Where is Cwericb and Viking?

[Cardboard]

Yeah where are these two loudspeakers to blame Trudeau for his disastrous mismanagement of Covid?

WHO warns Canada is facing a 'second wave' of coronavirus cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/who-warns-canada-is-facing-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-cases-.html

Cardboard

[cwericb]

Yeah where are these two loudspeakers to blame Trudeau for his disastrous mismanagement of Covid?

WHO warns Canada is facing a 'second wave' of coronavirus cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/who-warns-canada-is-facing-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-cases-.html

Cardboard

“Where is Cwericb and Viking?”

Right here good buddy. You really seem to be in a feisty mood tonight taking shots at Dalal.Holdings on the other thread and calling Viking and me out here so let me get down to your question.

I have attempted to tell you on numerous occasions, I am no fan of Trudeau, but you seem have some reading comprehension issues on that front.

However, if you think that somehow Trump has the high ground on handling Covid in comparing him to Trudeau, then I might suggest you should leave your mask at home in Canada and slip on down to the US and take in some of your hero's rallies. and keep us posted so we can see how that works out for you.

Now I am not sure what point you are trying to make re: Covid & Canada but if you are surprised that Canada is facing a ‘second wave’, well Cardboard shame on you cause y'all just haven’t been paying very close attention.

This ‘second wave’ has been predicted for several months now and common sense would tell most of us that as we move into the colder temperatures and the “Flu Season” comes on, Covid levels would increase. The northern States don’t seem to be doing so well right now either, have you checked that out?

Now regarding the Canadian numbers, did you know that Quebec alone accounts for about half of all Canadian deaths - 6,000 out of 9,664 total?  But since any comment I might have about Quebec would probably prompt Sanjeev to ban me from the board for a month, I will not say more about La Belle Province and it's handling of anything including Covid-19. You remember how that ban business works, right?

But factoring in population, Canada still have a death rate that is half of the US’s.

Here are the numbers for you:
Canada      9,664 dead
USA       217,000 dead

I hope this helps.

cwericb

[Viking]

Yeah where are these two loudspeakers to blame Trudeau for his disastrous mismanagement of Covid?

WHO warns Canada is facing a 'second wave' of coronavirus cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/who-warns-canada-is-facing-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-cases-.html

Cardboard

Ok, i’ll bite. Cardboard, what is it specifically that Trudeau is doing wrong?

Every model out there is predicting a spike in Covid cases in Canada as we enter fall/winter. This is the start of flu season. Any parent who has a kid knows what i am talking about.

Questions for Trudeau:
1.) does he believe in science? Yes
2.) has the Federal response been lead by health experts with politicians in the background? Yes
3.) is he asking Canadians to wear masks? Yes
4.) is he asking Canadians to social distance? Yes
5.) is he personally role modelling the right behaviour (masks & social distancing)? Yes
6.) Politically, is he working across party lines to provide a unified approach? For the most part, yes
7.) is he working well with all provinces? Yes
8.) was he quick with massive financial support to unemployed and businesses? Yes
9.) have relief programs been modified in recent months and weeks to reflect the current situation? Yes

Trudeau/Federal Government has made lots of errors since the pandemic started. But his leadership on this issue has been infinitely better than Trump’s.

Now you might have forgotten but each of the Provinces in Canada are exclusively in control of, among other things, health care. I live in BC and am overall happy with the response of my provincial government. Mistakes have been made but the leadership group is doing their best. I can’t speak to other provinces like Ontario and Quebec as i do not follow them closely enough.

For non-Canadians here is a link that explains Federal / Provincial roles and responsibilities:
- https://thecanadaguide.com/government/local-governments/

PS: If you want to criticize Trudeau and his handling of the pandemic you might want to focus primarily on the fiscal side of things (not the health as per your link above). You and i might actually find something to agree on regarding the pandemic :-)

Trudeau / Federal Government is spending money like a drunken sailor since the pandemic started. But we seem to be in an age where total debt no longer matters (if it is local currency). I am not convinced.

[Cardboard]

Trudeau is an abject failure and all leftist governments in Canada.

They killed our liberties, picked winners and losers, destroyed our balance sheet not to overwelm hospitals and their unionized and highly paid workers and the end results is the exact same as in the U.S. and elsewhere.

