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Title: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on September 29, 2020, 06:48:20 PM
There is nothing this man says that adds up.

You may not like Trump but, Biden plan is an economic disaster.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 29, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
Greatest COVID accomplishment?

I brought back football! LOL
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 29, 2020, 07:11:20 PM
JFC this debate is spicy



Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on September 29, 2020, 07:14:59 PM
I turned it off after a bit. Too trashy.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 29, 2020, 07:20:14 PM
I turned it off after a bit. Too trashy.

Investors like to talk about inflection points right?

#JoJorgensen2020
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 29, 2020, 07:21:55 PM
Yea I watched for like 15 minutes and then switched back to the Yankee game. Too predictable from what I saw. Trump raging and interrupting every two minutes. Biden stuttering/rambling and then pivoting into typical politician bookend phrases. Chris Wallace yelling at Trump and letting Biden interrupt freely.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 29, 2020, 08:15:51 PM
Well for all of you who did not watch the debate. I hate to break the news... Sleepy Joe MIGHT have had a career night. One key with debates is performance versus expectations. Biden came in with very low expectations (thanks to Trump). He looked like the outright winner of the debate to me. So in terms of performance versus expectations Biden did very well. 

What is worse for Trump is he said lots of highly inappropriate things that are going to now going to hit the Twittersphere (gotta love soundbites). So we will see, but the ‘spin’ could further damage him. (My personal favourite was at the end when i think he murmered for white supremacists to be ‘ready’ - something like that - when asked about a peaceful transfer of power once the election results are known... but i MUST have mis heard because that would be bat shit crazy.)

So coming in to the debate Trump was doing very poorly. We will see what the polls say in another week or so but my guess is at a minimum Biden will maintain his strong lead and will perhaps see a small bump. (Most people have already made up their mind.) Trump needed a strong showing and instead he got roughed up.

Sleepy Joe... didn’t know you had it in you!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 29, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Yea I watched for like 15 minutes and then switched back to the Yankee game. Too predictable from what I saw. Trump raging and interrupting every two minutes. Biden stuttering/rambling and then pivoting into typical politician bookend phrases. Chris Wallace yelling at Trump and letting Biden interrupt freely.

If you watched the debate a little more Chris chastised Trump pretty good. What he said to Trump is prior to the debate Trump had agreed to a certain set of rules that he (Trump) was repeatedly breaking. It did the job as Trump backed off for a while.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 29, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 29, 2020, 08:37:18 PM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath

WTF?

If this is indeed what Trump said then the US is in deep shit in 5 weeks. No sugar coating this one.

But hey, it sounds like Trump supporters are good with this. If Trump doesn’t win then let the country burn.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 29, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath

WTF?

If this is indeed what Trump said then the US is in deep shit in 5 weeks. No sugar coating this one.

But hey, it sounds like Trump supporters are good with this. If Trump doesn’t win then let the country burn.

https://www.businessinsider.com/stand-by-trump-hesitates-to-condemn-white-supremacists-in-debate-2020-9?amp#aoh=16014374646429&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fstand-by-trump-hesitates-to-condemn-white-supremacists-in-debate-2020-9

It was his answer to being asked to condemn white supremacists
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 29, 2020, 09:30:57 PM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath

Yeah and Joe Biden said Antifa didn’t exist...

The whole thing was a shit show. Sorry but anyone who can declare a “winner” after that is fooling themselves. Complete joke
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 29, 2020, 09:35:29 PM
On a positive note. Joe Jorgensen’s website crashed likely due to people looking for a 3rd party candidate. Maybe a third party has a chance?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 29, 2020, 09:50:36 PM
This came though loud and clear tonight. Trump has been tilling the soil on this topic for weeks. And tonight he made it crystal clear. HE IS NOT LEAVING OFFICE. And every option is on the table to keep him in office. If this issue gets traction i think he is screwed. Are we seeing desperation setting in?

Trump Sent a Warning. Let’s Take It Seriously.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/opinion/trump-election-fraud-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

“President Trump has made it unmistakably clear in recent weeks — and even more crystal clear at the Tuesday debate — that there are only two choices before voters on Nov. 3 — and electing Joe Biden is not one of them.

The president has told us in innumerable ways that either he will be re-elected or he will delegitimize the vote by claiming that all mail-in ballots — a time-honored tradition that has ushered Republicans and Democrats into office and has been used by Trump himself — are invalid.“

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 29, 2020, 09:53:44 PM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath

Yeah and Joe Biden said Antifa didn’t exist...



That is completely false. He was quoting Trump's FBI director in saying it exists as an ideology. It's Trump's FBI director who said that and Biden was relaying that same point. Existing as an idea is still an existence. It's apples and oranges and a dangerously false equivalence to compare that with a guy blatantly dog whistling to what should be a domestic terror organization. And just look on social media, the proud boys are loving the shout out. What a disgrace.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Parsad on September 29, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
Well for all of you who did not watch the debate. I hate to break the news... Sleepy Joe MIGHT have had a career night. One key with debates is performance versus expectations. Biden came in with very low expectations (thanks to Trump). He looked like the outright winner of the debate to me. So in terms of performance versus expectations Biden did very well. 

What is worse for Trump is he said lots of highly inappropriate things that are going to now going to hit the Twittersphere (gotta love soundbites). So we will see, but the ‘spin’ could further damage him. (My personal favourite was at the end when i think he murmered for white supremacists to be ‘ready’ - something like that - when asked about a peaceful transfer of power once the election results are known... but i MUST have mis heard because that would be bat shit crazy.)

So coming in to the debate Trump was doing very poorly. We will see what the polls say in another week or so but my guess is at a minimum Biden will maintain his strong lead and will perhaps see a small bump. (Most people have already made up their mind.) Trump needed a strong showing and instead he got roughed up.

Sleepy Joe... didn’t know you had it in you!

I thought Trump won this hands down.  I watched the whole thing.  Yeah, he acted as his usual bully, jackass self, but he was also far more concise and direct than Biden.  Biden looked far, far older than Trump...slow, pondering, etc. 

