to like his attention and none of them thought it was sexual. It was absolutely bizarre to me, but that was what it was.

I think it's also important to note that western society's attitude and norms around public displays of affection or around the appropriate treatment of children has changed substantially over time.
 
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Parsad on May 30, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
I have to admit, I find Joe’s behaviour a bit creepy.  But no different than Trump’s behaviour and comments about his own daughter...which is even weirder!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 12:47:08 PM
and today there are people who can't distinguish between him and a predator.

And Biden has a record of meaning well but being completely misunderstood:

Like when he jokingly quoted John Wayne "why you're a lyiin' no good dog-faced pony soldier".  That was in jest and he meant absolute nothing by it, and expected other people to view him as personable and funny.  Instead, he was met with:  Oh my Gosh!!!  He called that woman a dog!!! And a liar!!!  And a Pony!!!

Or when he said that you can't be black and vote for Trump.  He was completely misunderstood and taken too literally.

He's corny and he is well-meaning.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Vish_ram on May 30, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
I find these comments amusing. Even more amusing is the expectation of morality from politicians, of all people.

My perception is that there are two kinds of men: Men who cheat and Men who didn't have the opportunity to cheat. Some may have a higher bar that theyve not come across, and some lower.

The morality is just artificially introduced by the religions, just to maintain law and order, reduce societal conflicts and improve peace and harmony. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The people who become politicians are those with highest ego, the need to dominate people, Type A/narcissistic personalities, need to build wealth  acquire power all under the guise of serving the people. They will do anything that they can get away with.

The argument about one piece of turd stinking less than the other in the public cesspool is Just ridiculous.

Look no further than the catholic priests the purveyors of morality Who have destroyed the lives of innocent children. The same applies to other religious heads as well. It is just that they are well suppressed.

Look at yourself in the mirror. What if you had infinite power and abilities. What depravity will you be part of? Focus on that and be a better man/woman.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 30, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
I have to admit, I find Joe’s behaviour a bit creepy.  But no different than Trump’s behaviour and comments about his own daughter...which is even weirder!  Cheers!
Good points and I anticipate that Joe will change his behavior and be apologetic. That's good enough for me.

Old habits do die hard though. Just look at people trying not to be as demonstrably friendly in order maintain physical distancing during the pandemic. It's easy to forget.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 30, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
Let me get this right. Kissing babies is cringeworthy and creepy but grabbing women by the pu$$y is okay if you are the president. Oh well, I guess I am just a little old fashioned because i don't see those actions in the same universe.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 01:34:32 PM
My perception is that there are two kinds of men: Men who cheat and Men who didn't have the opportunity to cheat.

Cheating is immoral only because it hurts the other party and exposes them to health risks that they are not being made aware of.

There is no place for it.  Get a divorce.  Have an arrangement.  Swing.  There are other options.  Cheating is wrong and spineless.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 30, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
Let me get this right. Kissing babies is cringeworthy and creepy but grabbing women by the pu$$y is okay if you are the president. Oh well, I guess I am just a little old fashioned because i don't see those actions in the same universe.
Actually Trump is accused of rape by a long list of women including an underage girl who accused him of rape in connection with Jeffrey Epstein.

Here's a list of 25 who accuse Trump of misconduct.
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 02:18:16 PM
I have to admit, I find Joe’s behaviour a bit creepy.  But no different than Trump’s behaviour and comments about his own daughter...which is even weirder!  Cheers!

Trump is also creepy with women. Biden also has talked about (on campaign rally’s) how when he was a life guard he liked when kids would come up and play with the hair on his legs....that’s not normal in any context. Let’s also not forget he kisses his quite old granddaughter on the lips.

Say it’s “just from his old ways” doesn’t mean shit imo. Times change and so should expectations.

It’s like excusing some old guy for being a racists today because back when he was in his 20’s segregation still existed. It’s nonsense. Neither Joe nor Trump should be president. They’re both complete bat shit crazy morons.

 Vish you have a point. Comparing one turd to another is dumb. And I agree that power corrupts. It’s a special kind of person who wants to become a politician imo. That’s why Lincoln said himself “Most any man can handle tough times. But if you want to truly test a man, give him power.” I do disagree about your analysis of cheating men. As Eric said why cheat? There are plenty of options. But that’s besides the point.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 30, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Let me get this right. Kissing babies is cringeworthy and creepy but grabbing women by the pu$$y is okay if you are the president. Oh well, I guess I am just a little old fashioned because i don't see those actions in the same universe.
Actually Trump is accused of rape by a long list of women including an underage girl who accused him of rape in connection with Jeffrey Epstein.

Here's a list of 25 who accuse Trump of misconduct.
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

Yes, there is also that little detail. But all those willfully blind, fine, upstanding devout Christians will still find it within themselves to vote for Trump while they delude themselves into believing that "well the other guy is worse".
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 03:57:13 PM
I don't know what makes people believe what they believe.  In the mid-late nineties at UCLA there was a female black student from Compton whom I often sat with who believed that Star Wars was racist because Darth Vader was black (both the outfit, and also that James Earl Jones was the voice).  I pointed out that the emperor was an old white guy, the storm troopers were white, and Lando was also black.  She was having nothing of it.


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Parsad on May 30, 2020, 04:09:03 PM
and today there are people who can't distinguish between him and a predator.

And Biden has a record of meaning well but being completely misunderstood:

Like when he jokingly quoted John Wayne "why you're a lyiin' no good dog-faced pony soldier".  That was in jest and he meant absolute nothing by it, and expected other people to view him as personable and funny.  Instead, he was met with:  Oh my Gosh!!!  He called that woman a dog!!! And a liar!!!  And a Pony!!!

Or when he said that you can't be black and vote for Trump.  He was completely misunderstood and taken too literally.

He's corny and he is well-meaning.

I would have agreed with this in the past, but after Bill Cosby came out as a serial rapist who drugged his victims, those innocent old Cosby shows of him giving Rudy and her friends bucking horse rides on his knee now seem cringeworthy.  I loved that show and even if they aired it, I could not watch it anymore.  Just because Joe's behavior may have been the norm 20-40-60 years ago, doesn't mean it should be today.  Nor Trump's comments about Ivanka! 

What makes me upset is how Republicans are throwing shade on Biden, because he's Trump's competition.  If he was a Republican, they would be defending the very same behavior, because they defend it in Trump.  Obama didn't do anything even remotely close to this stuff...lovingly looked at and was married to one woman...is a Christian who goes to church and lives by Christian ideals...yet there was a fervent, cult-like attempt to prove he wasn't American-born.  I have to ask Castanza, as well as cubsfan and Gregmal if they weren't banned for 10 days, but how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?!  You guys aren't going after Biden's birth certificate!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 30, 2020, 04:34:35 PM
I have to admit, I find Joe’s behaviour a bit creepy.  But no different than Trump’s behaviour and comments about his own daughter...which is even weirder!  Cheers!

Trump is also creepy with women. Biden also has talked about (on campaign rally’s) how when he was a life guard he liked when kids would come up and play with the hair on his legs....that’s not normal in any context. Let’s also not forget he kisses his quite old granddaughter on the lips.

Say it’s “just from his old ways” doesn’t mean shit imo. Times change and so should expectations.

It’s like excusing some old guy for being a racists today because back when he was in his 20’s segregation still existed. It’s nonsense. Neither Joe nor Trump should be president. They’re both complete bat shit crazy morons.

 Vish you have a point. Comparing one turd to another is dumb. And I agree that power corrupts. It’s a special kind of person who wants to become a politician imo. That’s why Lincoln said himself “Most any man can handle tough times. But if you want to truly test a man, give him power.” I do disagree about your analysis of cheating men. As Eric said why cheat? There are plenty of options. But that’s besides the point.
You seem pretty reasonable in this post, but I am left puzzled by what your point really is. Aren't you the one that brought up this subject?

Are you basically a Trump apologist? Is your apology for Trump basically "sure Trump did some bad stuff, but Biden looks a little fishy. Sure what Trump did was 10,000x worse, but don't forget Biden isn't perfect."

I am just puzzled as to why you would even bring it up. It seems obvious that no one is perfect and all the responses you have gotten seem to concede that Biden should alter his behavior, and likely already has, but that on a relative basis its immaterial.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
and today there are people who can't distinguish between him and a predator.

And Biden has a record of meaning well but being completely misunderstood:

Like when he jokingly quoted John Wayne "why you're a lyiin' no good dog-faced pony soldier".  That was in jest and he meant absolute nothing by it, and expected other people to view him as personable and funny.  Instead, he was met with:  Oh my Gosh!!!  He called that woman a dog!!! And a liar!!!  And a Pony!!!

Or when he said that you can't be black and vote for Trump.  He was completely misunderstood and taken too literally.

He's corny and he is well-meaning.

I would have agreed with this in the past, but after Bill Cosby came out as a serial rapist who drugged his victims, those innocent old Cosby shows of him giving Rudy and her friends bucking horse rides on his knee now seem cringeworthy.  I loved that show and even if they aired it, I could not watch it anymore.  Just because Joe's behavior may have been the norm 20-40-60 years ago, doesn't mean it should be today.  Nor Trump's comments about Ivanka! 

What makes me upset is how Republicans are throwing shade on Biden, because he's Trump's competition.  If he was a Republican, they would be defending the very same behavior, because they defend it in Trump.  Obama didn't do anything even remotely close to this stuff...lovingly looked at and was married to one woman...is a Christian who goes to church and lives by Christian ideals...yet there was a fervent, cult-like attempt to prove he wasn't American-born.  I have to ask Castanza, as well as cubsfan and Gregmal if they weren't banned for 10 days, but how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?!  You guys aren't going after Biden's birth certificate!  Cheers!

I’m not a republican and for the most part never had an issue with Obama. He was respectful and professional. I didn’t agree with a lot of his policies and how he handled some international relations but that’s that. If I’m not mistaken, I believe Cubsfan voted for Obama.

To say it’s racist idk (I honestly don’t remember all the dialogue around it) ...in general it seems people have forgotten what that term racist actually means. But for sure there were racists who pushed that narrative in a specific light which was racist (and was completely un founded). But if I had to guess there were probably many individuals who wanted to know the truth without doing so in a racist way. The lack of details from his background initially (at least how I remember it)  were quickly latched on by the msm....would you expect anything less? I wasn’t even old enough to vote for Obama’s first term so maybe I’m not the best one to answer that!  ;D

If I had to choose right now. I would probably rather have Obama in office than Trump. I would have considered voting Democrat this year if the nominee  would have been someone other than Joe Biden and all of the other candidates. Amy K wasn’t terrible...but idk there were some big issues I had with her stances too. fwiw there haven’t been any Republicans I’ve liked in a while either. But if I have to vote for either party I would probably lean Republican because of their tend towards conservative fiscal policy. And I say that with extreme hesitancy, because it really hasn’t been true for a long time. A lot of social stuff minus a few topics are better handled socially and not legislatively. Take the current situation with Mr. Floyd. People want change, but I don’t understand what specifically would be done legislatively to change things? I think community effort and outreach is far more effective for much of the social angst in America. Not all, but a lot.

Generally my views are aligned with fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Much of my extended family is Christian and I often argue with them that it’s not their job to push Christian values in the masses. The Bible is actually very specific about this as well. It’s something forgotten by most Christians as legalism took hold. The point of America is to live and let live.

I can’t help but draw a distinction between today’s political tribes and McCarthyism....quite alarming. And Eric is right. Trump is quickly becoming a populist. But the Democratic Party is quickly becoming something equally as harmful (more McCarthyism).
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 04:38:15 PM
I have to admit, I find Joe’s behaviour a bit creepy.  But no different than Trump’s behaviour and comments about his own daughter...which is even weirder!  Cheers!

Trump is also creepy with women. Biden also has talked about (on campaign rally’s) how when he was a life guard he liked when kids would come up and play with the hair on his legs....that’s not normal in any context. Let’s also not forget he kisses his quite old granddaughter on the lips.

Say it’s “just from his old ways” doesn’t mean shit imo. Times change and so should expectations.

It’s like excusing some old guy for being a racists today because back when he was in his 20’s segregation still existed. It’s nonsense. Neither Joe nor Trump should be president. They’re both complete bat shit crazy morons.

 Vish you have a point. Comparing one turd to another is dumb. And I agree that power corrupts. It’s a special kind of person who wants to become a politician imo. That’s why Lincoln said himself “Most any man can handle tough times. But if you want to truly test a man, give him power.” I do disagree about your analysis of cheating men. As Eric said why cheat? There are plenty of options. But that’s besides the point.
You seem pretty reasonable in this post, but I am left puzzled by what your point really is. Aren't you the one that brought up this subject?

Are you basically a Trump apologist? Is your apology for Trump basically "sure Trump did some bad stuff, but Biden looks a little fishy. Sure what Trump did was 10,000x worse, but don't forget Biden isn't perfect."

I am just puzzled as to why you would even bring it up. It seems obvious that no one is perfect and all the responses you have gotten seem to concede that Biden should alter his behavior, and likely already has, but that on a relative basis its immaterial.

My point is everyone in this board is too smart to vote for either of these assholes. I’m saying party tribalism seems to exist heavily in all walks of life and across all levels of intelligence.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 30, 2020, 04:51:24 PM


I’m not a republican and for the most part never had an issue with Obama. He was respectful and professional. I didn’t agree with a lot of his policies and how he handled some international relations but that’s that. If I’m not mistaken, I believe Cubsfan voted for Obama.

To say it’s racist idk (I honestly don’t remember all the dialogue around it) ...in general it seems people have forgotten what that term racist actually means. But for sure there were racists who pushed that narrative in a specific light which was racist (and was completely un founded). But if I had to guess there were probably many individuals who wanted to know the truth without doing so in a racist way. The lack of details from his background initially (at least how I remember it)  were quickly latched on by the msm....would you expect anything less? I wasn’t even old enough to vote for Obama’s first term so maybe I’m not the best one to answer that!  ;D

If I had to choose right now. I would probably rather have Obama in office than Trump. I would have considered voting Democrat this year if the nominee  would have been someone other than Joe Biden and all of the other candidates. Amy K wasn’t terrible...but idk there were some big issues I had with her stances too. fwiw there haven’t been any Republicans I’ve liked in a while either. But if I have to vote for either party I would probably lean Republican because of their tend towards conservative fiscal policy. And I say that with extreme hesitancy, because it really hasn’t been true for a long time. A lot of social stuff minus a few topics are better handled socially and not legislatively. Take the current situation with Mr. Floyd. People want change, but I don’t understand what specifically would be done legislatively to change things? I think community effort and outreach is far more effective for much of the social angst in America. Not all, but a lot.