Ever heard of Sweden you uneducated? Funny that a deep socialist state used their head and tried something else.

They did fuck all and infection, death count per capita is same.

Reason why they have more cases/deaths in the U.S. is that it takes a few hours to get test results vs a week if not more out here and a lot more of pre-conditions: diabetes, obesity and other.

If Obounga was still in power they would applaud same results. You guys are the true deplorables!

Cardboard 

[Cardboard]

And yes when Biden and first female VP (maybe she is trans?) are in power in January, nobody will talk about Covid and 2nd wave.

It will all be back to normal and simply winter runny noses...

I told you over a year sgo that Biden would be President. Then now do this since you seem to have recollection issues: record the news today (any news bulletin) and watch how great we are doing in January on same channel.

Cardboard

[cwericb]

“Trudeau is an abject failure and all leftist governments in Canada.”

Who is arguing that point with you? I think he is a disaster fiscally. But I don’t blame it all on him because I believe it is the Liberal back room boys that really call the shots. As far as his performance on Covid is concerned, he has certainly taken the problem seriously in contrast to a certain buffoon who pretends to ignore it. Of course the buffoon had a slightly different attitude personally when he was a victim and was rushed to the hospital. Unfortunately the average Joe doesn't get that same attention.

“They killed our liberties, picked winners and losers, destroyed our balance sheet not to overwelm hospitals and their unionized and highly paid workers and the end results is the exact same as in the U.S. and elsewhere.”

Why would you say that? At this point the end results are NOT the same in Canada as in the U.S. Are you unaware that the U.S. Covid death rate is at least DOUBLE that of Canada. How is that exactly the same results?

“Reason why they have more cases/deaths in the U.S. is that it takes a few hours to get test results vs a week if not more out here and a lot more of pre-conditions: diabetes, obesity and other.”

Don’t confuse case rate with death rate. The number of recorded cases depends on how many people are tested. Number of deaths is not an arbitrary figure. The US death rate is double Canada’s.

“If Obounga was still in power they would applaud same results. You guys are the true deplorables!” 

You having trouble spelling? A little dyslectic perhaps? It is Obama if that helps. Just a little help from one of the new deplorables.

“And yes when Biden and first female VP (maybe she is trans?) are in power in January, nobody will talk about Covid and 2nd wave.”

‘(maybe she is trans?)’  Really? Seriously? Is that all you’ve got? I guess when you can’t find anything substantial to complain about you have to stoop to remarks like this.
But it is good to see that at least now you agree that a second wave is coming. So why were you so surprised in your first post that cases in Canada were rising? Now if you think no one will be talking about it, well that is certainly what Trump’s attitude would be - because ‘it will all just disappear’, right?

“I told you over a year ago that Biden would be President.”

Yes you did. Thought that was just wishful thinking on your part. Congratulations.

“Then now do this since you seem to have recollection issues: record the news today (any news bulletin) and watch how great we are doing in January on same channel.”

Well since you, and most of the rest of the world predict a second wave of Covid no one expects Canada or the US to be doing very well especially since Trump has done everything in his power to ignore the problem and set up his country (and others) for a disaster.

However, hopefully there will be a new President that will address the problem rather than a buffoon who holds public rallies, lies to his citizens, and tries to pretend that 217,000 dead Americans is no big deal.

I hope that Viking and I have been able to address your concerns and have clarified some of the facts that you may have overlooked.

Cwericb

[SharperDingaan]

Trudeau has actually done a pretty good job. Canadians vote primarily for good governance, not ideology.
Same as Europe, every province in Canada is it's own 'nation', and Covid is nowhere near as rampant in Canada, as it is in Europe. We still have an economy, functioning emergency benefits, and a rational approach. Sure it might have been better, but neither of us is having to manage this, and monday-morning quarterbacks know squat.

We now have schools and day-cares open, somewhat allowing women the ability to work again. Sure It's cold season and it means more Covid, but that's life - get over it. It's a pandemic. > 70% of the population are going to get Covid, all that authorities can do is manage the curve so that everyone can access treatment when the time comes. If you want piece of mind, get the flu shots that are being rolled out, and save yourself a trip.

