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Gregmal

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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2020, 12:56:39 AM »
Just watched the full replay and there wasn't much missed. Pretty awful all around. Joe's strongest moments were when he could fall back into the comfort of belting out decades of scripted politician slogans, and when given the opportunity to go from debating to staging his "pleas" into the camera attempting to talk to the American people. Otherwise he was pretty hollow and spent a whole lot of time making weird facial expressions and looking around the room like he forgot where he was.

That said, I thought Biden did better than I would have expected. Indeed the bar was low.

The key take aways were definitely that Biden basically admitted he's going to shut down the country if elected. He also denied supporting the Green New Deal while pimping it and supporting the heck out of its major talking points at the same time....bizarre. Much like in 2016, the moderator did very little to quell the notion that media is against Trump. Biden went through the entire thing name calling and interrupting without ever really getting called out. By the end, Biden/Wallace were laughing with each other and basically high fiving. The phrasing of a lot of the questions such as the one on healthcare also seemed riddled with bias. Trump all in all just came off like he wanted to argue about everything and failed to really have a defining moment.

But who knows. Lets ask SE Cupp and Jake Tapper what they think? Or maybe see what the celebrities are saying on Twitter!


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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2020, 01:14:22 AM »
Castanza, you have a bunch of different parts of the debate in your post so it is a little confusing. So let’s just look at one issue. The really cool thing is the debate was actually taped so there is kind of proof exactly was was said. And Trump was very clear. If you want to understand what a person stands for often the best thing to do is simply listen to what they say. Then we don’t need to guess... we kind of know... because they actually said it :-) You know... the words come out of their mouth one by one.

Question: Will Trump condemn white supremacist groups?
Answer? No. In fact he promotes one of the groups on national television.
Proof? Go to the web site of Proud Boys. They are running with Trumps words of support. Might just be time for a little recruitment drive :-) maybe buy a few more guns... the President needs out help!

Holy white supremacist militia batman. Who needs the law enforcement or the FBI. The US now has Proud Boys to do whatever the President wants. The US will now be a much safer country. That guy Trump is a stable genius. Gasoline everywhere. Good thing there is not an election or something really important right around the corner. All it would take is a match... and kaboom.

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“Are you tonight willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, and to see they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing,” Trump responded. “Not from the right wing… I want to see peace.”

Then do it, sir,” Wallace replied.

“What do you want me to call it?” Trump said amid cross-talk.

“Proud Boys,” Biden said, referring to the far-right street-fighting gang that rallied in Portland, Oregon, this past weekend.

Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” said Trump. “But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”
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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2020, 03:36:02 AM »
Trump was logical and right about everything while Biden acts like typical politician repeating slogans.

Well, other than: "I am the Democratic Party." LMAO

Oh and if Viking is so attentive and listening to every word then he will notice that Biden told Trump to "Shut-up" and other unpresidential terms. Parsad must have been impressed or just like since few months where he resorted to insults with Greg and others. Trump surely did interrupt (as his counterpart) but, kept his calm and points were made.

After this debate and anyone with a rational mind knows Trump's platform while Biden kept pivoting in and out from socialists such as not supporting Green New Deal but, having is own version with a few billions that Wallace finally destroyed that crazy notion.

Regarding Wallace, I think he did a fine job. He should have told Joe to stop interrupting and also to remain polite as we are on National TV but, questioning was balanced and unbiased IMO.

However my hopes are low. People are so influenced by what is said by journalists and on TV that they will likely vote the socialists in. Once votes are counted which will likely take a week, Trump will gracefully exit.

He will then watch and comment on America's economic ruin, China, Russia once again stomping on U.S. throat, endless BLM riots brought about by these fools like we have in Canada.
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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2020, 05:18:50 AM »
I thought Trump did pretty well, just by acting less as himself.
I was concerned that he would throw the chair at the moderator but refraining.

This is not the Biden that I remember from the McCain-Palin debate more than a decade ago. The man served his country but today’s optics is that he has no energy.

The reality is that this is not a vote between Trump and Biden but rather vote between keeping a disrupter or going back to the status quo. I can see Trump slamming his own party if needs be and getting them in line, I cannot see Biden being able to do that to his own party. 

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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2020, 05:29:46 AM »
I don't usually watch these things, but I watched last night because I thought it would be funny.  It was not.  Trump was, well, he was Trump, rude, obnoxious, kept interrupting. He usually does this in a funny way, but besides the orgasm joke, he was completely humorless last night.  Biden was slow and visibly trying to hold it together.  When Biden wasn't childishly going back at Trump (even telling him to shut up), every word out of his mouth could be fit into two categories:  Government should raise taxes and, Government should spend more money.

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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2020, 05:35:22 AM »
I actually thought the name calling was a good move for Biden. Show some edginess for fuck's sake. Had he done this much earlier in the race he may have had more luck grabbing peoples attention.

But anyway, for all the libtards Republicans against Trump.....can anyone comment, on anything, especially after last nights confirmation....more lockdowns, higher taxes, Green New Deal....that they like about Biden from a policy POV? Or are you voting against Trump simply because his personality rubs you the wrong way and you believe the MSM that he's Hitler 2.0?

EDIT: also, what do we make of the futures now? Was there another debate at 5am that Trump won to pull things back to flat? Or did none of this matter?
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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2020, 05:53:04 AM »
I think Trump won this one. Not by much but he won. Trump was much crisper and was laying punches. Joe appeared confused between staying on message and responding to Trump. It looked like Trump came out swinging and went after every single pain point of Joe's and the best Joe got out of Trump was a failure to denounce white supremacists.

