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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2019, 07:24:17 AM »
I actually like the apocalyptic scenarios. The system is corrupt and needs a good flush. Look at all of the folks Epstein hung out with!
Voting for a demagogue and calling it rebellion is nonsense.

Take a look at HK if you want to see what trying to "flush the system" actually looks like.
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stahleyp

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2019, 07:28:16 AM »
I actually like the apocalyptic scenarios. The system is corrupt and needs a good flush. Look at all of the folks Epstein hung out with!
Voting for a demagogue and calling it rebellion is nonsense.

Take a look at HK if you want to see what trying to "flush the system" actually looks like.

Life isn't always fun and games. Though that's mostly what the US has known for the last 40 years or so (economically).

I'm pretty confident that our flushing of the system wouldn't look like Hong Kong.

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 07:32:47 AM »
I actually like the apocalyptic scenarios. The system is corrupt and needs a good flush. Look at all of the folks Epstein hung out with!
Voting for a demagogue and calling it rebellion is nonsense.

Take a look at HK if you want to see what trying to "flush the system" actually looks like.

If that is what you really think a vote for Trump is, you're beyond gone. The MSM has officially captured your brain.

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2019, 07:39:16 AM »
I might hold my nose and vote for Trump if Bloomberg gets the nomination.


I actually like the apocalyptic scenarios. The system is corrupt and needs a good flush. Look at all of the folks Epstein hung out with!


I agree with you to some extent on the "reset." But I don't think you can/should manufacture that. It needs to happen organically and (if history is any indicator) it will. The quote below sums it up nicely.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

Also I'm not sure why people are calling Bloomberg a moderate. He is far from being anything moderate and is quite far left if you look at his stances. I think he'll have a harder time getting elected than people seem to think. I am curious through as to why you would vote for Warren over Trump but not Bloomberg?

edit: And I'm not saying a "reset" is close.   

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2019, 07:39:51 AM »
People wouldn't actually vote for Trump because they lost their jobs to Mexico or China (thanks to Clinton) or government bailing out Wall St (thanks Bush and Obama!). They certainly wouldn't vote for him due to the opioid epidemic (thanks to Clinton, Bush and Obama). It's not because the system is broken and they want change.

It's because they're prejudiced, racists, whateverophobes, bigots, blah blah blah. Just all around deplorable!
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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2019, 07:46:42 AM »
I might hold my nose and vote for Trump if Bloomberg gets the nomination.


I actually like the apocalyptic scenarios. The system is corrupt and needs a good flush. Look at all of the folks Epstein hung out with!


I agree with you to some extent on the "reset." But I don't think you can/should manufacture that. It needs to happen organically and (if history is any indicator) it will. The quote below sums it up nicely.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

Also I'm not sure why people are calling Bloomberg a moderate. He is far from being anything moderate and is quite far left if you look at his stances. I think he'll have a harder time getting elected than people seem to think. I am curious through as to why you would vote for Warren over Trump but not Bloomberg?

I could be wrong about Warren but she has a history of fighting for the middle class. I think her idea for the CBPF was a very good one. I also think that levying a wealth tax (or some type of distribution) will lower the power of the wealthy and return it (somewhat) to the middle class. Plus, if Cohen is against her, she must be doing something right.

With that said, I disagree with a lot of her policies (free college, loan forgiveness). I would much rather have higher taxes to pay off the debt - even if that meant weaker economic growth. I think it creates discipline and allows for more efficiency.
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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2019, 07:59:30 AM »
Stahley, I couldn't disagree more on Warren and the wealth tax.  6%, like come on.  On top of income tax.  That is an actual assault on people's assets.   There is language in the consitution which forbids this.

I think it sounds fine now because maybe it doesn't affect you, and even if i was american it wouldn't affect me.  However, just like every other government program this is just the beginning.  It starts at $50m, but then there will be a budget crisis and it will be $10m.  Then there will be some other issue and it will be $2m.  Sooner or later I think they will get to anyone who was foolish enough to save.

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2019, 08:19:48 AM »
Stahley, I couldn't disagree more on Warren and the wealth tax.  6%, like come on.  On top of income tax.  That is an actual assault on people's assets.   There is language in the consitution which forbids this.

I think it sounds fine now because maybe it doesn't affect you, and even if i was american it wouldn't affect me.  However, just like every other government program this is just the beginning.  It starts at $50m, but then there will be a budget crisis and it will be $10m.  Then there will be some other issue and it will be $2m.  Sooner or later I think they will get to anyone who was foolish enough to save.

I think by forcing the government to run a balanced budget a lot of the issues would be ironed out before there would be a budget crisis. Like, if the government wasn't running a huge deficit now, we would have probably had a recession sometime over the past 10 years. People act like recessions are terrible thing but I think they have benefits.

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2019, 08:21:53 AM »
Stahley, I couldn't disagree more on Warren and the wealth tax.  6%, like come on.  On top of income tax.  That is an actual assault on people's assets.   There is language in the consitution which forbids this.

I think it sounds fine now because maybe it doesn't affect you, and even if i was american it wouldn't affect me.  However, just like every other government program this is just the beginning.  It starts at $50m, but then there will be a budget crisis and it will be $10m.  Then there will be some other issue and it will be $2m.  Sooner or later I think they will get to anyone who was foolish enough to save.

I agree with this. The idea that “we can do it right this time.” Always fails. Socialism is a system that utilizes unrealistic and imaginary human emotions to produce legislation which ultimately fails directly because of actual human emotions. Systems which limit power because of their understanding of human desires, motives, and emotions work the best. That’s why freedom > central planning. In other words a system that provides the least amount of leverage by a governing body is the best.

This country doesn’t need to be “fundamentally changed” as Obama said upon election. It needs to get back to its fundamentals.

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Re: Welcome President Romney 2020
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2019, 08:29:31 AM »
Stahley, I couldn't disagree more on Warren and the wealth tax.  6%, like come on.  On top of income tax.  That is an actual assault on people's assets.   There is language in the consitution which forbids this.

I think it sounds fine now because maybe it doesn't affect you, and even if i was american it wouldn't affect me.  However, just like every other government program this is just the beginning.  It starts at $50m, but then there will be a budget crisis and it will be $10m.  Then there will be some other issue and it will be $2m.  Sooner or later I think they will get to anyone who was foolish enough to save.

It needs to get back to its fundamentals.

Agree with this 100%. That's why a good flush is called for. ;)

Let me be clear here guys. I'm not saying I'm going to vote for Warren, Trump or anyone else right now. I probably won't make up my mind until the debates happen.
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