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Title: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 27, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
As we get closer to the US election i thought it would be useful to create a thread to capture what is going on with respect to the rules by state. Some countries, like Canada, national election are managed across the country by one body so the process is pretty straight forward leading up to and deciding a winner on election night.

In the US the 50 states each do their own thing. And the virus adds more complexity with many more people choosing to mail in their ballot. And one more wrinkle? The exact process is not set in stone given the many legal challenges happening. I thought it would be useful to start a thread to explain how the actual election is going to work and how it may play out in November. As much as possible please post source material to support your thinking :-)

As an investor i am getting more interested in understanding what might happen on election night. So many possibilities. As the article below indicates it will likely be a very messy process and take a week or longer to decide a winner.

Why Four Pivotal Swing States Likely Won’t Be Called On Election Night
- https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin-north-carolina-likely-wont-be-called-on-election-night/

The 2020 election is already underway in several states, but that doesn’t mean the rules aren’t still changing. (We’re tracking them all here.) In the past eight days alone, four important swing states have tentatively extended the deadline by which mail ballots must be received.
- The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that ballots can arrive as late as Nov. 6 and still count as long as no evidence (e.g., a postmark) exists that they were mailed after Election Day (Nov. 3).
A state judge in Michigan decreed that ballots can be counted as long as they are postmarked by the day before the election (Nov. 2) and received by Nov. 17.
- A federal judge ordered Wisconsin to count absentee ballots that are postmarked by Nov. 3 as long as they arrive by Nov. 9.
- And North Carolina reached a tentative court settlement with plaintiffs that, among other things, would allow ballots to count as long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3 and arrive by Nov. 12. (However, the settlement still needs to be approved by a judge before it officially goes into effect.)

Importantly, however, these changes aren’t set in stone; Republicans may continue to contest them in court. At the very least, GOP legislative leaders in Wisconsin have already appealed that decision to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, and Republicans say they plan to take the Pennsylvania decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Articles Conclusion:
If Biden is leading in those states in the wee hours of Nov. 4, that may be the ballgame: Because mail ballots are expected to lean heavily Democratic, his margin will probably only increase as more mail ballots are counted. But if Trump is leading in these states, we could be in for days of waiting on the edge of our seat for every ballot dump. Since this is a distinct possibility, we must continue to prepare ourselves for a world in which we won’t know the identity of the next president until mid-November.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on September 27, 2020, 12:55:23 PM
As we get closer to the US election i thought it would be useful to create a thread to capture what is going on with respect to the rules by state. Some countries, like Canada, national election are managed across the country by one body so the process is pretty straight forward leading up to and deciding a winner on election night.

In the US the 50 states each do their own thing. And the virus adds more complexity with many more people choosing to mail in their ballot. And one more wrinkle? The exact process is not set in stone given the many legal challenges happening. I thought it would be useful to start a thread to explain how the actual election is going to work and how it may play out in November. As much as possible please post source material to support your thinking :-)

As an investor i am getting more interested in understanding what might happen on election night. So many possibilities. As the article below indicates it will likely be a very messy process and take a week or longer to decide a winner.

Why Four Pivotal Swing States Likely Won’t Be Called On Election Night
- https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin-north-carolina-likely-wont-be-called-on-election-night/

The 2020 election is already underway in several states, but that doesn’t mean the rules aren’t still changing. (We’re tracking them all here.) In the past eight days alone, four important swing states have tentatively extended the deadline by which mail ballots must be received.
- The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that ballots can arrive as late as Nov. 6 and still count as long as no evidence (e.g., a postmark) exists that they were mailed after Election Day (Nov. 3).
A state judge in Michigan decreed that ballots can be counted as long as they are postmarked by the day before the election (Nov. 2) and received by Nov. 17.
- A federal judge ordered Wisconsin to count absentee ballots that are postmarked by Nov. 3 as long as they arrive by Nov. 9.
- And North Carolina reached a tentative court settlement with plaintiffs that, among other things, would allow ballots to count as long as they are postmarked by Nov. 3 and arrive by Nov. 12. (However, the settlement still needs to be approved by a judge before it officially goes into effect.)

Importantly, however, these changes aren’t set in stone; Republicans may continue to contest them in court. At the very least, GOP legislative leaders in Wisconsin have already appealed that decision to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, and Republicans say they plan to take the Pennsylvania decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Articles Conclusion:
If Biden is leading in those states in the wee hours of Nov. 4, that may be the ballgame: Because mail ballots are expected to lean heavily Democratic, his margin will probably only increase as more mail ballots are counted. But if Trump is leading in these states, we could be in for days of waiting on the edge of our seat for every ballot dump. Since this is a distinct possibility, we must continue to prepare ourselves for a world in which we won’t know the identity of the next president until mid-November.


I understand the point you are trying to make, but overall, I think the bold shows the success of the propaganda machines. If Biden is leading on election night, its game over. If Trump is leading, we still need to wait for a real outcome. Essentially, the ground work has been laid to completely delegitimize a Trump victory. For a second time.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 27, 2020, 01:13:07 PM
^ Yep - here we go again.

The amount of voter fraud that is being reported via ballot harvesting, etc is quite alarming.

It's clear that mail in balloting is something the systems of our country (Post office, etc) are nor ready for.
Using old lists, with dead or moved voters, and mailing those out so they pile up at apartment building, etc - so they can be fraudulently returned.

The Democrats are scared and know EXACTLY what they are doing.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 27, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
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The amount of voter fraud that is being reported via ballot harvesting, etc is quite alarming.

Provide evidence.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 27, 2020, 01:44:04 PM
Greg, i am not trying to make a point with the article. What your take away is up to you. As more articles and links are provided we should be able to get a more complete picture of all the variables at play.

Guys, please provide links/facts to support your concerns. Greg, my understanding is it is generally believed that it is more likely that Democrats will vote by mail than Republicans. The reason, and this is important, is because of repeated Trump’s concerns about mail in fraud. He has been telling Republicans that voting by mail is terrible and so it makes sense many Republican voters would decide not to do it. This is not to say that no Republican voters will Vote by mail. Just that Democrats mail in votes will likely be > 50%. We will learn after the election if this was true or not.

Now if this line of reasoning is faulty please explain why?

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 27, 2020, 01:57:23 PM
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Guys, please provide links/facts to support your concerns

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it is more likely that Democrats will vote by mail than Republicans

This is the key point, what is your evidence?

Some resources to help you out:

https://electionupdates.caltech.edu/2020/03/20/some-demographics-on-voting-by-mail/
https://www.wired.com/story/weird-partisan-math-vote-by-mail/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/us/vote-by-mail-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 27, 2020, 02:05:20 PM
This article (first one i found when i looked) suggests mail in voting does not = higher turnout for either party. It does suggest Democrats MAY be more likely to vote by mail because they trust it and do not want to vote in person due to the virus. Republicans MAY be less likely to vote my mail because they do not trust it and they are less concerned about the virus and voting in person.

If this is true it means Republicans COULD see peak numbers (%) on election night. And as more mail ballots are counted, Democrat % COULD increase in the days after the election. But after all votes are counted (in person and by mail) neither party has an advantage. But it could take a week or two. To count all the votes.

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Do Republicans or Democrats benefit from mail-in voting? It turns out, neither
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/do-republicans-or-democrats-benefit-mail-voting-it-turns-out-neither

“It’s possible, Barber says, that Republican rhetoric could depress vote by mail among their members and cause a partisan split. “The problem is that Donald Trump has created a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.”

There are already signs that this is happening. In Florida, requests for mail-in ballots are usually evenly split between Republicans and Democrats, says Michael McDonald, a political scientist at the University of Florida. This year, 2 million Florida Democrats had requested mail ballots as of 25 August, compared with 1.375 million Republicans, according to a website McDonald runs that tracks mail ballot trends. Add to that the uneven ways in which mail-in voting is being rolled out in different states, and McDonald is at a loss to predict how it will influence the election outcome. “It’s completely uncharted territory,” he says.

There’s also the possibility that Republican reluctance to use mail-in ballots will be offset by Democrats’ avoidance of polling places. In a Texas primary in June, Democratic use of mail-in ballots skyrocketed. But the increase was canceled out by more Republicans voting in person, according to a preprint study by Hall and other Stanford researchers not yet published in a journal. “They’re voting by different modes,” he says. “But they’re not voting more or less.”
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 27, 2020, 05:03:31 PM
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The amount of voter fraud that is being reported via ballot harvesting, etc is quite alarming.

Provide evidence.

Guys - do yourselves a favor - broaden your sources.

Try reading Breitbart News, Daily Wire, Saraacarter.com, and National Review - EVERY DAY.
Read them EVERY DAY. Look at the last 60 days - you will find LOTS of instances of MAIL IN voter fraud being reported.

If you tell me - "oh those are conservative websites, so I can't believe them" - then I can not help you.

The great thing about the "free press" is that these truthtellers are out there reporting shit that does NOT fit the narrative of the MSM
and REMAINS UNREPORTED.

If I have time, I will repost - but in the meantime - broaden your horizons and sources and then make a judgement on the stories yourselves.

Please DON'T take my word for it. You are all brilliant analysts - so DON'T believe me.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 27, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
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The amount of voter fraud that is being reported via ballot harvesting, etc is quite alarming.

Provide evidence.

Guys - do yourselves a favor - broaden your sources.

Try reading Breitbart News, Daily Wire, Saraacarter.com, and National Review - EVERY DAY.
Read them EVERY DAY. Look at the last 60 days - you will find LOTS of instances of MAIL IN voter fraud being reported.

If you tell me - "oh those are conservative websites, so I can't believe them" - then I can not help you.

The great thing about the "free press" is that these truthtellers are out there reporting shit that does NOT fit the narrative of the MSM
and REMAINS UNREPORTED.

If I have time, I will repost - but in the meantime - broaden your horizons and sources and then make a judgement on the stories yourselves.

Please DON'T take my word for it. You are all brilliant analysts - so DON'T believe me.

I think i understand. When you make a comment you want readers to go to the various news sites you posted above and try and find the article you read that backs up your position? Please correct me if i am wrong.

Another way is you could simple post a link to the article when you read it. Accurate. Simple. Educational. But if that is too complicated or if you are too busy i understand.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 27, 2020, 05:22:28 PM
^ I will do the best I can to help my fellow board members and repost.
In the meantime, I am offering a suggestion that will help. It will require an open mind - and that may be difficult for some.
And that I can not change.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on September 27, 2020, 05:46:16 PM
I agree there is some validity here. The MSM purposely deletes and erases events that dont fit their narrative. Then only places that do report them, are places the MSM and lefties have successfully branded as "extremist" or "alt right"....Clever, but again, an event is an event and if it happened it doesnt really matter who is reporting, does it?

For all the times these places report on, and obsessively declare that "Trump lies"....whos keeping track of Joe's? There's been a number of these same places that have kept count, and it's truly bizarre the degree to which Biden constantly lies, and the things he lies about. I cant blame many lefties for not freaking out the way they do when they read about Trump lying all the time, but definitely, as cubsfan said, broaden the horizon. Just to name a few of the comical/bizarre....Joe Biden has lied about..being a college student at a historically black university.....being arrested on 3! separate occasions....teaching at UPenn...."visiting Afghanistan to honor a Naval officer who he said had rappelled down a ravine while under fire to retrieve the body of a fellow soldier"....and then of course his disastrous bid in the 80s to become President, and of course the series of lies that ended that as well....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 27, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
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The MSM purposely deletes and erases events that dont fit their narrative
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For all the times these places report on, and obsessively declare that "Trump lies"....whos keeping track of Joe's?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/us/politics/fact-check-joe-biden-campaign.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/us/politics/fact-checking-biden-on-the-coronavirus-and-his-own-record.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/politics/biden-factcheck.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/21/us/politics/fact-check-democrats.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/12/us/politics/fact-check-democratic-debate-september.html

And of course
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

Which you can compare with
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 27, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
I agree there is some validity here. The MSM purposely deletes and erases events that dont fit their narrative. Then only places that do report them, are places the MSM and lefties have successfully branded as "extremist" or "alt right"....Clever, but again, an event is an event and if it happened it doesnt really matter who is reporting, does it?

For all the times these places report on, and obsessively declare that "Trump lies"....whos keeping track of Joe's? There's been a number of these same places that have kept count, and it's truly bizarre the degree to which Biden constantly lies, and the things he lies about. I cant blame many lefties for not freaking out the way they do when they read about Trump lying all the time, but definitely, as cubsfan said, broaden the horizon. Just to name a few of the comical/bizarre....Joe Biden has lied about..being a college student at a historically black university.....being arrested on 3! separate occasions....teaching at UPenn...."visiting Afghanistan to honor a Naval officer who he said had rappelled down a ravine while under fire to retrieve the body of a fellow soldier"....and then of course his disastrous bid in the 80s to become President, and of course the series of lies that ended that as well....

The difference is Trump lies at a historic rate. By far more than any other president in US history. Pretty much every day. And usually multiple times every day. Its like comparing a jaywalker with a serial killer. Yes, both people broke the law.

Biden has his own issues. This isn’t one of them (in comparison to Trump).
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on September 28, 2020, 06:01:13 AM
I agree there is some validity here. The MSM purposely deletes and erases events that dont fit their narrative. Then only places that do report them, are places the MSM and lefties have successfully branded as "extremist" or "alt right"....Clever, but again, an event is an event and if it happened it doesnt really matter who is reporting, does it?

For all the times these places report on, and obsessively declare that "Trump lies"....whos keeping track of Joe's? There's been a number of these same places that have kept count, and it's truly bizarre the degree to which Biden constantly lies, and the things he lies about. I cant blame many lefties for not freaking out the way they do when they read about Trump lying all the time, but definitely, as cubsfan said, broaden the horizon. Just to name a few of the comical/bizarre....Joe Biden has lied about..being a college student at a historically black university.....being arrested on 3! separate occasions....teaching at UPenn...."visiting Afghanistan to honor a Naval officer who he said had rappelled down a ravine while under fire to retrieve the body of a fellow soldier"....and then of course his disastrous bid in the 80s to become President, and of course the series of lies that ended that as well....

The difference is Trump lies at a historic rate. By far more than any other president in US history. Pretty much every day. And usually multiple times every day. Its like comparing a jaywalker with a serial killer. Yes, both people broke the law.

Biden has his own issues. This isn’t one of them (in comparison to Trump).

Biden has 40 years in office of blatant lies. I don't think he's been honest about a single thing this campaign. The difference (regarding covid19) is Biden lies to the negative and Trump lies to the positive. Humans and people are inclined to latch onto negative news. Especially in today's environment. I still can't believe people think Trump and Biden are radically different. They are two peas of a pod all the way down to their embellished educations.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on September 28, 2020, 06:31:17 AM
Interesting how the (predictably) NYT losers come out with the tax records right before a huge voter fraud development...which I am sure will be ignored and/or downplayed by liberals. Those dorks were probably so excited about "finally getting" what they thought were Trumps returns...but again, just like the Access Hollywood tape, not many give a shit about the MSM's blatant attempt to drop their "stories" right ahead of an election hoping to manipulate the people.

On a separate note, isn't it kind of egregious, on a general level, to have scumbag journalists basically setting out on a mission to secretly, and possibly illegally, obtain an American citizens personal information, and then publish it? Or cuz its Trump we dont care? Probably the later...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on September 28, 2020, 08:04:04 AM
Interesting how the (predictably) NYT losers come out with the tax records right before a huge voter fraud development...which I am sure will be ignored and/or downplayed by liberals. Those dorks were probably so excited about "finally getting" what they thought were Trumps returns...but again, just like the Access Hollywood tape, not many give a shit about the MSM's blatant attempt to drop their "stories" right ahead of an election hoping to manipulate the people.

On a separate note, isn't it kind of egregious, on a general level, to have scumbag journalists basically setting out on a mission to secretly, and possibly illegally, obtain an American citizens personal information, and then publish it? Or cuz its Trump we dont care? Probably the later...

Everyone already knew what his tax returns would show. When he was campaigning in 2016 he literally said "I took full advantage of all the tax loopholes like everyone else." Meanwhile Mike Bloomberg is blatantly committing election fraud.....crickets
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on September 28, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
Interesting how the (predictably) NYT losers come out with the tax records right before a huge voter fraud development...which I am sure will be ignored and/or downplayed by liberals. Those dorks were probably so excited about "finally getting" what they thought were Trumps returns...but again, just like the Access Hollywood tape, not many give a shit about the MSM's blatant attempt to drop their "stories" right ahead of an election hoping to manipulate the people.

On a separate note, isn't it kind of egregious, on a general level, to have scumbag journalists basically setting out on a mission to secretly, and possibly illegally, obtain an American citizens personal information, and then publish it? Or cuz its Trump we dont care? Probably the later...

Everyone already knew what his tax returns would show. When he was campaigning in 2016 he literally said "I took full advantage of all the tax loopholes like everyone else." Meanwhile Mike Bloomberg is blatantly committing election fraud.....crickets

Bbbbut, they're trying so hard! Look at the NYT homepage LOL
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 09:12:15 AM
Interesting how the (predictably) NYT losers come out with the tax records right before a huge voter fraud development...which I am sure will be ignored and/or downplayed by liberals. Those dorks were probably so excited about "finally getting" what they thought were Trumps returns...but again, just like the Access Hollywood tape, not many give a shit about the MSM's blatant attempt to drop their "stories" right ahead of an election hoping to manipulate the people.

On a separate note, isn't it kind of egregious, on a general level, to have scumbag journalists basically setting out on a mission to secretly, and possibly illegally, obtain an American citizens personal information, and then publish it? Or cuz its Trump we dont care? Probably the later...

Yawn, another "bombshell report", "we got him now!", "this is the end", blah, blah, blah.....

Meanwhile, the real fun will be Tuesday evening with Joe Biden - the only man in Presidential history can destroy his candidacy in 5 minutes,
depending what comes out of his mouth. DNC leadership have to be terrified.  One more "If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black" - and Biden is done.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
Lets recap:

Claim of "quite alarming" voter fraud related to ballot harvesting - yet to be substantiated
Claim that the mainstream media does not track Biden's accuracy/truthfullness - shown to be incorrect

Followed up by the audacity to claim journalists are scumbags.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 09:29:21 AM
Just a small recap for those too lazy to take a little time and do as I suggested:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/27/breaking-project-veritas-ballot-harvesting-minnesota/

The video is quite entertaining.

Project Veritas Exposes Ilhan Omar Allies in Alleged Ballot Harvesting Operation in Minnesota

Video footage captured by Project Veritas shows an operative, Liban Mohamed, bragging about collecting hundreds of ballots.

“Numbers do not lie. Numbers do not lie. … You can see my car is full. All these here are absentee ballots. Can’t you see? Look at all these; my car is full,” Mohamed can be heard saying in the video.

The video also includes testimony from a whistleblower, Omar Jamal, who called Rep. Omar’s alleged ballot harvesting an “open secret” and also discussed an alleged cash-for-votes scheme organized by staffers of Rep. Omar.

“She [Ilhan Omar] will do anything that she can do to get elected and she [Ilhan Omar] has hundreds of people on the streets doing that,” said Jamal.



As I mentioned - don't expect to see this reported on "The Most Trusted Name in News" CNN.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on September 28, 2020, 09:33:09 AM
Lets recap:

Claim of "quite alarming" voter fraud related to ballot harvesting - yet to be substantiated
Claim that the mainstream media does not track Biden's accuracy/truthfullness - shown to be incorrect

Followed up by the audacity to claim journalists are scumbags.

"yet to be substantiated" Funny how this is only important when it's an allegation against a democrat.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on September 28, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
Lets recap:

Claim of "quite alarming" voter fraud related to ballot harvesting - yet to be substantiated
Claim that the mainstream media does not track Biden's accuracy/truthfullness - shown to be incorrect

Followed up by the audacity to claim journalists are scumbags.

Yup, you nailed it LC, proof there is no bias!

Its amazing how they, with such little effort to occasionally throw out a "lets fact check Biden" so we can say we arent biased, fool people continuously. I must have missed the 20 opinion pieces(now called analysis) that follow every fact check offering nothing but rhetoric to help people form their conclusions...


And yea, journalists are two bit sleezeball scum, its only fair we treat and disparage them as such. Isn't that what we do with Donald? Fair is fair, no?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 10:17:16 AM
Lets recap:

Claim of "quite alarming" voter fraud related to ballot harvesting - yet to be substantiated
Claim that the mainstream media does not track Biden's accuracy/truthfullness - shown to be incorrect

Followed up by the audacity to claim journalists are scumbags.

"yet to be substantiated" Funny how this is only important when it's an allegation against a democrat.

It's important for all citizens - republican or democrat. If it wasn't, Trump would be in jail. But he received due process as he is entitled to, and good for all of us that he did. It shows some parts of the democratic system are still functioning.

cubsfan, in terms of your reference. Ballot harvesting itself is not illegal. Illegally voting on behalf of someone else without their consent, or intimidating their vote, is illegal.

Important to note that the subject of the video claims project veritas doctored the video and took his comments out of context. I personally can't wait for an investigation to show get to the bottom of it.

But as it stands, and as Castanza just rightfully pointed out, folks are still innocent until proven guilty in this country.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 10:31:02 AM
Lets recap:

Claim of "quite alarming" voter fraud related to ballot harvesting - yet to be substantiated
Claim that the mainstream media does not track Biden's accuracy/truthfullness - shown to be incorrect

Followed up by the audacity to claim journalists are scumbags.

"yet to be substantiated" Funny how this is only important when it's an allegation against a democrat.

It's important for all citizens - republican or democrat. If it wasn't, Trump would be in jail. But he received due process as he is entitled to, and good for all of us that he did. It shows some parts of the democratic system are still functioning.

cubsfan, in terms of your reference. Ballot harvesting itself is not illegal. Illegally voting on behalf of someone else without their consent, or intimidating their vote, is illegal.

Important to note that the subject of the video claims project veritas doctored the video and took his comments out of context. I personally can't wait for an investigation to show get to the bottom of it.

But as it stands, and as Castanza just rightfully pointed out, folks are still innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Who said they are proven guilty?  You have Omars campaign person admitting to the activity - did you expect him to plead guilty after being exposed?

The investigation centers around three consistent allegations from community members:

1. A complex, widespread ballot buying scheme exists with voters paid $100-$200/vote

2. A systematic absentee ballot harvesting organization disenfranchises voters

3. Irregularities at polling locations allow illegal ballots to be counted
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
Your criticized Mueller's investigation because it was based on "alarming" claims.
Now you appear to be doing the same thing that you criticized congressional Democrats for doing.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 10:55:52 AM
Keep changing the subject LC - attack the messenger - and keep getting your news from CNN and MSNBC.

It really does not matter to me if you believe there is illegal voter election activity going on in Minneapolis with this campaign.
Ignore whatever you like - some things are quite obvious - but you're a big boy - so keep digging that hole deeper.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 10:56:19 AM
Interesting how the (predictably) NYT losers come out with the tax records right before a huge voter fraud development...which I am sure will be ignored and/or downplayed by liberals. Those dorks were probably so excited about "finally getting" what they thought were Trumps returns...but again, just like the Access Hollywood tape, not many give a shit about the MSM's blatant attempt to drop their "stories" right ahead of an election hoping to manipulate the people.

On a separate note, isn't it kind of egregious, on a general level, to have scumbag journalists basically setting out on a mission to secretly, and possibly illegally, obtain an American citizens personal information, and then publish it? Or cuz its Trump we dont care? Probably the later...

Everyone already knew what his tax returns would show. When he was campaigning in 2016 he literally said "I took full advantage of all the tax loopholes like everyone else." Meanwhile Mike Bloomberg is blatantly committing election fraud.....crickets

Bbbbut, they're trying so hard! Look at the NYT homepage LOL

The tax information helps to sketch out a more complete picture of the man. Given Trump refused to divest his businesses i would think more information is a good thing. By not divesting his businesses, which was the norm before he was President, i think we can agree there is a heightened  potential conflict of interest. I know, i know, Trump is such an upstanding President it is highly unlikely he will do anything inappropriate.

(Another interesting thought exercise would be to pretend Trump was a Democrat... would Republicans think this information was important? Of course they would - wink, wink).

Trump’s obvious love of Russia has been one of the big head scratchers for me. Please, please, before a bunch of you start to foam at the mouth i am not talking about ‘collusion’. Now there is some information in the tax filings that shed some light on Trump’s adoration of Russia and its senior leadership.

They did shed new light on the money behind the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow.

“The records show that the pageant was the most profitable Miss Universe during Mr. Trump’s time as co-owner, and that it generated a personal payday of $2.3 million.“

“That is borne out by the tax records. They show that in 2013, the pageant reported $31.6 million in gross receipts — the highest since at least the 1990s — allowing Mr. Trump and his co-owner, NBC, to split profits of $4.7 million. By comparison, Mr. Trump and NBC shared losses of $2 million from the pageant the year before the Moscow event, and $3.8 million from the one the year after.“

(The Moscow event was bankrolled by a Russian oligarch who lost millions on it... so it was not a big commercial success. Basically, the pageant and Trump were given a very, very large financial gift. Good for them. That’s called capitalism :-)

So i finally get Trump and Russia. Trump loves Russia because its it is a great place to do business. People there treated him very, very well. ‘Nice guys.‘

American foreign policy was wrong for decades.  Everyone repeat after me... Putin is misunderstood and is a really nice guy. Please repeat 10 times :-)

(And all those US generals who think Trump is ‘unfit for office‘ (their words not mine) are clearly wrong.)
- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/24/nearly-500-generals-admirals-endorse-joe-biden-blast-donald-trump/3503917001/

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Nothing to see here on mail-in voter fraud - arrests made - but ALAS no conviction yet!


