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Cigarbutt

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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2019, 07:17:47 PM »
Analyzing the "fentanyl crisis" from the supply side, you may want to consider the objective data that shows that most of the incremental production of the synthetic stuff is not coming from Mexican rapists but from Evil China.
Good to see you calling out "Evil China" and coming around to acknowledge the importance of the China supply side, via the Mexican border!
The underlying point is that addressing the supply issue without taking note of the demand side would be ineffective.
A question that remains unanswered is how a "wall" would work as it is widely recognized that most of the 'products' are coming through legal points of entry. ???
As for the language used, theses threads are not an area to 'win' arguments leading to attempts hoping to maintain some kind of adjusted active and constructive communication because I still think that everything has a crack in it, that's how the light gets in.




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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2019, 12:04:32 AM »
4 days ago today, 9 us citizens, all women and children were wiped out by a mexican cartel.

In Mexico.  They were Mormons who had been living in their compound for a couple of generations in Mexico.

How many Americans are killed by guns in the U.S. every year by U.S. citizens?  Where is the outcry for gun control within the United States, let alone this fear of dirty, Mexican, drug cartels killing Americans.

Remember how Eli Wallach was presented as the "Ugly" one in the "Good, The Bad, and the Ugly".  It seems as though that descriptor is still being used to describe Mexicans. 

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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2019, 05:19:09 AM »
"This is the thing though, the wall, as simplistic as it is, is basically all that CAN GET DONE. And even that, as you are seeing, is a difficult task, despite many Democrats previously having been in favor of one. Everyone can acknowledge there are better ways to handle this. The problem is that the Democrats are so despicable, they refuse to engage on even the most basic requests(like a wall), let alone more efficient methods. And even when they pretend to, THEY HOLD EVERYONE HOSTAGE, USING MINOR CONCESSIONS FOR BETTER BORDER SECURITY AS BARGAINING CHIPS, only showing a willingness to agree to cooperate, in exchange for concessions on many of their other ridiculous welfare and handout programs that abuse the taxpaying American citizen. So at the end of the day, the wall is not the best option, but its better than nothing, and its all that is realistically feasible because of the disgusting behavior of the current Democrat regime."

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As usual Gregmal and a few others are the logical fellows in these debates: they see reality for what it is, are open minded, looking to solve issues and not blindly following a cult.

Then look at the opposite or other responses: this won't work, let's address this issue instead and what not.

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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2019, 06:25:38 AM »
4 days ago today, 9 us citizens, all women and children were wiped out by a mexican cartel.

In Mexico.  They were Mormons who had been living in their compound for a couple of generations in Mexico.

How many Americans are killed by guns in the U.S. every year by U.S. citizens?  Where is the outcry for gun control within the United States, let alone this fear of dirty, Mexican, drug cartels killing Americans.

Remember how Eli Wallach was presented as the "Ugly" one in the "Good, The Bad, and the Ugly".  It seems as though that descriptor is still being used to describe Mexicans. 

Cheers!

Nobody said anything about mexicans as a people. That's you trying to turn this into a racial issue. Anytime the left starts losing that's your first go to. 

If Mexico is really just as safe and great as the us why are all these people trying to get into the US?  Why  aren't people moving to Mexico to escape the US?

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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2019, 06:49:32 AM »
Nobody in here has mentioned the reason for the drug war and the failure of the “war on drugs.”

- Gary Webb
- Make drugs legal

Violence, gangs, opioid crisis, mass incarceration, gang related crime all are a direct result of government. And what is the solution in place? More government and the reduction of individual liberty for law abiding citizens.


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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2019, 09:44:49 AM »
It seems that every time something is posted here everyone jumps up and says it is all the Democrats fault or it is all the Republicans fault.

For Pete's sake suck it up and look for solutions to solve the problems don't keep blaming everyone else for the problem. That won't fix anything.

Just for the record. I believe the Wall will help - some. I just think that it is basically a dumb waste of money could be much better spent. More manpower for starters. And back them up with more motion sensors etc. 

Spending money on manpower is actually very efficient in a financial sense.

A percentage goes right back to government through income tax and the rest goes into the local economy where much of that again taxed back. So rather than a big one time expense to contractors, you have an ongoing stimulus to the local economies along the border and in a lot of border towns that is much needed.
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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2019, 09:53:29 AM »
It seems that every time something is posted here everyone jumps up and says it is all the Democrats fault or it is all the Republicans fault.

For Pete's sake suck it up and look for solutions to solve the problems don't keep blaming everyone else for the problem. That won't fix anything.

Just for the record. I believe the Wall will help - some. I just think that it is basically a dumb waste of money could be much better spent. More manpower for starters. And back them up with more motion sensors etc. 

Spending money on manpower is actually very efficient in a financial sense.

A percentage goes right back to government through income tax and the rest goes into the local economy where much of that again taxed back. So rather than a big one time expense to contractors, you have an ongoing stimulus to the local economies along the border and in a lot of border towns that is much needed.

I agree, but again, look at what the situation is. Democrats will not only REFUSE to consider this...many of them in fact want to take it a step further a do away with ICE and border patrol ALTOGETHER! So lets give blame where it is due.

We've all talked about the problem and how to solve it. It's easy in theory. But there is a component of the current equation that refuses to play ball. Thats why the wall is currently the best we can do.

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Re: Thirty years ago
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2019, 11:29:09 AM »
It seems that every time something is posted here everyone jumps up and says it is all the Democrats fault or it is all the Republicans fault.

Couldn't agree more - Not sure I've ever seen as much obstruction and lying as this Democratic Party though. They simply won't debate or pass any
bills that make the present administration look good. They are totally consumed with impeaching Trump.   That decision was made day 1.

This Democratic Party is downright dangerous with the huge move to the left - there is NO compromise with them.
The young radicals (AOC, Omar, Schiff, Sawell) make the old liberals (Pelosi, Maxine,etc) look tame.
They are destroying their own party.

They need to go unfortunately for the good of country.

Just look at the reception Trump recieved at the Washington Nationals World Series game - and compare it to the reception at the Alabama/LSU game.
That tells you the story of where this country is at in regards to President Trump.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/real-america-trump-greeted-by-thunderous-applause-at-lsu-alabama-game

They should suck it up and work with the man - as the country wants. And put forth an actual presidential candidate that makes sense.
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