Generally my views are aligned with fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Much of my extended family is Christian and I often argue with them that it’s not their job to push Christian values in the masses. The Bible is actually very specific about this as well. It’s something forgotten by most Christians as legalism took hold. The point of America is to live and let live.

I can’t help but draw a distinction between today’s political tribes and McCarthyism....quite alarming. And Eric is right. Trump is quickly becoming a populist. But the Democratic Party is quickly becoming something equally as harmful (more McCarthyism).
This makes a lot of sense and I think this board is actually full of people who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It seems like with the two party system there is never a good choice for people with those preferences. One good alternative is to vote for a lefty for president and righty's for Congress. Divided government also leads to a more stagnant regulatory environment which is more predictable and understandable for business and divided government tends to lead to periods of outperformance in the real economy.

I take issue with the idea that Trump is fiscally conservative. Have you looked at the stats? We are arguably in worse shape than ever before and the only way that would haven't been the case is if you assume that the US economy just kept growing and growing. Any set back in the idea that the economy would grow forever was basically guaranteed to create a ridiculous debt burden. Another four years with Trump is just going to make it worse. He's bankrupted a huge portion of his business ventures and those who predicted he would do the same to the USA now look prescient.

I also agree that there are portions of the left in the USA that are very dangerous, and that many of them seek to empower themselves by dividing the Nation in ways that are unnecessary and destructive, but I don't think McCarthyism is the best comparison and if you are going to compare to McCarthyism, please note that Trump himself is in a direct lineage from McCarthy himself. Trump was basically trained in politics by Roy Cohn who was as responsible, if not more responsible, for McCarthyism as McCarthy himself. If you're really worried about McCarthyism, you should research the techniques employed, those who employed them, the connection to Trump, and Trump's use of McCarthyism techniques.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 30, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
My point is everyone in this board is too smart to vote for either of these assholes. I’m saying party tribalism seems to exist heavily in all walks of life and across all levels of intelligence.
Point taken and I won't try to argue these two points.

I would like to make two points of my own. You have to vote for someone so why not try to pick the lesser of the evils. Do you really think it's Trump?

If you aren't sure who is the lesser of the evils, I might also suggest that you might consider voting for Biden because if you can't get what you want (fiscally conservative and socially liberal) simultaneously then why not vote for government that is divided or diversified over time. In other words a vote for Biden could help prevent the pendulum from swinging too far in the other direction.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 05:01:27 PM
I have a daughter who was diagnosed with Asperger's when she was two years old.  She is 14 now.  She has struggled with not understanding how others will view her comments, and she offends people by accident again and again, and again and again and again.  But she is completely innocent of any ill-meaning.

The way Joe Biden acts it could be a plausible explanation that he is on the Autism spectrum.

Whether it be his inappropriate but not ill-meaning comments, or his physical communication, he has struggled to learn to be appropriate and is a step behind.  He consistently struggles to get through public social appearances without messing up again.

If I am correct, he will make a terrific president because he will be rule-bound and honest.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 30, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
“... how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?”

As I read this I am watching the racial unrest that has escalated across the U.S. over the past few days and thinking that the pigeons are coming home to rest.

Trump has done nothing to resolve racial issues, in fact he has done the opposite in an effort to attract the fringe element on which he depends for a certain percentage of his base.

With all the civil unrest and his mis-handling of the virus, watch out for what comes next because the old rule runs, “when you have internal problems, start external problems”.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 05:25:51 PM
“... how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?”

As I read this I am watching the racial unrest that has escalated across the U.S. over the past few days and thinking that the pigeons are coming home to rest.

Trump has done nothing to resolve racial issues, in fact he has done the opposite in an effort to attract the fringe element on which he depends for a certain percentage of his base.

With all the civil unrest and his mis-handling of the virus, watch out for what comes next because the old rule runs, “when you have internal problems, start external problems”.

In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 30, 2020, 05:28:47 PM
Trump has always been a populist, but he had turned socially conservative and fiscally liberal. In that regards, it is impossible to do worse.

Also, he was always a populist from day 1. On this board people from all sides acknowledged it.

Couple of questions to Castanza: what is preferable about Trump vs Biden? I am genuine curious.

Also, on your comment of “the left is becoming something similar ala McCarthysim” what do you mean?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 05:47:56 PM
Trump has always been a populist, but he had turned socially conservative and fiscally liberal. In that regards, it is impossible to do worse.

Also, he was always a populist from day 1. On this board people from all sides acknowledged it.

Couple of questions to Castanza: what is preferable about Trump vs Biden? I am genuine curious.

Also, on your comment of “the left is becoming something similar ala McCarthysim” what do you mean?

Nothing is preferable. I don’t plan on voting for either. In the beginning? Perhaps it was the chance of the unknown.

When referring to McCarthyism (maybe it is t the best term) but I’m referring to the immediate silencing of opposing views. The idea that conversations end with scientific consensus instead of begin. Forced acceptance over forced tolerance. On a local level it’s even more visible (on both sides). So many people are labeled and categories and lumped into groups for maybe only having one view on something. Look at the work place and what’s going on there. How many people get fired for having opinions outside of work? Look at what happened to that Google engineer two years ago.

I guess some Aristotle is appropriate. “A mark of a well educated man is their ability to entertain an idea without accepting it.”

There are a lot of people who cannot do that today. I’m not perfect either. And I’m sure my opinions are not all “correct”. I’ve changed many over the years and try to keep an open mind.

Btw: do any fly fishing recently? Took off a day last week and was crushing them. Fifteen browns and rainbows in two hours.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 06:02:15 PM
Btw: do any fly fishing recently? Took off a day last week and was crushing them. Fifteen browns and rainbows in two hours.

That's my thing too.  Where were you?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 30, 2020, 06:06:32 PM
“In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism?”

Well I think that if the President set a better example that would help.

Castanza, I would like to be able to answer that the chosen leaders are smarter than we are and they will come up with a solution. I would like to say that. But I can’t.

However, I agree with much of what you said. I also believe that as much as we have a police/racial problem I think that part of the problem is that the police view the public - no matter what color - as an us verses them. (The Blue Wall). The police believe that they have look after their own fist and close ranks against any criticism needs to change. That is not why they are paid. They are paid to look after the general public.

Sorry to interrupt your fishing stories. :)  Carry on guys.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
Perhaps some PTSD from:
Persistent stress from serving in areas where their presence is resented
Policing violent neighborhoods posing a constant threat to their safety

We already know that it isn't a good idea to keep a soldier in combat too long and there are tour of duty limits.  Is there such a safety valve for police service?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on May 30, 2020, 06:32:43 PM
No question that there are reasons for some police to have an "attiude" but that is not an excuse. They need to be better than that.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 06:37:39 PM
Btw: do any fly fishing recently? Took off a day last week and was crushing them. Fifteen browns and rainbows in two hours.

That's my thing too.  Where were you?

I drove a bit to fish the Yellow Breeches in PA. Great little limestone creek. Not as exotic as some of the western stuff some of you guys might be familiar with but great in its own way. PA has some nice little tribs and mountain springs that hold native brookies.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 30, 2020, 06:44:29 PM
“In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism?”

Well I think that if the President set a better example that would help.

Castanza, I would like to be able to answer that the chosen leaders are smarter than we are and they will come up with a solution. I would like to say that. But I can’t.

However, I agree with much of what you said. I also believe that as much as we have a police/racial problem I think that part of the problem is that the police view the public - no matter what color - as an us verses them. (The Blue Wall). The police believe that they have look after their own fist and close ranks against any criticism needs to change. That is not why they are paid. They are paid to look after the general public.

Sorry to interrupt your fishing stories. :)  Carry on guys.

Yes absolutely. I think it’s pretty obvious that minorities take the brunt of the abuse. But there are also plenty of cases of others being murdered for no reason. Two examples below (not to take away from the current situation). And I will say this situation does suck for those cops who try to do good. But hey, you’ve got to hold yours accountable.

Daniel Shaver - body cam footage is haunting. Not for the faint of heart.

Duncan Lemp
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
So is the President going to address the nation or what?  Is he hiding?  I'm chatting with a friend in Emeryville who is boarding up his windows.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 30, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
Did some fishing last week in the high mountains...guess I should’ve stayed up there. Denver riots are a mess, cops and FD are doing a good job.

Fishing was great, pulled up x3 15in rainbows in the first half hour!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 30, 2020, 09:43:42 PM
And Castanza to your point: the left (at their worst) are intolerant as you mention. They will not even allow a critical voice if it does not fit their mold. On the flip side, the right, again at their worst, have an excuse for everything. Two sides of the same, crappy coin.

The worst is as we're seeing tonight where folks are (apparently) coming in from out of state and hijacking legitimate protests into riots.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 30, 2020, 10:24:21 PM
Yep, Black Lives Matter was only an Obama thing.  You notice how it all went away under Trump?  Hahaha.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 31, 2020, 02:30:14 AM
When referring to McCarthyism (maybe it is t the best term)
I prefer the term "the illiberal left".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 31, 2020, 02:37:07 AM
Yep, Black Lives Matter was only an Obama thing.  You notice how it all went away under Trump?  Hahaha.
My guess is that Trump will fan the flames of riots as long as he can. He basically runs and campaigns on anger. Anger spreads fastest virally through social media and he is the social media president. Riots during a pandemic are great for angering his base. He is not the type to help resolve this situation, but is instead motivated to prolong the protests and the violence.

He definitely thinks that its better for some portion of the society to believe he is helping to incite race riots than for 90% of the USA to think thoughts about Coronavirus which are detrimental to his reelection. Expect more of the same. Trump is great at distraction and changing the subject so he will likely fan the flames.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on May 31, 2020, 04:39:32 AM
Yep, Black Lives Matter was only an Obama thing.  You notice how it all went away under Trump?  Hahaha.
My guess is that Trump will fan the flames of riots as long as he can. He basically runs and campaigns on anger. Anger spreads fastest virally through social media and he is the social media president. Riots during a pandemic are great for angering his base. He is not the type to help resolve this situation, but is instead motivated to prolong the protests and the violence.

He definitely thinks that its better for some portion of the society to believe he is helping to incite race riots than for 90% of the USA to think thoughts about Coronavirus which are detrimental to his reelection. Expect more of the same. Trump is great at distraction and changing the subject so he will likely fan the flames.

Pretty sad to see how a legitimate cause is abused by a militant crowd to riot and set cities ablaze. There is a second world underground in the US that seems just waiting to erupt. The same underground is part of the reason that makes the virus so “successful” in the US, imo.

I know feel more like a deja vu with the 60’s in terms of political framework. Back then It was the Vietnam war that was dividing the nation, now it’s more the inequality. Our generations Vietnam now is similar to our war against the “Invisible enemy”. Trump is not helping, but he is more like a accelerant than the root cause of the fire.

 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-police-protests-george-death-floyd-bob-kroll-cops-for-trump-a9538976.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/minneapolis-police-protests-george-death-floyd-bob-kroll-cops-for-trump-a9538976.html)

Just from my experience living and experience two distinct countries (Germany, various locations in the US) I felt pretty intimidated by the police in many situations in the US more so than I felt protected. I had some good experiences, but also bad ones both in Northern CA as well as in Long Island where I felt like they are acting inappropriate relative to the situation. I belong to the white majority and I would guess with more skin color, the experience would have been far worse.

I like the folks in my town and the cops in NH seem friendly too. Of course there is little crime in both locations, so I guess the “blue wall” and us vs them doesn’t manifest itself.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 31, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
Yep, Black Lives Matter was only an Obama thing.  You notice how it all went away under Trump?  Hahaha.
My guess is that Trump will fan the flames of riots as long as he can. He basically runs and campaigns on anger. Anger spreads fastest virally through social media and he is the social media president. Riots during a pandemic are great for angering his base. He is not the type to help resolve this situation, but is instead motivated to prolong the protests and the violence.

He definitely thinks that its better for some portion of the society to believe he is helping to incite race riots than for 90% of the USA to think thoughts about Coronavirus which are detrimental to his reelection. Expect more of the same. Trump is great at distraction and changing the subject so he will likely fan the flames.

And the GOP is blaming the "radical left" and will now declare Antifa a "terrorist organization".

The riots are not organized, they are spontaneous and chaotic.  Just like with coronavirus, Trump blames "the left".
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 31, 2020, 01:39:17 PM
But if I have to vote for either party I would probably lean Republican because of their tend towards conservative fiscal policy. And I say that with extreme hesitancy, because it really hasn’t been true for a long time.
I burst out laughing when I read this.

If you weren't old enough to vote for Obama the first time. Please let me know of a Republican Administration from your lifetime that was fiscally conservative. I'm afraid that you just bought the bullshit.

Sure, you're hesitant. But when we start to measure in adult lifetimes I would say the jury is in on that one.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 31, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?
I don't think that there us a legislative silver bullet to end racism. But legislation can help.

One way to think about it was the civil right movement and the accompanying legislation. Before desegregation you would have your daddy explain to you how "niggers" are like rats etc. And you would believe it because your dad loves you and why would he lie. Problem is your dad's a racist. But then desegregation comes and you get to go to school with those people. You come to realize that your dad is wrong.

Did civil rights legislation end racism? No. But it sure had a big part to play in the decline of it. Obama was born when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Do you think without it he would have been able to become President?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 31, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism?

Only 10% of non-white legislators are Republican.

Whether or not they or their voters are racist, it projects an image of the country's rules being made up by white people who are concurrently vocalizing their anger over "identity politics".
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 04:12:19 PM
But if I have to vote for either party I would probably lean Republican because of their tend towards conservative fiscal policy. And I say that with extreme hesitancy, because it really hasn’t been true for a long time.
I burst out laughing when I read this.

If you weren't old enough to vote for Obama the first time. Please let me know of a Republican Administration from your lifetime that was fiscally conservative. I'm afraid that you just bought the bullshit.

Sure, you're hesitant. But when we start to measure in adult lifetimes I would say the jury is in on that one.

Did u not read the last sentence? What has a higher chance of being fiscally conservative? Voting for a party that at least discussed it? Or voting for a party that openly talks about trillion dollar welfare programs?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
Yep, Black Lives Matter was only an Obama thing.  You notice how it all went away under Trump?  Hahaha.
My guess is that Trump will fan the flames of riots as long as he can. He basically runs and campaigns on anger. Anger spreads fastest virally through social media and he is the social media president. Riots during a pandemic are great for angering his base. He is not the type to help resolve this situation, but is instead motivated to prolong the protests and the violence.