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/democrat-primary-arrests-made-in-illegal-ballot-harvesting-scheme/

Texas law enforcement officials arrested four individuals Thursday for their alleged involvement in an illegal ballot harvesting scheme in the state’s 2018 Democrat primary election. Among those apprehended and facing some of the 134 felony voter fraud charges was the Democrat who claimed the primary race.

The charge list against the individuals was long and inclusive. It included engaging in organized election fraud, illegal voting, fraudulent use of an application for a mail-in ballot, unlawful possession of a mail-in ballot, tampering with a governmental record, and election fraud.


It is an unfortunate reality that elections can be stolen outright by mail ballot fraud. Election fraud, particularly an organized mail ballot fraud scheme orchestrated by political operatives, is an affront to democracy and results in voter disenfranchisement and corruption at the highest level.

Mail ballots are vulnerable to diversion, coercion, and influence by organized vote harvesting schemes. This case demonstrates my commitment to ensuring Texas has the most secure elections in the country, and I thank the Gregg County Sheriff and District Attorney for their continued partnership. Those who try to manipulate the outcome of elections in Texas must be held accountable.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
This was the best recent example of voter fraud that i am aware of. Looks like both Republicans and Democrats do bad things in local elections. But what about past Presidential / Senate / House elections? That is the election at hand. (My guess is every election in the US has different rules and controls in terms of how it is executed.)

North Carolina Republican operative charged in election fraud scheme
- https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1QG2FS

The North Carolina Republican political operative at the center of an absentee ballot fraud scheme that led the state to order a rerun of a congressional election was arrested and charged with obstruction of justice on Wednesday, officials said.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on September 28, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
Trump lies the most historically! (based on what data?)

Biden literally yesterday : "Never before in our nation's history has a Supreme Court justice been nominated and installed while a presidential election is already underway. It defies every precedent."
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 11:40:11 AM
More Voter Fraud:

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/24/u-s-attorney-military-ballots-cast-for-trump-found-discarded-in-pennsylvania/

Since Monday, FBI personnel working together with the Pennsylvania State Police have conducted numerous interviews and recovered and reviewed certain physical evidence. Election officials in Luzerne County have been cooperative. At this point we can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded. Investigators have recovered nine ballots at this time. Some of those ballots can be attributed to specific voters and some cannot. All nine ballots were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump.

It is presently unclear how many ballots were discarded.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 11:40:25 AM
Trump lies the most historically! (based on what data?)

Biden literally yesterday : "Never before in our nation's history has a Supreme Court justice been nominated and installed while a presidential election is already underway. It defies every precedent."

Sorry to break the news... Trump is not the man you thought he was. Read and weep.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Veracity and politics

"It has long been a truism that politicians lie," wrote Carole McGranahan for the American Ethnologist journal in 2017. However, "Donald Trump is different" from other politicians, stated McGranahan, citing that Trump is the most "accomplished and effective liar" thus far to have ever participated in American politics. McGranahan felt that "the frequency, degree, and impact of lying in politics are now unprecedented" as a result of Trump.[6]

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley of Rice University stated that past U.S. presidents have indeed "lied or misled the country," but none of them were a "serial liar" like Trump.[16] Donnel Stern, writing in the Psychoanalytic Dialogues journal in 2019, declared: "We expect politicians to stretch the truth. But Trump is a whole different animal," because Trump "lies as a policy," and he "will say anything" to satisfy his supporters or himself.[17]

Heidi Taksdal Skjeseth, writing for the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism in 2017, described lies having "always been an integral part of politics and political communication". However, Trump was "delivering untruths on an unprecedented scale" in U.S. politics, both during his presidential campaign and during his presidency. Skjeseth also commented that no one in French politics was comparable to Trump in his provision of falsehoods.[18]

"Fabrications have long been a part of American politics," wrote Sheryl Gay Stolberg in The New York Times in 2017, as several presidents in the previous 50 years have lied. Stolberg cited that Dwight Eisenhower lied about a U.S. spy plane shot down over the Soviet Union, Lyndon Johnson lied to justify U.S. policies regarding Vietnam, and Bill Clinton lied to conceal his sexual affair. Meanwhile, Stolberg recounts that Richard Nixon was accused of lying in the Watergate scandal, while George W. Bush was accused of lying about the need for the Iraq War (with Donald Trump being one accuser of Bush lying). However, Stolberg states that "President Trump, historians and consultants in both political parties agree, appears to have taken what the writer Hannah Arendt once called 'the conflict between truth and politics' to an entirely new level ... Trump is trafficking in hyperbole, distortion and fabrication on practically a daily basis."[19]

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 11:43:37 AM
Voter Fraud - where there is smoke there is fire??

You be the judge:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/democrat-insider-anti-trump-postal-workers-in-gop-neighborhoods-throw-mail-in-ballots-in-the-garbage/

Democrat operative told the New York Post‘s Jon Levine a number of stories in which insiders like him lead teams of fraudsters to commit election fraud by paying homeless voters off, taking advantage of the elderly, posing as registered voters, and printing up fake ballots.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 12:00:36 PM
More Voter Fraud - NJ Election overturned:

https://www.nj.com/passaic-county/2020/08/nj-city-gets-an-election-do-over-after-voter-fraud-issues.html

The judge’s decision comes after a May election beset by allegations of voter fraud almost immediately. Hundreds of city ballots were found scattered across different municipalities in New Jersey. Ultimately, the Passaic County Board of Elections decided not to count 800 city ballots.

Weeks later, Grewal charged the four men with fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, tampering with public records and falsifying or tampering with records, according to the statement. Mendez was additionally charged with election fraud and false registration or transfer.


Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 12:01:57 PM
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It really does not matter to me if you believe there is illegal voter election activity going on in Minneapolis with this campaign.

All I can go on is the evidence.

These account to a few hundred ballots. Not sure I would consider that highly alarming in the scope of a Presidential election.

Additionally they're seemingly very easy to catch.
-In Texas, the % of mail-in ballots marked "disabled" was 33% - compared to a statewide average of 9%. And they found this out in 2018 - not sure what the Texas AG was doing in the meantime but that is besides the point.

-In Minnesota a ballot agent can only deliver & collect 6 total ballots. So there must be further corruption going on to then funnel these hundreds of potential ballots to different agents, otherwise it would be easily caught when one person drops off 50 ballots.

Additionally I'm not clear on whether the Minnesota video was illegal. Law in Minn. does not allow one ballot agent to collect & return more than 6 distinct ballots. However it seems that law was temporary suspended (a Republican lawsuit to remove that suspension was denied: https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/07/2020-08-11-Order-Denying-Stay-of-Temp.-Inj..pdf)

So (and I could be wrong) the only claim of illegality was the mashed-up clips of him talking about money and showing a handful of ballots, indicating he was getting paid to influence votes (which is illegal). But this could be easily faked, which is his argument. So ultimately an investigation is needed.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
More Voter Fraud - NJ Election overturned:

https://www.nj.com/passaic-county/2020/08/nj-city-gets-an-election-do-over-after-voter-fraud-issues.html

The judge’s decision comes after a May election beset by allegations of voter fraud almost immediately. Hundreds of city ballots were found scattered across different municipalities in New Jersey. Ultimately, the Passaic County Board of Elections decided not to count 800 city ballots.

Weeks later, Grewal charged the four men with fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, tampering with public records and falsifying or tampering with records, according to the statement. Mendez was additionally charged with election fraud and false registration or transfer.

Of the 800 ballots thrown out:

One in five ballots in Paterson, 20%, were thrown out, most of them because they were improperly filled out, not because they were illegally cast.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 12:05:46 PM
Voter Fraud - where there is smoke there is fire??

You be the judge:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/democrat-insider-anti-trump-postal-workers-in-gop-neighborhoods-throw-mail-in-ballots-in-the-garbage/

Democrat operative told the New York Post‘s Jon Levine a number of stories in which insiders like him lead teams of fraudsters to commit election fraud by paying homeless voters off, taking advantage of the elderly, posing as registered voters, and printing up fake ballots.

9 whole ballots. Are you alarmed yet?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
Voter Fraud - where there is smoke there is fire??

You be the judge:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/democrat-insider-anti-trump-postal-workers-in-gop-neighborhoods-throw-mail-in-ballots-in-the-garbage/

Democrat operative told the New York Post‘s Jon Levine a number of stories in which insiders like him lead teams of fraudsters to commit election fraud by paying homeless voters off, taking advantage of the elderly, posing as registered voters, and printing up fake ballots.

9 whole ballots. Are you alarmed yet?

Uh, leave out the key stuff - Number of ballots unknown.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 12:32:44 PM
Well again, all we can do is go on the evidence. Otherwise, I mean, it could be in the trillions  ::)

I don't mean to be flippant because I absolutely hate fraud, but the numbers here (materiality) appear pretty small particularly in the context of a nationwide election.

I think weighing the cost of fraud vs. the benefit of expanded voting (particularly during COVID) - it comes out on the side of expanding mail-in-voting. And I think in terms of limiting voter fraud, we should look to the states that are doing it really well (Colorado being one of them, close to home for me)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/05/las-vegas-over-223k-mail-in-ballots-bounced-as-undeliverable-in-recent-primary-election/

It's clear that many states are not at ALL ready for the mail-in voting system. The lists are just not anywhere near up to date.
Doing a statewide mailing to EVERYONE, instead of those who request absentee ballots is a disaster. A handful of states are.
Obviously Nevada is not.

The little experiment in Nevada - 17% of ballots undeliverable (224,000 out of 1,300,000). Pretty easy to commit fraud with lists like these.
Everyone knows these voter lists are inaccurate.

As a voter - if I am afraid of the Corona Virus implications - ALL I have to do is request an absentee ballot. It's real simple, and I reduce the
risk of voter fraud.

Is that the way to run an election?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
More on Ilan Omar's Cash for Votes Scheme. 

Believe what you like. LC says "innocent until proven guilty". I say "where there is smoke there is fire"

It's all on tape - make your own judgement.

Fortunately, this scheme is a violation of Federal Law - so Minnesota may not be able to bury it.

https://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/houseimages/eae8bc0d-d546-4a77-8f0e-169e476509b1.pdf

It has been represented to me that in Minneapolis, several Democrat campaigns have been paying individuals to vote. This fraud is said to be occurring in many forms. I have been repeatedly told that much of this activity has been orchestrated by the congressional campaign of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (MN-05), and the evidence suggests the same. Moreover, much of the alleged illegal activity leading up to and around this year’s primary election matches information that I have been given about similar illegal voting activities in 2016 and 2018.

Specifically, it has been represented to me that campaigns have been stealing absentee ballots from individuals and paying individuals to obtain their absentee ballots.


• campaign workers help these individuals vote and then voters return to the vans to be driven home

• in the vans, campaign staff pay these voters up to $200 each for their vote
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Ross812 on September 28, 2020, 01:35:23 PM
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The amount of voter fraud that is being reported via ballot harvesting, etc is quite alarming.

Provide evidence.

Guys - do yourselves a favor - broaden your sources.

Try reading Breitbart News, Daily Wire, Saraacarter.com, and National Review - EVERY DAY.
Read them EVERY DAY. Look at the last 60 days - you will find LOTS of instances of MAIL IN voter fraud being reported.

If you tell me - "oh those are conservative websites, so I can't believe them" - then I can not help you.

The great thing about the "free press" is that these truthtellers are out there reporting shit that does NOT fit the narrative of the MSM
and REMAINS UNREPORTED.

If I have time, I will repost - but in the meantime - broaden your horizons and sources and then make a judgement on the stories yourselves.

Please DON'T take my word for it. You are all brilliant analysts - so DON'T believe me.

???

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjP5nZP5/news.png)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
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LC says "innocent until proven guilty". I say "where there is smoke there is fire"

Gratefully, the entire US legal system sides with my position.

Additionally, Project Veritas has a history of doctoring footage and attempting to "bait" individuals into illegality, you can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas#History

Like Trump, their reputation is suspect. And the smoke you are seeing is most likely the smoke you are blowing up their arse by taking their "reporting" at face value  ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
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LC says "innocent until proven guilty". I say "where there is smoke there is fire"

Gratefully, the entire US legal system sides with my position.

Additionally, Project Veritas has a history of doctoring footage and attempting to "bait" individuals into illegality, you can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas#History

Like Trump, their reputation is suspect. And the smoke you are seeing is most likely the smoke you are blowing up their arse by taking their "reporting" at face value  ;D

Nice try. Project Veritas has a History of being smeared by the LEFT - since they have done so much damage to the LEFT.
Wikipedia hates these guys. The "doctored" videos are submitted videos that show the most blatant crimes. They are always accompanied
by the FULL videos in an appendix.

Project Veritas destroyed ACORN, the crooked community organizing group , for agreeing to help commit tax fraud and show a pimp and prostitute
how they could evade Federal taxes. 4 of the 5 offices approached by Veritas, ageed to help them. It's all on tape. That was the end of ACORN, as
multiple state and federal bodies WITHDREW their funding for ACORN - effectively destroying them.

This painted a HUGE target on Project Veritas for hurting the progressive movement and making Obama look bad. Nicely swept under the rug,
but the public thank Veritas for killing ACORN by forcing legislators to REMOVE ALL PUBLIC FUNDING FOR ACORN.



Continue the smear machine LC - you are very good at shooting the messenger - first me, now Project Veritas.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 02:39:40 PM
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LC says "innocent until proven guilty". I say "where there is smoke there is fire"

Gratefully, the entire US legal system sides with my position.

Additionally, Project Veritas has a history of doctoring footage and attempting to "bait" individuals into illegality, you can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas#History

Like Trump, their reputation is suspect. And the smoke you are seeing is most likely the smoke you are blowing up their arse by taking their "reporting" at face value  ;D

You can rely on Wikipedia for your "facts" or maybe just stick with CNN/MSNBC.

Regarding Project Veritas and their destruction of ACORN, the criminal community organizing group championed by President Obama:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/congress-votes-to-strip-acorn-of-federal-funding:

Congress Votes to Strip ACORN of Federal Funding

The House voted 345-75 to strike ACORN funding from a student aid bill with two voting present.

Later, the Senate voted 85-11 to eliminate ACORN funding from an Interior Department spending bill.

IRS Severed ties with ACORN


Census Bureau severed ties with ACORN

All this happened because of Project Veritas and their so-called "doctored videos"
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on September 28, 2020, 02:41:07 PM
Im noticing a trend. The lefty controlled MSM smear their opponents. Liberal advocates use MSM propaganda to verify discrediting those opponents. Simple enough, eh?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 02:45:35 PM
Im noticing a trend. The lefty controlled MSM smear their opponents. Liberal advocates use MSM propaganda to verify discrediting those opponents. Simple enough, eh?

The Circular Firing Squad eventually claims themselves. It just takes time....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
Nice try with the half-stories and quarter-truths, cubsfan:

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By December 2009, an external investigation of ACORN was published which cleared the organization of any illegality, while commenting that its poor management practices contributed to unprofessional actions by some low-level employees

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The California Attorney General's Office granted O'Keefe and Giles limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for providing the full, unedited videotapes related to ACORN offices in California.[30] The AG's Report was released on April 1, 2010, concluding that the videos from ACORN offices in Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Bernardino had been "severely edited."[30] The report found there was no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct. It found that three employees had tried to deflect the couple's plans, told them ACORN could not offer them help on the grounds they wanted, and otherwise dealt with them appropriately. Such context was not reflected in O'Keefe's edited tapes. The AG's Report noted that "O'Keefe stated that he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story".

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On the basis of the edited videotape which O'Keefe released, Vera appeared to be a willing participant in helping with O'Keefe's plan to smuggle young women into the United States illegally. However, authorities confirmed that Mr. Vera immediately contacted them about O'Keefe and that he had also encouraged O'Keefe to share as much information as possible about his scheme and gather further evidence of O'Keefe's purported illegal activities, which could then be used by prosecutors to bring charges against O'Keefe for attempted human trafficking

And the ultimate admission of Project Veritas' baloney:

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On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera, and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. As part of the settlement, O'Keefe expressed regret for "any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
Also, I haven't smeared you, or your Mickey Mouse sources from clown college journalism. A reader with a critical eye can make up their own mind.  ;D

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O'Keefe has been barred from fundraising for Project Veritas in Florida and other states because of his federal criminal record for entering a federal building under fraudulent pretenses.[21][22]

C'mon, it takes a real screw up to get banned by FLORIDA!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 03:44:03 PM
I thought it might be useful to learn a little more about this whole vote by mail thing. The President is concerned, and given he always tells the truth, time to dig a little deeper. And i am getting tired of the communists on this board always bitching about that amazing piece of humanity. So time to go to work and prove President Trump is right :-)

The BBC has a very nice overview of the topic.
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53353404

A couple of things i learned:
- “In the 2016 US presidential election, nearly one quarter of votes were cast by post, and that number is expected to rise this time round due to public health concerns over coronavirus.“
- “President Trump himself has voted by post in the past, such as in Florida's 2020 primary election as he is a registered voter in the state, but is living elsewhere - in Washington DC.” (I guess this is just another example of what our mothers taught us all when we were young - it is more important what you say than what you do! :-)
- “But numerous nationwide and state-level studies over the years have not revealed evidence of major, widespread fraud.“
- “But the rate of voting fraud overall in the US is between 0.00004% and 0.0009%, according to a 2017 study by the Brennan Center for Justice.” https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

Ok. So lets try and put this all together. Lots and lots of Americans vote in every Presidential election using mail in ballots - 25% in 2016. Looking at past Presidential elections as a guide, the rate of voting fraud is miniscule.

Once again, facts do not line up with what is coming out of Mr Trumps mouth. Shocker! That guy NEVER lies.

PS: but don’t let the big picture view or facts throw you off...
——————————————-
Dartmouth Study Finds No Evidence of Voter Fraud
- https://www.dartmouth.edu/press-releases/no_evidence_voter_fraud.html

“As we note in the study, the voter fraud fears fomented and espoused by the Trump campaign are not grounded in any observable features of the election."
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 03:47:15 PM
^LC - You continue to SHOOT THE MESSENGER (me, Project Veritas, Breitbart) - go right ahead buddy.

Veritas brought down a criminal organization, ACORN, that advised those groups (Pimp & Prostitute) how to defraud the Federal Government.
How to open a brothel, using a federally government backed loan, employing underage female illegal aliens - AND how to
underreport their income - to cheat the federal government out of tax revenue.

The House, Senate, Obama could NOT distance themselves fast enough and BURY this story. What a disaster.

And NOT just ONE rouge office, but FOUR out of five advised them HOW TO BREAK THE LAW MULTIPLE TIMES.

You can come up with all the BS you like LC - it's all on video - it's all in the public record.

Funny how this little news organization beats the Columbia, Northwestern, Ivy League Journalism majors, with their Pulitzer Prizes to the truth.
I doubt they have journalism degrees - really tough to write a story, where all you have to do is tape the dialog, transcribe it, and release it to the public.
You go to the Ivy League for that??

This little news project, Project Veritas took down ACORN - and maybe they'll take down illegal voting in Minneapolis.

After all - Ilhan Omar "allegedly" married her brother, "allegedly" stole government funds via student loans, "allegedly" paid her boyfriend $150K for little/no work.  IS any of that true??  I have no idea - it's doesn't look great.

But NOW her campaign workers are caught on VIDEO breaking Minnesota Election Law.

I really don't care if you believe it or not.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 04:13:37 PM
Im noticing a trend. The lefty controlled MSM smear their opponents. Liberal advocates use MSM propaganda to verify discrediting those opponents. Simple enough, eh?

Yup, LC and the LEFT need to destroy someone like Project Veritas - as these videos wreak havoc on the Socialist/Progressive movement.
These little videos totally destroyed ACORN, President Obama's beloved community organizing group. Once the fraud was exposed,
ACORN efforts in voter registration and Census counting were forever tainted. Hence, the Federal Government defunded ACORN immediately.
And they did it on a huge bi-partisan basis.

So, yes, you see the trend.  Here again, Project Veritas pops up for the 4th or 5th time, with videos on Voter Fraud - this time against
a beloved Squad member. So Veritas needs to be destroyed. IMMEADIATELY. Wikipedia has been trying to get these guys for 10 years now.

Veritas is still around.... ACORN?  Not a peep from the Democratic Party or the LEFT about them quietly disappearing. Very bad for President Obama.
Maybe they'll take down Omar's Cash-for-Votes Scheme, while CNN/MSNBC sit quietly by..

So, yes, you are seeing the trend in action.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 28, 2020, 04:33:43 PM
“Criminal enterprise”

“No evidence of criminal wrongdoing”

You got me again, Cubs!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 04:52:24 PM
More voter fraud coming???

Nothing to see here....although it sounds a lot like what is happening in Minneapolis Voter Fraud:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/28/bidens-texas-political-director-implicated-in-massive-mail-in-ballot-harvesting-scheme-in-harris-county/

A Biden Campaign operative in Texas is attempting to rig the 2020 election with the help of others in a massive ballot harvesting scheme, according to two private investigators who testified under oath that they have “video evidence, documentation and witnesses” to prove it. With the help of mass mail-in ballots, the illegal ballot harvesting operation could harvest 700,000 ballots, one Harris County Democrat operative allegedly bragged.

In his testimony, Aguirre stated that he is a retired captain with the Houston Police Department and now a private investigator.

“I am currently involved in an investigation related to a wide-ranging and fraudulent ballot harvesting scheme in Harris County intended to rig the elections in the Houston/Harris County area. This scheme involves voter fraud on a massive scale,” he stated.

Private investigator Charles F. Marler stated in his testimony that he formerly worked for the FBI where he was an Investigative Specialist “conducting undercover operations on espionage and terrorist targets.”

Marler stated that former Harris County Clerk Diane Troutman was so concerned about being implicated in the fraud, she resigned earlier this year, citing “person health reasons.”
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 06:10:36 PM
Cubsfan, thanks for posting the link. Now who exactly has been charged with what in this situation? I think the answer is nobody. Please correct me if i am wrong. Now i get that two good samaritans have all the evidence and all that and those Democrat b-stards should be strung up in a tree. But maybe, just maybe this is not such an air tight case. Might want to just sssslllooowwww down the posse just a little.

So lots of accusations. Looks like lots of POLITICS. Big hat no cattle kind of thing (that is my favourite Texas saying :-)

Enough of the allegations. Show me the real deal... I want some red meat. Show me the charges and the convictions. This is serious stuff and apparently has been going on for many, many years. And people who do it get thrown in jail for a long time (election fraud is serious shit in the US). SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Regardless, this is TEXAS. Is Trump worried he is going to lose Texas? If so, he is in deep, deep shit!

PS: and i love that word ‘operative’; makes it sound even more like cloak and dagger. Who needs to read fiction when stuff like this is published in the daily paper!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 06:50:23 PM
Viking - I posted plenty already - choose your poison already. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

If I post something 2 years old - not good enough for you - too old, you say.

If I post something recent - ah ha! No Conviction!

Don't be so transparent. Just believe what you want to believe Viking. I don't really care!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 07:10:05 PM
Viking - I posted plenty already - choose your poison already. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

If I post something 2 years old - not good enough for you - too old, you say.

If I post something recent - ah ha! No Conviction!

Don't be so transparent. Just believe what you want to believe Viking. I don't really care!

Cubs. Thanks for starting to post links when you comment. It really does help.

The US is about to have a Presidential election. Serious stuff. The topic was mail in ballot fraud in the Presidential election. All i asked for was some examples of where someone was actually convicted of tampering with ballots in a Presidential election.

In the 2016 election 25% of all ballots cast were vote by mail. So tens of millions. If mail in fraud was an issue in 2016 both parties had lots of time to identify it and get the perpetrators thrown in jail.

How many ballots were proven to be fraudulent from the 2016 election? A minuscule number. From many different academic studies. I posted the links to all this in an earlier post but maybe you didn’t see it.

I want to believe you. But it is going to take more than a story that reads like a Tin Tin comic book (just don’t tell me that the two detectives wear bowler hats or i am going to bust my gut laughing).
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 28, 2020, 07:29:57 PM
^ Sure, sure, sure

When 17% of Nevada's ballots (224,000) are undeliverable, out of 1,300,00 - that probably is not an indication of a problem....right?
These ballots were not requested by the voter. Now the door is wide open for fraud. Election integrity? Possibly right out the window.
But what the heck, let's give it a shot and be Progressive..

Some things are just common sense. But back to your academic studies anyway...

IF I WANT a mail-in ballot - I will request one.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on September 28, 2020, 07:58:49 PM
Ya know most other democratic countries in the world can figure out how to hold an election with absentee voting.
Don't ya think the US could figure it out?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 28, 2020, 11:21:22 PM
^ Sure, sure, sure

When 17% of Nevada's ballots (224,000) are undeliverable, out of 1,300,00 - that probably is not an indication of a problem....right?
These ballots were not requested by the voter. Now the door is wide open for fraud. Election integrity? Possibly right out the window.
But what the heck, let's give it a shot and be Progressive..