The only thing that kept this debate close is the fact that Trump failed to capitalize on serious opportunities by talking up his accomplishments instead of Joe's failures - e.g., supporting African American communities where he could point to the lowest unemployment, permanent STEM fund for HBCUs, prison reform, etc. Another thing that he could do was to just let Joe speak when it looked like Joe was muddling.

Joe just didn't have much to capitalize on. Part of the problem is Joe himself (I think many Democrats are now waking up to this fact). If he points at Trump's failure, he has a failed policy that Trump can immediately point to so Joe went with a very hedged approach. He went with old and worn-out slogans - balancing between responding and staying on message. He had some opportunities to go after Trump's kids (that are in the office), country mismanagement, etc., but he just looked lost. To be fair, the only expectation Joe had in this debate was to stand there and look alert and I guess he accomplished that.

Overall, an awful debate between two terrible options discussing things that are so complex and way over their heads. I thought Chris Wallace did well. He had to deal with two children who happen to be powerful.


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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2020, 05:59:38 AM »
Castanza, you have a bunch of different parts of the debate in your post so it is a little confusing. So let’s just look at one issue. The really cool thing is the debate was actually taped so there is kind of proof exactly was was said. And Trump was very clear. If you want to understand what a person stands for often the best thing to do is simply listen to what they say. Then we don’t need to guess... we kind of know... because they actually said it :-) You know... the words come out of their mouth one by one.

Question: Will Trump condemn white supremacist groups?
Answer? No. In fact he promotes one of the groups on national television.
Proof? Go to the web site of Proud Boys. They are running with Trumps words of support. Might just be time for a little recruitment drive :-) maybe buy a few more guns... the President needs out help!

Holy white supremacist militia batman. Who needs the law enforcement or the FBI. The US now has Proud Boys to do whatever the President wants. The US will now be a much safer country. That guy Trump is a stable genius. Gasoline everywhere. Good thing there is not an election or something really important right around the corner. All it would take is a match... and kaboom.

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“Are you tonight willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, and to see they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing,” Trump responded. “Not from the right wing… I want to see peace.”

Then do it, sir,” Wallace replied.

“What do you want me to call it?” Trump said amid cross-talk.

“Proud Boys,” Biden said, referring to the far-right street-fighting gang that rallied in Portland, Oregon, this past weekend.

Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” said Trump. “But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”

https://youtu.be/KcaypAUnqcY

Viking what I said was directly from the clip I posted. It was all the same sequence and exchange....you left out a few things that give more context.

Chris' questions started with ”You have repeated criticized the VP for not specifically calling out antifa”

“Are you tonight willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, and to see they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing,” Trump responded. “Not from the right wing… I want to see peace.”

You forgot the "sure"

Then do it, sir,” Wallace replied.

“What do you want me to call it?” Trump said amid cross-talk.

“Proud Boys,” Biden said, referring to the far-right street-fighting gang that rallied in Portland, Oregon, this past weekend.

“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” said Trump. “But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”

When Trump says: "“But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”

He is changing the context. This is classic Trump dialogue where he almost never stays on a focused subject. He is taking the conversation back to just before Chris asked the question. I you look at the clip I posted Trump says "they do not want to accept the National Guard". I don't believe this quote is Trump telling the proud boys to "handle things." At least that is how it came across to me. People will see what they want to see.

When Trump is saying this Biden interjects and says "His own FBI director says Antifa is an idea not an organization." then goes on to say "everyone tells you the truth."

Biden was agreeing with the FBI and this is backed up by him saying the "everyone tells you the truth" part.

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Biden has not denounced Antifa. The only thing he said was that crime should be punished.

Trump said recently  " Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazi white supremacists and other hate groups."

Trump said previously (the famously misquoted statement) "Many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. They should be condemned" second condemnation " and I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists."

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Things I would have liked to see addressed more

- Biden's tax plan
- Biden's healthcare plan
- Trumps healthcare plan
- Biden's approach to energy and his thoughts on fossil fuels
- Biden's international policy specifically China
- Biden's "saving grace" Covid-19 plan

Biden didn't really give us any idea of what a presidency under his administration would look like. It was the same old jargon "I will fix it" that he has been saying for 40+ years. I still understand why Trump was elected and I can still see the value in it. He was basically a wrench in the cog to shake up American politics. He brought to light the good and the bad in our system and hopefully people are waking the F up. Biden/Harris is NOT the direction this country needs to go although another 4 years of Trump does give me pause. As I said, I've already made up my decision. I think others should consider third party candidates as well. It's the only way out of the death spiral that is the two party system.



Edit: Lastly it felt like Trump approached this debate as a press conference. Pretty clear by his lack of adherence to the established rules. He wanted a follow up for every Joe comment.





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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2020, 06:18:51 AM »
I think most voters who watched the debate will come away with the following observations

1. Neither candidate was impressive.

2. If there is a another debate, please provide the moderator with a mute switch for both candidates.

3. Joe looked pale and missed a number of opportunities to jump on Trump and should have been more aggressive.

3. Trump, on the other hand, looked like he was going to a Halloween party dressed as a giant pumpkin. He was rude and full of bluster.

Conclusion: The question most will come away with is that Trump has ZERO control over his emotions - who would want that trait in a leader with the largest military in the world?
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Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2020, 06:24:11 AM »
Terrible debate. We are screwed either way.
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