He definitely thinks that its better for some portion of the society to believe he is helping to incite race riots than for 90% of the USA to think thoughts about Coronavirus which are detrimental to his reelection. Expect more of the same. Trump is great at distraction and changing the subject so he will likely fan the flames.

And the GOP is blaming the "radical left" and will now declare Antifa a "terrorist organization".

The riots are not organized, they are spontaneous and chaotic.  Just like with coronavirus, Trump blames "the left".

There are plenty of videos out there of peaceful African American protesters calling out the antifa groups destroying property. But yeah, in general it seems pretty spontaneous. Anything from a Verizon store, ATMs, Footlockers etc all getting looted. I wonder what the economic impact will be?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 04:31:07 PM
In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?
I don't think that there us a legislative silver bullet to end racism. But legislation can help.

One way to think about it was the civil right movement and the accompanying legislation. Before desegregation you would have your daddy explain to you how "niggers" are like rats etc. And you would believe it because your dad loves you and why would he lie. Problem is your dad's a racist. But then desegregation comes and you get to go to school with those people. You come to realize that your dad is wrong.

Did civil rights legislation end racism? No. But it sure had a big part to play in the decline of it. Obama was born when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Do you think without it he would have been able to become President?

That’s the difference though. MLK has a clear vision of legislative changes and a path to them. Today it just seems unorganized and spontaneous.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 04:32:35 PM
And Castanza to your point: the left (at their worst) are intolerant as you mention. They will not even allow a critical voice if it does not fit their mold. On the flip side, the right, again at their worst, have an excuse for everything. Two sides of the same, crappy coin.

The worst is as we're seeing tonight where folks are (apparently) coming in from out of state and hijacking legitimate protests into riots.

Nice, sounds like a good day on the water.

And for sure, both sides are guilty in their own ways.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 31, 2020, 04:40:58 PM
Two more items:

-On the fiscal conservatives - the last President to run a budget surplus was good ole Bill Clinton. Bush was plagued by NeverEndingWar vols 1. Obama was stuck with NeverEndingWar vol 2 and QE^2, and now Stumpy with COVID.

Therefore, perhaps ideology, policy, and promises have nothing to do with it - the largest spending items have been pretty much out of everyone's control.

-On the riots: While we can certainly shoot blame at these nonsense rioters - what bothers me is the police response. We talk about holding the police to a higher standard but it never seems to happen, does it? There was some disturbing video going around on the police response during curfews to bystanders and press. I would urge folks to take a look (this was compiled by someone on reddit):

Quote
firing something at innocent person on their porch:

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo
cop appearing to be enjoying himself today:

https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151
cop shooting something at guy for saying "fuck you":

https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151
cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:

https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151
nypd driving into protestors:

https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod
cops shoving an old dude to the ground:

https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151
police actively seeking out fights compilation:

https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251
cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:

https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251
cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09
police shooting the press with rubber bullets:

https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151
police arresting a CNN reporter:

https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151
police doing a drive-by pepper spraying

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609
photographer being pepper sprayed:

https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg
guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:

https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251
lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:

https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg
https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137
reporter blinded by rubber bullets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19
reporter describes getting tear gassed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422
couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19
young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:

https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20
reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317

reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778
cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:

https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229
photographer arrested:

https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE
Columbus police assaulting protestors:

https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610
congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html

7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:

https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151
cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251
young child allegedly pepper sprayed:

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest

horse tramples young woman, police investigating: https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/

cop pushes protestor with his bike

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20
Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 31, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
But if I have to vote for either party I would probably lean Republican because of their tend towards conservative fiscal policy. And I say that with extreme hesitancy, because it really hasn’t been true for a long time.
I burst out laughing when I read this.

If you weren't old enough to vote for Obama the first time. Please let me know of a Republican Administration from your lifetime that was fiscally conservative. I'm afraid that you just bought the bullshit.

Sure, you're hesitant. But when we start to measure in adult lifetimes I would say the jury is in on that one.

Did u not read the last sentence? What has a higher chance of being fiscally conservative? Voting for a party that at least discussed it? Or voting for a party that openly talks about trillion dollar welfare programs?
I did read the last sentence. That's why it was so funny and I think you bought the bullshit. You go based on what they talk about. I go based on what they do.

And what was actually done in your lifetime is that the Republican administrations have been fiscally profligate and the Democratic ones have been fiscally conservative. So I'll go with the facts, not the bullshit. I can't blame you too much though, they're really good at the bullshit.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 04:50:08 PM
Two more items:

-On the fiscal conservatives - the last President to run a budget surplus was good ole Bill Clinton. Bush was plagued by NeverEndingWar vols 1. Obama was stuck with NeverEndingWar vol 2 and QE^2, and now Stumpy with COVID.

Therefore, perhaps ideology, policy, and promises have nothing to do with it - the largest spending items have been pretty much out of everyone's control.

-On the riots: While we can certainly shoot blame at these nonsense rioters - what bothers me is the police response. We talk about holding the police to a higher standard but it never seems to happen, does it? There was some disturbing video going around on the police response during curfews to bystanders and press. I would urge folks to take a look (this was compiled by someone on reddit):

Quote
firing something at innocent person on their porch:

https://streamable.com/u2jzoo
cop appearing to be enjoying himself today:

https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151
cop shooting something at guy for saying "fuck you":

https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151
cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:

https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151
nypd driving into protestors:

https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod
cops shoving an old dude to the ground:

https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151
police actively seeking out fights compilation:

https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251
cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:

https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251
cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09
police shooting the press with rubber bullets:

https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151
police arresting a CNN reporter:

https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151
police doing a drive-by pepper spraying

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609
photographer being pepper sprayed:

https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg
guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:

https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251
lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:

https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg
https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137
reporter blinded by rubber bullets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19
reporter describes getting tear gassed:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422
couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19
young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:

https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20
reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317

reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778
cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:

https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229
photographer arrested:

https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE
Columbus police assaulting protestors:

https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610
congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html

7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:

https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151
cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251
young child allegedly pepper sprayed:

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest

horse tramples young woman, police investigating: https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/

cop pushes protestor with his bike

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20
Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050


Absolutely.....it’s getting out of hand and honestly I think there is going to me military intervention. It’s only a matter of time until this starts pushing out of city centers into neighborhoods. Crazy times
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 31, 2020, 05:00:05 PM
In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?
I don't think that there us a legislative silver bullet to end racism. But legislation can help.

One way to think about it was the civil right movement and the accompanying legislation. Before desegregation you would have your daddy explain to you how "niggers" are like rats etc. And you would believe it because your dad loves you and why would he lie. Problem is your dad's a racist. But then desegregation comes and you get to go to school with those people. You come to realize that your dad is wrong.

Did civil rights legislation end racism? No. But it sure had a big part to play in the decline of it. Obama was born when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Do you think without it he would have been able to become President?

That’s the difference though. MLK has a clear vision of legislative changes and a path to them. Today it just seems unorganized and spontaneous.
You're right. It does. I was mainly responding to your question regarding whether legislation can help with racism and I think it did in the past.

But what's going on now with the protests I don't think it has to do with racism. More with murder. Racism is a state of beliefs. I can be a racist. That's ok. I am entitled to my own beliefs and that's perfectly legal. If I go and kill a bunch of black people, that's not ok. I'm not allowed to do that.

Things do seem disorganized maybe that's the day and age. But maybe the marches and all the stuff during MLK's time that seem reasonable to you right now seemed very unwieldy to the folk back then too. I can't say I don't know any of the people from back then.

But maybe the laws aren't working and this type of stuff needs to happen. Sexual harassment and rape are illegal. That's clear. There are laws that state that. Yet you had tons of that going on and the law wasn't applied. Then you had the MeToo movement which was unorganized and unwieldy but kinda got the job done. You can't deny that there has been a paradigm shift in that space.

Similarly it's illegal to murder people. Whether you are a cop or not. Yet these events seem kinda murdery. So it seems you have a movement unorganized and unwieldy to enforce those laws. Just as an example how laws are not followed, you have the President of the United States stating that when looting starts the shooting starts right? Now looting is wrong and illegal. I'm no lawyer but as far as I know the penalty for looting is not death. The penalty for a lot of offences is not death either but it becomes that if one interacts with the police in the US. This is what a lot of this seems to be about from what I can see.

To wrap it up, since we started this from a legislative perspective. I think laws further crystallizing what police can do will probably help. Because it does seem that when that "bad apple" breaks someones neck in a murderous act they tend to walk off because the law is full of holes.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Parsad on May 31, 2020, 05:02:55 PM
“... how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?”

As I read this I am watching the racial unrest that has escalated across the U.S. over the past few days and thinking that the pigeons are coming home to rest.

Trump has done nothing to resolve racial issues, in fact he has done the opposite in an effort to attract the fringe element on which he depends for a certain percentage of his base.

With all the civil unrest and his mis-handling of the virus, watch out for what comes next because the old rule runs, “when you have internal problems, start external problems”.

In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?

I agree with you.  I think blatant, obvious racism is on a decline, while mixed marriages are increasing and may have some countering effect.  But I think there remains an inherent racist bias underlying society.  To say that we haven't progressed from the 1960's is wrong, but to say that we've fixed everything is equally wrong.  When the first black President of the United States is put up to such unforgiving scrutiny about his birth, while this question is never even asked of President's before and after him, is shocking! 

That didn't happen in Canada when Jagmeet Singh, a Sikh, ran for Prime Minister.  But it did happen in the United States!  No one questioned Tulsi Gabbard about her birth certificate, or Donald Trump, or Joe Biden, or even Ted Cruz!  But a black President in office and through his entire tenure, even after providing backing evidence, is still scrutinized as if there was a conspiracy or he lied.  Forget about everything else that Obama was asked about...just the ridiculousness of the birther stuff is crazy and racist enough!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on May 31, 2020, 05:09:46 PM
Two more items:

-On the fiscal conservatives - the last President to run a budget surplus was good ole Bill Clinton. Bush was plagued by NeverEndingWar vols 1. Obama was stuck with NeverEndingWar vol 2 and QE^2, and now Stumpy with COVID.

Therefore, perhaps ideology, policy, and promises have nothing to do with it - the largest spending items have been pretty much out of everyone's control.
Give me a fucking break. Obama at his worst ran a trillion dollar deficit with 2 full blown wars and an economic meltdown. Trump ran a trillion dollar deficit in a period of relative calm, with a booming economy and a low unemployment rate.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 05:30:03 PM
“... how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?”

As I read this I am watching the racial unrest that has escalated across the U.S. over the past few days and thinking that the pigeons are coming home to rest.

Trump has done nothing to resolve racial issues, in fact he has done the opposite in an effort to attract the fringe element on which he depends for a certain percentage of his base.

With all the civil unrest and his mis-handling of the virus, watch out for what comes next because the old rule runs, “when you have internal problems, start external problems”.

In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?

I agree with you.  I think blatant, obvious racism is on a decline, while mixed marriages are increasing and may have some countering effect.  But I think there remains an inherent racist bias underlying society.  To say that we haven't progressed from the 1960's is wrong, but to say that we've fixed everything is equally wrong.  When the first black President of the United States is put up to such unforgiving scrutiny about his birth, while this question is never even asked of President's before and after him, is shocking! 

That didn't happen in Canada when Jagmeet Singh, a Sikh, ran for Prime Minister.  But it did happen in the United States!  No one questioned Tulsi Gabbard about her birth certificate, or Donald Trump, or Joe Biden, or even Ted Cruz!  But a black President in office and through his entire tenure, even after providing backing evidence, is still scrutinized as if there was a conspiracy or he lied.  Forget about everything else that Obama was asked about...just the ridiculousness of the birther stuff is crazy and racist enough!  Cheers!

Again, I think there is some truth to what you say. There were clearly racists who didn’t want Obama I. Office. But I knew a hell of a lot of republicans and conservatives who love Herman Cain, Ben Carson, and Condoleezza Rice. I doubt any of them would ha e been questioned about background. Larry Sharpe is a good guy to get behind imo.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 05:37:16 PM
In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?
I don't think that there us a legislative silver bullet to end racism. But legislation can help.

One way to think about it was the civil right movement and the accompanying legislation. Before desegregation you would have your daddy explain to you how "niggers" are like rats etc. And you would believe it because your dad loves you and why would he lie. Problem is your dad's a racist. But then desegregation comes and you get to go to school with those people. You come to realize that your dad is wrong.

Did civil rights legislation end racism? No. But it sure had a big part to play in the decline of it. Obama was born when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Do you think without it he would have been able to become President?

That’s the difference though. MLK has a clear vision of legislative changes and a path to them. Today it just seems unorganized and spontaneous.
You're right. It does. I was mainly responding to your question regarding whether legislation can help with racism and I think it did in the past.

But what's going on now with the protests I don't think it has to do with racism. More with murder. Racism is a state of beliefs. I can be a racist. That's ok. I am entitled to my own beliefs and that's perfectly legal. If I go and kill a bunch of black people, that's not ok. I'm not allowed to do that.

Things do seem disorganized maybe that's the day and age. But maybe the marches and all the stuff during MLK's time that seem reasonable to you right now seemed very unwieldy to the folk back then too. I can't say I don't know any of the people from back then.

But maybe the laws aren't working and this type of stuff needs to happen. Sexual harassment and rape are illegal. That's clear. There are laws that state that. Yet you had tons of that going on and the law wasn't applied. Then you had the MeToo movement which was unorganized and unwieldy but kinda got the job done. You can't deny that there has been a paradigm shift in that space.

Similarly it's illegal to murder people. Whether you are a cop or not. Yet these events seem kinda murdery. So it seems you have a movement unorganized and unwieldy to enforce those laws. Just as an example how laws are not followed, you have the President of the United States stating that when looting starts the shooting starts right? Now looting is wrong and illegal. I'm no lawyer but as far as I know the penalty for looting is not death. The penalty for a lot of offences is not death either but it becomes that if one interacts with the police in the US. This is what a lot of this seems to be about from what I can see.

To wrap it up, since we started this from a legislative perspective. I think laws further crystallizing what police can do will probably help. Because it does seem that when that "bad apple" breaks someones neck in a murderous act they tend to walk off because the law is full of holes.