Some things are just common sense. But back to your academic studies anyway...

IF I WANT a mail-in ballot - I will request one.

Cubs, i took a quick look into what happened/is happening in Nevada.
1.) You can vote in Nevada in person or by mail in ballot.
2.) Some voters moved and did not update their voter registration
3.) As a result of 2.) some mail in ballots were never delivered

Yes, we have a problem. People need to be reminded that if they move they need to update their voter registration if they want a mail in ballot. Education is sometimes a very good thing (personally i hate it if i learn anything new but dang it it keeps on happening!).

Fortunately, there is a simple solution in Nevada: people can vote in person. And it is the law (to vote either in advance or in person on election day). Problem solved! Phew. You can sleep well tonight. You are welcome :-)

A Nevada county mailed out 1.3 million ballots for its primary election but 1 in 5 were never delivered
- https://www.businessinsider.com/clark-county-nevada-las-vegas-mail-in-primary-ballots-undeliverable-2020-8

“Following guidance from state authorities, the county mailed ballots to all of its 1.3 million registered voters in the Las Vegas area, but 223,000 were never delivered, according to a new report authored by the conservative nonprofit Public Interest Legal Foundation and confirmed by the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Although the report attributed the undeliverable ballots to residents having moved without updating their voter registration, the problem alludes to ones other counties could face if they pursue mail-only voting in the November presidential election.“

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Trump’s radical lawsuit against Nevada’s vote-by-mail law, explained
https://www.vox.com/2020/8/6/21355564/trump-nevada-vote-by-mail-ab4-cegavske-sisolak-supreme-court

“Among other things, the new law (known as AB4) provides that registered Nevada voters will automatically receive a ballot in the mail, a common practice in Western states. It also requires the state to provide a minimum number of polling places for in-person voters, both on Election Day and for early voting.“
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 29, 2020, 05:51:40 AM
Here's another video for you to see the Cash for Votes Scheme being run in Minneapolis.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/28/project-veritas-releases-another-ilhan-omar-video-showing-cash-for-votes-harvesting-scheme/

The video then shows the ballot harvester instructing the voter on how to fill out the form, and then offering him money for his pocket.

On screen on the video released by Project Veritas, text appears and then says that another ballot harvester on another tape admitted to getting $800 for his ballot. Then the video plays the tape of a person identified as Osman Ali Dahquane saying he does not care if it is “illegal,” and claiming to have gotten $800 for his ballot.

The tape has another woman who is identified as a former organizer for Omar who says “she [Omar] is the one who came up with all of this.”




Trigger Warning#1:   As of yet, there have been NO convictions. All are Innocent until Proven Guilty
Trigger Warning#2:   This "journalist" did NOT graduate from NYU, BU, Northwestern or an Ivy League School
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 29, 2020, 07:09:01 AM
Thanks for the trigger warnings, cubs, I was almost quite alarmed!  ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on September 29, 2020, 11:40:02 AM
Thanks for the trigger warnings, cubs, I was almost quite alarmed!  ;D

I got to say LC, you still have a wicked sense of humor.
You are the closest thing I know to the insult dog when it comes to trump supporters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7B56xok9M
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on September 29, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
It's 2020's motto: Gotta laugh so you don't cry
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on September 30, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
Ok, ok, so it is becoming increasingly clear that Trump is not going to leave office after the election. Even if Joe Biden wins enough votes in the electoral college. Because you know... fraud... lot’s of it... big, big fraud. What could be the possible motivation for this bizarre comments the past 6 or so weeks?

Because he knows he will be wearing striped pyjamas when he is an ordinary citizen. Incentives are a powerful force (as investors we understand this all too well). What would a man do to stay out of jail? Move heaven and earth is my guess...

Trump is right to panic
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/30/trump-is-right-panic/

“Every incumbent president wants to win reelection. It is an admission of failure if voters send you home after four years. A first-class narcissist such as Trump would understandably find this psychologically wounding and, therefore, refuse to accept the result. But Trump also has legitimate fear that bad things are going to happen to him once he leaves office.”
.....
“Perhaps... Trump is becoming more frantic and unhinged by the day. He is staring not only at a possible landslide defeat, but potentially also economic ruin and criminal prosecution. (And his kids’ inheritance may be going down the drain as well.) Certainly Trump’s presidency has been a four-year nightmare for the country, but for Trump, it may turn out to be devastating and permanent.“

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Bottom line is if you chose to play fast and loose with the tax code bad things can happen to you. As Clinton learned the hard way, once the dogs are released, they don’t stop until they find red meat. But hey, as we also learned with Clinton, that is just how the game of politics is played in the US. It is a blood sport. Trump is now hearing the barking and his pulse is beating just a little quicker these days...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 01:02:16 PM
Given Trump’s support of right wing extremist groups i though it would be good to learn a little bit more.

‘Support’ you might ask? Well if you say something to a group on national television and that group takes your comments as an endorsement then i think we can safely call that support. Especially if it has happened before.

So how did Proud Boys take Trump’s comments? From the LA Times article below: After Tuesday’s debate, Biggs (Proud Boys organizer) wrote on the Parler social media platform that “President Trump told the Proud Boys to stand by because someone needs to deal with antifa ... well sir! we’re ready!!”

Now the problem for the US is you can’t unring that bell. Holy ding-dong Batman!

(And what do you think other right wing extremist groups are thinking right now? How do you think recruiting has been going since the debate?)

But there is a little more to this story...

Who told Proud Boys that someone needs to deal with antifa (in the quote above)? Why that very same President Trump :-) What a freaking coincidence. What are the chances of that? Completely random. One-in-million. Like, quick, go buy a lottery ticket kind of lucky coincidence.

Why is this a problem for the US?

Groups like Proud Boys think they are in the business of law enforcement. Neutral. There to keep order. Enforce the law. With guns. Except for one tiny problem... they actually aren’t law enforcement. No really, they aren’t. Positive. 100% True. NOT fake news. They have no legitimacy.

Now this story gets even more interesting. Trump is looking for volunteers to show up at polling stations and make sure it is a free and fair election. (You know... the Democrats are going to destroy the country and all that apocalyptic stuff...).

Now where could Trump find a bunch of upstanding people who trust the President, are patriots, believe in law and order and can make sure there is a free and fair election at all these polling booths on election day? It feels like the answer is right in front of me... but i can’t quite put my finger on it... Who could he get? What a head scratcher! By brain hurts... gotta stop trying to think so hard.

But don’t worry: Trump still has 5 more weeks to figure it out :-)

PS: guns and polling booths? Kind of goes together like ice cream and apple pie :-)

Proud Boys organizer, celebrating Trump endorsement, says group will keep battling left-wing activists
- https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-30/proud-boys-joe-biggs-portland

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For a little more background PBS last night did a 12 minute segment. If you want to avoid a re-hash of the debate start watching at the 3:40 mark.

What Trump’s response to white supremacist groups means
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/what-trumps-response-to-white-supremacist-groups-means



Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
And some say there is no comparrissons to Germany in the 1930's.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 02:28:57 PM
And some say there is no comparrissons to Germany in the 1930's.

My god you live with your head buried in the sand....

You just compared Trump to a serial killer on another thread....

You’re completely delusional.

Attached is the real comparison to communists. The only reason groups like the Proud Boys exist and are growing is because you have a bunch of fascists running around burning down private businesses, calling for the death of police officers, whites, and anyone who doesn’t agree with their extreme views. It’s a group (actually an organization) that is calling for the abolishment of American principles and western society. And they are all being supported by the left politicians. Militia groups have existed under every president for the past 50 years. The more extreme the left gets the more blatant and radical the extreme neoconservatives will get.



Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 01, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Quote
The only reason groups like the Proud Boys exist and are growing is because you have a bunch of fascists running around...

So the proud boys are the actual anti-fascists? Things are becoming clearer... The circle is closing in on itself:

Proud boys = Antifa
Trump = Biden
Black = White
Castanza = Kramer?  ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
Quote
The only reason groups like the Proud Boys exist and are growing is because you have a bunch of fascists running around...

So the proud boys are the actual anti-fascists? Things are becoming clearer... The circle is closing in on itself:

Proud boys = Antifa
Trump = Biden
Black = White
Castanza = Kramer?  ;D

I think they both are in their own way. That’s my point, extremism feeds extremism and then end results are not going to be pretty. But so far the only ones going around and harassing individuals to join them is BLM and Antifa. Also, only one side of the aisle is in favor of banning speech, banning speakers, shouting down individuals , creating “safe spaces”, creating new modern segregation policies, removing and rewriting history.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 02:49:18 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 01, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Are you referring to the Black Panthers? They are a left wing extremist group, by the way, and this already happened.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
And some say there is no comparrissons to Germany in the 1930's.

My god you live with your head buried in the sand....

You just compared Trump to a serial killer on another thread....

You’re completely delusional.


1. Re Dahmer, Lighten up dude, you need to develop a sense of humor.

2. What do you actually know about Germany in the 1930's? Very little by your remark. 
I might suggest that if you don't understand the similarities, there is a book you might read. It is called "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer. You might be surprised at what you find out. I am not saying Trump is Hitler, but there are certain parallels that might suprise you.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 01, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
I think they both are in their own way. That’s my point, extremism feeds extremism and then end results are not going to be pretty. But so far the only ones going around and harassing individuals to join them is BLM and Antifa. Also, only one side of the aisle is in favor of banning speech, banning speakers, shouting down individuals , creating “safe spaces”, creating new modern segregation policies, removing and rewriting history.

Well I won't continue the he-said, she-said. But it's the classic tension between progressive and conservative forces within society.

More extreme perhaps because there are less and less vocal moderates.
A hollowing-out of the "moderate class" if you will :D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
I think they both are in their own way. That’s my point, extremism feeds extremism and then end results are not going to be pretty. But so far the only ones going around and harassing individuals to join them is BLM and Antifa. Also, only one side of the aisle is in favor of banning speech, banning speakers, shouting down individuals , creating “safe spaces”, creating new modern segregation policies, removing and rewriting history.

Well I won't continue the he-said, she-said. But it's the classic tension between progressive and conservative forces within society.

More extreme perhaps because there are less and less vocal moderates.
A hollowing-out of the "moderate class" if you will :D

I think it’s sad tbh. How does American society escape the spiral?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 03:01:40 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.

The oldest trick in the book is to incite riots disguised as a different faction to cause discredit and to confuse. Again, read the book I recommended.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 03:03:22 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.

The oldest trick in the book is to incite riots disguised as a different faction to cause discredit and to confuse. Again, read the book I recommended.

I don’t agree with any of these groups....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 03:07:31 PM

"I don’t agree with any of these groups...."


Nor do most people, just don't be surprised if some of the groups inciting rioting are not the groups you might think they are.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 03:20:08 PM

"I don’t agree with any of these groups...."


Nor do most people, just don't be surprised if some of the groups inciting rioting are not the groups you might think they are.

Are you suggesting that antifa and BLM have nothing to do with rioting and looting?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
No I am not. But it is a well known trick and easily done for one group to cause trouble in such a way as it gets blamed on the other side. After all it is not like they all wear uniforms. 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 03:28:48 PM
No I am not. But it is a well known trick and easily done for one group to cause trouble in such a way as it gets blamed on the other side. After all it is not like they all wear uniforms.

ANTIFA literally has uniforms and flags they wear. Don’t the Proud Boys wear Hawaiian shirts or something ridiculous?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 01, 2020, 03:34:32 PM

I think it’s sad tbh. How does American society escape the spiral?

Hell if I know.

In my perspective income/wealth inequality a big issue that winds up impacting lots of these issues "downstream". Life is easier when you can throw money at problems.

But then again it's all entwined...

Education impacts how much you can earn.
Health impacts how long you can work.
Money impacts your quality of healthcare.
Education impacts the health decisions you make.

But what drives all these things? Things like character and ethics, some of which is taught and some of which is learned...

Personally I don't think there is an "answer". It's like dealing with your own biases. Trying to "fix" them is a fools errand - the best we can do is be aware of them, be aware of the problems in society, and muddle along trying our best to do what makes the most sense.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 03:38:35 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Are you referring to the Black Panthers? They are a left wing extremist group, by the way, and this already happened.

Are the Black Panthers going to be showing up at election polls in November? (Probably shouldn't say that... breaking news on Breitbart).
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 01, 2020, 03:44:15 PM
Who knows. They won't stop me from voting though. People claiming "oppression" in todays society are losers. Look at what oppression meant in past generations. Nows it's basically, "AHH! theres people outside the voting station! AHH"
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on October 01, 2020, 03:46:20 PM
Who knows. They won't stop me from voting though. People claiming "oppression" in todays society are losers. Look at what oppression meant in past generations. Nows it's basically, "AHH! theres people outside the voting station! AHH"

Oppression means - I want what you got and I don't want to work for it.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 03:48:15 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.

Castanza, thanks for answering my question. Interesting.

Regarding your question, at this point in time I really have no idea. Just like 4 hours ago I knew little about 'right wing extremism' in the US or the group Poor Boys.

Are you referencing a specific city or region? Or national? If would be helpful if you could provide a few more crumbs... like provide some links to get me started :-)

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Who knows. They won't stop me from voting though. People claiming "oppression" in todays society are losers. Look at what oppression meant in past generations. Nows it's basically, "AHH! theres people outside the voting station! AHH"

Oppression means - I want what you got and I don't want to work for it.

Voter oppression. Now we are really getting somewhere in a discussion thread titled "US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day"

Losers? Ouch! I can think of a lot of words to describe voter suppression but that is definitely not one of them. Time to change that motto to "one man - no vote". As in they lose(r) their vote? 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 04:11:03 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.

Castanza, thanks for answering my question. Interesting.

Regarding your question, at this point in time I really have no idea. Just like 4 hours ago I knew little about 'right wing extremism' in the US or the group Poor Boys.

Are you referencing a specific city or region? Or national? If would be helpful if you could provide a few more crumbs... like provide some links to get me started :-)

How about Minnesota and Portland

Also the Proud Boys are not just an American group. According to their wiki they are quite prevelant in UK, Canada, Ireland. The guy who founded the group is a Canadian with dual citizenship in the UK.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 01, 2020, 04:22:45 PM
Who knows. They won't stop me from voting though. People claiming "oppression" in todays society are losers. Look at what oppression meant in past generations. Nows it's basically, "AHH! theres people outside the voting station! AHH"

Oppression means - I want what you got and I don't want to work for it.

Voter oppression. Now we are really getting somewhere in a discussion thread titled "US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day"

Losers? Ouch! I can think of a lot of words to describe voter suppression but that is definitely not one of them. Time to change that motto to "one man - no vote". As in they lose(r) their vote?

I pretty much agree with what Texas states:

Texans must either be 65 years or older, have a significant disability or be in another location on election day to qualify for an absentee ballot.


If you value your vote, get off your ass. Stop making excuses.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on October 01, 2020, 04:26:50 PM
^ Shit, I had no idea - I knew I loved Texas!

No lefties or crybabies allowed.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 04:35:12 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.

Castanza, thanks for answering my question. Interesting.

Regarding your question, at this point in time I really have no idea. Just like 4 hours ago I knew little about 'right wing extremism' in the US or the group Poor Boys.

Are you referencing a specific city or region? Or national? If would be helpful if you could provide a few more crumbs... like provide some links to get me started :-)

How about Minnesota and Portland

Also the Proud Boys are not just an American group. According to their wiki they are quite prevelant in UK, Canada, Ireland. The guy who founded the group is a Canadian with dual citizenship in the UK.

OK. I'll get back to you tomorrow :-)

Thanks for colour on Proud Boys. I was surprised to learn about their make-up - apparently not just a bunch of white dudes.

"Joanna Mendelson, associate director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said the Proud Boys is an unconventional far-right faction, bragging of a membership representing a range of ethnic backgrounds.

“Proud Boys have carved out this niche for themselves as both this right-wing fight club and a volunteer security force for the GOP,” she said. “And they purposely organize and act in a manner that will all but guarantee violence.”

- https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-30/proud-boys-joe-biggs-portland
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Who knows. They won't stop me from voting though. People claiming "oppression" in todays society are losers. Look at what oppression meant in past generations. Nows it's basically, "AHH! theres people outside the voting station! AHH"

Oppression means - I want what you got and I don't want to work for it.

Voter oppression. Now we are really getting somewhere in a discussion thread titled "US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day"

Losers? Ouch! I can think of a lot of words to describe voter suppression but that is definitely not one of them. Time to change that motto to "one man - no vote". As in they lose(r) their vote?

I pretty much agree with what Texas states:

Texans must either be 65 years or older, have a significant disability or be in another location on election day to qualify for an absentee ballot.


If you value your vote, get off your ass. Stop making excuses.

Not sure I get your point. Mail in Ballot IS one way to vote in all states. (Or did I missing something.) 25% of the US population did it very successfully in 2018. (But hey maybe this mail-in vote thing is what is causing that obeisty problem in the US :-) ... thought I would throw Republicans strategists a life-line).   

Now I know, I know... the US constitution very clearly states: one man - one vote in person.

Now on the bitching front... I hear you! You need to listen to this guy named Donald Trump. He won't shut up about mail in voting. look him up on U-tube (the guy in the orange and $70,000 hair).
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We have an election in my province in October. I will be getting off my ass. And voting by mail. (As I am not expecting the virus to disappear. And after serious consideration I also decided no bleach injections).
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 05:13:06 PM
Castanza, so i take it that you are of the opinion that there is zero chance that right wing extremist groups will show up at some polling booths on election day - not to vote but to help ensure a safe and fair election?

Ask yourself this. Why do you think right wing extremist groups feel the need to show up at polling stations to “protect them”?

I would say there is a high probability that we see both right wing and left wing groups show up at polling stations.

I answered your question now answer mine.

Which group(s) is responsible for rioting and looting?

Please rank groups in order of influence and specify if one group enticed another group.

Castanza, thanks for answering my question. Interesting.

Regarding your question, at this point in time I really have no idea. Just like 4 hours ago I knew little about 'right wing extremism' in the US or the group Poor Boys.

Are you referencing a specific city or region? Or national? If would be helpful if you could provide a few more crumbs... like provide some links to get me started :-)

How about Minnesota and Portland

Also the Proud Boys are not just an American group. According to their wiki they are quite prevelant in UK, Canada, Ireland. The guy who founded the group is a Canadian with dual citizenship in the UK.

OK. I'll get back to you tomorrow :-)

Thanks for colour on Proud Boys. I was surprised to learn about their make-up - apparently not just a bunch of white dudes.

"Joanna Mendelson, associate director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said the Proud Boys is an unconventional far-right faction, bragging of a membership representing a range of ethnic backgrounds.

“Proud Boys have carved out this niche for themselves as both this right-wing fight club and a volunteer security force for the GOP,” she said. “And they purposely organize and act in a manner that will all but guarantee violence.”

- https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-30/proud-boys-joe-biggs-portland

https://youtu.be/frVdO2E5x4Y

Joe Rogan has done a few interviews with the guy who founded Proud Boys before it was a group. Also did a follow up interview last year.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 01, 2020, 05:16:48 PM
There is vitally zero evidence metal detectors are needed at stadiums or schools. There was largely, zero evidence they were needed at airports until one fateful day. If Democracy is as sacred as people claim, clinging to the ignorance of "well it hasn't happened in the past" is an awful way to defend its future. Especially as the potential for abuse becomes much greater. You show up in person, and its very hard to screw around. Even without screwing around, the USPS loses an unacceptable % of packages as it is. This alone should be of concern to folks. Let alone the prospects of people actively seeking to abuse the system. How many poor folks would sell their ballot for $25? At least if they get paid to go in and vote, they have to do something. Rather than take a $20 from Illon Omar's buddy and fork over the mail....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on October 01, 2020, 05:20:44 PM
There is vitally zero evidence metal detectors are needed at stadiums or schools. There was largely, zero evidence they were needed at airports until one fateful day. If Democracy is as sacred as people claim, clinging to the ignorance of "well it hasn't happened in the past" is an awful way to defend its future. Especially as the potential for abuse becomes much greater. You show up in person, and its very hard to screw around. Even without screwing around, the USPS loses an unacceptable % of packages as it is. This alone should be of concern to folks. Let alone the prospects of people actively seeking to abuse the system. How many poor folks would sell their ballot for $25? At least if they get paid to go in and vote, they have to do something. Rather than take a $20 from Illon Omar's buddy and fork over the mail....

The going rate for an Ilhan Omar vote is $100-$200.  No reason to show up and vote, when Omar's ballot harvesting scheme pays so well!

You have to love that "mail in voting"!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 05:26:49 PM
There is vitally zero evidence metal detectors are needed at stadiums or schools. There was largely, zero evidence they were needed at airports until one fateful day. If Democracy is as sacred as people claim, clinging to the ignorance of "well it hasn't happened in the past" is an awful way to defend its future. Especially as the potential for abuse becomes much greater. You show up in person, and its very hard to screw around. Even without screwing around, the USPS loses an unacceptable % of packages as it is. This alone should be of concern to folks. Let alone the prospects of people actively seeking to abuse the system. How many poor folks would sell their ballot for $25? At least if they get paid to go in and vote, they have to do something. Rather than take a $20 from Illon Omar's buddy and fork over the mail....

The going rate for an Ilhan Omar vote is $100-$200.  No reason to show up and vote, when Omar's ballot harvesting scheme pays so well!

You have to love that "mail in voting"!

I can understand that mail in voting may not work in third world countries. But many first world countries have mail in votes - Canada for example, right next door. Is this just one other symptom suggesting the US is no longer a first world country?

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on October 01, 2020, 05:56:57 PM
Win an "Assault Rifle" from the Proud Boys USA

https://www.theproudboys.org/2A/

Stand down and stand by.

Ya can't make this stuff up!

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: doc75 on October 01, 2020, 05:58:30 PM
What's the prevailing theory on why vote harvesting schemes would be more beneficial to Democrats than Republicans?  That seems to be the strong implication but I can't imagine why there would be a meaningful net effect.  Political operatives on both sides would kill their grandmothers for votes.  Or is this just a presumption because, ya know, "the left" is evil or whatever?

This is a serious question.  I get that more democratic voters than republican are expected to vote by mail, but that's a different thing.  I'm talking about vote harvesting in particular.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 01, 2020, 06:12:09 PM
Who knows. They won't stop me from voting though. People claiming "oppression" in todays society are losers. Look at what oppression meant in past generations. Nows it's basically, "AHH! theres people outside the voting station! AHH"

Oppression means - I want what you got and I don't want to work for it.

Voter oppression. Now we are really getting somewhere in a discussion thread titled "US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day"

Losers? Ouch! I can think of a lot of words to describe voter suppression but that is definitely not one of them. Time to change that motto to "one man - no vote". As in they lose(r) their vote?

I pretty much agree with what Texas states:

Texans must either be 65 years or older, have a significant disability or be in another location on election day to qualify for an absentee ballot.


If you value your vote, get off your ass. Stop making excuses.

F***** clueless.

I went from waiting 4 hours in line in the freezing cold (NYC) to filling out a ballot at home, driving 3 minutes and handing it in.

Anyone who spews crap like Greg just did is afraid of democracy. Those who value democracy want every citizen to vote, which means making it safe and convenient.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2020, 06:31:00 PM
There is vitally zero evidence metal detectors are needed at stadiums or schools. There was largely, zero evidence they were needed at airports until one fateful day. If Democracy is as sacred as people claim, clinging to the ignorance of "well it hasn't happened in the past" is an awful way to defend its future. Especially as the potential for abuse becomes much greater. You show up in person, and its very hard to screw around. Even without screwing around, the USPS loses an unacceptable % of packages as it is. This alone should be of concern to folks. Let alone the prospects of people actively seeking to abuse the system. How many poor folks would sell their ballot for $25? At least if they get paid to go in and vote, they have to do something. Rather than take a $20 from Illon Omar's buddy and fork over the mail....

The going rate for an Ilhan Omar vote is $100-$200.  No reason to show up and vote, when Omar's ballot harvesting scheme pays so well!

You have to love that "mail in voting"!

I can understand that mail in voting may not work in third world countries. But many first world countries have mail in votes - Canada for example, right next door. Is this just one other symptom suggesting the US is no longer a first world country?

To make sure the upcoming Presidential election is free and fair there is a simple solution... send in Canadian observers. (This sort of thing happens all the time in lots of countries that are having a tough time.)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 01, 2020, 07:02:20 PM
We have this ridiculous obsession with knowing the winner immediately. If there are so many concerns about fraud, why not wait a few weeks and audit the results.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 03, 2020, 12:59:49 PM
The big question before Friday was what impact would the first debate have on the election. Especially in the battle ground states, with two largest being Pennsylvania and Florida. It always takes a couple of days to start to get a handle.

It is not looking good for Trump. However, Biden needs to build his lead further, particularly in Florida. It is normal for the winner of the debate to get a small bump in the weeks afterwards.

My guess is if Biden wins Pennsylvania he will likely win the election. If Biden also wins Florida, it will be a landslide win for the Democrats. Trump likely needs to win both states to be re-elected.