It wasn't until Biden was talking about his son Beau that he started to stand  up and fight back.  He took it on the chin earlier when Trump went after Hunter...Biden looked like an old man begging a mugger to stop beating him!

The second half was a bit better for Biden when it got into climate change, election voting, etc, but I thought Trump won this pretty handily...sadly!  Chris Wallace should have run for the Democrats instead, because he was actually able to combat Trump's interruptions and behavior. 

But I'm worried now that Trump will get a second term.  Maybe if Biden stood up and said some of the things he needs to, like:

- Yeah, Antifa are assholes like Proud Boys!
- Trump, your a dick!
- Yeah, my son Hunter is a problem child, but your kids are spoiled brats who will bullshit their way through life and live off the family trust!
- I'm going to punch this guy in his orange face if he keeps interrupting!
- Trump, you lie like a hooker at Mardi Gras...and you know you've been with that hooker!

Maybe, if he fought back, he might have a chance, but he did not win tonight!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 29, 2020, 10:47:04 PM
If you want another perspective on who won the debate look at what stock futures did after the debate ended... the dropped 0.5%. We will see where they open in the morning.

Sorry to say it but I think Trump might be cooked. The issue is he is so far down in the polls it looks like Republicans might lose the senate. This could turn into a landslide for the Democrats. One has to wonder at what point Republicans don’t start to flee the sinking ship. They might be able to save their skin. If this happens then Trump is screwed. The emperor (who everyone hates) is starting to look weak... will we see knives?

Proud Boys comment is the one i am going to be watching in the coming days. My guess is it will not resonate with moderates, educated, females. Just a ‘flesh wound’ says Trump (gotta love Monty Python). Trump is opening up too many new fronts to win this war. Endorsing Proud Boys is not going to do it (someone should tell Trump he already has those votes).

Trump Refused to Condemn White Supremacists and Said 'Stand By' for the Proud Boys
The far-right Proud Boys are celebrating President Trump's debate comments as an endorsement.
- https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dzxv8/trump-refused-to-condemn-white-supremacists-and-said-stand-by-for-the-proud-boys
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 29, 2020, 10:54:59 PM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath

Yeah and Joe Biden said Antifa didn’t exist...



That is completely false. He was quoting Trump's FBI director in saying it exists as an ideology. It's Trump's FBI director who said that and Biden was relaying that same point. Existing as an idea is still an existence. It's apples and oranges and a dangerously false equivalence to compare that with a guy blatantly dog whistling to what should be a domestic terror organization. And just look on social media, the proud boys are loving the shout out. What a disgrace.

Thank you for fact checking and setting the record straight. :-)
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 12:26:51 AM
Good lord. Not too long ago we had several of the lefties claiming that the stock market had been rising in anticipation of a Biden presidency, before going back to talking about seeing dead people and brownshirts...now, the futures are down -200 points...must mean Biden won the debate! But hey, we need more info to verify who won...lets go see what The NY Times has to say.

You guys really are losing it.

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 30, 2020, 12:33:49 AM
Proud boys stand back and stand by

-Divisive psychopath

Yeah and Joe Biden said Antifa didn’t exist...



That is completely false. He was quoting Trump's FBI director in saying it exists as an ideology. It's Trump's FBI director who said that and Biden was relaying that same point. Existing as an idea is still an existence. It's apples and oranges and a dangerously false equivalence to compare that with a guy blatantly dog whistling to what should be a domestic terror organization. And just look on social media, the proud boys are loving the shout out. What a disgrace.

Thank you for fact checking and setting the record straight. :-)

Here is the clip.

https://youtu.be/KcaypAUnqcY

Chris asked if Trump would condemn white supremacy etc. he replies “sure”. He then asked Chris to clarify who specifically he needs to renounce. The. Trump said “Proud boys stand back and stand by.” To me the “stand by” came across more like “move to the side” but I could be wrong. Didn’t Trump just label KKK domestic terrorists last week? Not to mention Proud Boys if you look them up are not white supremacists and are instead more neoconservatives wanting to protect “extreme western values”. We have discussed this before on this sub that you can’t control who backs you. Deal can’t control the radical socialists who back then like Trump couldn’t control David Duke supporting him. All these groups have to pick a candidate to endorse for publicity sake. It’s easy media points.

Back to the ANTIFA part.

The question from Chris is directed at Trump initially but is framed first with ”You have repeated criticized the VP for not specifically calling out antifa”

Joe Biden later goes on to say “antifa is an ideology. That’s from your own FBI director.”

Trump responds “Well he is wrong.”

Biden responds “Everyone tells you the truth”

Biden is agreeing with this FBI claim that he brought up and Biden also did not condemn the violence. It’s a scape goat answer. This view is shared all throughout the Democratic Party. Just go ask Jerry “it’s a myth” Nadler.

Trump brought up the point that the majority of the violence and property destruction is from the left. Sorry but anyone who says “white nationalist” groups are responsible for all the riots, violence, and property damage  has their head up their ass. It’s almost all related to BLM. These opposition groups have popped up because mayors left their citizens high and dry. Governors left their citizens high and dry. These equally bad in ideology groups would not be growing in force if politicians would have done their job to uphold law and order in the first place. People eventually take things into their own hands. Unfortunately that often means strong opposing views clashing in extreme situations.

BLM started the riots < mayors ignore the problem < citizens lose millions in property damage < nationalist groups show up to fill the gap

But yet according to the left, it’s all the fault of white supremacy and these opposition groups need to stand down and quit creating violence? What bizarro world is this?

However both Trump and Biden said they wanted peace. I would say this exchange is more about political vote pandering. Biden wants as many votes as he can get just like Trump. Although neither probably endorse either extreme group. They both know a vote is a vote.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 12:56:39 AM
Just watched the full replay and there wasn't much missed. Pretty awful all around. Joe's strongest moments were when he could fall back into the comfort of belting out decades of scripted politician slogans, and when given the opportunity to go from debating to staging his "pleas" into the camera attempting to talk to the American people. Otherwise he was pretty hollow and spent a whole lot of time making weird facial expressions and looking around the room like he forgot where he was.