We now have the experience of the first wave, and have had months to build ventilators, stock up on PPE, develop treatments, and put plans in place. Sure they might not be the best, but tbey don't have to be - they just have to be 'good enough'. Do what's asked of you, when you're asked, and we should all do as well as possible. Of course, If you think you're special - there are folks behind the barn who would like to meet you.

The various Covid measures in place, are essentially 'war time' measures. But unlike 'war time', families are not receiving the body bags of dead sons, daughters, aunts and uncles, and hearing the horror stories as to what is happening on the front lines. We don't have that, and as a result - the seriousness of Covid isn't penetrating.

Perhaps its time a DAILY Covid, and suicides, death-list of name, age, and location was scrolled on the national news, or published in the daily papers.
Look it up daily to see if there's someone you know. Few are going to posture their 'invincibility' when it makes you look like a walking corpse, and fewer super-spreaders = lower infection rates.

Different strokes.

SD

'

[orthopa]

Trudeau has actually done a pretty good job. Canadians vote primarily for good governance, not ideology.
Same as Europe, every province in Canada is it's own 'nation', and Covid is nowhere near as rampant in Canada, as it is in Europe. We still have an economy, functioning emergency benefits, and a rationale approach. Sure it might have been better, but neither of us is having to manage this, and monday-morning quarterbacks know squat.

We now have schools and day-cares open, somewhat allowing women the ability to work again. Sure It's cold season and it means more Covid, but that's life - get over it. It's a pandemic. > 70% of the population are going to get Covid, all that authorities can do is manage the curve so that everyone can access treatment when the time comes. If you want piece of mind, get the flu shots that are being rolled out, and save yourself a trip.

We now have the experience of the first wave, and have had months to build ventilators, stock up on PPE, develop treatments, and put plans in place. Sure they might not be the best, but tbey don't have to be - they just have to be 'good enough'. Do what's asked of you, when you're asked, and we should all do as well as possible. Of course, If you think you're special - there are folks behind the barn who would like to meet you.

The various Covid measures in place, are essentially 'war time' measures. But unlike 'war time', families are not receiving the body bags of dead sons, daughters, aunts and uncles, and hearing the horror stories as to what is happening on the front lines. We don't have that, and a result - the seriousness of Covid isn't penetrating.

Perhaps its time a DAILY Covid, and suicides, death-list of name, age, and location was scrolled on the national news, or published in the daily papers - look it up daily to see if there's someone you know. Few are going to posture their 'invincibility' when it makes you look like a walking corpse, and fewer super-spreaders = lower infection rates.

Different strokes.

SD

'

Cuomo did a pretty good job with Covid in NY too. He has a book that just came out that will tell you all about it.

https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-Pandemic/dp/0593239261

Apparently if you buy this book you get the Jeffrey Dahlmer "Cooking at home" cookbook too for free.

[orthopa]

Yeah where are these two loudspeakers to blame Trudeau for his disastrous mismanagement of Covid?

WHO warns Canada is facing a 'second wave' of coronavirus cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/who-warns-canada-is-facing-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-cases-.html

Cardboard

Ok, i’ll bite. Cardboard, what is it specifically that Trudeau is doing wrong?

Every model out there is predicting a spike in Covid cases in Canada as we enter fall/winter. This is the start of flu season. Any parent who has a kid knows what i am talking about.

If every model saw it coming how come it wasnt prevented? Logic would then tell you someone has to be to blame.

That being said if it cant be prevented, why all the finger pointing across the border?

[rb]

Yeah where are these two loudspeakers to blame Trudeau for his disastrous mismanagement of Covid?

WHO warns Canada is facing a 'second wave' of coronavirus cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/who-warns-canada-is-facing-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-cases-.html

Cardboard

Ok, i’ll bite. Cardboard, what is it specifically that Trudeau is doing wrong?

Every model out there is predicting a spike in Covid cases in Canada as we enter fall/winter. This is the start of flu season. Any parent who has a kid knows what i am talking about.

If every model saw it coming how come it wasnt prevented? Logic when then tell you someone has to be to blame.

That being said if it cant be prevented, why all the finger pointing across the border?

If something can't be prevented that doesn't mean you should do nothing. It may be that it can't be prevented it can be controlled. We have seen this to be true. Places like Taiwan, SK, NZ weren't able to prevent the virus reaching their population but have done a pretty good job of controlling it when it did.