Poll Finds Voters in Two Crucial States Repelled by Trump’s Debate Behavior
Biden is ahead by seven points in Pennsylvania and five points in Florida, according to the Times/Siena survey (margin of error is +/- 4%)

- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/upshot/polls-election-florida-pennsylvania.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

The debates long loomed as one of the president’s best opportunities to reshape the race in his favor. He has trailed in Pennsylvania and Florida from the outset of the campaign, and he does not have many credible paths to the presidency without winning at least one of the two — and probably both.

Instead, a mere 21 percent of likely voters across the two pivotal states said Mr. Trump won the debate Tuesday. It leaves the president at a significant and even daunting disadvantage with a month until Election Day.

PS: 37% thought Biden won
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 03, 2020, 02:24:34 PM
The big question before Friday was what impact would the first debate have on the election. Especially in the battle ground states, with two largest being Pennsylvania and Florida. It always takes a couple of days to start to get a handle.

It is not looking good for Trump. However, Biden needs to build his lead further, particularly in Florida. It is normal for the winner of the debate to get a small bump in the weeks afterwards.

My guess is if Biden wins Pennsylvania he will likely win the election. If Biden also wins Florida, it will be a landslide win for the Democrats. Trump likely needs to win both states to be re-elected.

Poll Finds Voters in Two Crucial States Repelled by Trump’s Debate Behavior
Biden is ahead by seven points in Pennsylvania and five points in Florida, according to the Times/Siena survey (margin of error is +/- 4%)

- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/upshot/polls-election-florida-pennsylvania.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

The debates long loomed as one of the president’s best opportunities to reshape the race in his favor. He has trailed in Pennsylvania and Florida from the outset of the campaign, and he does not have many credible paths to the presidency without winning at least one of the two — and probably both.

Instead, a mere 21 percent of likely voters across the two pivotal states said Mr. Trump won the debate Tuesday. It leaves the president at a significant and even daunting disadvantage with a month until Election Day.

PS: 37% thought Biden won


Here s another one.

https://www.investors.com/news/joe-biden-lead-over-donald-trump-narrows-after-presidential-debate-ibd-tipp-poll/

You'd think after what occurred in 2016 you guys wouldn't go hook, line, and sinker for the same rhetoric from the same sources, but hey, its your call. I look at stuff like this and think, did they not learn anything? Were they not embarrassed by how sure they were about their news sources and all the "polls" last time? But at the end of the day, its not my problem, so whatever lol.

Biden may very well win in November, but all I can say is that if indeed the same thing happens, it will become nearly impossible not to simply look at these same people/sources and just laugh. Not even dignify them with a response. You dont get to be wrong like you were in 2016, learn nothing, and then do the exact same thing again in 2020, and be wrong again.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Da
Post by: Viking on October 03, 2020, 06:17:18 PM
Greg, i agree that polls can sometimes be very inaccurate. 2016 was a mess but i think 2018 was better.

My favourite two sites to get an update on polling are:
1.) Cook Political Report - https://cookpolitical.com/
- https://cookpolitical.com/sites/default/files/2020-09/EC%20Ratings.092920.2.pdf?
2.) fivethirtyeight - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

I like how Fivethirtyeight frames things: currently Biden has 80% and Trump 20% chance of winning.
- Trump wins 1 in 5 elections. So i would not be shocked if he wins.
- They also say there is a 10% chance Trump wins the popular vote.

Lower probability events sometimes happen :-)

The big thing i am watching with polling is the trend. Which campaign, if any, has the momentum. That is the strange thing about this election so far... not much change in trend over the past couple of months. If Trump can pick up a couple of points over the next month that could get him a second term. If things break the other way and Democrats pick up a couple of points they could win in a landslide.

Polling is an inexact science and that is why they carry large margins of error. Like not being able to capture how well are the two parties are performing at the local level... particularly in the battleground states. On that front, below is what looks to be pretty good news for Trump. So when you weave it all together, the polls are interesting but what matters is what happens on election night. Trump is very much in this race and if the Democrats get complacent then they may yet lose again.
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Trump is Losing, but He's Winning Key Voter Registration Battles
- https://cookpolitical.com/index.php/analysis/national/national-politics/trump-losing-hes-winning-key-voter-registration-battles

In the last few weeks, Joe Biden has led President Donald Trump by a fairly consistent 8-point average in national polls and has maintained leads in more than enough battleground states to win the Electoral College, including Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — all states Trump won in 2016.

But there are signs Trump's ground operation is paying off when it comes to registering new voters in key states, an advantage that could become important if the race tightens before Nov. 3

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 03, 2020, 07:06:02 PM
538 had Clinton at a huge advantage back in 16.  I don't value their opinion.

The polls do matter. I'm sure the polls were in Clinton's favor as well but yes it's concerning. I think a lot of people are afraid to reveal their political opinion, especially if you are right wing. Some mob might show up, its not good.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cherzeca on October 03, 2020, 07:32:24 PM
2016 taught us that only tracking polls are close to being accurate, and the only ones to use a tracking poll are LA Times and Rasmussen.  538 is the worst.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 03, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
Stuff like the liberal favorites, CNN and NYT mean nothing. End of the day, I expect Biden to probably prevail with a similar count to Hillary on the popular vote, but swinging PA, AZ, OH, and carrying the MN, WI, MI area by a marginal amount. It will likely be contested bc of mail in votes, but these idiots showing 6-10% leads have no clue and just put out nonsense with clear bias because, like this "winning" the debate, "leading" a poll, means something to them although its ultimately meaningless. You think your guy won a debate. Cool, lol.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 03, 2020, 08:47:14 PM
Castanza, i told you i would spend some time trying to understand what groups are behind the violence in Portland and Chicago. I am having a hard time finding good information on groups organizing the violence on the left (links would be appreciated :-). There is one group we hear about all the time... Antifa.

Now why would President Trump want to pick on a movement that primarily wants to out neo-Nazi types? That is a real head scratcher...

What is antifa?
From the Washington Post (June 15, 2020)
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/02/antifa-trump-terrorist-group/

Antifa is short for antifascists. It’s pronounced “an-TEE-fuh.”

Think of them as radical anti-racists who want to take matters into their own hands to try to stop white supremacy, said Mark Bray, a historian at Rutgers University and author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook.” The difference between them and a normal opponent of these things is that antifascists don’t trust government or police to efficiently bat down white supremacy and fascism. There’s a suspicion among antifa that police and a capitalist society are actually supportive of these ideals. So from there stems the notion of taking matters into their own hands, which lends an air of militancy to their mission.

There are varying levels of acceptance of violence within the ranks of its supporters. “Within antifa, there are a large number of folks who, while tolerating violence as a weapon, many of them believe it should be a weapon of last resort,” said Brian Levin with the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism. “But a ragged and cacophonous core believe that violence should be the first thing used.”

What are the origins of antifa? They have roots going back a century in Europe, fighting against the rise of fascist leaders there, and they really gained steam during World War II, conducting guerrilla-like campaigns against the regimes of Adolf Hitler in Germany or Benito Mussolini in Italy.

Bray said the modern-day antifa in the United States is inspired by movements in the United Kingdom and Germany in the ’70s and ’80s to battle the far right, in which participants took it upon themselves to police skinheads at soccer matches, for example.

What does antifa look like in America today? Experts say the most common misconception is that the participants are a coherent group. Their numbers are small — though experts say the count is hard to pin down — and their organization is decentralized. In most U.S. cities, they are too small to have a visible presence. When making their most concerted effort to gather from across the nation, they’ve only reached a couple hundred. They spend most of their time not fighting or protesting, but rather tracking what neo-Nazis in their communities are doing and outing them to employees and neighbors.

Bray said antifa, where the movement exists in the United States, tends to be well-organized internally, communicating frequently with each other online about how they will out neo-Nazis. If they travel to oppose a white-supremacist gathering, they’ll often just post it on social media, since the network has not seen a need to operate underground. They don’t have a chain of command. The two hot spots in the United States are in Northern California, like Berkeley and Oakland, and Oregon.

(Antifa is) not a group, anymore than say, Red Sox Nation is, said Levin. LaFree likens antifa more to a movement, like anti-gun or antiabortion. Traditional terrorist organizations plan acts of violence; there is very little evidence antifa does.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on October 04, 2020, 06:57:21 AM
538 had Clinton at a huge advantage back in 16.

I think a lot of people are afraid to reveal their political opinion, especially if you are right wing. Some mob might show up, its not good.

This is the point. A mob might show up, your neighbor might call you a racist, you might lose your job if you show too much enthusiasm, etc.

Everyone knows this. I have lots of friends in tech business. They won't say a damn thing in public.

It's the silent majority - and it will re-elect President Trump.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 04, 2020, 09:28:49 AM
538 had Clinton at a huge advantage back in 16.

I think a lot of people are afraid to reveal their political opinion, especially if you are right wing. Some mob might show up, its not good.

This is the point. A mob might show up, your neighbor might call you a racist, you might lose your job if you show too much enthusiasm, etc.

Everyone knows this. I have lots of friends in tech business. They won't say a damn thing in public.

It's the silent majority - and it will re-elect President Trump.

This is what makes accuracy of polling so difficult. People tell you they are going to vote for one candidate but secretly vote for another.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cherzeca on October 04, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
538 had Clinton at a huge advantage back in 16.

I think a lot of people are afraid to reveal their political opinion, especially if you are right wing. Some mob might show up, its not good.

This is the point. A mob might show up, your neighbor might call you a racist, you might lose your job if you show too much enthusiasm, etc.

Everyone knows this. I have lots of friends in tech business. They won't say a damn thing in public.

It's the silent majority - and it will re-elect President Trump.

This is what makes accuracy of polling so difficult. People tell you they are going to vote for one candidate but secretly vote for another.

or they "forget" to vote.  without data, it seems to me that the ones who are eager to respond/participate in polls are more interested in telling the pollster what they think than actually taking the minimal effort to vote.  if someone called me up to poll me, I would first ask how they got my cellphone number, and then tell them to go pound some sand
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 04, 2020, 02:52:41 PM
In response to the theory on antifa, I call it incomplete.

Yes, of course antifa draws people in with the nazi fighting rhetoric. They do fight Nazis and that I approve of.

What is intentionally ignored is they are also Communists or derivative of.  As such anyone right wing is an opponent.  Their tactic is to label all of their opponents as "nazi".  Proud boys, ICE, police, anyone they see as conservative.

If they are only about fighting Nazis, why are they fighting nightly with police in Portland?  Whatever you think of police reform, they just are not Nazis.

Is Andy Ngo a nazi?  They beat him down really good. He's a conservative, that's all it takes.

Like all left wing causes, antifa uses smoke and mirrors to distort reality and will not openly tell you their true motives.  Its all good though, just spend a little time on social media following them. They reveal all.

They are a communist front pushing for revolution.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 04, 2020, 03:32:39 PM
In response to the theory on antifa, I call it incomplete.

Yes, of course antifa draws people in with the nazi fighting rhetoric. They do fight Nazis and that I approve of.

What is intentionally ignored is they are also Communists or derivative of.  As such anyone right wing is an opponent.  Their tactic is to label all of their opponents as "nazi".  Proud boys, ICE, police, anyone they see as conservative.

If they are only about fighting Nazis, why are they fighting nightly with police in Portland?  Whatever you think of police reform, they just are not Nazis.

Is Andy Ngo a nazi?  They beat him down really good. He's a conservative, that's all it takes.

Like all left wing causes, antifa uses smoke and mirrors to distort reality and will not openly tell you their true motives.  Its all good though, just spend a little time on social media following them. They reveal all.

They are a communist front pushing for revolution.

You might want to re-read the article i posted on them again because it contains some information that might help you better understand who/what they are. Now if you have already made up your mind...

(Hint: anti-racist is a key word.)

What is a ‘communist’ anyways? I see the label being used all the time but am often unclear what it is meant to convey?

So you are saying someone who is anti-racist is a communist? Or perhaps someone who does not trust the government or police to deal with racists/fascist is a communist? Or someone who is unhappy with the current economic system because it perpetuates the problem? Or someone who thinks things will only get better if they act?

Lots of Trumps supporters are distrustful of government. And they feel the current economic system is failing them miserably. And many are very active. Is the US becoming a nation of communists?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on October 04, 2020, 03:33:47 PM
In response to the theory on antifa, I call it incomplete.

Yes, of course antifa draws people in with the nazi fighting rhetoric. They do fight Nazis and that I approve of.

What is intentionally ignored is they are also Communists or derivative of.  As such anyone right wing is an opponent.  Their tactic is to label all of their opponents as "nazi".  Proud boys, ICE, police, anyone they see as conservative.

If they are only about fighting Nazis, why are they fighting nightly with police in Portland?  Whatever you think of police reform, they just are not Nazis.

Is Andy Ngo a nazi?  They beat him down really good. He's a conservative, that's all it takes.

Like all left wing causes, antifa uses smoke and mirrors to distort reality and will not openly tell you their true motives.  Its all good though, just spend a little time on social media following them. They reveal all.

They are a communist front pushing for revolution.

^ Absolutely.  Like all good socialist movements, it starts out mildly with discontent, and then morphs into anarchy and violence.
They don't even try and cover it up anymore.

George Floyd was murdered by a bad cop - so it begins as "police brutality" protests & riots.
Then morphs into full fledge arson, looting, and violence on a nightly basis. Little mention of George Floyd racism.

Now it's a class warfare fight - "we want what you have" - burn down the system and start over.
Trash the constitution, abolish electoral college, pack the courts, abolish ICE, abolish the police, empty the prisons.

They are a communist front pushing the violence and anarchy of the French Revolution.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 04, 2020, 03:42:46 PM
In response to the theory on antifa, I call it incomplete.

Yes, of course antifa draws people in with the nazi fighting rhetoric. They do fight Nazis and that I approve of.

What is intentionally ignored is they are also Communists or derivative of.  As such anyone right wing is an opponent.  Their tactic is to label all of their opponents as "nazi".  Proud boys, ICE, police, anyone they see as conservative.

If they are only about fighting Nazis, why are they fighting nightly with police in Portland?  Whatever you think of police reform, they just are not Nazis.

Is Andy Ngo a nazi?  They beat him down really good. He's a conservative, that's all it takes.

Like all left wing causes, antifa uses smoke and mirrors to distort reality and will not openly tell you their true motives.  Its all good though, just spend a little time on social media following them. They reveal all.

They are a communist front pushing for revolution.

^ Absolutely.  Like all good socialist movements, it starts out mildly with discontent, and then morphs into anarchy and violence.
They don't even try and cover it up anymore.

George Floyd was murdered by a bad cop - so it begins as "police brutality" protests & riots.
Then morphs into full fledge arson, looting, and violence on a nightly basis. Little mention of George Floyd racism.

Now it's a class warfare fight - "we want what you have" - burn down the system and start over.
Trash the constitution, abolish electoral college, pack the courts, abolish ICE, abolish the police, empty the prisons.

They are a communist front pushing the violence and anarchy of the French Revolution.

Cubs... you can step back from the ledge. Antifa only have a couple hundred members (according to the article i posted). No leadership. Regardless, not quite enough to overthrow the US government. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your paranoia.

Now you do know who the FBI identified as most likely to be involved in domestic terrorism in the US? But like i said, don’t let the facts get in the way of what Trump wants his followers to believe.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 04, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
Now Cubs perhaps i am misunderstanding your post. Are you suggesting Trump is like like the king of France? And the US population is rising up right now in response to social and economic hardship and political conflict? Interesting idea...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 04, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Again, if they are fighting Nazis exclusively then why are fighting the police. Not just fighting but throwing Molotov cocktails ,  using fireworks,  hitting them with baseball bats.  Why are they burning down buildings?  What does that have to do with Nazis.

When I saw communist I mean Marxist but they also attract some anarchists and socialists as well.  None of this is a surprise, even the Democrat party has members pushing for communism light. Basic income or guaranteed jobs, free uni, free health care.  Antifa types tend to take it to the next level.

Trump supporters are after smaller, leaner government because they recognize it is inefficient. Its that simple, government can't get anything done.  The antifa types are shooting for more government.  I guess they both recognize issues but have radically different solutions in mind.

You should really reconsider supporting these clowns.  If you guys start backing use of force by militias, however poorly organized they are, then that is just vigilantism. When you turn it on the government its insurrection.  My concern here is that you guys win the election and having publicly declared support for antifa the group and with dens telling LE to stand down, the organization in a able to establish itself more firmly and moves to the next level.   
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 04, 2020, 05:19:38 PM
With all due respect Viking, you say you are a serious conservative and I do recall a period of time here where your commentary was possibly consistent with that. But for the past two years every position you seem to take is anything but. If you dont like Trump, fine. I get that, and thats cool. But there's certain issues that just arent in any way something a conservative supports.

For instance, Mitt Romney has been a huge anti Trumper, but when filling a SC seat came up, he acted in the interest of conservatives. The frauds like the Lincoln Project, a group largely consisting of scorned lovers and people who wanted Trump cabinet jobs and didnt get picked....took to work for the Democrats.

On ANTIFA, their message is pretty clear. They openly use violence and intimidation tactics to promote socialist/bigoted causes. Defending them is a little out there.

Its again like with the Biden supporters. You ask them why they are voting for Biden, and all they can do is talk about Trump. Has the left really created this grand hypnotization of conservatives that allows them to push through any agenda as long as they say the other guy is personally evil? At some point policies(like fundamentals w/ investing) do matter. There isn't much about ANTIFA that will ever create a positive in the world.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on October 04, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
Again, if they are fighting Nazis exclusively then why are fighting the police. Not just fighting but throwing Molotov cocktails ,  using fireworks,  hitting them with baseball bats.  Why are they burning down buildings?  What does that have to do with Nazis.

When I saw communist I mean Marxist but they also attract some anarchists and socialists as well.  None of this is a surprise, even the Democrat party has members pushing for communism light. Basic income or guaranteed jobs, free uni, free health care.  Antifa types tend to take it to the next level.

Trump supporters are after smaller, leaner government because they recognize it is inefficient. Its that simple, government can't get anything done.  The antifa types are shooting for more government.  I guess they both recognize issues but have radically different solutions in mind.

You should really reconsider supporting these clowns.  If you guys start backing use of force by militias, however poorly organized they are, then that is just vigilantism. When you turn it on the government its insurrection.  My concern here is that you guys win the election and having publicly declared support for antifa the group and with dens telling LE to stand down, the organization in a able to establish itself more firmly and moves to the next level.
Your post is so bananas! Nobody is here or out there is backing the use of force of militias besides the US President with winks and nods. Absolutely nobody should be attacking the police with bats! Nobody should be enforcing laws except the government!

The idea that right wing paramilitary organizations like the Proud Boys care about government efficiency is preposterous. They're all about violence. Good luck with that fig leaf!

The idea that government can't get anything done is just a wrong and there are numerous expamples to prove that.

Btw, you have absolutely no idea what communism is like or about. When you say things like free uni or free healthcare is communism ur just out to lunch.

Totally bananas!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 04, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Hold on a second.  Viking was just backing antifa.  Antifa is attacking the police.   If you back antifa and they are attacking police officers then it's simple fact  you are backing anti government militia.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on October 04, 2020, 06:19:20 PM
Yeah, let's hold on.

Maybe I didn't read Viking's posts close enough. But I didn't see where he backs Antifa.

Furthermore there's a difference between some Viking dude and the President of the United States that told a paramilitary organization committed to killing people to stand by.

Still unclear on what you think constitutes communism.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 04, 2020, 07:46:20 PM
Bidens VP is backing them. They have to, these are their voters.  Its not just Viking.

Communism is when the government owns the means of production.

I know you are thinking free uni and free health care are not under that definition. However it's a slippery slope. You then throw in basic income and the tax load starts to get so high, why bother working?   Eventually the economy stalls out and the solution is for government to take over more and more. Whether direct ownership or via fixed pricing the government delves more and more into private sector.  Its complicated and due to the piss poor record of full Marxist governments these guys know not to tip their hand but that's the end game. 

Your statement on government getting things done is an example of what I am talking about.  Once you are there, not a stretch to say let's let government do everything.

In general this whole facade where the left starts citing technical reasons why they aren't Marxist, claiming the right uses it as fear mongering , this is all a disinformation campaign to hide their motives.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 04, 2020, 07:55:37 PM
That post was a great example of Brandolini's law.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 04, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Mephistopheles on October 04, 2020, 09:18:00 PM
It's possible to be a conservative, view Trump as a threat to Democracy, like Amy Barret as a judge, and believe that the winner of the election should fill the SCOTUS seat. These things aren't mutually exclusive
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 04, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Guys, guys, put the guns back in your holsters.

Where did i say that a support Antifa? But i guess what i actually say doesn't matter. What matter is what this person or that person said i said (even if it is not true). And the more people who repeat the truth (which is not what i said) then the more true it becomes. (Not sure, but i think we might be on to something here...)

I try and come at topics that i know nothing about with education and an open mind. I also like to think for myself (i know, i know i am such a lefty). As of yesterday, i knew nothing about Antifa. As of today i know a little. As i learn more my views will grow and evolve.

If someone breaks the law they should be thrown in jail. Kind of obvious but some of you obviously needed to hear that. On the left or the right, in government or otherwise.

Having said that there is this thing called tolerance. I think it is a big, big Christian thing.
- Def: the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on October 04, 2020, 09:46:10 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cherzeca on October 05, 2020, 09:25:51 AM
"Having said that there is this thing called tolerance. I think it is a big, big Christian thing.
- Def: the ability or wil but which doesn't affect me materially."

I try to ignore things that I disagree with when those things don't affect me.  obviously, tax policy affects me.  not being able to shop at a store that just got broken into and looted affects me.  adopting a policy that criminal defendants should be released without cash bail for almost all criminal offenses (including rioting) affects me.

wokes cancelling on twitter doesn't affect me
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 07, 2020, 04:41:59 PM
Well with 26 days until the election and support for Trump actually falling it appears Republicans are starting to really sweat. Trump is becoming a massive liability for Republicans in close races. Trump’s response? He is a hot mess right now, flailing around like a beached whale. Even Jim Cramer is calling the President out for his idiotic stance on masks and social distancing.

Is Democrats winning control of Presidency, Senate and House starting to get priced in? 10 year US bond yield is moving higher.

‘A Republican Party unraveling’: GOP plunged into crisis as Trump abruptly ends economic relief talks, dismisses virus
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-republicans-senate-coronavirus/2020/10/07/6cbfc724-08bb-11eb-9be6-cf25fb429f1a_story.html

“There are cracks and fissures all over the ice,” said Republican consultant Rick Tyler, a Trump critic. “The president spent months ignoring the virus and talking about the economy coming back. But when the president catches the virus and the economy doesn’t come back, what do you do? You try to survive.”
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 07, 2020, 05:35:13 PM
I thought it would be useful to review the 2016 election polling to understand what happened and why. It appears lots of late deciders broke for Trump in 2016. The race with Clinton was also MUCH closer than it is right now with Biden. Trump can still win in 2020. However, polls do have a useful role to play.
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One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right
- https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/315145-one-last-look-2016-polls-actually-got-a-lot-right

Polls are pictures in time, not crystal balls. They look backward, not forward. They can't predict what occurs after they're conducted. When polling shuts down too early, which happened in Wisconsin and other places, it misses the final breaks — and in this topsy-turvy election, it was last-minute movement in a few states that gave Trump his sensational victory.

Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points.

1.) What did the national polls say the week before the election?

“National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.“

2.) What did polls say in key swing states the week before the election?

What gave Trump his electoral victory was not his national voter strength — which he lost by nearly 3 million votes — but his strength in eight swing states, which he won by a little over 1 million votes.

Florida - polls had Trump ahead by three-tenths of a point. He won the state by 1.2 points.
Ohio - last poll gave Trump a 7-point lead, and he carried it by 8.1 points. The average of the three final polls in Pennsylvania - average of the last three polls had Clinton leading by a single point and the last poll taken had Trump ahead by a point. He won the state by seven-tenths of a point.
Michigan- the two final polls had Clinton ahead by an average of only 1.5 points. The later one gave Trump a 2-point lead. He won by two-tenths of a point.
North Carolina - average of the final 4 polls had Trump ahead by five-tenths of a point, although he won by a more robust 3.7 points.
Wisconsin - final 2 polls had Clinton ahead by an average of 7 points, and Trump won the state by eight-tenths of a point. Both polls, however, were completed about a week before the election.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on October 07, 2020, 06:16:31 PM
Talking about sweating Viking, you seem to be doing a lot! Heck of a lot of posting for a calm man. LOL!

And quoting Jim Cramer... You are sweating bullets or losing it???

Not only is Cramer a goof ball, he is also a Democrat.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on October 07, 2020, 07:05:18 PM
The polls in 2016 right before the election gave Trump a 10% chance of winning - he was going to lose in a landslide.
One pollster had him at 20% chance and was pilloried and laughed at..

What short memories we seem to have.

Trump will win in a landslide and the black vote will get him there.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 07, 2020, 10:20:55 PM
Talking about sweating Viking, you seem to be doing a lot! Heck of a lot of posting for a calm man. LOL!

And quoting Jim Cramer... You are sweating bullets or losing it???

Not only is Cramer a goof ball, he is also a Democrat.

Cardboard

Cardboard, as i have said before i am trying to do a little digging into different topics to help me understand the upcoming election and how it may play out. Trump or Biden? Who controls the Senate? Today it was to better understand what the pollsters were actually saying in the days before the election in 2016 and what actually happened election night (and why).