That said, I thought Biden did better than I would have expected. Indeed the bar was low.

The key take aways were definitely that Biden basically admitted he's going to shut down the country if elected. He also denied supporting the Green New Deal while pimping it and supporting the heck out of its major talking points at the same time....bizarre. Much like in 2016, the moderator did very little to quell the notion that media is against Trump. Biden went through the entire thing name calling and interrupting without ever really getting called out. By the end, Biden/Wallace were laughing with each other and basically high fiving. The phrasing of a lot of the questions such as the one on healthcare also seemed riddled with bias. Trump all in all just came off like he wanted to argue about everything and failed to really have a defining moment.

But who knows. Lets ask SE Cupp and Jake Tapper what they think? Or maybe see what the celebrities are saying on Twitter!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 30, 2020, 01:14:22 AM
Castanza, you have a bunch of different parts of the debate in your post so it is a little confusing. So let’s just look at one issue. The really cool thing is the debate was actually taped so there is kind of proof exactly was was said. And Trump was very clear. If you want to understand what a person stands for often the best thing to do is simply listen to what they say. Then we don’t need to guess... we kind of know... because they actually said it :-) You know... the words come out of their mouth one by one.

Question: Will Trump condemn white supremacist groups?
Answer? No. In fact he promotes one of the groups on national television.
Proof? Go to the web site of Proud Boys. They are running with Trumps words of support. Might just be time for a little recruitment drive :-) maybe buy a few more guns... the President needs out help!

Holy white supremacist militia batman. Who needs the law enforcement or the FBI. The US now has Proud Boys to do whatever the President wants. The US will now be a much safer country. That guy Trump is a stable genius. Gasoline everywhere. Good thing there is not an election or something really important right around the corner. All it would take is a match... and kaboom.

—————————
“Are you tonight willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, and to see they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing,” Trump responded. “Not from the right wing… I want to see peace.”

Then do it, sir,” Wallace replied.

“What do you want me to call it?” Trump said amid cross-talk.

“Proud Boys,” Biden said, referring to the far-right street-fighting gang that rallied in Portland, Oregon, this past weekend.

Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” said Trump. “But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on September 30, 2020, 03:36:02 AM
Trump was logical and right about everything while Biden acts like typical politician repeating slogans.

Well, other than: "I am the Democratic Party." LMAO

Oh and if Viking is so attentive and listening to every word then he will notice that Biden told Trump to "Shut-up" and other unpresidential terms. Parsad must have been impressed or just like since few months where he resorted to insults with Greg and others. Trump surely did interrupt (as his counterpart) but, kept his calm and points were made.

After this debate and anyone with a rational mind knows Trump's platform while Biden kept pivoting in and out from socialists such as not supporting Green New Deal but, having is own version with a few billions that Wallace finally destroyed that crazy notion.

Regarding Wallace, I think he did a fine job. He should have told Joe to stop interrupting and also to remain polite as we are on National TV but, questioning was balanced and unbiased IMO.

However my hopes are low. People are so influenced by what is said by journalists and on TV that they will likely vote the socialists in. Once votes are counted which will likely take a week, Trump will gracefully exit.

He will then watch and comment on America's economic ruin, China, Russia once again stomping on U.S. throat, endless BLM riots brought about by these fools like we have in Canada.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Xerxes on September 30, 2020, 05:18:50 AM
I thought Trump did pretty well, just by acting less as himself.
I was concerned that he would throw the chair at the moderator but refraining.

This is not the Biden that I remember from the McCain-Palin debate more than a decade ago. The man served his country but today’s optics is that he has no energy.

The reality is that this is not a vote between Trump and Biden but rather vote between keeping a disrupter or going back to the status quo. I can see Trump slamming his own party if needs be and getting them in line, I cannot see Biden being able to do that to his own party. 
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 05:29:46 AM
I don't usually watch these things, but I watched last night because I thought it would be funny.  It was not.  Trump was, well, he was Trump, rude, obnoxious, kept interrupting. He usually does this in a funny way, but besides the orgasm joke, he was completely humorless last night.  Biden was slow and visibly trying to hold it together.  When Biden wasn't childishly going back at Trump (even telling him to shut up), every word out of his mouth could be fit into two categories:  Government should raise taxes and, Government should spend more money.

We're screwed.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 05:35:22 AM
I actually thought the name calling was a good move for Biden. Show some edginess for fuck's sake. Had he done this much earlier in the race he may have had more luck grabbing peoples attention.

But anyway, for all the libtards Republicans against Trump.....can anyone comment, on anything, especially after last nights confirmation....more lockdowns, higher taxes, Green New Deal....that they like about Biden from a policy POV? Or are you voting against Trump simply because his personality rubs you the wrong way and you believe the MSM that he's Hitler 2.0?

EDIT: also, what do we make of the futures now? Was there another debate at 5am that Trump won to pull things back to flat? Or did none of this matter?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: lnofeisone on September 30, 2020, 05:53:04 AM
I think Trump won this one. Not by much but he won. Trump was much crisper and was laying punches. Joe appeared confused between staying on message and responding to Trump. It looked like Trump came out swinging and went after every single pain point of Joe's and the best Joe got out of Trump was a failure to denounce white supremacists.

The only thing that kept this debate close is the fact that Trump failed to capitalize on serious opportunities by talking up his accomplishments instead of Joe's failures - e.g., supporting African American communities where he could point to the lowest unemployment, permanent STEM fund for HBCUs, prison reform, etc. Another thing that he could do was to just let Joe speak when it looked like Joe was muddling.

Joe just didn't have much to capitalize on. Part of the problem is Joe himself (I think many Democrats are now waking up to this fact). If he points at Trump's failure, he has a failed policy that Trump can immediately point to so Joe went with a very hedged approach. He went with old and worn-out slogans - balancing between responding and staying on message. He had some opportunities to go after Trump's kids (that are in the office), country mismanagement, etc., but he just looked lost. To be fair, the only expectation Joe had in this debate was to stand there and look alert and I guess he accomplished that.