Yeah, there is most definitely some issues with the internals of law enforcement and how they work. Probably best to start there.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on May 31, 2020, 05:47:28 PM
Two more items:

-On the fiscal conservatives - the last President to run a budget surplus was good ole Bill Clinton. Bush was plagued by NeverEndingWar vols 1. Obama was stuck with NeverEndingWar vol 2 and QE^2, and now Stumpy with COVID.

Therefore, perhaps ideology, policy, and promises have nothing to do with it - the largest spending items have been pretty much out of everyone's control.
Give me a fucking break. Obama at his worst ran a trillion dollar deficit with 2 full blown wars and an economic meltdown. Trump ran a trillion dollar deficit in a period of relative calm, with a booming economy and a low unemployment rate.

I suppose we can argue the scale of the wars were a choice - but 9/11 was not in Bush's control. The GFC was not in Obama's control. COVID was not in Trump's control. These are the 3 major "discretionary" spending points of the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 31, 2020, 06:36:36 PM
So is the President going to address the nation or what?  Is he hiding?  I'm chatting with a friend in Emeryville who is boarding up his windows.

Answer:  hiding:

Trump briefly taken to underground bunker during Friday's White House protests

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

This may have been while Biden was eating Trump's lunch in calling for calm.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Parsad on May 31, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
“... how could the Republican attempts to discredit Obama be taken as nothing but a racist, colonial act?”

As I read this I am watching the racial unrest that has escalated across the U.S. over the past few days and thinking that the pigeons are coming home to rest.

Trump has done nothing to resolve racial issues, in fact he has done the opposite in an effort to attract the fringe element on which he depends for a certain percentage of his base.

With all the civil unrest and his mis-handling of the virus, watch out for what comes next because the old rule runs, “when you have internal problems, start external problems”.

In all seriousness what can be done legislatively to end racism? I get the emotion and the seriousness of it. I just don’t see how any legislative actions could prevent some asshole pos cop from getting on a police force. Maybe there is something I can’t think of?

In general I think racism is in a decline. I think as generations. Come and go there will be a great reduction in it once again. I don’t want to speak for minorities as I know it exists and have heard stories from many of minority friends on issues that they’ve had. How can it be changed other than through community action and action on an individual level?

I agree with you.  I think blatant, obvious racism is on a decline, while mixed marriages are increasing and may have some countering effect.  But I think there remains an inherent racist bias underlying society.  To say that we haven't progressed from the 1960's is wrong, but to say that we've fixed everything is equally wrong.  When the first black President of the United States is put up to such unforgiving scrutiny about his birth, while this question is never even asked of President's before and after him, is shocking! 

That didn't happen in Canada when Jagmeet Singh, a Sikh, ran for Prime Minister.  But it did happen in the United States!  No one questioned Tulsi Gabbard about her birth certificate, or Donald Trump, or Joe Biden, or even Ted Cruz!  But a black President in office and through his entire tenure, even after providing backing evidence, is still scrutinized as if there was a conspiracy or he lied.  Forget about everything else that Obama was asked about...just the ridiculousness of the birther stuff is crazy and racist enough!  Cheers!

Again, I think there is some truth to what you say. There were clearly racists who didn’t want Obama I. Office. But I knew a hell of a lot of republicans and conservatives who love Herman Cain, Ben Carson, and Condoleezza Rice. I doubt any of them would ha e been questioned about background. Larry Sharpe is a good guy to get behind imo.

That's my point!  No one was asking for Cain, Carson or Rice's birth certificate, because they were towing the Republican party line.  White slave owner's never second-guessed the intentions of their house slaves, because they looked after the slave owner and his family.  They knew those slaves had no intention of running the household or redistributing their wealth.  Thus why I perceive the birther movement as a residue of colonial racist sympathies..."this house slave thinks he's going to tell me what to do!  Well, he's not even an American!"  Cheers!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on May 31, 2020, 07:02:21 PM
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648?s=21

Potentially a decent place to start with legislation? Who even knew that was a thing to begin with.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on May 31, 2020, 07:02:24 PM
So is the President going to address the nation or what?  Is he hiding?  I'm chatting with a friend in Emeryville who is boarding up his windows.

Answer:  hiding:

Trump briefly taken to underground bunker during Friday's White House protests

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

This may have been while Biden was eating Trump's lunch in calling for calm.

That’s the same guy that would have taken on the Las Vegas shooter himself LOL.

He is still fighting wars on Twitter, where the real warriors go, so there is that.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on May 31, 2020, 10:00:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIMXKin1fXXCeq2UJePJEog

I especially recommend the first few videos of him constructing the log cabin.  There are also a couple about fishing.

---

Let's say Trump is reelected.  It's 2022 and war is imminent (re. deglobalization/decoupling etc. this is a possibility to consider).  This time it would involve mainland USA and not just some faraway country.  Are you reasonably content with Trump being the commander in chief, with those around him as his advisors?  Is the system intact and ready, nothing of critical importance has been dismantled in the past few years?



Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 02:46:56 AM
So is the President going to address the nation or what?  Is he hiding?  I'm chatting with a friend in Emeryville who is boarding up his windows.

Answer:  hiding:

Trump briefly taken to underground bunker during Friday's White House protests

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html

This may have been while Biden was eating Trump's lunch in calling for calm.
So he is too proud and too much of a man to wear a mask. He's so strong and manly that he won't be afraid of some virus.

But a few protestors out front and he's found hiding in the basement.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 05:26:59 AM
If anyone is wondering what the President of the United States has been doing lately, here are his tweets from yesterday.
This is a copy from Trump's Twitter page... (https://twitter.comrealDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

19h
The Lamestream Media is doing everything within their power to foment hatred and anarchy. As long as everybody understands what they are doing, that they are FAKE NEWS and truly bad people with a sick agenda, we can easily work through them to GREATNESS!
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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12h
FAKE NEWS!
Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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19h
The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
13h
LAW & ORDER!
Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
May 30
Much more “disinformation” coming out of CNN, MSDNC, @nytimes
 and @washingtonpost
, by far, than coming out of any foreign country, even combined. Fake News is the Enemy of the People!
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
14h
Our National Guard stopped them cold last night. Should have been called up sooner!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 05:30:07 AM
If anyone is wondering what the President of the United States has been doing lately, here are his tweets from yesterday.
Do you have a suggestion for how he could better use the time spent cowering in the basement?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 01, 2020, 05:34:38 AM
You've gotta admit that the US is starting to look a little developing country-ish these days.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 05:47:04 AM
"Do you have a suggestion for how he could better use the time spent cowering in the basement?"

Well, short of putting the man in a mental institution (which is where he obviously should be), locking him in the basement is a good second choice.

Trump has spent three years surrounding himself with yes-men. Now that Trump has no idea of what to do, he looks to those yes-men for advice and finds they have no clue as to what to do either. Who would have thought?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 05:49:07 AM
"You've gotta admit that the US is starting to look a little developing country-ish these days."

Kinda has looked like that for the past three years.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 05:59:55 AM
You've gotta admit that the US is starting to look a little developing country-ish these days.

See the posts below for my thoughts on this subject last week. These videos are not for weak stomachs so I didn't even link to them, but anyone who did perform these searches a week ago would know that my forecast was that in a bad outcome we were about to look a lot [more] like a third world country.

If we are lucky, the USA will go back to being something like it used to be, maybe even better.

These are very graphic rabbit holes to go down, so be forewarned regarding the potential for graphic content.

If you want to see what our future could look like in a not so good outcome, go over to YouTube and enter "Liberian Civil War"

-or-

If you want to think about the direction our Justice Department is heading or what it is like when you can expect peaceful transfer of power and the rule of law, go over to YouTube and search for

"The Execution of former Liberian President Samuel K Doe YouTube"

Just remember, that this is deadly serious business. At some point you can be the person that says "I wish we had left before the border closed." If you think that is far fetched, think back on all the things that people wrote three months ago in the Coronavirus thread would never come to pass in the USA that are now a part of daily life in the USA today. It was overwhelmingly Trump supporters who were dead wrong on that issue too, by the way.

**Edited because I accidentally left out the word "more". Thanks to Costanza for making me realize that I had left out that crucial word.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 06:23:38 AM
I'm not downplaying the seriousness of what is going on in the US. But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim. I'm sorry, but the people who think that probably go by what the nightly news shows. The majority of these protests are peaceful with very few incidents. There are plenty of websites out there that show raw footage of things that happen in the real world (including other developed nations). Things that will never make the msm segments because they are too real and far too graphic. The US is lucky that the worst things we have in this country are protests with a few smashed windows and burnt police cars....

There is no doubt that there are issues here. But comparing them to a developing nation is apples to oranges...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 07:58:17 AM
I'm not downplaying the seriousness of what is going on in the US. But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim. I'm sorry, but the people who think that probably go by what the nightly news shows. The majority of these protests are peaceful with very few incidents. There are plenty of websites out there that show raw footage of things that happen in the real world (including other developed nations). Things that will never make the msm segments because they are too real and far too graphic. The US is lucky that the worst things we have in this country are protests with a few smashed windows and burnt police cars....

There is no doubt that there are issues here. But comparing them to a developing nation is apples to oranges...
Rb said "starting" and I meant to say "more like" but accidentally left out the word "more". I don't think either of us meant to say that we are literally comparable, but that the pace of movement in the wrong direction is a bit disappointing and likely shocking to some.

People protesting peacefully and looting during a period that might put tons of people's health at risk and might set back out efforts to restart the economy is a new low for our nation.

Also, the rush to judgement is a major disappointment. Frequently these viral videos are misleading and later videos show a more full version of reality. If we haven't learned that enough to stay home during a pandemic, we are truly lost.

In my opinion, a President's job should have been to beg for calmer heads to prevail and to avoid a rush to judgement especially when those protesting might put their own or other people's lives at risk needlessly. Instead the President encouraged a rush to judgement and stoked the anger on both sides. Of course even if Trump did beg for patience, he has very little credibility and his justice department is not helping on that front either.

Now even sources I think of being very liberal like Vice and very reliable such as NYT are mentioning some very unflattering things about George Floyd. Plus there are newly emerging videos that seem to show Floyd passing out or falling down drunk or on drugs multiple times during his interaction with police, sitting in the drivers seat while intoxicated, and struggling with police on multiple occasions. Plus the initial autopsy reports indicate multiple preexisting conditions that could have caused his death and no indication that he was asphyxiated. So what if it turns out that this narrative is wrong, and protestors, police, looters, rioters and people who have nothing to do with any of this are all put at risk both regarding their health and their economic well being.

Are we not shockingly close to a banana republic if Trump thought division and anger would help rally his base, that he would be safe and that he couldn't care less about us? Not to say that there weren't plenty on the left who would have contributed to this travesty, if that is what it is.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 08:46:06 AM
I'm not downplaying the seriousness of what is going on in the US. But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim. I'm sorry, but the people who think that probably go by what the nightly news shows. The majority of these protests are peaceful with very few incidents. There are plenty of websites out there that show raw footage of things that happen in the real world (including other developed nations). Things that will never make the msm segments because they are too real and far too graphic. The US is lucky that the worst things we have in this country are protests with a few smashed windows and burnt police cars....

There is no doubt that there are issues here. But comparing them to a developing nation is apples to oranges...
Rb said "starting" and I meant to say "more like" but accidentally left out the word "more". I don't think either of us meant to say that we are literally comparable, but that the pace of movement in the wrong direction is a bit disappointing and likely shocking to some.

People protesting peacefully and looting during a period that might put tons of people's health at risk and might set back out efforts to restart the economy is a new low for our nation.

Also, the rush to judgement is a major disappointment. Frequently these viral videos are misleading and later videos show a more full version of reality. If we haven't learned that enough to stay home during a pandemic, we are truly lost.

In my opinion, a President's job should have been to beg for calmer heads to prevail and to avoid a rush to judgement especially when those protesting might put their own or other people's lives at risk needlessly. Instead the President encouraged a rush to judgement and stoked the anger on both sides. Of course even if Trump did beg for patience, he has very little credibility and his justice department is not helping on that front either.

Now even sources I think of being very liberal like Vice and very reliable such as NYT are mentioning some very unflattering things about George Floyd. Plus there are newly emerging videos that seem to show Floyd passing out or falling down drunk or on drugs multiple times during his interaction with police, sitting in the drivers seat while intoxicated, and struggling with police on multiple occasions. Plus the initial autopsy reports indicate multiple preexisting conditions that could have caused his death and no indication that he was asphyxiated. So what if it turns out that this narrative is wrong, and protestors, police, looters, rioters and people who have nothing to do with any of this are all put at risk both regarding their health and their economic well being.

Are we not shockingly close to a banana republic if Trump thought division and anger would help rally his base, that he would be safe and that he couldn't care less about us? Not to say that there weren't plenty on the left who would have contributed to this travesty, if that is what it is.

Yeah I saw some of those reports saying he died from other causes etc....but how do we know that coroner is telling the truth? Nobody believed the Jeffery Epstein coroner....why should we believe this one? Especially since there have been issues in the past with coroners and African Americans.

You're right though, videos can be misleading and often don't show the whole truth. O don't think this negates the fact that there are issues with some police in America. Justin Amash highlighted a key bill that seems very important. Protectionism is a big issue in the judicial system. Especially on the local level of many police departments. Anyone who has lived in LA and NY should know this well.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 01, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
I don't think it really matters what he died of. You don't get this reaction cause one guy was killed. George Floyd's death may have sparked the fire. But his death didn't pour the gasoline. The gasoline is the problem.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 09:02:55 AM
I'm not downplaying the seriousness of what is going on in the US. But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim. I'm sorry, but the people who think that probably go by what the nightly news shows. The majority of these protests are peaceful with very few incidents. There are plenty of websites out there that show raw footage of things that happen in the real world (including other developed nations). Things that will never make the msm segments because they are too real and far too graphic. The US is lucky that the worst things we have in this country are protests with a few smashed windows and burnt police cars....

There is no doubt that there are issues here. But comparing them to a developing nation is apples to oranges...
Rb said "starting" and I meant to say "more like" but accidentally left out the word "more". I don't think either of us meant to say that we are literally comparable, but that the pace of movement in the wrong direction is a bit disappointing and likely shocking to some.

People protesting peacefully and looting during a period that might put tons of people's health at risk and might set back out efforts to restart the economy is a new low for our nation.

Also, the rush to judgement is a major disappointment. Frequently these viral videos are misleading and later videos show a more full version of reality. If we haven't learned that enough to stay home during a pandemic, we are truly lost.

In my opinion, a President's job should have been to beg for calmer heads to prevail and to avoid a rush to judgement especially when those protesting might put their own or other people's lives at risk needlessly. Instead the President encouraged a rush to judgement and stoked the anger on both sides. Of course even if Trump did beg for patience, he has very little credibility and his justice department is not helping on that front either.