I actually enjoy learnings about this stuff (did a a joint major in business and economics with a minor in political science in University). I try and be pretty transparent and post the links I find helpful. If people find it useful, great. If people want to debate, great. Great way to learn.

Sweating? No. Interested? Absolutely. The planet is watching this US election like no other (and that is not hyperbole).

PS: listening to Cramer today surprised me. I rarely hear business news criticize Trump directly. Interesting...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 10, 2020, 04:51:59 PM
https://www.womenscoalitioninternational.org/news/coral-theill-makes-request-to-senators-to-testify-at-amy-coney-barretts-confirmation-hearing

Claims from an ex-member of Amy Barrett's religious organization/cult (you can make up your own mind on that one).
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 11, 2020, 09:31:23 AM
Another trump supporter gunned down.  The perpetrator was very likely member of the antifa non-organization.

Quote
A private security guard is in custody after a fatal shooting amid dueling demonstrations in downtown Denver, police said Saturday, in the latest deadly violence to unfold at the scene of tense protests.

Right-wing demonstrators had gathered at the city’s civic center for a “Patriot Rally,” as did left-wing activists affiliating themselves with Black Lives Matter and antifa, who said they wanted to “drown out their hate.” Police said Saturday that the suspect is not affiliated with antifa, as some claimed online; local television station 9News identified the person as a guard it hired to accompany an employee covering the events.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/denver1011/
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 11, 2020, 09:42:49 AM
You're clueless. The shooter was private security (pinkerton, in fact) hired by news organizations to protect their reporters. And the entire city is quite somber in the wake of this. Hopefully it provides a cause for reflection on how to keep these protests from boiling over emotionally.

In fact, as I will assume you support the police department and their investigation - why don't you listen and comply with Denver police instruction:

“We don’t want any erroneous information going out, any speculation, because that’s really what hurts us.”

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on October 11, 2020, 11:19:45 AM
For one, its apparent again that protesting is stupid and a waste of time. Two, the shooter, nonetheless hired by a bunch of coward journalists, is basically a trained mercenary/soldier. He will almost certainly not be convicted of anything. If he was shooting, there is definitely more to the story. These guys are cops on steroids. Eager to kill but smarter to only do it when they have a clear out.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 11, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
The shooter was anti-trump, a member of the occupy movement.  Antifa is speculation at this point yes but it sure fits.  Antifa does have a history of violently confronting trump supporters.

If there is a rogue group (let's hope it's just that) trying to silence a political party through violence and murder, that has to be discussed.   

You don't like the story so you just shut it down, come on.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on October 11, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
What is your evidence for any of those claims?

Shutting down discussion?
No, just correcting your baseless accusations.

No free lunch: “he’s antifa!”

Denver PD: “he is a security contractor with no affiliation with antifa”

No free lunch: “you’re shutting down the discussion!”

Try to stop spreading false information.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 11, 2020, 12:27:58 PM
If that guys was a security guard he was terrible at his job.

This is a guy who properly handled the situation early when riots first started. This guy potentially saved a hell of a lot of lives.

https://youtu.be/IXoGzJZw4Z4
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: no_free_lunch on October 11, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
He might not even be a security guard. 

Quote
NEW: Denver Dept of Excise and Licenses confirms “there is no record for an active licensed security guard now or ever for an individual named Matthew Doloff or Dolloff. If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law”. More tonight on @CBSDenver at 10p

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on October 12, 2020, 04:58:17 AM
He might not even be a security guard. 

Quote
NEW: Denver Dept of Excise and Licenses confirms “there is no record for an active licensed security guard now or ever for an individual named Matthew Doloff or Dolloff. If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law”. More tonight on @CBSDenver at 10p

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/

Video of incident (nothing graphic). Police were 20-30 yards away.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on October 27, 2020, 06:10:40 PM
Here is a nice overview of polling and the errors we may see in state results. Pulls in what happened in 2016 and 2018. At the end of the day, there will be some surprises on election day.

Yes, the Polls Could Be Wrong. but That Could Help Biden, Not Just Trump
- https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/yes-polls-could-be-wrong-could-help-biden-not-just-trump

Fundamentally, the current polling in the 2020 race is different from 2016 in three important ways.

First, Biden's lead is larger and much more stable than Clinton's was at this point. Second, there are far fewer undecided and third-party voters left to woo — reducing the chances of a late break toward one side.

Third, the scores of district and state-level polls conducted by the parties to make spending decisions in down-ballot races generally align with national polls showing Trump running behind his 2016 pace, including in key states. In 2016, these same polls had shown flashing red warning signs for Hillary Clinton, particularly in districts with lots of white working-class voters.

In the end, the only certainty in the polling world is some degree of error. There's no guarantee 2020's errors will boost Trump again or adhere to the Southwest/Midwest patterns we observed in 2016 and 2018.

But in light of recent evidence, it wouldn't be all that surprising if Biden defies polls by winning a higher share of the vote in Arizona than Wisconsin — or breaks through in Texas more than he does in Ohio.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 01, 2020, 05:22:07 PM
Great summary of what time polls close for each state, when results will start to be made available, how quickly mail in ballots will be counted etc. There is a good chance we will not know final results for some swing states until later in the week. It will be interesting to see how financial markets handle the unprecedented uncertainty in the coming days.

Both Candidates Might Fall Short Of 270 Electoral Votes On Election Night. But How Close Might They Get?
- https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/both-candidates-might-fall-short-of-270-electoral-votes-on-election-night-but-how-close-might-they-get/

“In total, if we stick to just the states where we are expected to get quick projections and where we are confident we know what those projections will be, Biden would have 192 electoral votes at this point and Trump would have 119. So it’s very possible that we will go to bed not knowing who has won the presidential election. Of course, it’s also possible that, if either Biden or Trump does better than we expect them to, they will win enough states on election night to be formally declared the winner.”
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 01, 2020, 07:28:24 PM
Whatever happens on Tuesday, stay classy:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZXy7vbQ.jpg)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 02, 2020, 11:38:04 PM
This is Democrats worst nightmare... of course Trump could win. :-) We will know more in 24 hours.

The One Pollster in America Who Is Sure Trump Is Going to Win
- https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-polls-trafalgar-group.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Robert Cahaly’s polls have Arizona, Michigan and Florida in the president’s column. It’s hard to find another pollster who agrees with him. But they didn’t believe him in 2016 either.
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In his last few polls of this election season, Mr. Cahaly has found Mr. Trump with two-to-three-point advantages in North Carolina, Arizona, Michigan and Florida, and wider leads elsewhere. That puts him far out of line with almost all major pollsters, whose surveys in those states are generally showing Mr. Biden with the edge. As different as things are this year, it’s hard to miss the echo of 2016, when Trafalgar occupied a similarly lonely position on the eve of Nov. 8.

Above all, Mr. Cahaly’s approach centers on the belief that everyone lies, but especially conservatives. This has largely been disproved by social science, but that hasn’t softened his conviction. To hear him explain it, traditional pollsters (he calls them “dinosaurs”) are crippled by  “social desirability bias”: the tendency for respondents to say what they think an interviewer wants to hear, not what they actually believe. In Mr. Trump’s America, he says, that problem has grown worse.

“I just think people are not what they say they are, ever,” Mr. Cahaly said in a recent phone interview from Atlanta, where he lives. “We cannot eliminate the social desirability bias, we can only minimize it.”

Four years ago, he addressed this by asking people both whom they would support for president and whom they thought their neighbors would support. This year, he said, he is using other means to achieve the same result.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 03, 2020, 04:14:45 AM
Statespolls.com has Trump winning by a landslide. Again, I think polls are bullshit but the guy was spot on in 2016 and 2018. Who knows though. I’m pretty much 50/50 at this point.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 03, 2020, 05:26:46 AM
No one has any faith in the polls, voting turnout has been massive so far and no one seems to know what this means.

People are so divided and there seems no middle ground. If the vote comes out 50/50 is that the start of the Second American Revolution? Or doe it even matter what the results are?

If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?

About three and a half years ago on this board I predicted that if Trump lost this election he would refuse to step down and would declare that there was massive voting fraud and would appoint a board of his cronies to investigate the results. People scoffed.

Of course if he should win, the only voting fraud would be in states where he lost.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 03, 2020, 05:32:20 AM
Trump will, IMO lose but it will be close. Much closer than the polls, who have less than zero credibility. Its funny, but there was a period after 2016 election where there was rampant apologies from the media and vows to "do better". And what happened? Starting a month or two later they became exponentially worse! Just the other day some shitbag poll said Biden had a 6 point lead in Florida! 10 in Michigan! This is as blatant an attempt to distort through misinformation as any out there, and yet its totally insulated and tolerated. A shame.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 03, 2020, 05:36:13 AM
There is a poll going on today that hopefully will be more accurate :)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 03, 2020, 05:48:20 AM
"If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?"

Why do you keep posting such BS?

History shows that it was Democrats who didn't accept results: Gore and Hillary.

So if he would wait and even ask for a recount in some really tight districts would that not be in line with what his opponents have done?

What about Biden contesting results since he is so certain to win?

Can you be objective once in your lifetime?

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 03, 2020, 05:57:42 AM
"If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?"

Why do you keep posting such BS?

History shows that it was Democrats who didn't accept results: Gore and Hillary.

So if he would wait and even ask for a recount in some really tight districts would that not be in line with what his opponents have done?

What about Biden contesting results since he is so certain to win?

Can you be objective once in your lifetime?

Cardboard

Both won the popular vote, and there were plenty of votes excluded...as well as voter intimidation as we've seen this year again by Trump supporters at polling stations in states like Texas.  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 03, 2020, 06:00:05 AM
Fear not Cardboard.

Today is the day for this Magnificent country and those that love America:

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1323070213902929920?s=20

This is the real American Spirit in action!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 03, 2020, 06:01:03 AM
"If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?"

Why do you keep posting such BS?

History shows that it was Democrats who didn't accept results: Gore and Hillary.

So if he would wait and even ask for a recount in some really tight districts would that not be in line with what his opponents have done?

What about Biden contesting results since he is so certain to win?

Can you be objective once in your lifetime?

Cardboard

Of course there should be recounts in close districts.  And are you sure that you are the one who is objective?   
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 03, 2020, 06:03:48 AM
"If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?"

Why do you keep posting such BS?

History shows that it was Democrats who didn't accept results: Gore and Hillary.

So if he would wait and even ask for a recount in some really tight districts would that not be in line with what his opponents have done?

What about Biden contesting results since he is so certain to win?

Can you be objective once in your lifetime?

Cardboard

Both won the popular vote, and there were plenty of votes excluded...as well as voter intimidation as we've seen this year again by Trump supporters at polling stations in states like Texas.  Cheers!

Went to the polling station this morning. There were individuals stealing Trump signs and screaming nonstop a the top of their lungs like spoiled children. It's amazing how emotionally invested individuals can be to make them act this way in a public space. It's one thing to cheer on your candidate and wave flags. It's another to literally just scream (no words) like a giant baby.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 03, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
Lol!

These must have been Trump supporters Castanza right?

It is always the Conservatives that are to be blamed... Lol!

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 03, 2020, 06:53:00 AM
"Fear not Cardboard.

Today is the day for this Magnificent country and those that love America:

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1323070213902929920?s=20

This is the real American Spirit in action!"

So awesome Cubsfan!!!

Reminds me of John Paul II going to Poland to push to free us from communism.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 03, 2020, 06:56:55 AM
^ Glad you enjoyed it brother!

Time to crush it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hy4sj4Vjg8

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 03, 2020, 07:05:48 AM
Go Blacks go! Save us from all those White privileged who don't know what freedom is all about!

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: SharperDingaan on November 03, 2020, 08:00:43 AM
Best case, there is a clear decision this evening. Unlikely, as whoever the loser is will contest the result, claiming widespread election fraud. Lot of people expect that without a clear result, there will be wide-spread rioting tomorrow morning. Losers will need to vent their frustration, it doesn't look good for property, and images of troops working over citizens aren't going to play well in the media.   

Lot of people will be taking their pound of flesh should Trump lose tonight; vain men don't do well when the headlines are proclaiming them fired losers, and calling for removal of the 'white trash'. Fear and dog-whistles are not a good combination.

Democracy is messy, but the citizenry get through it.
Good luck

SD
 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 03, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
Sharper - rest assured the rioting, arson and looting will be done by BLM and AntiFA - per usual.

There is a reason all these boarded up shops in Chicago have spray painted "We Support Black Lives Matter" on the plywood protection.

I've yet to see one that says "We support Donald Trump"

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 03, 2020, 09:36:51 AM
Whatever happens on Tuesday, stay classy:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZXy7vbQ.jpg)


That's perfect victory-meme even without words.

Thanks,
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 03, 2020, 12:43:54 PM
There is a poll going on today that hopefully will be more accurate :)

It won't be accurate in any way, they never are.  But at least there will be some set of official results at the end that everyone will agree to call final.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 03, 2020, 11:36:19 PM
"If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?"

Why do you keep posting such BS?

History shows that it was Democrats who didn't accept results: Gore and Hillary.

So if he would wait and even ask for a recount in some really tight districts would that not be in line with what his opponents have done?

What about Biden contesting results since he is so certain to win?

Can you be objective once in your lifetime?

Cardboard

As expected, Trump is contesting votes cast, yet not counted with the Supreme Court.  And this is what you guys call democracy and freedom?  Cubsfan...Gregmal?  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 04, 2020, 03:48:27 AM
No matter how you slice it, this is an unbelievable defeat for Democrats. Even if Trump ends up losing.

This is a bigger upset than vs Hillary in 2016.

Regarding math and trends, with 80%+ votes counted, Trump has a fairly strong advance in GA, NC, MI and PA. Trend has not changed since 10:30 last night.

So that is 213+16+15+16+20 or 280 or well above 270 required to win.

You can keep counting the votes but, it would seem really hard for trend to change upside down.

IMO, Joe should have conceded defeat already.

I wonder now what excuse they will come up with? What are we going to hear about for the next 4 years? Russia? Or what else this time?

Is it too much to ask for some conscience examination and trying to understand what is it that is wrong with the Democratic Party?

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Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Ballinvarosig Investors on November 04, 2020, 04:39:05 AM
No matter how you slice it, this is an unbelievable defeat for Democrats. Even if Trump ends up losing.

This is a bigger upset than vs Hillary in 2016.

Regarding math and trends, with 80%+ votes counted, Trump has a fairly strong advance in GA, NC, MI and PA. Trend has not changed since 10:30 last night.

So that is 213+16+15+16+20 or 280 or well above 270 required to win.

You can keep counting the votes but, it would seem really hard for trend to change upside down.

IMO, Joe should have conceded defeat already.

I wonder now what excuse they will come up with? What are we going to hear about for the next 4 years? Russia? Or what else this time?

Is it too much to ask for some conscience examination and trying to understand what is it that is wrong with the Democratic Party?

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This has not aged well.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 04, 2020, 05:10:26 AM
Don't count your chickens before the eggs hatch!

Queue the antics, bitching, moaning, accusations, threats and of course......re-count after re-count after re-count.

No point watching any of it at this point.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 04, 2020, 05:23:31 AM
Yea, it doesnt really matter. So many of these fools look as such, nothing further needed. Running their mouths non stop about blue waves, about the polls, about flipping Grahams seat. 538 had Ohio at toss up and Trump won by 8+. Florida was a 6 point Biden win apparently...All they did was yap and talk about how important it was and they couldn't even get their asses to the polls and now they spend days magically coming up with ballots and scream about how Trump won't leave office and the next levels of their nonsense begin. But its too late as they've lost all credibility already. Look at the "Lincoln Project" clowns....sucked so much money out of stupid liberals and took much of it for themselves and delivered what? lol. Collins, re-elected. Graham a landslide. Bottom line is they knew the mail in stuff would be messy, if it was so important they should have gone to the polls. Maybe CNN shouldn't have spent so much time scaring their audience with all the covid crap....whoops.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: SharperDingaan on November 04, 2020, 06:38:24 AM
Interesting result.

Most would expect that it will be a week before the remaining outstanding votes are counted, and a preliminary conclusion reached. After which, an 'audit' recount done/supervised by some of the big 4 accounting firms. Great business!

Like him or not, millions of people voted for Trump. My own thoughts are that it really reflects fear.
Millions are not doing well, work is hard to get, and they owe their continuing employment/business to social rank/privilege remaining 'unchanged'. Fighting for a way of life, and identity, that is at risk of permanent loss should Trump lose. In some parts of the world, this similar kind of 'system' was called Apartheid, and it ultimately collapsed.   

Our simple view is that Trump appears to have lost, and that the democrats did not deliver the crushing change hoped for.
House and Senate under different majorities, 4 more years of the same sh1te, just a different president.
Hopefully, the next week changes it for the better.

Good luck.

SD



Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 04, 2020, 07:13:53 AM
"If the vote goes against Trump will he accept it?"

Why do you keep posting such BS?

History shows that it was Democrats who didn't accept results: Gore and Hillary.

So if he would wait and even ask for a recount in some really tight districts would that not be in line with what his opponents have done?

What about Biden contesting results since he is so certain to win?

Can you be objective once in your lifetime?

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As expected, Trump is contesting votes cast, yet not counted with the Supreme Court.  And this is what you guys call democracy and freedom?  Cubsfan...Gregmal?  Cheers!

Perhaps give us a little credit - the cheating aspect has always been a well expressed fear on BOTH sides. All I've heard about on BOTH sides is stealing
the election. I seriously never thought it was a factor. Maybe we will find out.

Or maybe it ends up being like the Democratic Russia/Ukraine issues against Trump:  Total Hoaxes

But I know you consider those shameful events to be democracy & freedom.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 04, 2020, 11:15:57 AM
Well, in another 24 hours the fat lady will likely be singing. And it looks like Trump is getting a pink slip from the American public. If he loses that would make him a big, big loser... good Presidents NEVER lose after 4 years. Hard to put lipstick on that pig.

And who cares about the Senate. This election was all about the Presidency.

But at this point in time nothing would surprise me. Trump might still win... just don’t think it is likely.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 04, 2020, 11:47:54 AM
Quite the mea culpa from you Viking...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 04, 2020, 11:56:07 AM
Well, in another 24 hours the fat lady will likely be singing. And it looks like Trump is getting a pink slip from the American public. If he loses that would make him a big, big loser... good Presidents NEVER lose after 4 years. Hard to put lipstick on that pig.

And who cares about the Senate. This election was all about the Presidency.

But at this point in time nothing would surprise me. Trump might still win... just don’t think it is likely.

With Wisconsin and looks like Michigan and Arizona, Biden has enough to get the 270 he needs.  Looks like Trump will have to rely on the courts to get him his victory now.

It may even be a squeaker with the Senate.  Biden might be able to get alot of the stuff passed unlike Trump.  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 04, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
Biden might be able to get alot of the stuff passed unlike Trump.  Cheers!

That's what I'm afraid of.  Gridlock is good.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 04, 2020, 12:21:13 PM
No matter which party you support, I don't think anyone should be in favor of a Pres, House, and Senate all controlled by a single party.

I think historically speaking the country and economy have done best with a Dem President, Dem House and, Republican Senate. Last two could be reversed (going from memory).
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 04, 2020, 12:29:57 PM
Things will definitely get done now. The little babies will shut up now that Trump is gone, thats a relief and the current situation made it so that even if Trump proposed feeding the hungry, the Democrats would have resisted. Now, you have the Senate in place to prevent craziness...ie no court packing. Republicans gained seats in the House...and Joe's got to work with them which will require concessions and compromise, which is good for everyone. I doubt he gets his crazy tax stuff through, but I'll happily take the reinstatement of SALT deductions, which seem like an obvious middle ground. As long as they keep Willie Browns lover out fo the Oval Office, I think this setup is probably all around the best outcome.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Xerxes on November 04, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
In my humble opinion, Trump kind of won, even if he loses.
The non-existent Blue landslide, and given that broadly speaking a large segment of U.S. population seem to approve of him, means that he was right at least on some key issues. Got to give him that.

If he loses to Biden, and we get gridlock in the U.S. and a one term Biden, the by-product of that gridlock would be a Republican win in 2024, and with it less chance of socialist take over. The long game ! 

If Trump wins, and in the next 4 years, and the second term is much worse then the first term (that is possible), there is a possibility of the pendulum swinging wildly to the left. Too much perhaps for one' taste !!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 04, 2020, 12:51:20 PM
That and at best, nothing Trump did, as things currently stand, will be undone. Particularly the Supreme Court. Which further shows how fake all the "I hate Trumpers" were. Their fake outrage at this or that. Their "concern" about the courts. Covid. McConnell. Taxes. None of that changes, but Trump is gone, and they're euphoric....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 04, 2020, 12:53:50 PM
No matter which party you support, I don't think anyone should be in favor of a Pres, House, and Senate all controlled by a single party.

I think historically speaking the country and economy have done best with a Dem President, Dem House and, Republican Senate. Last two could be reversed (going from memory).

I think you are correct, but I think the true-believers in both cults think utopia is just around the corner if they could just get a hold of the ring of power and wield it exclusively, for the benefit of all mankind of course.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 04, 2020, 01:18:39 PM
No matter which party you support, I don't think anyone should be in favor of a Pres, House, and Senate all controlled by a single party.

I think historically speaking the country and economy have done best with a Dem President, Dem House and, Republican Senate. Last two could be reversed (going from memory).

I think you are correct, but I think the true-believers in both cults think utopia is just around the corner if they could just get a hold of the ring of power and wield it exclusively, for the benefit of all mankind of course.

The road to Hell is paved in good intentions  8)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 04, 2020, 01:47:32 PM
Dems: boromir
Reps: gollum
rk: samwise?

:D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 04, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
That and at best, nothing Trump did, as things currently stand, will be undone. Particularly the Supreme Court. Which further shows how fake all the "I hate Trumpers" were. Their fake outrage at this or that. Their "concern" about the courts. Covid. McConnell. Taxes. None of that changes, but Trump is gone, and they're euphoric....

+1 - as you said, with House losses & Senate wins, should be a great check on Biden. I do find it amazing that Kamrade Kamala may end up
being President when Joe peters out.  Simply incredible.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 04, 2020, 02:03:30 PM
Dems: boromir
Reps: gollum
rk: samwise?

:D

I like Samwise.  I'll just make a small edit to your others:

Dems: Sauron
Reps: Gollum

EDIT:

I've seen a similar sentiment expressed before as "The Evil Party and The Stupid Party".

“We have two parties here, and only two. One is the evil party, and the other is the stupid party. ... I'm very proud to be a member of the stupid party. ... Occasionally, the two parties get together to do something that's both evil and stupid. That's called bipartisanship.”
― M. Stanton Evans
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 04, 2020, 02:15:36 PM
Here's what the real Democrats think:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/while-you-werent-sleeping-democrats-disappoint-in-house-and-senate-races-202700512.html



As of Wednesday afternoon, Democrats had taken two seats they expected to flip in North Carolina but lost at least seven, per Associated Press calls: two in Florida, one in South Carolina, one in Oklahoma, one in Minnesota, one in New Mexico and at least one in Iowa. They had hoped to net 10 seats in Texas and may not win any of them, while a number of incumbents are locked in tighter-than-expected races.

“Polls (esp. at district-level) have rarely led us more astray & it’s going to take a long time to unpack,” wrote Dave Wasserman, an analyst for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, of the evening’s surprises.

“It’s a dumpster fire,” one unnamed Democratic lawmaker told Politico, with a more blunt description of the situation.



Quite different from the Trump derangement group...ZOMG! No moar Trump!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 04, 2020, 03:16:14 PM

https://www.c-span.org/video/?477808-1/trump-campaign-claims-voter-fraud-pennsylvania-files-lawsuit
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 04, 2020, 03:22:44 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-postal-service-officials-ordered-to-court-hearing-after-failure-to-comply-with-federal-judges-ballot-sweep-order-01604510041

Stupid or evil?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 04, 2020, 04:02:51 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-postal-service-officials-ordered-to-court-hearing-after-failure-to-comply-with-federal-judges-ballot-sweep-order-01604510041

Stupid or evil?

Stupid for not getting rid of socialized mail delivery any time in the last 100+ years, evil to use it for political ends.  Like so much that those who hold the ring do, it is both stupid and evil.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: sleepydragon on November 04, 2020, 04:49:07 PM
https://omaha.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/how-nebraskas-2nd-district-vote-could-end-up-mattering-in-presidential-race/article_2f91e02c-e0e2-50da-891d-603bd5c1ad7b.amp.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_OWHnews&__twitter_impression=true

Mr.. Buffett is smiling.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Xerxes on November 04, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
I am no political analyst.
i am guessing Trump still has a shot, if he gets PA, NC, GA and Nevada.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 04, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-suitcases-coolers-rolled-detroit-voting-center-4-brought-secure-counting-area/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 04, 2020, 06:05:05 PM
Seriously? "The Gateway Pundit"? And some think the MSM is fake news. Reading too much of that type of garbage could rot one's brain.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 04, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
I am no political analyst.
i am guessing Trump still has a shot, if he gets PA, NC, GA and Nevada.
That is correct. Losing any of those 4 and it is over. Tomorrow, we should have a pretty good picture.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 03:48:37 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-suitcases-coolers-rolled-detroit-voting-center-4-brought-secure-counting-area/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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Holy shit - maybe they did steal this
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 06:16:48 AM


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-suitcases-coolers-rolled-detroit-voting-center-4-brought-secure-counting-area/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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Holy shit - maybe they did steal this


Some posters are always ranting about the mainstream media, and yet they are quoting the Gateway Pundit as one of their sources of “news”.