Overall, an awful debate between two terrible options discussing things that are so complex and way over their heads. I thought Chris Wallace did well. He had to deal with two children who happen to be powerful.

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 30, 2020, 05:59:38 AM
Castanza, you have a bunch of different parts of the debate in your post so it is a little confusing. So let’s just look at one issue. The really cool thing is the debate was actually taped so there is kind of proof exactly was was said. And Trump was very clear. If you want to understand what a person stands for often the best thing to do is simply listen to what they say. Then we don’t need to guess... we kind of know... because they actually said it :-) You know... the words come out of their mouth one by one.

Question: Will Trump condemn white supremacist groups?
Answer? No. In fact he promotes one of the groups on national television.
Proof? Go to the web site of Proud Boys. They are running with Trumps words of support. Might just be time for a little recruitment drive :-) maybe buy a few more guns... the President needs out help!

Holy white supremacist militia batman. Who needs the law enforcement or the FBI. The US now has Proud Boys to do whatever the President wants. The US will now be a much safer country. That guy Trump is a stable genius. Gasoline everywhere. Good thing there is not an election or something really important right around the corner. All it would take is a match... and kaboom.

—————————
“Are you tonight willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, and to see they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing,” Trump responded. “Not from the right wing… I want to see peace.”

Then do it, sir,” Wallace replied.

“What do you want me to call it?” Trump said amid cross-talk.

“Proud Boys,” Biden said, referring to the far-right street-fighting gang that rallied in Portland, Oregon, this past weekend.

Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” said Trump. “But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”

https://youtu.be/KcaypAUnqcY

Viking what I said was directly from the clip I posted. It was all the same sequence and exchange....you left out a few things that give more context.

Chris' questions started with ”You have repeated criticized the VP for not specifically calling out antifa”

“Are you tonight willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups, and to see they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing,” Trump responded. “Not from the right wing… I want to see peace.”

You forgot the "sure"

Then do it, sir,” Wallace replied.

“What do you want me to call it?” Trump said amid cross-talk.

“Proud Boys,” Biden said, referring to the far-right street-fighting gang that rallied in Portland, Oregon, this past weekend.

“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” said Trump. “But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”

When Trump says: "“But I'll tell you what, somebody's gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem; this is a left-wing problem.”

He is changing the context. This is classic Trump dialogue where he almost never stays on a focused subject. He is taking the conversation back to just before Chris asked the question. I you look at the clip I posted Trump says "they do not want to accept the National Guard". I don't believe this quote is Trump telling the proud boys to "handle things." At least that is how it came across to me. People will see what they want to see.

When Trump is saying this Biden interjects and says "His own FBI director says Antifa is an idea not an organization." then goes on to say "everyone tells you the truth."

Biden was agreeing with the FBI and this is backed up by him saying the "everyone tells you the truth" part.

_____________________________________________________

Biden has not denounced Antifa. The only thing he said was that crime should be punished.

Trump said recently  " Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazi white supremacists and other hate groups."

Trump said previously (the famously misquoted statement) "Many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists. They should be condemned" second condemnation " and I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists."

_____________________________________________________

Things I would have liked to see addressed more

- Biden's tax plan
- Biden's healthcare plan
- Trumps healthcare plan
- Biden's approach to energy and his thoughts on fossil fuels
- Biden's international policy specifically China
- Biden's "saving grace" Covid-19 plan

Biden didn't really give us any idea of what a presidency under his administration would look like. It was the same old jargon "I will fix it" that he has been saying for 40+ years. I still understand why Trump was elected and I can still see the value in it. He was basically a wrench in the cog to shake up American politics. He brought to light the good and the bad in our system and hopefully people are waking the F up. Biden/Harris is NOT the direction this country needs to go although another 4 years of Trump does give me pause. As I said, I've already made up my decision. I think others should consider third party candidates as well. It's the only way out of the death spiral that is the two party system.



Edit: Lastly it felt like Trump approached this debate as a press conference. Pretty clear by his lack of adherence to the established rules. He wanted a follow up for every Joe comment.





Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on September 30, 2020, 06:18:51 AM
I think most voters who watched the debate will come away with the following observations

1. Neither candidate was impressive.

2. If there is a another debate, please provide the moderator with a mute switch for both candidates.

3. Joe looked pale and missed a number of opportunities to jump on Trump and should have been more aggressive.

3. Trump, on the other hand, looked like he was going to a Halloween party dressed as a giant pumpkin. He was rude and full of bluster.

Conclusion: The question most will come away with is that Trump has ZERO control over his emotions - who would want that trait in a leader with the largest military in the world?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on September 30, 2020, 06:24:11 AM
Terrible debate. We are screwed either way.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Jurgis on September 30, 2020, 06:31:15 AM
Terrible debate. We are screwed either way.

And I thought that there were some intelligent people on this forum who don't post false equivalences.

I agree. If CoBF houses the most intelligent and rational people, then we are really screwed.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 06:40:13 AM
Terrible debate. We are screwed either way.

And I thought that there were some intelligent people on this forum who don't post false equivalences.

I agree. If CoBF houses the most intelligent and rational people, then we are really screwed.

I didn't see an "=" between those two statements.  All I see is two true statements that may be correlated, but are not necessarily equivalent or causal.  It is more likely they both have the same cause.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cherzeca on September 30, 2020, 07:13:32 AM
if Joe is the democrat party, why can't he say whether he will pack the court etc?  just contributes to his weakness meme
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 07:21:38 AM
What a lot of undecided voters will probably soon realize, if it wasn't fully apparent last night, is that with Biden, at best, you are getting the policies he talks about embracing...which are pretty freakin socialist and just brutal all around. At worst, well, you get the real agenda being pushed by Harris and the extremists. Thats why all these "republicans against Trump" are total liars and frauds. You may not like Trump personally...but there is no way any center/republican can look at the policies most likely to come from a Biden presidency and conclude they resemble anything close to anything a republican would be ok with.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 07:24:59 AM
if Joe is the democrat party, why can't he say whether he will pack the court etc?  just contributes to his weakness meme