Now even sources I think of being very liberal like Vice and very reliable such as NYT are mentioning some very unflattering things about George Floyd. Plus there are newly emerging videos that seem to show Floyd passing out or falling down drunk or on drugs multiple times during his interaction with police, sitting in the drivers seat while intoxicated, and struggling with police on multiple occasions. Plus the initial autopsy reports indicate multiple preexisting conditions that could have caused his death and no indication that he was asphyxiated. So what if it turns out that this narrative is wrong, and protestors, police, looters, rioters and people who have nothing to do with any of this are all put at risk both regarding their health and their economic well being.

Are we not shockingly close to a banana republic if Trump thought division and anger would help rally his base, that he would be safe and that he couldn't care less about us? Not to say that there weren't plenty on the left who would have contributed to this travesty, if that is what it is.

Yeah I saw some of those reports saying he died from other causes etc....but how do we know that coroner is telling the truth? Nobody believed the Jeffery Epstein coroner....why should we believe this one? Especially since there have been issues in the past with coroners and African Americans.

You're right though, videos can be misleading and often don't show the whole truth. O don't think this negates the fact that there are issues with some police in America. Justin Amash highlighted a key bill that seems very important. Protectionism is a big issue in the judicial system. [emphasis by RtF] Especially on the local level of many police departments. Anyone who has lived in LA and NY should know this well.
The thin blue line certainly can create an us vs them mindset and a subconscious bias to cover up misdeeds. This affects everyone in society regardless of skin color.

I'm not saying that this was not a crime or that justice would have been done without pressure from the people, but at this point we simply don't know with any certainty.

My main question is that given the uncertainty was it really worth the potential loss of life and livelihood to act now rather than to act later?

Would the will of the people to protest not have been there in a few weeks if it became more clear that a crime was a crime committed by the police?

I am a strong believer that most all LEO are decent people, but that evil people can be found in most walks of life and that the police can be uniformly trusted to police themselves.

I also think that everyone should be treating LEO with extra consideration these days, especially in NYC where the health costs to police have been shocking. In fact if you want to look at evidence that Police reforms might be necessary, we should also ask what it says that they were so negatively impacted? Was that a sign of a need for improvement in policing practice, education, leadership, and PPE supplies?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 09:06:47 AM
I don't think it really matters what he died of. You don't get this reaction cause one guy was killed. George Floyd's death may have sparked the fire. But his death didn't pour the gasoline. The gasoline is the problem.
Fair enough. Even if I knew for certain he was murdered, even if I knew for certain it was part of a pattern, I would likely prefer the protestors wait until we can be more sure of their safety and the safety of anyone they might infect, who are most likely members of their own households and close friends and family. Although it did seem as though some were able to protest in a way that was very safe, many did not.

Idle hands likely contributed to both protest and looting/rioting. The idle hands problem may just get worse if the protests lead to more outbreaks which leads to more idle hands.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 09:11:13 AM
Also, the rush to judgement is a major disappointment. Frequently these viral videos are misleading and later videos show a more full version of reality. If we haven't learned that enough to stay home during a pandemic, we are truly lost.

Regardless, why was his knee anywhere near his airway?  Is this a hold that police are trained for?  If so, maybe that needs to change.  Why not just cuff his ankles so he can't run or kick an officer?

What was holding him in that position accomplishing that other restraints could not?

He said he couldn't breath:
A). Pin him by the neck
or
B).  Cuff his ankles. (where the worst he can manage is inch-worm an escape attempt)


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 09:18:07 AM
“But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim.”

1. Well there is a disease still spreading across the country that has killed over 100,000 and counting and it has spread at a considerably higher rate than in most other countries.

2, There is an out of control, military style police force that has a serious racial bias.

3. There are riots in the streets in most of the major cities and in all fifty states.

4. Looting is a nightly problem in many cities.

5. Rather than try to quell the unrest the President of the country criticizes states for not being tough enough on their citizens.

6. The president of the country was forced to take refuge in the basement of his home to stay safe from rioters.

Are you really sure that it is ridiculous to compare the US to a third world country?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 09:22:36 AM
“But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim.”

1. Well there is a disease still spreading across the country that has killed over 100,000 and counting and it has spread at a considerably higher rate than in most other countries.

2, There is an out of control, military style police force that has a serious racial bias.

3. There are riots in the streets in most of the major cities and in all fifty states.

4. Looting is a nightly problem in many cities.

5. Rather than try to quell the unrest the President of the country criticizes states for not being tough enough on their citizens.

6. The president of the country was forced to take refuge in the basement of his home to stay safe from rioters.

Are you really sure that it is ridiculous to compare the US to a third world country?

7.  We have a populist leader who tells the citizenry that the free press is fake news and that they should get the truth from him directly
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 09:24:22 AM
6. The president of the country was forced to take refuge in the basement of his home to stay safe from rioters.
Or maybe for all his bluster, deep down he's a coward.

https://youtu.be/mYSD9lafnhE?t=17
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 09:38:23 AM
“But when I hear what is happening here being compared to developing nations I can't help but laugh at the ridiculousness of that claim.”

1. Well there is a disease still spreading across the country that has killed over 100,000 and counting and it has spread at a considerably higher rate than in most other countries.

2, There is an out of control, military style police force that has a serious racial bias.

3. There are riots in the streets in most of the major cities and in all fifty states.

4. Looting is a nightly problem in many cities.

5. Rather than try to quell the unrest the President of the country criticizes states for not being tough enough on their citizens.

6. The president of the country was forced to take refuge in the basement of his home to stay safe from rioters.

7. We have a populist leader who tells the citizenry that the free press is fake news and that they should get the truth from him directly

8.  The president has gone out of his way to replace nearly all the heads of government departments with people who swear allegiance  to HIM personally - not the country.

9. The justice minister directs the courts not to prosecute the President's friends

10. The President encourages the governors to deploy the military against its citizens

Are you really sure that it is ridiculous to compare the US to a third world country?

Updated with input from ERICOPOLY,  Read the Footnotes and rb
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 09:42:27 AM
Quote
President Trump on Monday berated the nation’s governors on a conference call, describing them as “weak” in the face of growing racial unrest and urged them to try to “dominate” unruly protests, according to three people on the call who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation.

Trump also called on them to take back the streets and use force to confront protesters and said if they did not, they would look like “fools,” alarming several governors on the call as they communicated privately, according to the officials.

“If you don’t dominate, you’re wasting your time,” Trump said, according to a person on the call.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-live-updates/

cwericb, you might want to include something about Bill Barr and the "Justice" Department.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Arnold (a national treasure in my opinion) put out his opinion on today's current events:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/arnold-schwarzenegger-america-needs-do-better/612442/

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 09:54:44 AM
"cwericb, you might want to include something about Bill Barr and the "Justice" Department."

Definitely there is a lot to be added to that list, hard to know where to stop.
Here is another one: The president has gone out of his way to replace nearly all the heads of departments with people who swear allegiance  to HIM personally - not the country.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 01, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
Here's a couple more:

The justice minister directs the courts not to prosecute the President's friends

The President encourages the governors to deploy the military against its citizens
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
post #183 updated
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
"cwericb, you might want to include something about Bill Barr and the "Justice" Department."

Definitely there is a lot to be added to that list, hard to know where to stop.
Here is another one: The president has gone out of his way to replace nearly all the heads of departments with people who swear allegiance  to HIM personally - not the country.
Good point regarding swearing of allegiances.

I don't support looting and rioting, and I seriously question the wisdom of the timing of the protests.

I also feel very bad for the Secret Service agents who protected the White House, especially those who were injured and especially since they were likely injured because the man in the basement couldn't care less about them or anyone else. Given that context, I would understand if any Secret Service agent chose to stand down. I don't think this is what they signed up for.

I also think I would be inclined to give a pass to anyone who directed their frustration directly at the White House and it's occupants. I think the cost benefit analysis for protestors and rioters is different with respect to the expression of anger directly at Trump and the White House. For the most part the protests and violence didn't accomplish anything new other than shocking people that they would break social distancing measure during a pandemic. Getting the strongman to cower in the basement two nights in the same weekend did accomplish something new.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 10:07:02 AM
Since the beginning of 2015, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times, according to an NBC News analysis of police records.

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/records-show-minneapolis-police-used-neck-restraint-tactic-dozens-of-times-since-2015-84175429956
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 01, 2020, 10:15:10 AM
Yea, I think they have a real problem in Mineapolis. I remember they also shot a blonde yoga instructor a few years ago.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 10:20:41 AM
Since the beginning of 2015, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times, according to an NBC News analysis of police records.

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/records-show-minneapolis-police-used-neck-restraint-tactic-dozens-of-times-since-2015-84175429956

Yeah honestly that coroner report is most likely bullshit. I don't believe for a second that GF died from other causes. Especially after seeing this.

The whole thing though is this issue is causing more racism between African Americans and Whites. Instead the anger should be directed at the state and the tyranny that exists....
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
Trump to the Governors:

"It's a movement, if you don't put it down it will get worse and worse," Trump said. "The only time its successful is when you're weak and most of you are weak."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/donald-trump-race-police/index.html

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 10:57:09 AM
When asked whether the president would address the nation amid the unrest, McEnany responded: “A national Oval Office address is not going to stop Antifa.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-pushes-back-on-calls-for-trump-to-address-nation-amid-riots-protests
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 11:12:02 AM
I do find it incredible that Stumpy has not addressed the nation. Rioting in major cities in the country and El Jefe is hiding in a basement? What a coward.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
What a coward, what a sad excuse for leader.

Cardboard, Cubs and Gregmal must glad they are not presently with us because it is getting harder by the day to make excuses for this mentally challenged buffoon.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 11:17:56 AM
Since the beginning of 2015, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times, according to an NBC News analysis of police records.

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/records-show-minneapolis-police-used-neck-restraint-tactic-dozens-of-times-since-2015-84175429956

Yeah honestly that coroner report is most likely bullshit. I don't believe for a second that GF died from other causes. Especially after seeing this.

The whole thing though is this issue is causing more racism between African Americans and Whites. Instead the anger should be directed at the state and the tyranny that exists....
The alleged use of neck restraints is concerning. The reference is not clear exactly how they are defining it, but certain specific neck restraints are forbidden or even illegal in some areas and are permissible in others. It might be a good thing if there were more insightful federal guidance on this subject, perhaps from new leadership at the US Department of Justice.

With that said, I doubt that the neck restraints that are being referenced are similar to what was seen in this case.

Here is a summary of the ME report from the Statement of Probable Cause:

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The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The fullreport of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf

The document that charges Derek Chuavin with 3rd Degree Murder and 2nd Degree Manslaughter may not say what many people think it does. The facts of the case may be more complicated than many people currently think it is.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Another presidential candidate, Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), last week said he’d “like to meet the American hero who went in Donald Trump’s place to Vietnam. I hope he’s still alive.” Moulton, 40, served in Iraq as a Marine Corps captain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-on-vietnam-despite-five-deferments-hed-have-been-honored-to-serve/2019/06/05/88a17bfe-87a2-11e9-a870-b9c411dc4312_story.html
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 11:27:21 AM
Okay folks, iI have not made this up. While people are dying from Covid-19 and others are rioting in every major city, the President just tweeted the following:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

“Trump” is leading in all swing states. Heavily biased Democrat Poll, just like 2016. Biggest “enthusiasm” lead ever!

Really Donnie, this is what you are concerned with?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 11:29:36 AM
The ACLU tweeted in response to Trump: "Let’s be clear: There is no legal authority for designating a domestic group. Any such designation would raise significant due process and First Amendment concerns."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-pushes-back-on-calls-for-trump-to-address-nation-amid-riots-protests
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Vish_ram on June 01, 2020, 11:37:52 AM
My prediction: Donnie will quit if he is lagging in the poll And has no chance of winning.

He would blame it on the media, anarchists, rigging etc and just resign. He is so narcissistic that he wont go through a defeat
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
My prediction: Donnie will quit if he is lagging in the poll And has no chance of winning.

He would blame it on the media, anarchists, rigging etc and just resign. He is so narcissistic that he wont go through a defeat

I could see that
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 11:51:08 AM
Okay folks, iI have not made this up. While people are dying from Covid-19 and others are rioting in every major city, the President just tweeted the following:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

“Trump” is leading in all swing states. Heavily biased Democrat Poll, just like 2016. Biggest “enthusiasm” lead ever!

Really Donnie, this is what you are concerned with?

Nothing to see here folks, vote for me, vote for me.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
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Cardboard, Cubs and Gregmal must glad they are not presently with us because it is getting harder by the day to make excuses for this mentally challenged buffoon.
I'd think it's unfortunate they are not. I'd like to hear Greg etc.'s opinion/perspective on these last few days events and the White House response (or lack thereof). Important to understand what does the opposing side think of these circumstances.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 12:14:49 PM
2A seems like a pretty good thing right about now. Just saying...If you need the cops in your neighborhood, good luck!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 12:30:23 PM
My prediction: Donnie will quit if he is lagging in the poll And has no chance of winning.

He would blame it on the media, anarchists, rigging etc and just resign. He is so narcissistic that he wont go through a defeat

I agree that could well happen.

I wonder if at some point he might be offered a deal. Pull out and we will not prosecute you after the election.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 12:30:46 PM
2A seems like a pretty good thing right about now. Just saying...If you need the cops in your neighborhood, good luck!

Agreed, the right to defend oneself (reasonably) is a human right. 

Given greg/cubs/etc absences, here's my take at the counterpoint:

Trump gave a speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otqkKN-wdl8

And did some Q&A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZHC5nt0GM

I think based on these he's seen the video and is sympathetic. I also think he draws a pretty hard line between protests and rioting. It's a very black and white item for him - I don't think he really understands the frustration a lot of people (particularly black people) are feeling, and therefore how protests can turn violent and aggressive.

And I don't think he believes there is a systematic issue here. It seems very much a "few bad applies" issue to him. And I think he's very much OK with a hardline response from the PDs. What bothered me the most is he is very hesitant to comment or criticize law enforcement.

What I think he should be doing is rather than trying to draw a bright line between frustrated protesters and aggressive police, he should be trying to assuage and de-escalate both sides.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 12:39:34 PM
The problem is that when you are a narcist and a sociopath and then also born with a silver spoon in your mouth, it is impossible to have any empathy or sympathy for the frustration of the black/brown/whatever population.