Here is the Gateway Pundit's headlines for today.  This is the type of garbage, I mean “independent news” that this website publishes.

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Pennsylvania Attorney General States Outcome of Election is Predetermined, Calls Election For Joe Biden Before Election Day

Archbishop Viganò: America is in midst of ‘Colossal Electoral Fraud,’ ‘Do Not Think the Children of Darkness Act with Honesty – We Must Pray NOW to Defeat Enemy

BREAKING: Trump Campaign Files Suit in Michigan After Massive Dump of Ballots For Biden Suddenly Appear Overnight

4 VOTERS Older than the Oldest Human Being Alive Today Voted in Michigan Including One Man Born in 1850

Protect the Vote – Stop the Steal Rallies on Thursday in Key States and D.C., Trump Supporters Urged to Attend

Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar Denied Entry Into Maricopa County Elections Center as Ballots Are Counted

Democrats Already Blaming Each Other For Failed House Races And Republican Gains

What is Going On? Minnesota and Wisconsin BOTH had 89%-90% Turnout — Something That Is Highly Unlikely

WATCH: Trump Supporters Flock to Arizona State Capital to Protect the Vote… Chant ‘Four More Years’ and ‘We Love Trump’

BREAKING: Project Veritas – Michigan USPS Whistleblower Details Directive From Superiors to Back-Date Late Mail-in Ballots as Received Nov 3rd So They Are Accepted (VIDEO)

Trump Legal Adviser Jenna Ellis Discusses Magical 138,000 Michigan Biden Votes that Appeared Out of Nowhere in the Middle of the Night (VIDEO)

We Call Bull$hit: Joe Biden Couldn’t Get 10 People at a Campaign Rally But He Somehow Breaks the Record for the Most Candidate Votes in US History? No Way

Trump Camp Files Suit in Georgia to Stop Counting Ballots After Biden Camp Seeks Volunteers to go ‘Door-to-Door Helping Voters Fix Their Mail in Ballots’ AFTER ELECTION DAY

Joe Biden Campaign Seeking Volunteers in Georgia to ‘Go Door to Door Helping Voters Fix Their Mail in Ballots’ AFTER ELECTION DAY

Sharpie-Gate: Arizona Attorney General Launches Investigation into Sharpie Scandal in Maricopa County

ATTENTION PATRIOTS: Protect the Vote Rally Happening TONIGHT at 8 PM at Arizona State Capitol



Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 06:32:16 AM
^  CW - you're killing me dude!  Seriously, you consider the Mainstream Media in the USA HONEST!
They are the only check against dishonesty - so trash them all you want.

Thank god for independent websites that are willing to report the truth being buried by CNN/MSNBC/etc...

ALL WE WANT is an honest election.

https://twitter.com/agirlinpitt/status/1323984541434945536?s=10
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 06:34:22 AM
I don't think its a stretch to say the fix was in. The second mail in voting became as deployable as it was, it really changed everything. Its why democrats got sooooo defensive anytime you'd bring up voter fraud. The proof is in the numbers. Trump destroyed the polls. Trump IMPROVED amongst every demographic except white males. Trump also well surpassed his 2016 totals in almost every swing state. The numbers as of several hours after the polls closing were drastically in his favor; the same time they were being called for him last election. Then all of a sudden hundreds of thousands of "new votes" come in with 80-90% being for Biden....At the end of the day, what are you going to do? It is what it is. While men and women have died fighting for the country and its freedom, you've got these pussies who cant even stroll their way to a polling station? They shouldn't be able to vote if they cant get there, barring being out of the area or physically disabled. But they are, and thus theres nothing you can do about it. Still, even in defeat, its hard to view this as anything but a massive victory for Trump and Republicans. He crushed all the polls, again made the media look embarrassingly awful, increased turnout which allows them to keep the Senate, take seats in the House, and preserve what he did in office, which was more than any president Ive ever seen. The guy took on the corrupt media, elitist academics, Hollywood toolbags and celebrities everywhere, and even at the end, the most powerful tech companies in the world, after defeating the doomsday virus in 3 days. And almost pulled it off a second time. I think as time goes by history will remember him much more favorably, especially amongst republicans as the things he did in office become fully appreciated.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 06:42:41 AM
^ So well said!

All we ask is an HONEST election. Why is that asking too much?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 06:57:11 AM
^  CW - you're killing me dude!  Seriously, you consider the Mainstream Media in the USA HONEST!
They are the only check against dishonesty - so trash them all you want.

Thank god for independent websites that are willing to report the truth being buried by CNN/MSNBC/etc...

ALL WE WANT is an honest election.

https://twitter.com/agirlinpitt/status/1323984541434945536?s=10

I said nothing about the mainstream media being honest or dishonest. I simply implied that the "News" source you were quoting was a joke similar to what you see at the checkouts at the grocery store and you guys are quoting it as a legitimate news source.

As far as an 'Honest Election" is concerned, the only "honest" election from your point of view would one in which Trump won. Trump has spent the last six months trying to condition his followers to believe that anything other than a Trump win would be fraud. 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 07:09:49 AM
Well according to all your buddies Biden was supposed to smoke him and for most of us, if it had been called for Biden at midnight like you all predicted, people would have an easier time accepting the results as legitimate....Biden will be the winner, but you're being a bit dishonest if you dont think there is ANYTHING sketchy about the way things transpired. If Trump somehow manages to gain ground, expect to see the same thing in NC and Georgia. More votes will just "appear". And the vote count will continue to soar past any previous figure....despite Trump taking more than he did in 2016 and improving amongst pretty much every demographic....

I mean even down to WI and MI....polls closed at 7.....you dont find it strange that with 80-90% of the vote in Biden all of a sudden gets this turbo boost of votes that skew significantly from figures from the same area that had been coming in all day?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 05, 2020, 07:24:31 AM
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While men and women have died fighting for the country and its freedom, you've got these pussies who cant even stroll their way to a polling station? They shouldn't be able to vote if they cant get there, barring being out of the area or physically disabled

Men and women died SO THAT we can enable democratic voting. To restrict voting dishonors their memory and your call to suppress voting is DISGRACEFUL.

The election hasn't even been decided but it seems your true colors are coming out. They are not pretty.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 07:28:35 AM
No one is preventing people from voting. It used to be a slogan..."go to the polls!"....not "mail in your pussy slip!"..this hasn't exactly been a new position for me, so not sure whats "coming out". Ive been saying it for a while. In some states, absentee ballots can only be requested if you are out of area or disabled. I dont know whats so controversial about that.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 07:30:06 AM
Well according to all your buddies Biden was supposed to smoke him and for most of us, if it had been called for Biden at midnight like you all predicted, people would have an easier time accepting the results as legitimate....Biden will be the winner, but you're being a bit dishonest if you dont think there is ANYTHING sketchy about the way things transpired. If Trump somehow manages to gain ground, expect to see the same thing in NC and Georgia. More votes will just "appear". And the vote count will continue to soar past any previous figure....despite Trump taking more than he did in 2016 and improving amongst pretty much every demographic....

I mean even down to WI and MI....polls closed at 7.....you dont find it strange that with 80-90% of the vote in Biden all of a sudden gets this turbo boost of votes that skew significantly from figures from the same area that had been coming in all day?

You’re the one who keeps calling it a Biden win. Me? I think the math is still to be done.

It is Trump who has been spreading distrust of the election results for months now. Questioning mail in votes - except for where he leads. Reducing the post office’s ability to handle the mail, etc.

If you guys don’t believe in your country’s electoral process, call in the United Nations. They can provide Observers to keep things honest. I personally know Canadian observers who travel all over the world to help in supervising elections to keep them honest. If you don't believe the United States is capable in holding an honest election then why wouldn't you call in the UN?

Why wouldn’t Trump call them in if he really believes the election is not legitimate?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 07:38:30 AM
Eh, I dont care that much. It is what it is. My opinion isn't law of the land, the system is set up as is. I obviously would have preferred Trump, but as long as Willie Brown's lover doesnt take over I think we're sitting pretty.

On the math, it is over. Theres no path and the same way Trump has been laying the framework for contesting the election, the democrats have done the same with regard to defending this sort of outcome.

Elections are by and large establishment hand waiving spectacles done to rile up the puppets. Your vote, on a statistic basis is pretty much meaningless. I have always been amazed at how crazy folks get; flags, yard signs, clothing, etc. So worked up. And I think to myself, do these people realize that regardless of the outcome they will more than likely wakeup tomorrow or 6 months from now, in the same exact position that they were in prior?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 07:45:25 AM
“Willie Brown's lover”

There you go again. What would you do if one of your kid’s teachers called you and told you that your child keeps calling another child names? I supposed that would be perfectly okay with you?

If you can't come up with something legitimate, call them names?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 07:47:10 AM
I think most of the fraud allegations have been shown to be false. Specifically the 138k votes in Michigan etc. But as with any election there is probably some aspect of fraud. The democrats spent the last four years harping on election fraud/meddling and now all of a sudden it's not even mentioned  ;D 100% accurate! No chance of fraud or election meddling when Biden is leading!

People are mad because vote counting has become stagnant. Nevada has had 8k gap for over 24 hours...I mean, get your shit together and count the votes. All votes should be counted if submitted according to rules of individuals states. Trump is wrong saying certain votes shouldn't be counted. PA's Constitution/rules specifically allows a few days to count. There are a few other states that allow this as well.

I think Biden will win. But honestly, the Senate is more important. I would prefer to see a divided congress. Otherwise, there could be some massive implications of an unchecked extreme left party. I would say the same for an unchecked republican party.

Some humor

CNN "The vote counters are minimum wage workers! They are being bused in and have to walk through the phoenix heat to do their job" LMFAO, what a stupid plea of a comment. They're sitting at desks opening mail. They aren't storming the beaches of Normandy under machinegun fire  :P ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 07:49:00 AM
“Willie Brown's lover”

There you go again. What would you do if one of your kid’s teachers called you and told you that your child keeps calling another child names? I supposed that would be perfectly okay with you?

If you can't come up with something legitimate, call them names?

Out of everything I've said, thats what you focus on? Talk about not being able to come up with anything legitimate...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: gfp on November 05, 2020, 07:50:17 AM
Some states, like my home state of Louisiana, don't allow voting by mail except for absentee ballots and similar special cases.  Other states do allow voting by mail.  All of this was well understood before the election.  Many articles were written before the election about the dynamics that record mail-in voting would produce.  Trump's campaign, oddsmakers, journalists and most of the posters on this forum were well aware of the record numbers and associated delays in states with huge mail-in ballot numbers - some where the counting was not allowed to begin until the 4th.

An article explaining the exact phenomenon Trump is seemingly surprised and incensed by - from well before the election:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-pennsylvanias-vote-count-could-change-after-election-night/

Nothing about the current map was considered unlikely before the election.  Prediction markets and projections had the current results as a very likely possibility.  If anyone was surprised, it would be in the direction of Trump performing stronger than they projected.  Nothing about Trump doing slightly better than expected looks like Democratic voter fraud.

I get it that some of you don't like the right to vote by mail.  But in the states that allow it, it is the law of the land and in many places mail-in voters tend to skew Democratic.  Call them pussies or whatever, but that doesn't mean they aren't legitimate votes.

All of this was spelled out well before the election.  To try to head off this misinformation conspiracy theory nonsense.

What I do wonder about is what went into Fox News decision to call Arizona shockingly early.  Anyone have thoughts on that?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 05, 2020, 07:52:09 AM
Trump is Hitler, a bigot, rapist, racist... How many times have we heard these false libels?

Name calling? Tough!

Cardboard

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 07:54:55 AM
“Willie Brown's lover”

There you go again. What would you do if one of your kid’s teachers called you and told you that your child keeps calling another child names? I supposed that would be perfectly okay with you?

If you can't come up with something legitimate, call them names?

It's a fact though....per his wiki

"Brown's relationship with Alameda County deputy district attorney Kamala Harris preceded his appointment of Harris to two California state commissions in the early 1990s."
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 07:56:39 AM
Yea, dont mind that. If you look at the content of what Ive wrote here, and compare it to his, I dont think theres any argument about who's short on legitimate talking points.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 08:20:50 AM
Yea, dont mind that. If you look at the content of what Ive wrote here, and compare it to his, I dont think theres any argument about who's short on legitimate talking points.

Haha. Whenever I have brought up legitimate points about Trump's behaviour and his mental issues, it seems you guys just tend to skip over them or change the subject. So after a while you just don't even try.

But stooping to slurs like “Willie Brown's lover” or "Koomala" really doesn't do much for your credibility. What surprises me about having to use slurs like that it shows how you tend to mimic your leader.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 05, 2020, 08:28:40 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-suitcases-coolers-rolled-detroit-voting-center-4-brought-secure-counting-area/?utm_source=Parler&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Cardboard

Holy shit - maybe they did steal this


The attached photo used to be here: https://twitter.com/duckdiver19/status/1323974967617224704
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 08:30:04 AM
^ I think this was a clerical error and debunked. That's why the original tweet was removed.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 08:31:48 AM
Literally everything you people have been spouting off about Trump for the past 5 years has been wrong. Why would we waste time discussing your opinion of what you perceive his mental state to be? I mean lets guess, your take on his mental state mirrors much of the liberal pundits who go on TV or write articles for MSNBC or NYT?

And let me guess...now, in addition to "Willie Browns lover" being a "slur", its also racist too? Why dont we get adesigar in here and ask him what he thinks? You want to talk about credibility but lets get real, I'm the one who called it most accurately out of everyone here....and I put my money where my mouth is. Far cry from most of you folks.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 08:38:58 AM
"Literally everything you people have been spouting off about Trump for the past 5 years has been wrong."

In your opinion.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 05, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
BREITBART BREAKING NEWS:

Morning commuters struggled to actively ignore the inane political ramblings from NJ resident, whose pre-coffee ravings were self-described as "TOTALLY LEGITIMATE" and "MOST ACCURATE OUT OF EVERYONE HERE", and while repeatedly struggling to identify Kamala Harris, the man also "DOESN'T CARE MUCH" and also has "ALWAYS BEEN AMAZED AT HOW CRAZY FOLKS GET"

One passer-by commented, "This is why we legalized weed"

Shoppers at the nearby bait-and-tackle store claim the man routinely attempts to pass off Chilean sea bass from Whole Foods as "the big one" that he caught earlier that morning.

More at noon!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 08:50:44 AM
Well done lol
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 05, 2020, 08:52:17 AM
Man I am too tired of this political talk. Need bars to reopen so I can drink whiskey in peace during wintertime. Just poking some fun in the meantime :D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 08:55:05 AM
Ill join you in Denver next time PCYO holds its investor day. 10 shot minimum before we're allowed to talk politics!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 05, 2020, 08:59:08 AM
deal  ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 05, 2020, 09:34:53 AM
Man I am too tired of this political talk. Need bars to reopen so I can drink whiskey in peace during wintertime. Just poking some fun in the meantime :D

FYI, I've heard that there is no law against drinking whiskey in peace at home even when the bars are closed.  It's true.  I've done it.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 05, 2020, 09:40:40 AM
I'll be sure to tell that to my wife  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 09:43:05 AM

As far as an 'Honest Election" is concerned, the only "honest" election from your point of view would one in which Trump won. Trump has spent the last six months trying to condition his followers to believe that anything other than a Trump win would be fraud.

CW - you are so full of shit - but we already knew that.

You can't define a legitimate newsource. You have no idea if there was widespread cheating. None.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 09:46:11 AM
“Willie Brown's lover”

There you go again. What would you do if one of your kid’s teachers called you and told you that your child keeps calling another child names? I supposed that would be perfectly okay with you?

If you can't come up with something legitimate, call them names?

Yeah, don't do that Greg - please use the correct name: Komrade Kamala - more PC to the LEFT
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 10:31:50 AM

As far as an 'Honest Election" is concerned, the only "honest" election from your point of view would one in which Trump won. Trump has spent the last six months trying to condition his followers to believe that anything other than a Trump win would be fraud.

CW - you are so full of shit - but we already knew that.

You can't define a legitimate newsource. You have no idea if there was widespread cheating. None.

But Cubs, one might be able to define people by what they read.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 05, 2020, 11:00:50 AM
Here is a more reliable source according to your standards...

Election 2020 live results and updates: Judge rejects Trump campaign effort to halt Michigan vote count
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/05/election-live-results-updates-trump-biden.html

Liberal judges obstruct everything that Conservatives ever propose. What is new?

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 05, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
(https://i.redd.it/kpd1azjv8bx51.jpg)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 11:18:55 AM
Here is a more reliable source according to your standards...

Election 2020 live results and updates: Judge rejects Trump campaign effort to halt Michigan vote count
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/05/election-live-results-updates-trump-biden.html

Liberal judges obstruct everything that Conservatives ever propose. What is new?

Cardboard

Thats ok. We just took over the courts, including the most important one. They can have 1 or 2. Throw them their bone(Biden) and they'll probably shut up...not realizing nothing has changed.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
Oh yeah. Whenever Trump gets ahead in a vote count you should immediately stop the count. But if he is behind and gaining, by all means keep counting.

Yup, that makes sense. And you think that is part of some sort of a conspiracy against Trump??

You guys should step back, give your head a shake and think about this stuff for a minute.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
Oh yeah. Whenever Trump gets ahead in a vote count you should immediately stop the count. But if he is behind and gaining, by all means keep counting.

Yup, that makes sense. And you think that is part of some sort of a conspiracy against Trump??

You guys should step back, give your head a shake and think about this stuff for a minute.

I'm not saying there is or isn't fraud....no idea....but we listed to the left bitch and moan for four years about "The RUSSIANS!" and election meddling....

Trump supporters complain for two days during an election that was thrown together with a million moving pieces....but that's too much....?

c'mon man!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 11:55:41 AM
Well I thought that it was the US intelligence that accused the Russians of interference in the process?

But what I am saying that it is a little strange to believe the counting should be stopped at any point Trump is ahead in the counting. It just doesn't work that way. You count the ballots until you are done, not until Trump is ahead.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Well I thought that it was the US intelligence that accused the Russians of interference in the process?

But what I am saying that it is a little strange to believe the counting should be stopped at any point Trump is ahead in the counting. It just doesn't work that way. You count the ballots until you are done, not until Trump is ahead.

I agree, valid ballots should be counted.

If there is evidence to suggest the changing of post dates then it should be investigated. I also don't understand the locking out of republicans from ballot data. Not a good look tbh. Process should be transparent to all parties. I said from the beginning that this was going to be a complete cluster....looks like I was right.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
One of the States has the accounting covered by cameras on line. Sounds like a good practice to me. But don't both parties have scrutineers present during the counting?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 12:06:50 PM
One of the States has the accounting covered by cameras on line. Sounds like a good practice to me. But don't both parties have scrutineers present during the counting?

I think there were issues in Philly with this. Apparently a court order was needed for the Trump campaign to get access. Don't know all the details though.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Man I am too tired of this political talk. Need bars to reopen so I can drink whiskey in peace during wintertime. Just poking some fun in the meantime :D

I'm totally with you LC!

I am buying!

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 12:34:10 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 12:46:32 PM
Regardless of what the source is, a moderately intelligent person should be able to read something and judge the validity of such for themselves. For instance, you can go to the NYT, which masquerades around like a respectable news organization, and see that most of the stuff is literally just opinion and narrative from liberal dimwits. Conversely you can go on twitter and see a random person post a random statistic and then be compelled to go research the subject matter because you find it interesting. You want to talk about credible again? Weren't people recently posting polls from the NYT and 538?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 12:59:18 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right... 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 05, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 02:32:47 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.

But then there are those pesky alternate facts. We know this because Kellyanne said so.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 03:05:41 PM
Nowadays, places like NYT, CNN, MSNBC and their loyalists like to brand anything that reports things that dont fit their narratives as "fringe", "far right", "conspiracy pusher", etc. Quite ironic and at best a pretty good example of the pot calling the kettle black.

cwericb, you dont think there is a liberal bias to the media? Sure there are examples of conservatives in the media, but the same can be said for academia...which, is basically one in the same with journalism.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
I don't disagree that a lot of the media tends to lean to the left. But I also don't think that the whole world's media is far left in their reporting and that is why they are critical of Trump. Trump is his own worst enemy because he is so unstable and the fact that he lies puts the media in the position of a fact checker and Trump oviously does not like that. I also don't think the media is as far to the left as the right thinks it is.

Trump has gone out of his way to make the media a good whipping post for him to distract his supporters whenever he gets himself in trouble. While it may have been his strategy to antagonize the media, I don't think was very smart on his part in the long run.

Actually I am begininng to wonder if we need to redefine the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative'. I have not really changed my own views - left/right - but find myself farther from the right all the time. The reason for that is the right keeps moving farther right and I think the left is moving farther left. I don't thinks 'socialism" works because it kills initiative. but that doesn't mean that all social programs are bad. It seems that there is nobody left in the middle and that is a real serious problem for more countries than just the US. JMHO 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
Wrong, wrong, wrong Dude.

The media absolutely despises Trump because he goes right around them directly to the citizens with his news.
They can not control him at all. Romney, McCain, Bush were all terrified of the media.

Not Trump - and they absolutely hate him for it. He has taken away their power - and branded them "Fake News"
with the people - and that stain is permanent.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 04:31:12 PM
Wrong, wrong, wrong Dude.

The media absolutely despises Trump because he goes right around them directly to the citizens with his news.
They can not control him at all. Romney, McCain, Bush were all terrified of the media.

Not Trump - and they absolutely hate him for it. He has taken away their power - and branded them "Fake News"
with the people - and that stain is permanent.

Cubs you gotta lay off that Koolaid it's warping your brain.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 05, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
^ CW - put down the crack pipe already
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 05, 2020, 04:58:02 PM
Well this makes sense..........

For months Trump tells supporters not to mail in votes.
Then when the votes are counted he can’t understand why the majority of mail in votes are going to the Biden.

In areas where he is leading he wants the vote count stopped.
In areas where he is losing and catching up, he wants the vote count to continue.

Sounds like a very stable genius to me.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 05, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
Nowadays, places like NYT, CNN, MSNBC and their loyalists like to brand anything that reports things that dont fit their narratives as "fringe", "far right", "conspiracy pusher", etc. Quite ironic and at best a pretty good example of the pot calling the kettle black.

cwericb, you dont think there is a liberal bias to the media? Sure there are examples of conservatives in the media, but the same can be said for academia...which, is basically one in the same with journalism.

I don’t think Breitbart is the media molehill you want to die on when checking for facts.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 05, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.

Aren’t you fresh out of college?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 05, 2020, 06:23:45 PM
"Romney, McCain, Bush were all terrified of the media."

Yeah and they all got killed by them too no matter how nice they were to the media.

Wasn't better on this website.

Parsad kept blaming Bush for years because of Afghanistan and Iraq with all kinds of theories such as Bush wanting to take revenge on Sadam Hussein for having plotted an assassination attempt on Bush senior.

They trashed McCain for teaming up with Palin. None of these guys called him a respectable war hero.

They also trashed Romney for being a mormon. I mean who are the true racists and bigots?

Now they don't like when we say that Obama was an arrogant pos with terrible policies?

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 05, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
"Romney, McCain, Bush were all terrified of the media."

Yeah and they all got killed by them too no matter how nice they were to the media.

Wasn't better on this website.

Parsad kept blaming Bush for years because of Afghanistan and Iraq with all kinds of theories such as Bush wanting to take revenge on Sadam Hussein for having plotted an assassination attempt on Bush senior.

They trashed McCain for teaming up with Palin. None of these guys called him a respectable war hero.

They also trashed Romney for being a mormon. I mean who are the true racists and bigots?

Now they don't like when we say that Obama was an arrogant pos with terrible policies?

Cardboard

One, I never said anything about Afghanistan...thought it was fully justified after 9/11.  Two, do you still think going into Iraq was a good idea?

By the way, I never said anything about McCain...in fact defended him against Trump...yeah stupid to partner with Palin, but I've always respected McCain. 

Romney is a hypocritical twat...look at him when he was running against Trump and the first year of Trump's administration, and then look at his stance since. Practically giving Trump BJ's now.

So if you are going to trash me, at least get the facts right!  But hey, that isn't possible for you.  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 05, 2020, 06:36:42 PM
These comments were not all directed at you but, it is pretty obvious that you hated them all.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 05, 2020, 06:50:52 PM
These comments were not all directed at you but, it is pretty obvious that you hated them all.

You never answered the question:  Do you think going into Iraq was a good idea by Dubya today?

Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 05, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
Based on the intelligence that was presented to him, he had no choice.

So yes, he did make the right decision and any President would have made a similar choice.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 05, 2020, 08:27:04 PM
www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/05/usps-late-ballots-election/%3foutputType=amp

USPS processed 150,000 ballots after Election Day, jeopardizing thousands of votes
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 05, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Based on the intelligence that was presented to him, he had no choice.

So yes, he did make the right decision and any President would have made a similar choice.