What the hell does "pack the court" even mean?  When a judge dies or retires there is an opening and the president's job is to nominate a replacement and the senate's job is to vote yes or no.  Saying, as president I won't nominate judges when openings arise is pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cherzeca on September 30, 2020, 07:30:36 AM
if Joe is the democrat party, why can't he say whether he will pack the court etc?  just contributes to his weakness meme

What the hell does "pack the court" even mean?  When a judge dies or retires there is an opening and the president's job is to nominate a replacement and the senate's job is to vote yes or no.  Saying, as president I won't nominate judges when openings arise is pretty stupid.

no, packing the court refers to congress (if Ds control both houses and the senate repeals the filibuster) expanding the number of justices and the D potus filing them...expanding the court and filling them...what FDR proposed to do...questionable if constitutional

you from outside the US?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 07:33:30 AM
if Joe is the democrat party, why can't he say whether he will pack the court etc?  just contributes to his weakness meme

What the hell does "pack the court" even mean?  When a judge dies or retires there is an opening and the president's job is to nominate a replacement and the senate's job is to vote yes or no.  Saying, as president I won't nominate judges when openings arise is pretty stupid.

What you described is the way it has been setup to works for over 150 years.

Pack the court means that if the libs get control of the Senate they will pass legislation allowing them to expand the Supreme Court to however many judges they want. Which would then allow Joe(or more likely Koomala) to fill however many vacancies he pleases. Again, something many "Republicans against Trump" support.....
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: aryadhana on September 30, 2020, 07:34:01 AM
My mother-in-law in India thought Biden came across as completely incompetent and out of it; anecdotes like that from relatively disinterested sources are all I have to go on. 

Biden actually did better than I expected (which is to say he managed to sputter a few compound sentences), and Wallace pretty shamefully cut off Biden every time he was about to make a jackass of himself.  Unless there's a real hidden electorate the polls keep missing, Trump lost an important opportunity to illustrate how obscene and radical the left will be with its economic policy and burgeoning racial obsessions, which would resonate with so many voters more than stories about Hunter Biden. 
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on September 30, 2020, 07:39:28 AM
Here is the viewpoint from a rational, smart man:

BET founder Robert Johnson says 'I will take the devil I know,' adding he doesn't know what Biden will do
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/robert-johnson-i-will-take-the-devil-i-know-dont-know-what-biden-will-do.html
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 07:43:01 AM
Here is the viewpoint from a rational, smart man:

BET founder Robert Johnson says 'I will take the devil I know,' adding he doesn't know what Biden will do
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/robert-johnson-i-will-take-the-devil-i-know-dont-know-what-biden-will-do.html

He aint really black. Should rename BET as NRBET.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: adesigar on September 30, 2020, 08:26:56 AM
I thought Joe Biden was great. Remember the guy has a lifelong stuttering disability. I think the constant interruptions might have been done to intentionally target this disability and they failed.

Biden team should ask for mute switches or skip the next two presidential debates.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 30, 2020, 08:28:38 AM
It's funny to see people argue who "won" the debate, as if there is a right or wrong answer. I guess one objective measure would be the counting who picked up more undecided voters. Regardless, is it even a debate in the literal sense of the term? Presidential debates to me don't seem anything more than a TV sales opportunity with a lot of ad revenue for the industry.

I don't think Biden will be all that socialist. He refused to commit to Medicare for all and for Green New Deal. Yes he wants to raise corporate taxes, to 28% which was lower than during the Obama AND Bush years. Doesn't seem all that socialist to me. But people will draw the conclusion that suits their positions I suppose.

More importantly, I think for a lot of people, they wouldn't care if Biden was full blown Bernie Sanders. They'd still take him over Trump. Seth Klarman, a Republican, is one of them. He said it best, "the difference between Trump and Sanders is that Sanders isn't unhinged". Personally, I despise taxes and over regulation. If Trump (legally) ended up paying as little as $750 in taxes, all the props to him, I highly respect that. I'd still take Sanders any day over that fascist lunatic.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 30, 2020, 08:47:10 AM
It's funny to see people argue who "won" the debate, as if there is a right or wrong answer. I guess one objective measure would be the counting who picked up more undecided voters. Regardless, is it even a debate in the literal sense of the term? Presidential debates to me don't seem anything more than a TV sales opportunity with a lot of ad revenue for the industry.

I don't think Biden will be all that socialist. He refused to commit to Medicare for all and for Green New Deal. Yes he wants to raise corporate taxes, to 28% which was lower than during the Obama AND Bush years. Doesn't seem all that socialist to me. But people will draw the conclusion that suits their positions I suppose.

More importantly, I think for a lot of people, they wouldn't care if Biden was full blown Bernie Sanders. They'd still take him over Trump. Seth Klarman, a Republican, is one of them. He said it best, "the difference between Trump and Sanders is that Sanders isn't unhinged". Personally, I despise taxes and over regulation. If Trump (legally) ended up paying as little as $750 in taxes, all the props to him, I highly respect that. I'd still take Sanders any day over that fascist lunatic.

Who’s the fascist? See attached
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: orthopa on September 30, 2020, 09:11:02 AM
Whoever suggested to Biden to talk into the camera and plead to America directly needs to go. It comes across as staged, disengenous, and pre planned.

Trump could have interruptted less but no doubt his plan was to come out swinging. I bet he is a little more reserved.

I think is a bit of a stretch to blame natural disasters such as hurricanes, fires on global warming. Whats next, earth quakes and metor strikes? We have a couple hundred year perspective on weather and climate with poor record taking for the beginning of the sliver of time that we have records for. I hope nobody rational believes that.

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on September 30, 2020, 09:22:18 AM
“Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.”

Really?

The real fool is the person who agreed to participate in a debate and then ignored the rules to which he had agreed and proceeded to show the whole world that he was incapable of any self control.

If anyone believes those are the qualities of a great leader, judge yourself accordingly.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 30, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
Well, the exit polls are starting to come out.... looks like a Biden greatly exceeded expectations and was the outright winner. As the front runner that is called a great debate. The scary thing is Trump is going to get increasingly desperate and given his psychological issues get ready for crazy time. But as he gets increasingly unstable hard to see how that appeals to educated, women, minorities he needs to attract. He is boxing himself in.