It is a sad situation, but that is what we have and we have to deal with it, at least until November or January.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 12:41:19 PM
Really? He seemed pretty sympathetic to me based on the Q&A.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 01, 2020, 12:48:42 PM
2A seems like a pretty good thing right about now. Just saying...If you need the cops in your neighborhood, good luck!
Great, now I would need to shoot people because cops won't do their damn job for which I pay them for. How about US just cleans out its fucking act. Every other civilized country out there (and a lot of the uncivilized ones) manages to have its police force not murder its citizens and enforce the law and provide protection. I.E. THEIR FUCKING JOB!

But somehow in the US this is not possible and you need to arm yourself and be ready to shoot people?  ::)
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 12:48:58 PM
An independent autopsy into the death of George Floyd found that the unarmed black man died from "asphyxiation from sustained pressure," according to attorney Ben Crump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 12:52:45 PM
But under President Donald Trump, the Department of Justice has all but abandoned broad investigations into unconstitutional policing practices, a half-dozen former DOJ lawyers who worked on similar cases told CNN -- essentially giving up on one of the federal government's most effective tools to fight police misconduct.

While the Justice Department launched 12 investigations of law enforcement agencies for practices that violate the Constitution during George W. Bush's first term, and 15 during Barack Obama's first term, the department has opened only a single public investigation of that kind in the three and a half years since Trump became president, according to legal experts and DOJ records.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/george-floyd-police-doj-investigations-invs/index.html
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 01:12:30 PM
Really? He seemed pretty sympathetic to me based on the Q&A.
He's just talking out of both sides of his mouth. This is all about distraction for him. If he can enrage people on the far right and the far left and yet be able to point to a bunch of conflicting sentiments in his defense, then its a win for him.

It's really no different than the stock fraud operators that send out letters to one group of investors that says a stock is going up and another letter to a different group of investors saying the stock is going down.

It's all about distracting you.

Just remember, Trump would rather be seen as a racist by some portion of the population than have the attention on Coronovirus and the economy. He would like people to focus on a small amount of protestors, rioters, and looters than what is a much larger story in terms of loss of life and financial collapse.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 01:13:58 PM
"Really? He seemed pretty sympathetic to me based on the Q&A."

Sorry LC, but you can not believe one word that man says. We have seen him time after time saying one thing and then the direct opposite later. Just for instance calling to "free" certain states because they were not opening up quickly and at the same time saying they were opening up too quickly.

He said he called the Floyd family. Yes he did. But the Floyds said that he Trump spoke for a minute or so and gave them no chance to say anything or ask any questions.

Words from Trump are like snowflakes landing on a warm surface. Look nice for a moment and poof, they're gone.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
-Worst civil unrest since 1968
-Worst economic crisis since 1933
-Worst health crisis since 1918

Is this what great again looks like?

To me, we are starting to look more like one of those s***hole countries Trump likes to talk about.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 01:22:59 PM
I'm not sure I agree on a personal level. I think he can sympathize with losing a loved one. I think he can even acquiesce to the peaceful protesters.

I think the flaws here are his lack of understanding behind the violent protests and his inability to criticize police (talking out of both sides - a fair criticism). This leads to his failure to address the zeitgeist and is representative of Trump's main criticism: his lack of leadership i.e. his inability to effectively manage the federal government.

Which, coincidentally, anyone could have easily understood by watching season 1 of the apprentice.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
I'm not sure I agree on a personal level. I think he can sympathize with losing a loved one. I think he can even acquiesce to the peaceful protesters.

I think the flaws here are his lack of understanding behind the violent protests and his inability to criticize police (talking out of both sides - a fair criticism). This leads to his failure to address the zeitgeist and is representative of Trump's main criticism: his lack of leadership i.e. his inability to effectively manage the federal government.

Which, coincidentally, anyone could have easily understood by watching season 1 of the apprentice.
At best, Trump is just playing a role, and he tests out on us which role he should play.

There is tons of evidence that he is an extreme narcissist and potentially a psychopath. Extreme narcissists and psychopaths don't care about other people the way most people do.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
I believe his histrionic behavior is the tell that he is acting all the time.  He is such a drama queen.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 01:44:42 PM
Her you go....

Choose which - or all - mental disorders apply to Trump. When I say I believe he has serious mental issues, here iis the list.


Megalomania - obsession with the exercise of power, especially in the domination of others.

Narcissism - A personality disorder characterized by an exaggerated sense of self-importance

Sociopath - someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can't understand others' feelings. They'll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause.

Paranoia - A personality disorder which involve odd or eccentric ways of thinking, an unrelenting mistrust and suspicion of others, even when there is no reason to be suspicious.

Delusional - Delusions are the main symptom of delusional disorder. They're unshakable beliefs in something that isn't true or based on reality.

Persecution complex - An acute irrational fear that other people are plotting one's downfall and that they are responsible for one's failures.
 
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
2A seems like a pretty good thing right about now. Just saying...If you need the cops in your neighborhood, good luck!
Great, now I would need to shoot people because cops won't do their damn job for which I pay them for. How about US just cleans out its fucking act. Every other civilized country out there (and a lot of the uncivilized ones) manages to have its police force not murder its citizens and enforce the law and provide protection. I.E. THEIR FUCKING JOB!

But somehow in the US this is not possible and you need to arm yourself and be ready to shoot people?  ::)

Police will never be able to stop everything.....that's the point.....Even in good times it can take the police 20+ minutes to respond to many areas. Not a chance I'm willing to take with my family. "Hold on Mr. Robber, the police are coming in 20 minutes to stop you."

Also I think you're equating two separate issues that are conveniently highlighted together because of police past actions. If the police are bad why would you want them to be responsible for your protection? If there aren't enough police to be everywhere on time would you really want there to be enough police to be everywhere on time?

Police need to clean their act up. But citizens also have the right to protect themselves. Not to mention that also holds the police accountable.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 02:04:45 PM
Castanza you better be awfully, awfully right before you pull that trigger, because the authorities will take weeks leisurely dissecting your every action.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
For those don't believe that the US is turning into a banana republic, 8 or 9 truckloads of troops just rolled into the White House, I assume to arrest, I mean protect the President. First world country indeed.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Jurgis on June 01, 2020, 03:03:55 PM
Trump gave a speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otqkKN-wdl8

Victory! Trump can actually read something written by someone else!

Quote
And did some Q&A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZHC5nt0GM

Double victory! Trump can actually answer questions by following a script and not going into stream of kinda-consciousness rant.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
Attack the 1st Amendment less than a week after moaning about Twitter fact checking his posts:

Trump calls for Supreme Court to reconsider flag burning laws

"If I were king, I would not allow people to go around burning the American flag. However, we have a First Amendment, which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged -- and it is addressed in particular to speech critical of the government," Scalia said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/flag-burning-supreme-court-trump/index.html

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Jurgis on June 01, 2020, 03:09:38 PM
For those don't believe that the US is turning into a banana republic, 8 or 9 truckloads of troops just rolled into the White House, I assume to arrest, I mean protect the President. First world country indeed.

I probably should not mention the idea of declaring martial law, throwing protesters terrorists into internment camps, and cancelling November election.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 03:11:37 PM
Castanza you better be awfully, awfully right before you pull that trigger, because the authorities will take weeks leisurely dissecting your every action.

Absolutely

The last thing I want to do is kill someone....wanting to do and having to do are two different things. But yes, I think in general people should be intelligent about owning a firearm. My wife and myself have both taken multiple classes for firearm safety. Touching on proper use, when to use, when not to use, your rights, what’s legal and what isn’t legal etc. How to clear a home, how to not shoot your neighbor or family members etc. If you do shoot someone what to do etc. I have a concealed carry but tbh I never carry. It’s more for convenience for when I go to the range etc.

I also practice shooting as a hobby and have a few highly trained military buddies (green beret and marine recon) and have shared quite a bit with me. So yes, I do pay attention to it and I think everyone should. I also properly store my firearms. I cannot stand the “gun bro” culture. It’s harmful to society and what the 2A intentions. I think if you’re going to be a gun owner you in general should treat it as a responsibility. Practice your craft so you’re proficient. But treat it as a tool because that’s exactly what it is. Lock it away (except at night) and pray to God you never have to use it.

I like the approach Switzerland and Sweden (not all) take to firearms and ownership.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Jurgis on June 01, 2020, 03:13:02 PM
Attack the 1st Amendment less than a week after moaning about Twitter fact checking his posts:

Trump calls for Supreme Court to reconsider flag burning laws

"If I were king, I would not allow people to go around burning the American flag. However, we have a First Amendment, which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged -- and it is addressed in particular to speech critical of the government," Scalia said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/flag-burning-supreme-court-trump/index.html

(http://elliotthall.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Its-good-to-be-the-king.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 03:25:30 PM
Attack the 1st Amendment less than a week after moaning about Twitter fact checking his posts:

Trump calls for Supreme Court to reconsider flag burning laws

"If I were king, I would not allow people to go around burning the American flag. However, we have a First Amendment, which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged -- and it is addressed in particular to speech critical of the government," Scalia said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/flag-burning-supreme-court-trump/index.html

(http://elliotthall.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Its-good-to-be-the-king.jpg)


Mar-a-lago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_TEuKdGWVI
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
Giuliani: Ex-Minneapolis cop should face first-degree murder charge if George Floyd was asphyxiated

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani told "Bill Hemmer Reports" Monday that former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin be charged with first-degree murder if officials conclude that George Floyd died of asphyxiation on May 25.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/giuliani-george-floyd-chauvin-first-degree-murder
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on June 01, 2020, 03:55:45 PM
Really? He seemed pretty sympathetic to me based on the Q&A.
He's just talking out of both sides of his mouth. This is all about distraction for him. If he can enrage people on the far right and the far left and yet be able to point to a bunch of conflicting sentiments in his defense, then its a win for him.

It's really no different than the stock fraud operators that send out letters to one group of investors that says a stock is going up and another letter to a different group of investors saying the stock is going down.

It's all about distracting you.

Just remember, Trump would rather be seen as a racist by some portion of the population than have the attention on Coronovirus and the economy. He would like people to focus on a small amount of protestors, rioters, and looters than what is a much larger story in terms of loss of life and financial collapse.

Actually, I don’t think Trump is a racist himself. He may encourage racism implicitly (to benefit from political tailwinds) But I don’t think he is racist himself, at least I haven’t heard him talk in a racist way openly.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 03:55:57 PM
Giuliani: Ex-Minneapolis cop should face first-degree murder charge if George Floyd was asphyxiated

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani told "Bill Hemmer Reports" Monday that former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin be charged with first-degree murder if officials conclude that George Floyd died of asphyxiation on May 25.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/giuliani-george-floyd-chauvin-first-degree-murder
Trump's minion stirring the pot for him?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
Really? He seemed pretty sympathetic to me based on the Q&A.
He's just talking out of both sides of his mouth. This is all about distraction for him. If he can enrage people on the far right and the far left and yet be able to point to a bunch of conflicting sentiments in his defense, then its a win for him.

It's really no different than the stock fraud operators that send out letters to one group of investors that says a stock is going up and another letter to a different group of investors saying the stock is going down.

It's all about distracting you.

Just remember, Trump would rather be seen as a racist by some portion of the population than have the attention on Coronovirus and the economy. He would like people to focus on a small amount of protestors, rioters, and looters than what is a much larger story in terms of loss of life and financial collapse.

Actually, I don’t think Trump is a racist himself. He may encourage racism implicitly (to benefit from political tailwinds) But I don’t think he is racist himself, at least I haven’t heard him talk in a racist way openly.
I don't necessarily think Trump is racist by many definitions. I don't think he cares about anyone other than himself.

I also think he would rather be seen as a racist than as a pedophile friend of Jeffrey Epstein. He used a racist seeming distraction attempt when that news was breaking. He has done it multiple times since.

Even if he's not racist, that is irrelevant to my point. My point is that he doesn't mind being PERCEIVED as being racist if that distracts from a weakness. My point is that Trump likely intentionally distracts from what he sees a major weakness for him with actions that some will find racist. It's actually a good way to keep track of what Trump doesn't want you to pay attention to. If he seems to be doing something that is mildly racist or offensive, then there's likely some other news story he is more afraid of.

Trump has been feeding unflattering stories about himself to the press for decades, so it's not like it would be a new tactic.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 01, 2020, 04:11:45 PM
It is bad enough to be raciest, but it is almost worse not to be a raciest and use racism as a tool for his own ends.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on June 01, 2020, 04:24:38 PM
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648?s=21

Potentially a decent place to start with legislation? Who even knew that was a thing to begin with.

I am not really in favor of hot take legislations. It seems that the current applicable laws are working just fine. At least we should cool a little and debate the benefits vs drawbacks before deciding on new legislation.

To play devils advocate, the fact that same method had been used 44 times tells us that this method was taught to be used. I have been involved in industrial safety for a long time  and one of the first they teach is that accidents are like the tip of an icebergs. Before and accident happens there are typically close calls as well as minor infarctions.

This office may just have done what other have done in similar situations and got “unlucky” that his opponent died.
Anyways, in industrial safety it is beneficial to concentrate on process vs person and the same may apply here.

Not trying to argue away the personal responsibility of this officer, but there is likely a systemic issue in this police department far beyond just having just one officer.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on June 01, 2020, 04:34:29 PM
For those don't believe that the US is turning into a banana republic, 8 or 9 truckloads of troops just rolled into the White House, I assume to arrest, I mean protect the President. First world country indeed.

We may not be a second world country yet, but it’s cutting it pretty close:
 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/trump-threatens-to-deploy-military-as-george-floyd-protests-continue-to-shake-the-us.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/trump-threatens-to-deploy-military-as-george-floyd-protests-continue-to-shake-the-us.html)
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
Limbaugh answered by fighting back against the concept of white privilege.

“I don’t buy into the notion of white privilege. I think that’s a liberal, political construct right along the lines of political correctness, it’s designed to intimidate and get people to shut up and admit they’re guilty of doing things they haven’t done,” Limbaugh said. “I don’t have any white privilege.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rush-limbaugh-charlamagne-tha-god-breakfast-club-white-privilege
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on June 01, 2020, 05:25:21 PM


What do we want?     SMALL GOVERNMENT!

When do we want it? NOW!

How do we want it?   DEPLOY MILITARY AGAINST TAX-PAYERS.


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
Well put:

Tucker Carlson questions Trump’s leadership
In a rare direct challenge of President Trump, Tucker Carlson spoke openly on Fox News about his disappointment in Trump’s handling of protests, and in the tone the president took when discussing the events of Sunday night.