Cardboard

The intelligence, thoroughly vetted at the time, told Dubya in distinct terms that no weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq, nor was there any evidence of them producing any radioactive material that could be used to produce weapons of mass destruction.  The U.S. Intelligence reports and the UN Investigative Committee all said that.   What intelligence was Dubya following at the time?  Certainly not Collin Powell's recommendations.  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 05, 2020, 11:11:17 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.

Aren’t you fresh out of college?

This would...........explain a lot.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 06, 2020, 12:46:32 AM
The good news for Republicans is the election was a pretty serious repudiation of much of what the Democrats wanted to do (environment, bigger government, higher taxes etc). The US will not be moving policy wise much closer to Europe / Canada.

The Republicans are in the process of displacing the Democrats as the party for working class families. If the Democrats stay hard-left policy wise the Republicans could get the House back in 2 years.

Never a dull moment in American politics :-)

PS: Democrats do not understand why Trump is so popular. They better get in figured out soon! (I am not optimistic.)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: KJP on November 06, 2020, 04:14:08 AM
The good news for Republicans is the election was a pretty serious repudiation of much of what the Democrats wanted to do (environment, bigger government, higher taxes etc). The US will not be moving policy wise much closer to Europe / Canada.

The Republicans are in the process of displacing the Democrats as the party for working class families. If the Democrats stay hard-left policy wise the Republicans could get the House back in 2 years.

Never a dull moment in American politics :-)

PS: Democrats do not understand why Trump is so popular. They better get in figured out soon! (I am not optimistic.)

On the other hand, one large group of voters who went for Trump twice (Florida) also passed by referendum a $15 minimum wage and felon enfranchisement.  So, I think a combination of fairly left economic policy (but don't call it "socialism"!) and fairly conservative social policy would be quite popular.  An important point here, I think, is that the economic policy should not be based on what could be characterized as "handouts."  The popular view appears to be that people should be fairly rewarded for work (livable minimum wage), but shouldn't be given handouts by the government (everything falling under the shorthand of "welfare").   And, of course, rather freely throwing around the term "racist" doesn't appear to be a popular social policy.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rkbabang on November 06, 2020, 07:56:45 AM
The good news for Republicans is the election was a pretty serious repudiation of much of what the Democrats wanted to do (environment, bigger government, higher taxes etc). The US will not be moving policy wise much closer to Europe / Canada.

The Republicans are in the process of displacing the Democrats as the party for working class families. If the Democrats stay hard-left policy wise the Republicans could get the House back in 2 years.

Never a dull moment in American politics :-)

PS: Democrats do not understand why Trump is so popular. They better get in figured out soon! (I am not optimistic.)

On the other hand, one large group of voters who went for Trump twice (Florida) also passed by referendum a $15 minimum wage and felon enfranchisement.  So, I think a combination of fairly left economic policy (but don't call it "socialism"!) and fairly conservative social policy would be quite popular.  An important point here, I think, is that the economic policy should not be based on what could be characterized as "handouts."  The popular view appears to be that people should be fairly rewarded for work (livable minimum wage), but shouldn't be given handouts by the government (everything falling under the shorthand of "welfare").   And, of course, rather freely throwing around the term "racist" doesn't appear to be a popular social policy.

Yes that is pretty scary.  A left leaning social policy and a right leaning financial policy could be called libertarian leaning, but the opposite, a right leaning social policy with leftist economics, is leaning too close to fascism for my tastes.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 06, 2020, 08:44:00 AM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.

Aren’t you fresh out of college?

This would...........explain a lot.

Pussy ballots
Fresh out of college
Koomala Harris


Just what comes to mind. Do you really want people to associate this kind of stuff with your name?

It's getting embarrassing to watch considering you and Castanza are intelligible on most other topics outside of politics.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 06, 2020, 09:37:53 AM
Jerry Nadler expresses his opinion about Biden's 'Victory'.

https://youtu.be/-3_ALLadQ1M

ps: nothing to add....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 06, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.

Aren’t you fresh out of college?

This would...........explain a lot.

Pussy ballots
Fresh out of college
Koomala Harris


Just what comes to mind. Do you really want people to associate this kind of stuff with your name?

It's getting embarrassing to watch considering you and Castanza are intelligible on most other topics outside of politics.

No thanks. Never been my cup of tea. I care not one iota what others think of me. Like me? Great. Dislike me? Great. Immature/childish? Sure. Doesnt bother me. Doesnt effect my well being and I dont need anyones acceptance to do what I want in life. Its quite liberating. Was only really a problem for me as a kid where the system is setup so you are reliant of the discretion of others. Ironically enough, with age you come to realize many of those types, the "authority figures" are actually very little people. I'm the guy who will go to an AGM in casual attire while the suits wear their best outfits, expensive watches and shoes, and puff their chests out pretending to be so important but ultimately acting this way so that others accept them and "think" they are important. And what they think of me? Irrelevant to me, and amusing because I likely have more expensive suits, shoes, and watches than most of them...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 06, 2020, 12:06:11 PM
Jerry Nadler expresses his opinion about Biden's 'Victory'.

https://youtu.be/-3_ALLadQ1M

ps: nothing to add....

Oh, my god - Good thing the Democratic leadership insists on wearing masks!!!

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 06, 2020, 12:10:28 PM
^ Back at ya'

Trump Concession Speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDH3MX4MYI

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 06, 2020, 03:09:54 PM
PS. Do you guys ever check out the garbage you rely on for news?

Wikipedia:
The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

You might want to check out the National Inquirer as a more reliable source for your news.

Oh, yeah, make me laugh - Wikipedia - that censors just about everything right wing! Laughing my ass off!

The objective standard!

So Wiki is anti right. Main stream media is anti right. CBC, BBC, and most of the media all around the world is anti right...

Facts are anti right.

Aren’t you fresh out of college?

This would...........explain a lot.

Pussy ballots
Fresh out of college
Koomala Harris


Just what comes to mind. Do you really want people to associate this kind of stuff with your name?

It's getting embarrassing to watch considering you and Castanza are intelligible on most other topics outside of politics.

Well have you seen their responses? They’re pretty much textbook fresh college grad. And I believe they said they recently graduated.

Smart as a whip and apparently a lot of emotional angst for anything “right wing”.

Really it was more of an observation. Not intended as an insult.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 06, 2020, 03:14:13 PM
^ Back at ya'

Trump Concession Speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDH3MX4MYI

Don't you mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th5uVIhQ8VY&t=253s
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 06, 2020, 03:47:01 PM

Well have you seen their responses? They’re pretty much textbook fresh college grad. And I believe they said they recently graduated.

Smart as a whip and apparently a lot of emotional angst for anything “right wing”.

Really it was more of an observation. Not intended as an insult.

You know you can click on my username and check all my posts. Go ahead look up when I said I recently graduated. As for being "smart as a whip" thanks for the complement.

I don't have anything against conservatives. I do have something against people making racial comments. I also don't like science deniers and liars who have cost almost 200,000 excess American lives. 120,000 cases today and heading up.  We have 4x the Population of Germany. If we had controlled like they did we would be at approx. 45,000 deaths not approx. 245,000 deaths. The main culprit is not obesity. Its putting politics above peoples lives which is why Germany has 600,000 cases and we have 10 million. Adjusted for population we would have 2.5 million cases.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 06, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
You must have missed the History courses, amigo. There are vast structural, as well as cultural differences between the US and Germany. Its also pretty wild to hold one person responsible for a virus, especially when the bulk of the obscene death rates occur in states that are hostile to the President and wouldn't listen to him anyway. But to each their own opinion. How many flu cases did we have today? What about seasonally derived allergic reactions? Cuz for most, the symptoms are the same. Yet the infatuation isn't.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 06, 2020, 04:11:00 PM
It is an obsession that they are suffering from and it is called TDS.

Everything is Trump's fault. A bandit, killer, racist, you name it.
'
And what must be most frustrating to them is that after 3 extra days of counting, they are still not capable of getting rid of him. It was supposed to be a landslide because the man was so repulsive that most Republicans would turn against him.

Then think how incensed they are going to get once this vote counting is over and they realize that he is still there with all his power for the next two months?

Cardboard


Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 06, 2020, 04:14:56 PM
It is an obsession that they are suffering from and it is called TDS.

Everything is Trump's fault. A bandit, killer, racist, you name it.
'
And what must be most frustrating to them is that after 3 extra days of counting, they are still not capable of getting rid of him. It was supposed to be a landslide because the man was so repulsive that most Republicans would turn against him.

Then think how incensed they are going to get once this vote counting is over and they realize that he is still there with all his power for the next two months?

Cardboard
What's the thing you're suffering from called?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 06, 2020, 04:18:44 PM
You must have missed the History courses, amigo. There are vast structural, as well as cultural differences between the US and Germany. Its also pretty wild to hold one person responsible for a virus, especially when the bulk of the obscene death rates occur in states that are hostile to the President and wouldn't listen to him anyway. But to each their own opinion. How many flu cases did we have today? What about seasonally derived allergic reactions? Cuz for most, the symptoms are the same. Yet the infatuation isn't.

This is America. If Germany can do it. WE CAN DO IT. I'm not holding one person responsible but with power comes responsibility and the more power you have the more responsible you are.

Covid-19 with lockdowns has killed more people in 8 months than Flu has without lockdowns in years. Its because we don't have a Covid Vaccine and we cant behave like we do till we develop and deploy it.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 06, 2020, 04:25:19 PM
Why Germany's coronavirus strategy doesn't appear to be working this time around
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-germanys-coronavirus-strategy-doesnt-appear-to-be-working.html

Socialist answer: stay home, stay away from others, we will provide and still die of this, other or commit suicide.

I prefer liberty. Fate in human survival which did beat Spanish flu with no vaccine and population that went from 1.8 billion to around 8 billion.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 06, 2020, 05:48:32 PM
Why Germany's coronavirus strategy doesn't appear to be working this time around
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-germanys-coronavirus-strategy-doesnt-appear-to-be-working.html

Socialist answer: stay home, stay away from others, we will provide and still die of this, other or commit suicide.

I prefer liberty. Fate in human survival which did beat Spanish flu with no vaccine and population that went from 1.8 billion to around 8 billion.

Cardboard
I have no doubt that the human race will survive Sars-Cov-2. Like it survived the Spanish Flu (50 million dead), like it survived the plague (a lot more dead). I would just prefer that my fellow humans not die. Pretty weird that not dying is now a "socialist" thing! Used to be a human thing.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 06, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
Why Germany's coronavirus strategy doesn't appear to be working this time around
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-germanys-coronavirus-strategy-doesnt-appear-to-be-working.html

Socialist answer: stay home, stay away from others, we will provide and still die of this, other or commit suicide.


I prefer liberty. Fate in human survival which did beat Spanish flu with no vaccine and population that went from 1.8 billion to around 8 billion.

Cardboard

And there you go.....

An excellent example how Trump and his followers politicize a disease that has killed nearly a quarter million Americans.

Trump has been politicizing Covid since January and the result is that the guy who pledged to “make America great again” now leads a country that accounts for about 20% world Covid deaths while accounting for only 4% of the world population. 

You have to wonder, given the voting results, if Trump has figured out yet? Trying to score political points by lying about a disease that is ravaging the country and downplaying it, didn't go over all that well with voters.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 06, 2020, 06:17:57 PM
I really do love checking the politics threads after about 4 drinks, much more palatable!

Castanza, I mean OK but I didn’t think there was anything really out of left field. It’s like if I said, “well I disagree with you and you live in the woods and hunt rabbits for dinner, so what the hell do you know???”

And frankly I’m sick of hearing about how “the media” is so left-leaning. Well if you have such a big problem with it,  stop whining and go start your own media outlet. I mean Trump got 60MM+ votes so the market certainly exists.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 06, 2020, 06:36:07 PM
I really do love checking the politics threads after about 4 drinks, much more palatable!

Castanza, I mean OK but I didn’t think there was anything really out of left field. It’s like if I said, “well I disagree with you and you live in the woods and hunt rabbits for dinner, so what the hell do you know???”

And frankly I’m sick of hearing about how “the media” is so left-leaning. Well if you have such a big problem with it,  stop whining and go start your own media outlet. I mean Trump got 60MM+ votes so the market certainly exists.

Just a conclusion I reached after a few exchanges with them.

What did I say about the media? I watch MSNBC if I watch the news. CNN and Fox are shit shows. Whoever can give me bullet points without spin is generally what I’ll read.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 06, 2020, 06:44:43 PM
I really do love checking the politics threads after about 4 drinks, much more palatable!

Castanza, I mean OK but I didn’t think there was anything really out of left field. It’s like if I said, “well I disagree with you and you live in the woods and hunt rabbits for dinner, so what the hell do you know???”

And frankly I’m sick of hearing about how “the media” is so left-leaning. Well if you have such a big problem with it,  stop whining and go start your own media outlet. I mean Trump got 60MM+ votes so the market certainly exists.

Just a conclusion I reached after a few exchanges with them.

What did I say about the media? I watch MSNBC if I watch the news. CNN and Fox are shit shows. Whoever can give me bullet points without spin is generally what I’ll read.
You may be very interested in Reuters.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 06, 2020, 07:03:43 PM
You must have missed the History courses, amigo. There are vast structural, as well as cultural differences between the US and Germany. Its also pretty wild to hold one person responsible for a virus, especially when the bulk of the obscene death rates occur in states that are hostile to the President and wouldn't listen to him anyway. But to each their own opinion. How many flu cases did we have today? What about seasonally derived allergic reactions? Cuz for most, the symptoms are the same. Yet the infatuation isn't.

This is America. If Germany can do it. WE CAN DO IT. I'm not holding one person responsible but with power comes responsibility and the more power you have the more responsible you are.

Covid-19 with lockdowns has killed more people in 8 months than Flu has without lockdowns in years. Its because we don't have a Covid Vaccine and we cant behave like we do till we develop and deploy it.

Shit Brother - what aren't you going about Cuomo - the mass murderer of NYC - and the other jokers in the Northest that accounted for 40% of the
deaths in the USA. Trump can't control those boys.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 06, 2020, 07:05:40 PM
Why Germany's coronavirus strategy doesn't appear to be working this time around
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-germanys-coronavirus-strategy-doesnt-appear-to-be-working.html

Socialist answer: stay home, stay away from others, we will provide and still die of this, other or commit suicide.

I prefer liberty. Fate in human survival which did beat Spanish flu with no vaccine and population that went from 1.8 billion to around 8 billion.

Cardboard

Only LOSERS like Joe Biden-Hiden stay locked up in their basements like babies.

Now that's a real Leader!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 06, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
I really do love checking the politics threads after about 4 drinks, much more palatable!


You are so right LC - but you're still on the wrong side!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 06, 2020, 10:21:55 PM
I really do love checking the politics threads after about 4 drinks, much more palatable!

Castanza, I mean OK but I didn’t think there was anything really out of left field. It’s like if I said, “well I disagree with you and you live in the woods and hunt rabbits for dinner, so what the hell do you know???”

And frankly I’m sick of hearing about how “the media” is so left-leaning. Well if you have such a big problem with it,  stop whining and go start your own media outlet. I mean Trump got 60MM+ votes so the market certainly exists.

Just a conclusion I reached after a few exchanges with them.

What did I say about the media? I watch MSNBC if I watch the news. CNN and Fox are shit shows. Whoever can give me bullet points without spin is generally what I’ll read.

Ok..hold on. MSNBC is your primary go to? I get that Rachel Maddow is a hard core outdoorsman(woman), which even in my book earns her cool points, but seriously? The Onion is more credible than MSNBC!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 07, 2020, 05:13:46 AM
I really do love checking the politics threads after about 4 drinks, much more palatable!

Castanza, I mean OK but I didn’t think there was anything really out of left field. It’s like if I said, “well I disagree with you and you live in the woods and hunt rabbits for dinner, so what the hell do you know???”

And frankly I’m sick of hearing about how “the media” is so left-leaning. Well if you have such a big problem with it,  stop whining and go start your own media outlet. I mean Trump got 60MM+ votes so the market certainly exists.

Just a conclusion I reached after a few exchanges with them.

What did I say about the media? I watch MSNBC if I watch the news. CNN and Fox are shit shows. Whoever can give me bullet points without spin is generally what I’ll read.

Ok..hold on. MSNBC is your primary go to? I get that Rachel Maddow is a hard core outdoorsman(woman), which even in my book earns her cool points, but seriously? The Onion is more credible than MSNBC!

Sorry, meant NBC nightly news (Lester Holt, etc). In general I dont watch TV much or the actually news. LOL Rachel Maddow is a joke.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 07, 2020, 06:44:11 AM
^ I was starting to worry about you!

At least Rachel Maddow is honest about being an opinion journalist - that I respect. Unlike the rest of the scum like Jim Acosta, Jake Tapper, etc
that claim to be objective newsmen.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 07, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
The good news for Republicans is the election was a pretty serious repudiation of much of what the Democrats wanted to do (environment, bigger government, higher taxes etc). The US will not be moving policy wise much closer to Europe / Canada.

The Republicans are in the process of displacing the Democrats as the party for working class families. If the Democrats stay hard-left policy wise the Republicans could get the House back in 2 years.

Never a dull moment in American politics :-)

PS: Democrats do not understand why Trump is so popular. They better get in figured out soon! (I am not optimistic.)

On the other hand, one large group of voters who went for Trump twice (Florida) also passed by referendum a $15 minimum wage and felon enfranchisement.  So, I think a combination of fairly left economic policy (but don't call it "socialism"!) and fairly conservative social policy would be quite popular.  An important point here, I think, is that the economic policy should not be based on what could be characterized as "handouts."  The popular view appears to be that people should be fairly rewarded for work (livable minimum wage), but shouldn't be given handouts by the government (everything falling under the shorthand of "welfare").   And, of course, rather freely throwing around the term "racist" doesn't appear to be a popular social policy.

I thought that the outcome in this referendum on a $15 minus wage is a pretty remarkable result, if you think about this, This occurred at the same time when Trump won the state pretty convincingly, so it is not a right vs left kind of vote. This referendum was decidedly passed with 60% of the votes. min wage will go from $8.56 to $10 next year and then increase by $1 annually.

Democrats also should think about this in terms of how they resonate with voters, imo. You would think they those 60% that voted for this bill should be inclined to vote Democrats, but clearly they didn’t.

My take is that voters simply vote on self interest and much less on issues  like the green deal or even racial equality. You can see s similar thing with CA on the vote for Prop 22 which is counter the CA government law on the gig economy. Sure, Lyft and Uber bankrolled Prop 22, but most voters were quite aware of this and still voted for it. My guess is that they just like Lyft and Uber’s service and don’t see a point of going back to taxis. Again more a vote based on Self interest than on any overarching agenda.

Dems need to be careful, because in some ways  Republicans could become the workers party. Biden was able to just win back enough workers in crucial states to eke out a victory, but it’s not given if it stays that way if Republicans can mount a creditable candidate in 2024 and Democratic policies disappoint.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/524379-florida-approves-15-minimum-wage (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/524379-florida-approves-15-minimum-wage)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 07, 2020, 06:12:53 PM
Guilani first press conference regarding the election challenge from Four seasons landscaping:

I suspect they picked the wrong Four seasons , but what do I know:
(https://i.imgur.com/1XinKxg.jpg)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 08, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
The good news for Republicans is the election was a pretty serious repudiation of much of what the Democrats wanted to do (environment, bigger government, higher taxes etc). The US will not be moving policy wise much closer to Europe / Canada.

The Republicans are in the process of displacing the Democrats as the party for working class families. If the Democrats stay hard-left policy wise the Republicans could get the House back in 2 years.

Never a dull moment in American politics :-)

PS: Democrats do not understand why Trump is so popular. They better get in figured out soon! (I am not optimistic.)

On the other hand, one large group of voters who went for Trump twice (Florida) also passed by referendum a $15 minimum wage and felon enfranchisement.  So, I think a combination of fairly left economic policy (but don't call it "socialism"!) and fairly conservative social policy would be quite popular.  An important point here, I think, is that the economic policy should not be based on what could be characterized as "handouts."  The popular view appears to be that people should be fairly rewarded for work (livable minimum wage), but shouldn't be given handouts by the government (everything falling under the shorthand of "welfare").   And, of course, rather freely throwing around the term "racist" doesn't appear to be a popular social policy.

I thought that the outcome in this referendum on a $15 minus wage is a pretty remarkable result, if you think about this, This occurred at the same time when Trump won the state pretty convincingly, so it is not a right vs left kind of vote. This referendum was decidedly passed with 60% of the votes. min wage will go from $8.56 to $10 next year and then increase by $1 annually.

Democrats also should think about this in terms of how they resonate with voters, imo. You would think they those 60% that voted for this bill should be inclined to vote Democrats, but clearly they didn’t.

My take is that voters simply vote on self interest and much less on issues  like the green deal or even racial equality. You can see s similar thing with CA on the vote for Prop 22 which is counter the CA government law on the gig economy. Sure, Lyft and Uber bankrolled Prop 22, but most voters were quite aware of this and still voted for it. My guess is that they just like Lyft and Uber’s service and don’t see a point of going back to taxis. Again more a vote based on Self interest than on any overarching agenda.

Dems need to be careful, because in some ways  Republicans could become the workers party. Biden was able to just win back enough workers in crucial states to eke out a victory, but it’s not given if it stays that way if Republicans can mount a creditable candidate in 2024 and Democratic policies disappoint.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/524379-florida-approves-15-minimum-wage (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/524379-florida-approves-15-minimum-wage)

Another proposition , also in a blue state (until recently that is) from AZ raises the taxes by 3.5% for income earnings above 250k to pay for schools (Prop 208).
 https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Proposition_208,_Tax_on_Incomes_Exceeding_$250,000_for_Teacher_Salaries_and_Schools_Initiative_(2020) (https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Proposition_208,_Tax_on_Incomes_Exceeding_$250,000_for_Teacher_Salaries_and_Schools_Initiative_(2020))

Schools are in a lot of  financial trouble now due to COVID-19  and mostly states had to close the funding gaps. I don’t know the situation in AZ that well, but suspect this was a driver. There has been very little (if any ) federal help to pay for the added COVID-19 expenses and that seems to be what this proposition tries to address. This proposition passed narrowly by ~52% vs 48%.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Castanza on November 08, 2020, 05:44:43 PM
^ I was starting to worry about you!

At least Rachel Maddow is honest about being an opinion journalist - that I respect. Unlike the rest of the scum like Jim Acosta, Jake Tapper, etc
that claim to be objective newsmen.

Don’t forget Brian Steltars “Reliable Sources”  ;D
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 19, 2020, 03:29:26 PM
I have been saying for 4 years that Trump should be held accountable for what he says and does... both good and bad. Unfortunately, he just keeps doing destructive and destabilizing things. The fact that a sitting President is openly attempting to destroy the US political system and 244 years of rules and norms is completely crazy. The man clearly is deranged. Equally concerning is the utter inability of Republicans to put a stop to his behaviour.

The latest example:

Presidential Transition Live Updates: Trump Invites State Lawmakers to White House in Bid to Subvert Election
- https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/19/us/joe-biden-trump-updates?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#trump-tries-to-subvert-the-election-inviting-michigan-gop-lawmakers-to-the-white-house

After failing repeatedly in court to overturn election results, President Trump is taking the extraordinary step of reaching out directly to Republican state legislators as he tries to subvert the Electoral College process, inviting Michigan lawmakers to meet with him at the White House on Friday.

A source with knowledge of the trip said that Mr. Trump would meet with Michigan’s Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, and speaker of the House, Lee Chatfield, late Friday afternoon. Both lawmakers are Republicans who have said that whoever has the most votes in Michigan after the results are certified will get the state’s 16 electoral votes.

The White House invitation to Republican lawmakers in a battleground state is the latest — and the most brazen — salvo in a scattershot campaign-after-the-campaign waged by Mr. Trump and his allies to cast doubt on President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s decisive victory.

It comes as the Trump campaign and its allies have been seeking to overturn the results of the election in multiple states through lawsuits and intrusions into the state vote certification process, often targeting cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Atlanta with large and politically powerful Black populations. Mr. Trump himself reached out personally to at least one election official in Wayne County, Mich., home of Detroit, who tried to decertify the results there.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 19, 2020, 06:24:59 PM
You cannot get due process in lower courts on politically charged matters because they are filled with Liberal/Democrat judges. So you need to be creative to get people to truly look into frauds.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: patience_and_focus on November 19, 2020, 07:47:39 PM
You cannot get due process in lower courts on politically charged matters because they are filled with Liberal/Democrat judges. So you need to be creative to get people to truly look into frauds.

Cardboard

Like this I suppose -

Georgia official says Graham asked him about tossing ballots
https://apnews.com/article/georgia-official-graham-tossing-ballots-281416294b5c54c6535f8ffaab4322a2

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Monday that U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham asked him whether he had the power to reject certain absentee ballots, a question he interpreted as a suggestion to toss out legally cast votes. Raffensperger made the comments to The Washington Post, saying he’s faced rising pressure from fellow Republicans who want to see Democrat Joe Biden’s narrow lead in the state reversed.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Wouldn't exactly call the Pennsylvania Supreme Court a "lower court". Also if you need a partisan court to win, maybe there's a problem with your case. Furthermore the Trump Campaign itself has pleaded in their briefs that there was no fraud. That's one really creative way took into fraud. I think they'll start to teach it in law schools.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 19, 2020, 08:23:24 PM
This Presidency is quickly devolving into a circus. The silver lining in all of this is it is providing clear evidence to Trump supporters just how deranged this man’s mind truly is. This will hopefully lessen his appeal when he finally leaves the White House in January.

Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/fact-checking-craziest-news-conference-trump-presidency/

“What we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba and likely China and the interference with our elections here in the United States.”
— Sidney Powell, attorney for the Trump campaign, Nov. 19

This is just a snippet of a truly bonkers presentation made by attorneys for the Trump campaign alleging massive fraud in the U.S. voting system.

Powell described a convoluted scheme under which an “algorithm” manipulated by Democrats switched votes from Trump to Biden. But she claimed it broke down because support was so strong for Trump, so Democrats were forced to use a “back door” method to manipulate the vote with mail-in ballots slipped in during the dark of night.

If this sounds crazy, that’s because it is.

There is no evidence to support any of these conspiracy theories. It would require election workers across many states to be engaged in a massive fraud scheme that won Biden the presidency but failed to flip the Senate from Republican control and cost the Democrats seats in the House.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 19, 2020, 09:02:22 PM
This Presidency is quickly devolving into a circus. The silver lining in all of this is it is providing clear evidence to Trump supporters just how deranged this man’s mind truly is. This will hopefully lessen his appeal when he finally leaves the White House in January.

Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/fact-checking-craziest-news-conference-trump-presidency/

“What we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba and likely China and the interference with our elections here in the United States.”
— Sidney Powell, attorney for the Trump campaign, Nov. 19

This is just a snippet of a truly bonkers presentation made by attorneys for the Trump campaign alleging massive fraud in the U.S. voting system.

Powell described a convoluted scheme under which an “algorithm” manipulated by Democrats switched votes from Trump to Biden. But she claimed it broke down because support was so strong for Trump, so Democrats were forced to use a “back door” method to manipulate the vote with mail-in ballots slipped in during the dark of night.

If this sounds crazy, that’s because it is.

There is no evidence to support any of these conspiracy theories. It would require election workers across many states to be engaged in a massive fraud scheme that won Biden the presidency but failed to flip the Senate from Republican control and cost the Democrats seats in the House.
You missed the part about how it was directed by Hugo Chavez!

I'm not making this up. That's how crazy this shit is!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 20, 2020, 03:49:08 AM
This Presidency is quickly devolving into a circus. The silver lining in all of this is it is providing clear evidence to Trump supporters just how deranged this man’s mind truly is. This will hopefully lessen his appeal when he finally leaves the White House in January.

Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/fact-checking-craziest-news-conference-trump-presidency/

“What we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba and likely China and the interference with our elections here in the United States.”
— Sidney Powell, attorney for the Trump campaign, Nov. 19

This is just a snippet of a truly bonkers presentation made by attorneys for the Trump campaign alleging massive fraud in the U.S. voting system.

Powell described a convoluted scheme under which an “algorithm” manipulated by Democrats switched votes from Trump to Biden. But she claimed it broke down because support was so strong for Trump, so Democrats were forced to use a “back door” method to manipulate the vote with mail-in ballots slipped in during the dark of night.

If this sounds crazy, that’s because it is.

There is no evidence to support any of these conspiracy theories. It would require election workers across many states to be engaged in a massive fraud scheme that won Biden the presidency but failed to flip the Senate from Republican control and cost the Democrats seats in the House.
You missed the part about how it was directed by Hugo Chavez!

I'm not making this up. That's how crazy this shit is!

I guess they don’t know that Chavez has been dead for 7 years.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Simple Investor on November 20, 2020, 07:25:14 AM
I'm starting to wonder if this will cause longer term issues for the republican party.  I'm currently a Registered Independent who voted equally democrat and republican in this election.  I'm angry with the republican party for this lack of transition and not responding publicly to Trump's unwillingness to accept the results.  I wonder if people will forget this in 2 - 4 years (I think that's the case) or will hold a grudge. 

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Simple Investor on November 20, 2020, 07:28:44 AM
So much irony on all sides.  Trump lambasted Biden for hiding out and now the tables have turned.  Trump hiding in his basement.   Assuming the WH has one. 
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 07:34:21 AM
So much irony on all sides.  Trump lambasted Biden for hiding out and now the tables have turned.  Trump hiding in his basement.   Assuming the WH has one.
It does.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 20, 2020, 08:39:05 AM
Trump campaign press conference (Giuliani, Powell etc) is must watch, If you really want to understand what is going on, don't rely on secondary "news" sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ



You know they're on to something, because CNN won't even cover that!

Keilar explains why CNN didn't air Giuliani's 'bananas' briefing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNgEWxPYRo&t

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2020, 09:12:27 AM
Trump campaign press conference (Giuliani, Powell etc) is must watch, If you really want to understand what is going on, don't rely on secondary "news" sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ



You know they're on to something, because CNN won't even cover that!

Keilar explains why CNN didn't air Giuliani's 'bananas' briefing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNgEWxPYRo&t

Ok, i will bite. Where is the ‘smoking gun’. Trump is making very serious accusations. Given the gravity of his accusations it only makes sense he has irrefutable and obvious proof. Where is the quote in this press conference that offers irrefutable evidence of election fraud? The simple answer is there is none :-) 

There is a reason outlets like CNN limit coverage. Why give liars a pulpit to spew their lies? The way you deal with Trump’s lies is you limit coverage... remove the oxygen.

The real issue for Trump: why would anyone ever believe anything Trump says moving forward? Sad to see. ‘Crazy Uncle’ is such a good descriptor.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 09:33:10 AM
Yea the same standards certainly applied to the Russia Hoax, eh? Didnt want to give the liars a pulp....oh wait. Nothing partisan or biased about it at all.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 09:40:00 AM
Yea the same standards certainly applied to the Russia Hoax, eh? Didnt want to give the liars a pulp....oh wait. Nothing partisan or biased about it at all.

Low thought response, Greg.
Both matters have been investigated.

The difference is that:
Trump is still screaming about fraud, despite being proven wrong.
CNN no longer screams about collusion, having been proven wrong.

Do you see how one group accepts contrary evidence and the other does not?

I mean, do you still think the earth is flat or something?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 09:44:21 AM
CNN got 3+ years to scream, lied repeatedly about smoking guns that didnt exist, and definitely showed a vested interest in the outcome.

With this? Its been what? 2 weeks lol, come on!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
Well, then I guess we've got another 2 months of Trump crying to mommy and daddy that the older kids were mean to him.

In which case I'll echo Viking's comments above.

At some point you've got to move the alcohol slightly out of reach of the crazy uncle.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 20, 2020, 10:54:35 AM
The allegations, evidence, facts provided in this press conference are stunning. I agree it is a must watch.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
CNN got 3+ years to scream, lied repeatedly about smoking guns that didnt exist, and definitely showed a vested interest in the outcome.

With this? Its been what? 2 weeks lol, come on!

I am sorry, i am not following your logic. The President, the most important person in the US, is openly attempting to destroy 244 years of election rules and norms. In plain sight. Nothing he alleges has been proven (beyond what normally happens in every election in the US). So the President is openly lying to the American public.

And this is ok because of something CNN did? Really?

At some point people need to stop trying to justify Trump’s destructive behaviour.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 20, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
Before regurgitating endlessly the same garbage Viking why don't you watch the video then lecture us about 244 years of election rules?

If you don't find anything of substance then you can go on saying this was 100% Kosher.

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2020, 12:35:27 PM
Before regurgitating endlessly the same garbage Viking why don't you watch the video then lecture us about 244 years of election rules?

If you don't find anything of substance then you can go on saying this was 100% Kosher.

Cardboard

Cardboard, if you have watched the video and it convinces you that there has been massive election fraud in the US; that laws have been broken; that people did nefarious things; that people need to go to jail for their wrongdoing; that courts will imminently be sending people to jail amd ruling in Trump’s favour then there is absolutely nothing i can say right now that will help you.

Personally, watching the video i see alot of ufo sightings. Red meat for those who believe ufo’s might exist.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
Both sides here are wasting their time and energy. This is just how it works, and how its always worked. The side that wins, doesnt care how they won, and the side that lost makes excuses and plays games. But the result will still be the same one I said it would be from the get go. Letting the noise in between bother you is just silly.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
Both sides here are wasting their time and energy. This is just how it works, and how its always worked. The side that wins, doesnt care how they won, and the side that lost makes excuses and plays games. But the result will still be the same one I said it would be from the get go. Letting the noise in between bother you is just silly.
Nope, that's not how it always worked.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
Both sides here are wasting their time and energy. This is just how it works, and how its always worked. The side that wins, doesnt care how they won, and the side that lost makes excuses and plays games. But the result will still be the same one I said it would be from the get go. Letting the noise in between bother you is just silly.
I mean, there was a recount in the key state.

I didn't see Hillary crying for recounts when she lost (by a slimmer margin).

Some people are just sad losers, and are being exposed. To your credit I would not lump you in that category.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 12:49:00 PM
Excellent value add comment, as always rb. Unless maybe you're referring to how it works in Canada, since you're the expert there. We just had 4 years of a sore loser candidate and party making unsubstantiated claims about election interference and fraud and all sorts of nefarious deeds. I'll try to pull up a few articles for you...it was quite something. Perhaps after reading all of that, you won't be shocked and captivated but whats occurring now. Nevertheless, there'll still be nothing getting in the way of a new President come January. Its all just entertainment and the media love it and they also love that you people love it so much. Its great for business!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
Excellent value add comment, as always rb. Unless maybe you're referring to how it works in Canada, since you're the expert there. We just had 4 years of a sore loser candidate and party making unsubstantiated claims about election interference and fraud and all sorts of nefarious deeds. I'll try to pull up a few articles for you...it was quite something. Perhaps after reading all of that, you won't be shocked and captivated but whats occurring now. Nevertheless, there'll still be nothing getting in the way of a new President come January. Its all just entertainment and the media love it and they also love that you people love it so much. Its great for business!
Well lets see:

2016: Election November 8, Clinton gives concession speech Nov 9. GSA begins transition next day. This election was won by much slimmer margins than the current one. In this one Biden won PA alone by more votes than Trump won PA, MI, WI combined.

2008: November 4, McCain concedes the night of. GSA begins transition next day. What follows is probably the best and most orderly transition in history.

How far back do you want to go?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 01:25:41 PM
Oh yea, definitely. The hysteria around 2016 from Clinton and Democrats definitely ended on November 9....
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
Was there hysteria from the President of the United States?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 20, 2020, 01:29:35 PM
Before regurgitating endlessly the same garbage Viking why don't you watch the video then lecture us about 244 years of election rules?

If you don't find anything of substance then you can go on saying this was 100% Kosher.

Cardboard

Cardboard, if you have watched the video and it convinces you that there has been massive election fraud in the US; that laws have been broken; that people did nefarious things; that people need to go to jail for their wrongdoing; that courts will imminently be sending people to jail amd ruling in Trump’s favour then there is absolutely nothing i can say right now that will help you.

Personally, watching the video i see alot of ufo sightings. Red meat for those who believe ufo’s might exist.

https://twitter.com/LLinWood
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 20, 2020, 01:39:11 PM
Was there hysteria from the President of the United States?

He was definitely more discreet about his. Nothing like having the FBI and Justice Department do your bidding.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 20, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
CNN got 3+ years to scream, lied repeatedly about smoking guns that didnt exist, and definitely showed a vested interest in the outcome.

With this? Its been what? 2 weeks lol, come on!

I am sorry, i am not following your logic. The President, the most important person in the US, is openly attempting to destroy 244 years of election rules and norms. In plain sight. Nothing he alleges has been proven (beyond what normally happens in every election in the US). So the President is openly lying to the American public.

And this is ok because of something CNN did? Really?

At some point people need to stop trying to justify Trump’s destructive behaviour.

Yeah, this is some kind of joke, right?

4 years of the DNC leadership throwing hoax after hoax at the American people - paralyzing government and polarizing the country.

4 years - and Trump is legitimately contesting illegal votes for 2 weeks.

You really do think we are stupid.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2020, 05:08:26 PM
CNN got 3+ years to scream, lied repeatedly about smoking guns that didnt exist, and definitely showed a vested interest in the outcome.

With this? Its been what? 2 weeks lol, come on!

I am sorry, i am not following your logic. The President, the most important person in the US, is openly attempting to destroy 244 years of election rules and norms. In plain sight. Nothing he alleges has been proven (beyond what normally happens in every election in the US). So the President is openly lying to the American public.

And this is ok because of something CNN did? Really?

At some point people need to stop trying to justify Trump’s destructive behaviour.

Yeah, this is some kind of joke, right?

4 years of the DNC leadership throwing hoax after hoax at the American people - paralyzing government and polarizing the country.

4 years - and Trump is legitimately contesting illegal votes for 2 weeks.

You really do think we are stupid.

So if CNN or the DNC do stupid things that then means Trump can do stupid things? Solid logic. (Not)

Trump is ‘legitimately contesting illegal votes’? Solid fact based conclusion. (Not)

But hey, at least i understand where you are coming from.

PS: i am not saying anyone is stupid (that word was your choice). People believe what they want to believe. Just like lots of people believe ufo’s are real. I can respect that :-)

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 07:17:09 PM
Before regurgitating endlessly the same garbage Viking why don't you watch the video then lecture us about 244 years of election rules?

If you don't find anything of substance then you can go on saying this was 100% Kosher.

Cardboard

Cardboard, if you have watched the video and it convinces you that there has been massive election fraud in the US; that laws have been broken; that people did nefarious things; that people need to go to jail for their wrongdoing; that courts will imminently be sending people to jail amd ruling in Trump’s favour then there is absolutely nothing i can say right now that will help you.

Personally, watching the video i see alot of ufo sightings. Red meat for those who believe ufo’s might exist.

https://twitter.com/LLinWood
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.54.0_2_1.pdf
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: JRM on November 21, 2020, 07:04:08 AM
Some more fake news from the deplorables: https://themichiganstar.com/2020/11/18/general-thomas-mcinerney-outlines-new-evidence-alleging-nationwide-ballot-tampering-to-prevent-trump-landslide/?fbclid=IwAR3lj113R8USkG-Rj7Eeo82efV81ZV6RIaYPFqkd_DnLD7XPja2hlqWGtws (https://themichiganstar.com/2020/11/18/general-thomas-mcinerney-outlines-new-evidence-alleging-nationwide-ballot-tampering-to-prevent-trump-landslide/?fbclid=IwAR3lj113R8USkG-Rj7Eeo82efV81ZV6RIaYPFqkd_DnLD7XPja2hlqWGtws)

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 21, 2020, 08:44:42 AM
This again, the “Evidence is coming in a few days!” line? How much is project veritas paying you?

Shouldn’t Hillary be in jail by now?
Did you find Hunter’s laptop yet?
Look, over there! It’s the deep state!!
Didn’t Trump drain the swamp???
Why isn’t Obama in jail too? I thought you had evidence of his crimes?

Only bottom feeders continue to eat this crap up.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: rb on November 21, 2020, 08:58:07 AM
The beautiful evidence is coming a few days after the tremendous Trump healthcare plan.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 21, 2020, 10:45:13 PM
The beautiful evidence is coming a few days after the tremendous Trump healthcare plan.

Which will come soon after the tax returns are released.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 03:58:58 PM
Easy now, don't upset the Cult.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: adesigar on November 22, 2020, 07:15:10 PM
Easy now, don't upset the Cult.

I think the election did that already.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 05:43:27 PM
As expected by anyone not under some form of derangement, after some tussling and antics, Trump administration begins transition. Think we get a mea culpa, I was wrong for the millionth time from the usual suspects? Or do they just slink away quietly and then pop up again like whack a moles the next time there's a super duper controversy the media drums up?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 23, 2020, 07:03:12 PM
Nah, they will be back.So if you like whacking moles keep your hammer in shape!

Obama blamed Bush for his first 7 years or so. How long Biden, Cwericb and the others?

When did Hillary stop blaming the Russians for her loss? Still being mentioned just a few weeks ago.

Remember that they wanted to jail Trump for some crimes... Still have not heard what it is but, anyway...

Then God forbid Trump write a book or give interviews/conferences for money. That will be taking advantage of his previous position in office. Because as we all know Democraps never do that...

Cardboard

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 23, 2020, 07:19:24 PM
According to FOX even Rush Limbaugh is fed up with Trump and his antics... “They promised 'bombshells' at press conference and 'nothing happened'.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Spekulatius on November 24, 2020, 04:09:13 AM
Trump’s lawsuits go out with a whimper, but he has got to keep the flame alive for the die hard followers. That’s what this about. Trump never loses and if he does, it’s because it was fraud from the left.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 24, 2020, 10:57:50 AM
Patrick Byrne says there is ENOUGH EVIDENCE to overturn the election!

https://youtu.be/wcKG6O2nQuc?t=161

Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 24, 2020, 12:13:14 PM
Wasn't this Parsad's hero for a long while?

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: John Hjorth on November 24, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Value^2,

Please post in the investment ideas forum about what you're doing with your portfolio [ and why], instead of only being active in the Politics forum.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 25, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Lou Dobbs Asks Sidney Powell If the Trump Presidency Will Be ‘Saved’ as Transition Begins and Other Allies Say It’s Over

https://youtu.be/KpT2Rz4rTWM?t=400



Value^2,

Please post in the investment ideas forum about what you're doing with your portfolio [ and why], instead of only being active in the Politics forum.

Hi John, I will be writing more about investing, after this election fraud is sorted out.

Meanwhile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZR1u7zV0k
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 25, 2020, 08:34:22 AM
Why the hell should he write about anything else?

How many members are never or rarely posting anything into investment section? What value do they add to other participants?

Cardboard

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 25, 2020, 09:38:46 AM
Patrick Byrne: Dissecting The Electronic Steal

https://youtu.be/5fs3tKtmiEA?t=120

Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 27, 2020, 12:31:12 AM
Patrick Byrne: Dissecting The Electronic Steal

https://youtu.be/5fs3tKtmiEA?t=120

Cheers!

How does Patrick explain the hand counts of paper totals matching up with the computer count totals?  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 27, 2020, 08:18:14 AM
Patrick Byrne: Dissecting The Electronic Steal

https://youtu.be/5fs3tKtmiEA?t=120

Cheers!

How does Patrick explain the hand counts of paper totals matching up with the computer count totals?  Cheers!

https://twitter.com/robobbobpv58/status/1329578572089012230

I'm no Patrick, but i assume that's possible when you bring truckloads of ballots middle of the night and let democrats handle the counting.

Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 27, 2020, 09:13:09 AM
Patrick Byrne: Dissecting The Electronic Steal

https://youtu.be/5fs3tKtmiEA?t=120

Cheers!

How does Patrick explain the hand counts of paper totals matching up with the computer count totals?  Cheers!

https://twitter.com/robobbobpv58/status/1329578572089012230

I'm no Patrick, but i assume that's possible when you bring truckloads of ballots middle of the night and let democrats handle the counting.

Cheers!

Yes, of course this was done while Republican workers and observers were in the room...as they were.  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Parsad on November 27, 2020, 09:17:18 AM
Wasn't this Parsad's hero for a long while?

Cardboard

Haha!  This shot at me logically works against you Cardboard.

Either Sanjeev is as crazy as Patrick Byrne, thus Patrick's argument for voter fraud is conspiracy vomit.

Or Sanjeev was a brilliant supporter of Patrick Byrne, who dug up this evidence on voter fraud.

Which is it?  Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cubsfan on November 27, 2020, 02:10:35 PM
Patrick Byrne: Dissecting The Electronic Steal

https://youtu.be/5fs3tKtmiEA?t=120

Cheers!

How does Patrick explain the hand counts of paper totals matching up with the computer count totals?  Cheers!

https://twitter.com/robobbobpv58/status/1329578572089012230

I'm no Patrick, but i assume that's possible when you bring truckloads of ballots middle of the night and let democrats handle the counting.

Cheers!

Yes, of course this was done while Republican workers and observers were in the room...as they were.  Cheers!

Oh, you talking about those observers that were not allowed to observe?

Yup, those must be the ones.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 27, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
There was no real shot Parsad.

Patrick Byrne was your hero with Deep Capture when he uncovered short selling sophistication larger than we could imagine. Was kind of an Ah! Ah! moment for some of us.

Today he is saying that something is amyss with Dominion system and now all of a sudden he is a crazy fool?

What about your admiration for Prem when he said that a Trump administration would be pro-business and it was time to cover his shorts? Did he become an imbecile?

Cardboard
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Value^2 on November 28, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
Ex-Overstock CEO Says He’s Put Together an ‘Army of Various Odd People’ to Save Trump

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-overstock-ceo-says-hes-put-together-an-army-of-various-odd-people-to-save-trump?ref=author

OAN interview: https://www.oann.com/tech-millionaire-funds-hacking-team-20-election-100-rigged/



Wouldn't it be nice, if Patrick ends up being instrumental and secures Trump's second term?

Cheers!
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 28, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
"Ex-Overstock CEO Says He’s Put Together an ‘Army of Various Odd People’ to Save Trump"

The word "ODD' is probably the operative word in the above sentence.  :)
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 01:19:07 PM
What about your admiration for Prem when he said that a Trump administration would be pro-business and it was time to cover his shorts? Did he become an imbecile
Cardboard

It was interesting when he did that.  In part, it contradicted an earlier comment of his from back when he lifted the shorts back in 2009 I think.  He said something about how they would keep an eye out for rising protectionism around the world. Then later he liked the protectionism candidate.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Cardboard on November 28, 2020, 01:38:36 PM
John North will probably warn you soon to post something useful in the investment section Ericopoly.

Cardboard

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
It really hurts to hear that you don't find my investment posts useful Cardboard.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 28, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
I will say, its bizarre how a lot of the liberals here like to masquerade around as "republicans"....Not really sure Eric, what you identify with these days, but Sanjeev used to tout you as this model of a conservative republican who rejected Trump, and I'm fairly certain you've claimed to be a conservative in the past...but its pretty easy to see through this as just a stunt or some kind of bizarre attempt to bring credibility ones way. For instance, no "Republican" regularly defends extreme left positions. No conservative would be against adding conservatives justices. Certainly no "Republican" is rooting for the Democrats to take control of the Senate in the Georgia runoff. You see the same thing from others, like the Lincoln Project frauds..."claiming" to be conservatives, but supporting pretty much every liberal cause and regularly advocating against anything conservative. In their case its simply to sucker stupid liberals into donations...but I dont really get what the motive is if you are a normal person with no financial incentive. And spare everyone the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" nonsense. Thats basically just a cute way of virtue signaling and claiming you like to be philanthropic/generous, just not with your own money...
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
I will say, its bizarre how a lot of the liberals here like to masquerade around as "republicans"

I am not registered as a Democrat or Republican.  I vote for the candidate.

I understand your point regarding the Senate.  But don't forget the Senate Majority leader would not bring the last Democrat-nominated Supreme Court nominee to a vote.  He is so partisan that it kept him from doing what he ever-so-recently heralded as his Constitutional duty to bring the President's nominees to a vote. 

I would not oppose a Senate majority led by Mitt Romney.  He is a man of integrity.

Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: LC on November 28, 2020, 04:22:41 PM
They’ve all got integrity until they get in power, then they get shitty. Some are just worse than others. The republicans lost a true conservative in McCain and are now stuck between Mitch and Trump. Hopefully Romney can pull more sway within the party if we get any pullback from Trump and his antics. You can see already on this site, there is a divide growing between the “right”. The conservatives are toning down their rhetoric now that Trump is leaving, while the zealots continue digging their hole even deeper. Hopefully the conservatives will out, but until that happens I’ll cast my lot in with Biden.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 28, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Biden is a perfectly fine choice. So was Romney. I mean lets get real, for folks like us, Hillary would have been ok. But we're not the ones who need it. With respect to those that do, I tend to see the ones on the right, are generally capable and hard working but lack skill/intellect...and the ones on the left are just lazy, materialistic and like whining. You're not going to find a one size fits all solution because you're dealing with two totally different animals.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 28, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
This would seem to be a good time for the more centralist members of both parties to step up to the plate and step into the spotlight - or is that political suicide at this time?
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: Gregmal on November 28, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
Like Howard Schultz? The establishment and MSM outfits made quick work of Schultz. The message has been sent loud and clear and reasonable, non corrupted people with the means to pursue it simply dont find all that comes with it appealing. Its a horrible risk/reward. Say what you want about Trump...look at the before and after. He had plenty of businesses, branding deals, and never a real legal problem. Always viewed as a bit of a pig, but nevertheless fit in quite well with the NY elite and those types. After 4 years in office he's got a million politically charged "investigations", impaired brands, RE thats a little tough to move right now, and even boring businesses like his Trump Collection business attire and shit banned from every department store. He's universally labelled a racist, homophobe, sexist, etc. He's a sexist, but the other stuff is a stretch. Point being none of these issue existed prior to getting into politics. And if you think it's Trump specific just look at the shit that they pulled during ONE WEEK that Howard said he was thinking of running. Better people dont want any part of this mess.
Title: Re: US Election Rules and Possible Outcomes On Election Day
Post by: cwericb on November 28, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
Unfortunately I agree that most of what you said is true about the political scene.  It seems today people only go into politics for what they think they can get out of it for themselves. The few who go into politics with good intentions are soon corrupted. But there are a few very strong and ethical individuals like McCain who manage to stay honest.