I LOVED the fact that Biden was dishing last night. How did your mom teach you to deal with a bully? You punch them in the mouth. And Biden got a couple of nice shots in last night.

One of the reasons Biden had a hard time answering is because Trump was continuously heckling him despite promising to remain silent before the debate. Not sure if any of you guys have tried to debate when the person next to you is yelling at and over you as you are trying to speak. Not possible. Bottom line, the moderator had to tune one participant in and that was Trump. Did Joe return the favour (but to a far lesser degree). Yes. But remember, when you are in a bar brawl, which is what Trump does, you BRAWL. Again, win for Sleepy.

Regarding the US economy, most of you can step back from the ledge. Now take a DEEP DEEP breath.  I think the US economy performed pretty well under the last 2 Democratic presidents named Clinton and Obama. Last 2 Republican presidents? Not so well... but don’t let the facts get in the way.

Why have Republican Presidents underperformed? Republican presidents tend to do bat shit crazy things that tank the economy... and as we KNOW beyond a reasonable doubt Trump is unfit for office. Just ask pretty much any Republican who worked in his administration the first 2 years (when he actually built a capable team of people loyal to the US). You can’t make this stuff up.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on September 30, 2020, 10:00:06 AM
My proposal

1.) Next debate has no moderator. Just Trump and Biden going wherever the conversation goes.

2.) Lock then in a room with a single led pipe. Whoever comes out alive and be president.

3.) Put Jo Jorgensen on the stage with them. She is in the ballot in all 50 states. Ridiculous third party candidates are not represented.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on September 30, 2020, 10:08:15 AM
I want to see Hunter Biden with a mound of cocaine in a bare-knuckle brawl against Trump's kids. I know he's outnumbered but I still think he's the heavy favorite.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 10:14:52 AM
“Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.”

Really?

The real fool is the person who agreed to participate in a debate and then ignored the rules to which he had agreed and proceeded to show the whole world that he was incapable of any self control.

If anyone believes those are the qualities of a great leader, judge yourself accordingly.

This is a must read post and you are 100% correct. Thank you for the incredible synopsis on why Biden's policies are preferable to Trump's.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 10:29:10 AM
3.) Put Jo Jorgensen on the stage with them. She is in the ballot in all 50 states. Ridiculous third party candidates are not represented.

Yep,  every time Biden opened his mouth it was about spending money or raising taxes, Trump went after him about it exactly 0 times.  There definitely needed to be a libertarian there to point this out.

Tump's argument amounted to (paraphrasing) "I did a great job", "Everyone likes me", "I can make someone finish", "You can't say law and order", "Bad things happen in Philadelphia", "Your son did some bad shit"
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: doc75 on September 30, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
I think is a bit of a stretch to blame natural disasters such as hurricanes, fires on global warming. Whats next, earth quakes and metor strikes? We have a couple hundred year perspective on weather and climate with poor record taking for the beginning of the sliver of time that we have records for. I hope nobody rational believes that.

What's with the false equivalence?

Hurricanes and fires are directly and obviously related to climate.   Earthquakes are not related to climate outside (possibly) the very narrow context of ice-sheet melt.  Meteor strikes are clearly not related to climate. Nobody is claiming otherwise, nor should we expect them to in the future. 

I'm no more an expert than you, but in an age of QAnon and other such absurdities it seems pretty far from "irrational" to contemplate the impact of warming on events related to climate. 







Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 10:35:29 AM
Whoever suggested to Biden to talk into the camera and plead to America directly needs to go. It comes across as staged, disengenous, and pre planned.



Thought the same exact thing. Typical career politician move. Which is probably the only place in the debate where he excelled. But theres enough stupid people who fall for that shit so who knows.


And what was with the bizarre instances where he was often caught staring off into space of making strange/contorted facial gestures?  At one point I thought he was trying to feign shock at what Trump was saying, or by forcing a laugh come off as if he was mocking what Trump was saying, but then I realized that even when Wallace was speaking he was doing this and appeared to be in discomfort. His health is definitely questionable and it was also clear he was reading off note cards quite a bit. I ve said before I wouldn't have minded Biden if he chose a reasonable running mate. But since he picked the looney tunes socialist with a diversity checklist its definitely reasonable to wonder about his health and who you are really electing if he gets in.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on September 30, 2020, 11:09:54 AM
Everyone here has an opinion , and an a$$hole and none matters...
Has anyone seen any polls post debate , especially from swing states? Those matter.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: orthopa on September 30, 2020, 11:15:53 AM
I think is a bit of a stretch to blame natural disasters such as hurricanes, fires on global warming. Whats next, earth quakes and metor strikes? We have a couple hundred year perspective on weather and climate with poor record taking for the beginning of the sliver of time that we have records for. I hope nobody rational believes that.

What's with the false equivalence?

Hurricanes and fires are directly and obviously related to climate.   Earthquakes are not related to climate outside (possibly) the very narrow context of ice-sheet melt.  Meteor strikes are clearly not related to climate. Nobody is claiming otherwise, nor should we expect them to in the future. 

I'm no more an expert than you, but in an age of QAnon and other such absurdities it seems pretty far from "irrational" to contemplate the impact of warming on events related to climate.

Whats with blaming a year of bad fires on the climate? You think its rational to compare and make judgements regarding weather/climate as well as what is normal ,what the degree of change is etc with weather records starting ~1880 for a planet that is around 4.5 Billion years old?

Do you have any idea what the weather was like say in 1550 and if its any different now? How we are going to ask the chemeheuvi tribes how the fires were in California in 1550?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: orthopa on September 30, 2020, 11:22:26 AM
Everyone here has an opinion , and an a$$hole and none matters...
Has anyone seen any polls post debate , especially from swing states? Those matter.

Has anyone in this thread ever been called or contacted for a poll let alone met or talked to anyone that has? who are these people?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 11:28:41 AM
Everyone here has an opinion , and an a$$hole and none matters...
Has anyone seen any polls post debate , especially from swing states? Those matter.