“If you can’t keep a Fox News correspondent from getting attacked directly across from your house, how can you protect my family?” Carlson asked. “How are you going to protect the country? How hard are you trying?”

Carlson added, “On Twitter the next morning, the president reassured America that he and his family were just fine. Their federally-funded bodyguards kept them safe. He did not mention protecting the rest of the nation, some of which was on fire. He seemed aware only of himself.”


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/george-floyd-protests-today-06-01?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#tucker-carlson-questions-trumps-leadership
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 01, 2020, 07:23:14 PM
Satire is my favorite form of political commentary, the beaverton gets it right with this:



Quote
It’s not fair to judge all police officers based on the few bad apples we violently defend at all costs

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/06/its-not-fair-to-judge-all-police-officers-based-on-the-few-bad-apples-we-violently-defend-at-all-costs/

Now look, I’m not saying there are no racists wearing the blue. And there have certainly been instances in the past where officers crossed a line and, as a result, people got hurt or died. But you have to understand these are only a tiny fraction of the thousands of police officers working in the world today. The rest of us are good, tolerant men and women whose only crime is loving our communities and using any means necessary to defend the racists by violently breaking up the demonstrations that arise after they murder someone.


Personally I can say with total certainty that, no matter your skin colour, orientation or background, I enjoy pepper spraying all people equally. Especially when they are not moving back as quickly as I demand or if they say something about how they are only demonstrating because my colleague murdered their friend. Let me tell you; black, white or purple, everyone hates being pepper sprayed.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 07:24:16 PM
Bishop Mariann E. Budde, bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, of which St. John’s is a part, said she was “outraged” that President Trump went to the church “after he threatened to basically rain down military force.”

“The president used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese, without even asking us, as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our church stands for,” she said.


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/george-floyd-protests-today-06-01?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#military-helicopter-uses-show-of-force-on-protesters
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on June 01, 2020, 07:56:42 PM
Now I get it why some groups are so vehemently in support of military-grade weapons in the hands of civilians: it's because deep inside they know themselves, they know that one day they might need to protect themselves from themselves.

Same for blindly pushing for small government, regardless of the consequences, because when their representatives are so corrupt that can actually make sense.

https://lincolnproject.us/news/rich-mitch/

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 01, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Now I get it why some groups are so vehemently in support of military-grade weapons in the hands of civilians: it's because deep inside they know themselves, they know that one day they might need to protect themselves from themselves.

Same for blindly pushing for small government, regardless of the consequences, because when their representatives are so corrupt that can actually make sense.

https://lincolnproject.us/news/rich-mitch/

I can’t understand what you’re trying to say.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 01, 2020, 10:36:44 PM
A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/tech/antifa-fake-twitter-account/index.html
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 02, 2020, 03:52:07 PM
2A seems like a pretty good thing right about now. Just saying...If you need the cops in your neighborhood, good luck!
Great, now I would need to shoot people because cops won't do their damn job for which I pay them for. How about US just cleans out its fucking act. Every other civilized country out there (and a lot of the uncivilized ones) manages to have its police force not murder its citizens and enforce the law and provide protection. I.E. THEIR FUCKING JOB!

But somehow in the US this is not possible and you need to arm yourself and be ready to shoot people?  ::)

Police will never be able to stop everything.....that's the point.....Even in good times it can take the police 20+ minutes to respond to many areas. Not a chance I'm willing to take with my family. "Hold on Mr. Robber, the police are coming in 20 minutes to stop you."

Also I think you're equating two separate issues that are conveniently highlighted together because of police past actions. If the police are bad why would you want them to be responsible for your protection? If there aren't enough police to be everywhere on time would you really want there to be enough police to be everywhere on time?

Police need to clean their act up. But citizens also have the right to protect themselves. Not to mention that also holds the police accountable.
I think you bring up some interesting points. Which made me think.... How much should I get paid to shoot a human being. Because when mr robber is involved that's what it comes down to. I will get a financial benefit (in the value i don't loose) by shooting mr robber.

So simple example. Guy pulls a guy on me asks for my wallet. I usually carry between $100-$200. Say I have a a gun on me. In any situation where there are weapons involved there's also fair chance I would get hurt. But let's say I'm  Chuck Norris and I don't have any concerns about that. Would I shoot someone for $200? Absolutely not.

Say someone comes to rob my house. Assuming they're not gonna steal the flooring or stuff like that there's maybe 20-30K of value in my house. But usually robbers used to just want your TV. These days they don't even want steal that the probably just want your ipad. There's probably 10k max of stealable stuff in my house. So will I shoot someone for 10 thousand dollars? No.

Now I'm sure a lot of 2A people would think that I'm a pussy cause I don't stand and protect my property. Whereas they do. But actually I just really don't like shooting people or hurting people for that matter.

Now let me address another point you raised in the long police response time - 20+minutes etc. I think it's not relevant here.

I am a well off white guy. I live in a rich which neighborhood. Police response time where i live for anything even remotely violent will be around one minute. I can guarantee you that even in Minneapolis with all that has been going on the white, rich neighborhoods were well protected. The places where police response is 20 minutes are not the rich, white places. They are the poor, coloured places. That creates a problem with 2A. Because the poor coloured people in practice don't have the same 2A rights as my type has because the law is not applied the same across socio-economic strata. You can see this clearly in how drug convictions come down.

So here is where it gets grotesque. Someone like me can use the 2A even though I don't need it. Because I have a ton of police protection and any property loss would be immaterial. But people that would need the 2A because police don't give a shit about them, and if they bought that ipad they had to work hard and save to buy that ipad, they're effectively prohibited from using it.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 02, 2020, 04:36:27 PM
Castanza and I have expressed our differing positions on this subject a few months ago. But he said this earlier in a response to something I posted in this thread:

"The last thing I want to do is kill someone....wanting to do and having to do are two different things. But yes, I think in general people should be intelligent about owning a firearm. My wife and myself have both taken multiple classes for firearm safety. Touching on proper use, when to use, when not to use, your rights, what’s legal and what isn’t legal etc. How to clear a home, how to not shoot your neighbor or family members etc. If you do shoot someone what to do etc. I have a concealed carry but tbh I never carry. It’s more for convenience for when I go to the range etc.

I also practice shooting as a hobby and have a few highly trained military buddies (green beret and marine recon) and have shared quite a bit with me. So yes, I do pay attention to it and I think everyone should. I also properly store my firearms. I cannot stand the “gun bro” culture. It’s harmful to society and what the 2A intentions. I think if you’re going to be a gun owner you in general should treat it as a responsibility. Practice your craft so you’re proficient. But treat it as a tool because that’s exactly what it is. Lock it away (except at night) and pray to God you never have to use it."

I thought that was a reasonable position.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 02, 2020, 04:44:41 PM
I don't know if it's reasonable, but I'd say it at least rational. It's definitely not crazy, which a lot of views around the topic are. That's why I decided to respond.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 02, 2020, 05:39:28 PM
I don't know if it's reasonable, but I'd say it at least rational. It's definitely not crazy, which a lot of views around the topic are. That's why I decided to respond.

You're approaching the situation from the standpoint that the robber breaking into your home is somehow a completely calm and rational human being. Chances are they're some pissed off, jacked up, completely irrational individual. I like to think I wouldn't shoot until I felt the threat was great enough. Perhaps shoot, not to kill. But when your in the moment and have a family in the house I think your responsibilities are pretty clear. In my opinion, you wave your rights when you bust into someones house in the middle of the night looking to steal or potentially cause harm. Family is priceless. People get hurt and killed every year dealing with irrational people. A highly motivated irrational person is about the worst combination there is. I don't fault anyone for not sharing my opinion though. I just think that opinion should be up to the individual and what they decide is best for themselves.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 02, 2020, 05:42:07 PM
Actually rb I thought both your and Castanza's responses, although different, were well thought out. I find the whole idea of gun control very difficult. I think it is ludacris to have military grade weapons available to the average citizen, and using an amendment from 1791 in 2020 to justify it is ridiculous. But at the same time I would like to think that reasonable and reliable people should have some access to own a weapon.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 02, 2020, 06:38:19 PM
counterpoint to rb:

The point of shooting an intruder is not to protect your $100 or $10,000.

It’s because he has a gun and may (and is threatening to) kill you.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on June 02, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
My prediction: Donnie will quit if he is lagging in the poll And has no chance of winning.

He would blame it on the media, anarchists, rigging etc and just resign. He is so narcissistic that he wont go through a defeat

Careful with the wishful thinking. It's exactly the opposite. he is not going to quit under any circumstances. He and his corrupt enablers will see the country burn first.  They know what they have done and what they might face. They have much to lose. 
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Spekulatius on June 04, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
My prediction: Donnie will quit if he is lagging in the poll And has no chance of winning.

He would blame it on the media, anarchists, rigging etc and just resign. He is so narcissistic that he wont go through a defeat

Careful with the wishful thinking. It's exactly the opposite. he is not going to quit under any circumstances. He and his corrupt enablers will see the country burn first.  They know what they have done and what they might face. They have much to lose.

Donnie won’t quit because he has too much to loose. He is likely to look at inconvenient prosecutions for tax evasions and a whole, lot of other things while in office. I don’t think he will quit.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Viking on June 05, 2020, 12:59:27 AM
My prediction: Donnie will quit if he is lagging in the poll And has no chance of winning.

He would blame it on the media, anarchists, rigging etc and just resign. He is so narcissistic that he wont go through a defeat

Careful with the wishful thinking. It's exactly the opposite. he is not going to quit under any circumstances. He and his corrupt enablers will see the country burn first.  They know what they have done and what they might face. They have much to lose.

Donnie won’t quit because he has too much to loose. He is likely to look at inconvenient prosecutions for tax evasions and a whole, lot of other things while in office. I don’t think he will quit.

Trump quit? Not going to happen. Long time before the election; an eternity. Biden will stumble at some point. The key is which candidate is peaking before the election; peaking too soon is not good. Trump still has to be the favourite to win in November.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on June 05, 2020, 08:31:32 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/entertainment/cate-blanchett-chainsaw-accident-scli-intl/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-06-05T14%3A31%3A05&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNi

"Australian actress Cate Blanchett has said she cut her head with a chainsaw during an accident at home during lockdown."

Bu this is not why I'm posting it, here's the shocking part:

"The actress, who reportedly lives in East Sussex, England"

FFS why would someone from Australia go live in East Sussex! What is wrong with this woman. She overdosed on LOTR and was looking for the shire?


Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on June 09, 2020, 07:10:03 AM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Be careful or Sanjeev will Cardboard you...being rude while Republican is not equal to being rude while Democrat.


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Your wish is my command!  10 days...no posting...enjoy the peace and quiet until you learn to stop being assholes!  Cheers!

Sanjeev this was incredibly petty. You guys want to complain about dictators and people who punish those they disagree with politically.....and then you do shit like this?

You ban longtime contributor Cardboard for making a stupid comment after letting Dalal and many others cheer people dying because they get an excuse to regularly blast Trump(interestingly, as someone else pointed out, now most of those participants have moved on to other topics)...even stellar contributors like the thepupil pointed out that the coronavirus thread was a cesspool that should have been in politics from the get go; you let it stay in General Discussion after continuously removing threads that involved politics for the better part of the past two years. You've got folks like Read the Footnotes on your investment website contributing a whopping 44 posts in the investment ideas section over 5 years! to complement his regular political whining; the irony of talking about "quality of posting" and "ant-resume's"...LOL. Since coming back, ERICOPOLY literally does nothing but troll politics and semi regularly personally attack people(outside of the one glorious thread he contributed asking for advice on how to stiff his wife in divorce court; Donald Trump would have been proud of that one!). Stahleyp might get carried away on the religious tangents at times, but is always thoughtful and courteous; yet days ago you look the other way as cwericb compares his intellect to a telephone pole. Heck, even a couple weeks ago, you told me to "fuck off", which is basically just another way of saying what cubsfan said to LC....There's many others as well who fit into this category...yet you ban cubsfan for making a silly remark, and then ban me for what? Warning him that you've been petty and vindictive with the bans lately? To which your response is to be petty and vindictive? Its your site you do what you want but there's a certain irony to this behavior... but hey, we can change the title from "a value investors haven"... to.. any number of other creative things indicating what seems to be the trend.... a liberal's haven? Corner of Pennsylvania Ave and K Street? Whatever dude.

Ive managed to develop relationships with a good number of valuable and cool people through this site that I now communicate with regularly outside of COBF. It has a lot of value as an investment forum. So I don't really know why you want to turn it into some fiefdom where some people get to mouth off, be rude, and intolerant, while only those you disagree with get punished. Again, in just the past week, there's been open boasting and blanket statement bigotry; against Catholics and multiple statements about "all cops are bad cops"...those posters are all still here.

Frankly, if this is how you are going to carry on you should just remove the politics section since only one side of politics seems tolerated anyway. Maybe then the investment part of this site will flourish again. You were always very good at not being a hypocrite and more importantly, being fair with everyone and not letting your political biases influence how you treat people; hopefully this is just a short term aberration resulting from the obvious heightened stress the myriad current situations have brought upon everyone.  At a minimum, I would also suggest you implement a VIC type of minimum 1-2 ideas a year type of thing. It would at least limit those who have nothing to offer to an investment forum; of which, lately there are many.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 09, 2020, 07:34:33 AM
It's going to take a box of tissues to get through that post.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on June 09, 2020, 07:38:24 AM
It's going to take a box of tissues to get through that post.

Sanjeev, exhibit A..... to what degree am I allowed to respond without getting exiled again your highness?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 09, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
 ;D ;D Welcome back, Greg. I for one missed your contributions. And to your point - I do not like echo chambers in any form (either investment- or politics- related). Mindless agreement is overrated. Frankly, it's more fun to debate and even argue.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on June 09, 2020, 07:59:30 AM
;D ;D Welcome back, Greg. I for one missed your contributions. And to your point - I do not like echo chambers in any form (either investment- or politics- related). Mindless agreement is overrated. Frankly, it's more fun to debate and even argue.

Ha, yea. We've definitely had our fun never agreeing on anything politically over the years...but its been in good fun. Which is kind of my point. There should be balance. People are allowed to disagree and even go at each other within reason IMO. "Go fuck yourself" and "drop dead" are basically the same thing...Unless one is taking things too literally and assumes its a matter of "go masturbate" vs "die"...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 09, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
without getting exiled again your highness?

Not the first show of disrespect for the moderator
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cubsfan on June 09, 2020, 09:55:01 AM
It's going to take a box of tissues to get through that post.

Sanjeev, exhibit A..... to what degree am I allowed to respond without getting exiled again your highness?

Greg - you know how it goes with the LEFT:

Do as I say, not as I do.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 09, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Sheesh... not hard to tell when ten days are up.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Parsad on June 09, 2020, 05:42:07 PM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Be careful or Sanjeev will Cardboard you...being rude while Republican is not equal to being rude while Democrat.


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Your wish is my command!  10 days...no posting...enjoy the peace and quiet until you learn to stop being assholes!  Cheers!

Sanjeev this was incredibly petty. You guys want to complain about dictators and people who punish those they disagree with politically.....and then you do shit like this?

You ban longtime contributor Cardboard for making a stupid comment after letting Dalal and many others cheer people dying because they get an excuse to regularly blast Trump(interestingly, as someone else pointed out, now most of those participants have moved on to other topics)...even stellar contributors like the thepupil pointed out that the coronavirus thread was a cesspool that should have been in politics from the get go; you let it stay in General Discussion after continuously removing threads that involved politics for the better part of the past two years. You've got folks like Read the Footnotes on your investment website contributing a whopping 44 posts in the investment ideas section over 5 years! to complement his regular political whining; the irony of talking about "quality of posting" and "ant-resume's"...LOL. Since coming back, ERICOPOLY literally does nothing but troll politics and semi regularly personally attack people(outside of the one glorious thread he contributed asking for advice on how to stiff his wife in divorce court; Donald Trump would have been proud of that one!). Stahleyp might get carried away on the religious tangents at times, but is always thoughtful and courteous; yet days ago you look the other way as cwericb compares his intellect to a telephone pole. Heck, even a couple weeks ago, you told me to "fuck off", which is basically just another way of saying what cubsfan said to LC....There's many others as well who fit into this category...yet you ban cubsfan for making a silly remark, and then ban me for what? Warning him that you've been petty and vindictive with the bans lately? To which your response is to be petty and vindictive? Its your site you do what you want but there's a certain irony to this behavior... but hey, we can change the title from "a value investors haven"... to.. any number of other creative things indicating what seems to be the trend.... a liberal's haven? Corner of Pennsylvania Ave and K Street? Whatever dude.

Ive managed to develop relationships with a good number of valuable and cool people through this site that I now communicate with regularly outside of COBF. It has a lot of value as an investment forum. So I don't really know why you want to turn it into some fiefdom where some people get to mouth off, be rude, and intolerant, while only those you disagree with get punished. Again, in just the past week, there's been open boasting and blanket statement bigotry; against Catholics and multiple statements about "all cops are bad cops"...those posters are all still here.

Frankly, if this is how you are going to carry on you should just remove the politics section since only one side of politics seems tolerated anyway. Maybe then the investment part of this site will flourish again. You were always very good at not being a hypocrite and more importantly, being fair with everyone and not letting your political biases influence how you treat people; hopefully this is just a short term aberration resulting from the obvious heightened stress the myriad current situations have brought upon everyone.  At a minimum, I would also suggest you implement a VIC type of minimum 1-2 ideas a year type of thing. It would at least limit those who have nothing to offer to an investment forum; of which, lately there are many.

Rude is tolerable, you just like being a jerk sometimes...like the comment you made to LC...that's why you were banned.

If you and Cubsfan made the same arguments you do, but just stated them instead of making it personal with everyone, then that would be fine.  But you two just can't leave it at that...you have to take shots at people, just like Cubsfan did at me in the above statements when I wasn't even involved in the discussion...thus his ban!

Take responsibility for when you make it personal...be bigger than that.  While some of the libtards you labelled can be a bit obnoxious and hit back at you, generally they do so after taking umbrage for your cheap shots. 

There was a tremendous amount of peace and quiet on the board when you two were banned for 10 days.  I would recommend that others take note as well if they stir up trouble...on both sides!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on June 10, 2020, 12:49:00 AM


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Be careful or Sanjeev will Cardboard you...being rude while Republican is not equal to being rude while Democrat.


Try justifying your claims and addressing the glaring inconsistencies in your post, if you can. Otherwise you’re just all talk. Literally, a Trump Chump.

Why don't you just drop dead LC.

Your wish is my command!  10 days...no posting...enjoy the peace and quiet until you learn to stop being assholes!  Cheers!

Sanjeev this was incredibly petty. You guys want to complain about dictators and people who punish those they disagree with politically.....and then you do shit like this?

You ban longtime contributor Cardboard for making a stupid comment after letting Dalal and many others cheer people dying because they get an excuse to regularly blast Trump(interestingly, as someone else pointed out, now most of those participants have moved on to other topics)...even stellar contributors like the thepupil pointed out that the coronavirus thread was a cesspool that should have been in politics from the get go; you let it stay in General Discussion after continuously removing threads that involved politics for the better part of the past two years. You've got folks like Read the Footnotes on your investment website contributing a whopping 44 posts in the investment ideas section over 5 years! to complement his regular political whining; the irony of talking about "quality of posting" and "ant-resume's"...LOL. Since coming back, ERICOPOLY literally does nothing but troll politics and semi regularly personally attack people(outside of the one glorious thread he contributed asking for advice on how to stiff his wife in divorce court; Donald Trump would have been proud of that one!). Stahleyp might get carried away on the religious tangents at times, but is always thoughtful and courteous; yet days ago you look the other way as cwericb compares his intellect to a telephone pole. Heck, even a couple weeks ago, you told me to "fuck off", which is basically just another way of saying what cubsfan said to LC....There's many others as well who fit into this category...yet you ban cubsfan for making a silly remark, and then ban me for what? Warning him that you've been petty and vindictive with the bans lately? To which your response is to be petty and vindictive? Its your site you do what you want but there's a certain irony to this behavior... but hey, we can change the title from "a value investors haven"... to.. any number of other creative things indicating what seems to be the trend.... a liberal's haven? Corner of Pennsylvania Ave and K Street? Whatever dude.

Ive managed to develop relationships with a good number of valuable and cool people through this site that I now communicate with regularly outside of COBF. It has a lot of value as an investment forum. So I don't really know why you want to turn it into some fiefdom where some people get to mouth off, be rude, and intolerant, while only those you disagree with get punished. Again, in just the past week, there's been open boasting and blanket statement bigotry; against Catholics and multiple statements about "all cops are bad cops"...those posters are all still here.

Frankly, if this is how you are going to carry on you should just remove the politics section since only one side of politics seems tolerated anyway. Maybe then the investment part of this site will flourish again. You were always very good at not being a hypocrite and more importantly, being fair with everyone and not letting your political biases influence how you treat people; hopefully this is just a short term aberration resulting from the obvious heightened stress the myriad current situations have brought upon everyone.  At a minimum, I would also suggest you implement a VIC type of minimum 1-2 ideas a year type of thing. It would at least limit those who have nothing to offer to an investment forum; of which, lately there are many.

Rude is tolerable, you just like being a jerk sometimes...like the comment you made to LC...that's why you were banned.

If you and Cubsfan made the same arguments you do, but just stated them instead of making it personal with everyone, then that would be fine.  But you two just can't leave it at that...you have to take shots at people, just like Cubsfan did at me in the above statements when I wasn't even involved in the discussion...thus his ban!

Take responsibility for when you make it personal...be bigger than that.  While some of the libtards you labelled can be a bit obnoxious and hit back at you, generally they do so after taking umbrage for your cheap shots. 

There was a tremendous amount of peace and quiet on the board when you two were banned for 10 days.  I would recommend that others take note as well if they stir up trouble...on both sides!  Cheers!

Uhm, I didn't make a comment to LC, that was Cubsfan, so I still dont know why I was banned unless as you are eluding to, its some kind of lifetime achievement award..

And come on, "tremendous amount of peace and quiet"? The use of the word "tremendous" here is pure Trump, and lets get real, there was literally zero investment related discussion and a ton of left leaning political whining. Very high quality whining of course, like how the same Never Trump Republicans like Colin Powell, who voted against him in 2016, chose to do so again...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 10, 2020, 06:35:59 AM
Lack of responsibility for anything is a trait certain types of people, often of a specific political orientation, regularly embrace.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 17, 2020, 06:31:29 AM
"conservatives are afraid to tell anyone what they believe because of the risk of losing their jobs"

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/06/16/2020-new-state-polls-show-trouble-for-trump-republicans-in-november/

Where was their pity when homosexuals were fired for coming out?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 23, 2020, 08:25:40 AM
Undermining his Press Secretary:

On Tuesday, when asked by CBS News reporter Weijia Jiang whether he was kidding when he said he told his “people” to slow down testing, Trump responded "I don’t kid" and added that testing is “double-edged sword.”


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/06/23/i-dont-kid-trump-says-he-wasnt-joking-about-slowing-testing/#4da6bd8e5b69

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on June 23, 2020, 08:29:12 AM
In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 23, 2020, 08:36:14 AM
“In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Can’t help but agree with this. The number cases is directly proportional to the amount of testing. Do more tests, the more cases you will find. Do less, you will find less.

The more reliable figure is the number of deaths. Or - show us the number of positive cases per the  number of tests done.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 23, 2020, 08:38:35 AM
In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

Doesn't he concurrently blame China for not 'hyping' the actual spread of the virus?
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Castanza on June 23, 2020, 08:57:34 AM
“In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Can’t help but agree with this. The number cases is directly proportional to the amount of testing. Do more tests, the more cases you will find. Do less, you will find less.

The more reliable figure is the number of deaths. Or - show us the number of positive cases per the  number of tests done.

Better yet let’s track ICU bed capacity. I don’t think any of the states that are seeing increases in cases are currently seeing any significant increase in ICU occupancy. Could change though.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: LC on June 23, 2020, 12:09:58 PM
In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

How callous! The whole point of testing is to gather information to potentially prevent further spread and save lives. It's not a dumb political game despite Trump's behavior  to the contrary. And believing so is whittling away at your humanity...
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 23, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
“In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Can’t help but agree with this. The number cases is directly proportional to the amount of testing. Do more tests, the more cases you will find. Do less, you will find less.

The more reliable figure is the number of deaths. Or - show us the number of positive cases per the  number of tests done.

Better yet let’s track ICU bed capacity. I don’t think any of the states that are seeing increases in cases are currently seeing any significant increase in ICU occupancy. Could change though.

It doesn't sound like a good proxy for case count if that's so.  Both are meaningful.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: Gregmal on June 23, 2020, 12:57:28 PM
“In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Can’t help but agree with this. The number cases is directly proportional to the amount of testing. Do more tests, the more cases you will find. Do less, you will find less.

The more reliable figure is the number of deaths. Or - show us the number of positive cases per the  number of tests done.

Better yet let’s track ICU bed capacity. I don’t think any of the states that are seeing increases in cases are currently seeing any significant increase in ICU occupancy. Could change though.

It doesn't sound like a good proxy for case count if that's so.  Both are meaningful.

The point is that obviously many people are simply operating in bad faith. This is how many operate with Trump. They complain he doesnt do something, and then when he does it, they complain too.

In respect to testing, I think it is important. Case #'s without proper background info are pretty meaningless. I read a piece today saying that there is evidence to support the notion that we had 9M COVID cases, IN MARCH. There just wasn't nearly the testing capacity to confirm each one.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 23, 2020, 02:06:11 PM
“In March people whined nonstop about how unacceptable it was that there wasn't more testing. Then they get more testing and they want to hype up the fact that there are more confirmed cases. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Can’t help but agree with this. The number cases is directly proportional to the amount of testing. Do more tests, the more cases you will find. Do less, you will find less.

The more reliable figure is the number of deaths. Or - show us the number of positive cases per the  number of tests done.

Better yet let’s track ICU bed capacity. I don’t think any of the states that are seeing increases in cases are currently seeing any significant increase in ICU occupancy. Could change though.

It doesn't sound like a good proxy for case count if that's so.  Both are meaningful.

The point is that obviously many people are simply operating in bad faith. This is how many operate with Trump. They complain he doesnt do something, and then when he does it, they complain too.

In respect to testing, I think it is important. Case #'s without proper background info are pretty meaningless. I read a piece today saying that there is evidence to support the notion that we had 9M COVID cases, IN MARCH. There just wasn't nearly the testing capacity to confirm each one.

I agree that case #'s in isolation is part of the picture.  I support the reporting of deaths and ICU numbers as well.  Like I said, they are all important.

Trump whines about how the press runs headlines based on testing numbers, but then again...

kicker...

He cancelled the daily briefings where the nation's top experts were available to explain things to the public with context.

And now he complains they don't print the message in context.  That's too rich.

Blaming the press for this failure of leadership is classic deflection.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: rb on June 23, 2020, 02:17:53 PM
For what it's worth in all the press sources I read, when they point out that some situation is worsening they make sure to specify that it appears that way not just because the number of cases are going up but because both the number of cases and % of positive tests are going up together. So I don't really see the bad faith. I don't watch cable news so i don't know what those clowns are saying.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on June 23, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
Yesterday McEnany and Trump's other mouthpieces like Peter Navarro were rebuking the press for being so foolish as to take Trump's remarks seriously about slowing down testing.

When asked if he was kidding about asking having the tests slowed he answered, "I don't kid."
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 23, 2020, 03:17:36 PM
Yesterday McEnany and Trump's other mouthpieces like Peter Navarro were rebuking the press for being so foolish as to take Trump's remarks seriously about slowing down testing.

When asked if he was kidding about asking having the tests slowed he answered, "I don't kid."

He perhaps wants to distance himself from the blame he is getting for allowing the country to shut down over a Democratic hoax.  He has too many balls to juggle with the various manipulative remarks he has made.  This attempt looks callous.

It’s a not my fault defence.
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: meiroy on June 23, 2020, 11:24:42 PM

AOC just won by 72.8%.

When people choose Trump and obsess with Trickle Down in an economy that needs Trickle Up for decades now, it's inevitable to get people like AOC.

Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: cwericb on July 01, 2020, 08:46:30 AM
News from Kayleigh:

"The President does read." That is good news. Does he understand wind yet?
And...

"he is the most informed person on the planet." so take that John Bolton!
Title: Re: Trump Has a New Press Secretary: Kayleigh McEnany
Post by: ERICOPOLY on July 07, 2020, 07:09:31 PM
classic line:

White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Tuesday at the White House. "I have yet to see the book, but it is a book of falsehoods."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mary-trump-tell-all-book-comes-out