Has anyone in this thread ever been called or contacted for a poll let alone met or talked to anyone that has? who are these people?

They are mostly the elderly who have a landline and answer calls from unknown numbers.
Basically the same group of people who get taken advantage of by phone scammers and telemarketers.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on September 30, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
Everyone here has an opinion , and an a$$hole and none matters...
Has anyone seen any polls post debate , especially from swing states? Those matter.
Frank Lutz had a live focus group with undecideds in swing states. It was... not good.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: doc75 on September 30, 2020, 11:54:45 AM
I think is a bit of a stretch to blame natural disasters such as hurricanes, fires on global warming. Whats next, earth quakes and metor strikes? We have a couple hundred year perspective on weather and climate with poor record taking for the beginning of the sliver of time that we have records for. I hope nobody rational believes that.

What's with the false equivalence?

Hurricanes and fires are directly and obviously related to climate.   Earthquakes are not related to climate outside (possibly) the very narrow context of ice-sheet melt.  Meteor strikes are clearly not related to climate. Nobody is claiming otherwise, nor should we expect them to in the future. 

I'm no more an expert than you, but in an age of QAnon and other such absurdities it seems pretty far from "irrational" to contemplate the impact of warming on events related to climate.

Whats with blaming a year of bad fires on the climate? You think its rational to compare and make judgements regarding weather/climate as well as what is normal ,what the degree of change is etc with weather records starting ~1880 for a planet that is around 4.5 Billion years old?

Do you have any idea what the weather was like say in 1550 and if its any different now? How we are going to ask the chemeheuvi tribes how the fires were in California in 1550?

No, we agree that blaming specific events explicitly on climate change isn't rational.  In this regard the news headlines often misstate the views of serious experts.  But I think it's entirely rational to study the impact of climatic changes on near-future events, even if the data is noisy.   The argument involving poor records / tiny slice of history / too little data has plenty of merit, but IMO can only be taken so far.  We'll never have precise climate/event data spanning a significant period of earth's history.  The picture will get clearer with time but we'll always be extrapolating from a small sample.   

Anyway, mostly my points were:

- You were commenting on others' irrationality while making an irrational equivalence with quakes and meteor strikes. 

- I'm amazed that so many people are simultaneously skeptical about climate science while being so willing to adopt all sorts of loony conspiracy theories.  Not you in particular.  I did not make this point well.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on September 30, 2020, 12:07:52 PM
“Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.”

Really?

The real fool is the person who agreed to participate in a debate and then ignored the rules to which he had agreed and proceeded to show the whole world that he was incapable of any self control.

If anyone believes those are the qualities of a great leader, judge yourself accordingly.

This is a must read post and you are 100% correct. Thank you for the incredible synopsis on why Biden's policies are preferable to Trump's.

Nice dodge to the subject of the post. I can see why Trump supporters would be frustrated by his performance. The man demonstrated that he has no ability to play by the rules or control his mouth or emotions. You think that is not a dangerous characteristic in a leader in control of the world's largest military? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on September 30, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
Whoever suggested to Biden to talk into the camera and plead to America directly needs to go. It comes across as staged, disengenous, and pre planned.



Thought the same exact thing. Typical career politician move. Which is probably the only place in the debate where he excelled. But theres enough stupid people who fall for that shit so who knows.


And what was with the bizarre instances where he was often caught staring off into space of making strange/contorted facial gestures?  At one point I thought he was trying to feign shock at what Trump was saying, or by forcing a laugh come off as if he was mocking what Trump was saying, but then I realized that even when Wallace was speaking he was doing this and appeared to be in discomfort. His health is definitely questionable and it was also clear he was reading off note cards quite a bit. I ve said before

Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine, just before important public appearances.... If not regularly like Hunter.


Short-Term Effects
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on September 30, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on September 30, 2020, 12:39:53 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...

Obama?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: adesigar on September 30, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/

It’s visible right at the beginning of the debate when he coughs. But it’s a rosary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a09d1a7e4b00a6eece32633/amp
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on September 30, 2020, 12:48:24 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...

Obama?

:)
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on September 30, 2020, 12:56:31 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/

It’s visible right at the beginning of the debate when he coughs. But it’s a rosary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a09d1a7e4b00a6eece32633/amp

No way. It’s definitely a drug pump for his Alzheimer’s meds combined with a listening device hooked up directly to Hillary’s war room in chappaqua.

How else could he possibly even stand in the same room as the god emperor Donny “Proud Daddy” Trumpf and not be reduced to a quivering pool of pure nirvana??
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on September 30, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...

It’s Value^2 roundabout way of saying that Biden won the debate.

Gregmal opening up new threads in the political forum and hammering away on posts is another.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on September 30, 2020, 01:12:20 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...

It’s Value^2 roundabout way of saying that Biden won the debate.

Gregmal opening up new threads in the political forum and hammering away on posts is another.

Dont forget the futures being down!

Except the market ended up nicely and I am not aware of any new politics threads I started since the debate last night, so......

Futures down means Biden wins. Futures up means Biden wins. Greg opens new politics thread Biden wins, Greg doesnt open new thread, Biden wins. A lot to think about for sure!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 01:47:52 PM
All you need to know about the type of people who answer the phone to take polls is that 17% of them felt "informed" by last night's debate.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-won-debate-first-presidential-biden-trump/
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on September 30, 2020, 01:56:23 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...

It’s Value^2 roundabout way of saying that Biden won the debate.

Gregmal opening up new threads in the political forum and hammering away on posts is another.

 ;D

Here’s another surefire indicator of who won:

https://mobile.twitter.com/colbyhall/status/1311286222082408449?s=20
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 30, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
Too bad they didn't drug test him. Most likely he's been taking some cocaine,...
Short-term health effects of cocaine include:
----------------------------------------------------
extreme happiness and energy
mental alertness
hypersensitivity to sight, sound, and touch
irritability
paranoia—extreme and unreasonable distrust of others


WOW, you know who else that describes...

It’s Value^2 roundabout way of saying that Biden won the debate.

Gregmal opening up new threads in the political forum and hammering away on posts is another.

Dont forget the futures being down!

Except the market ended up nicely and I am not aware of any new politics threads I started since the debate last night, so......

Futures down means Biden wins. Futures up means Biden wins. Greg opens new politics thread Biden wins, Greg doesnt open new thread, Biden wins. A lot to think about for sure!

Not sure but i think markets were up today because of all the talk of the talk around stimulus package (you know meetings between Trump’s team and Pelosi.) Funny though... pipeline stocks were down solidly? Suggesting Biden win... But hey who really knows. Just kind of interesting.

Or maybe, just maybe the markets are starting to think a Biden win will be good for stocks moving forward. I know, i know - heresy, to even think such things let alone utter the words (or spell in this case). Some of you guys might want to get prepared and buy a case of Depends diapers.

Regarding the stimulus bill, Trump really needs some help right now. His campaign is in deep shit. Why are Senate Republicans not throwing him a life line? Interesting.... Et tu, Brute?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on September 30, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
I want to see Hunter Biden with a mound of cocaine in a bare-knuckle brawl against Trump's kids. I know he's outnumbered but I still think he's the heavy favorite.

No shit. That debate was uglier than food-fight in Animal House.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Parsad on September 30, 2020, 03:44:15 PM
Here is the viewpoint from a rational, smart man:

BET founder Robert Johnson says 'I will take the devil I know,' adding he doesn't know what Biden will do
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/robert-johnson-i-will-take-the-devil-i-know-dont-know-what-biden-will-do.html

How is that rational?  I'll eat the shit I know, instead of the shit I don't know.  Yeah, rational man!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Parsad on September 30, 2020, 03:46:17 PM
I want to see Hunter Biden with a mound of cocaine in a bare-knuckle brawl against Trump's kids. I know he's outnumbered but I still think he's the heavy favorite.

Yes, please!  +1.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on September 30, 2020, 04:49:40 PM
Trump wants all ‘fools’ to stay at home. If all the ‘fools’ actually get out and vote then Trump is sunk.

PS: the ‘fool’ play on words is in reference to the title of this thread :-)

Atlanta exotic dancers' 'Get Your Booty to the Poll' PSA grabs attention
- https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/entertainment/exotic-dancer-booty-to-poll/index.html
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on September 30, 2020, 05:14:07 PM
Trump wants all ‘fools’ to stay at home. If all the ‘fools’ actually get out and vote then Trump is sunk.

PS: the ‘fool’ play on words is in reference to the title of this thread :-)

Atlanta exotic dancers' 'Get Your Booty to the Poll' PSA grabs attention
- https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/entertainment/exotic-dancer-booty-to-poll/index.html

OT - speaking of “exotic dancers” and since there are so many Canadians here - I have fond memories of “Barbarella’s exotic dancers” in Ottawa, which apparently became  “Barbarella’s VIP club”. Anyone knows this place?

Went there a couple of times during he peak of the telecom boom in 2000, since our hotel was conveniently on the other side of the street. That place was busy at hat time, with so much easy money sloshing around and we added a little too. Now permanently closed probably due to COVID-19. So sad 😰.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 06:04:09 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/

It’s visible right at the beginning of the debate when he coughs. But it’s a rosary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a09d1a7e4b00a6eece32633/amp

No way. It’s definitely a drug pump for his Alzheimer’s meds combined with a listening device hooked up directly to Hillary’s war room in chappaqua.

How else could he possibly even stand in the same room as the god emperor Donny “Proud Daddy” Trumpf and not be reduced to a quivering pool of pure nirvana??

I figured out what it is.  I'm surprised he didn't use them.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78gxpu
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on September 30, 2020, 06:08:01 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/

It’s visible right at the beginning of the debate when he coughs. But it’s a rosary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a09d1a7e4b00a6eece32633/amp

No way. It’s definitely a drug pump for his Alzheimer’s meds combined with a listening device hooked up directly to Hillary’s war room in chappaqua.

How else could he possibly even stand in the same room as the god emperor Donny “Proud Daddy” Trumpf and not be reduced to a quivering pool of pure nirvana??

I figured out what it is.  I'm surprised he didn't use them.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78gxpu
Ok, setting aside your initial conspiracy nonsense bullshit, those things are seriously cool. How does the guy that made them not have a billion already?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on September 30, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/

It’s visible right at the beginning of the debate when he coughs. But it’s a rosary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a09d1a7e4b00a6eece32633/amp

No way. It’s definitely a drug pump for his Alzheimer’s meds combined with a listening device hooked up directly to Hillary’s war room in chappaqua.

How else could he possibly even stand in the same room as the god emperor Donny “Proud Daddy” Trumpf and not be reduced to a quivering pool of pure nirvana??

LOL, Trump could have a listening device to the almighty Lord predicting the future or Reagan’s ghost and it wouldn’t make one iota of a difference because he doesn’t listens to anyone.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on September 30, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
I'm not saying this is true.  I didn't notice the thing on his wrist watching the debate, so it could be photoshopped, but I keep seeing people posting pictures of his wrist with this thing on it today.  I was thinking some kind of drug pump, but this redditor says its a communication device.

https://www.reddit.com/r/trump/comments/j2p8pk/sleepy_joe_won_the_first_presidential_debate_with/

It’s visible right at the beginning of the debate when he coughs. But it’s a rosary.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a09d1a7e4b00a6eece32633/amp

No way. It’s definitely a drug pump for his Alzheimer’s meds combined with a listening device hooked up directly to Hillary’s war room in chappaqua.

How else could he possibly even stand in the same room as the god emperor Donny “Proud Daddy” Trumpf and not be reduced to a quivering pool of pure nirvana??

I figured out what it is.  I'm surprised he didn't use them.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78gxpu
Ok, setting aside your initial conspiracy nonsense bullshit, those things are seriously cool. How does the guy that made them not have a billion already?

It's clearly market failure. Maybe Biden will raise taxes and have the government buy everyone a set.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on October 01, 2020, 03:13:38 AM
It's hilarious how Trump voters are splitting hairs trying prove Trump wasn't endorsing a domestic terrorist group. Meanwhile members of the group are admitting they are emboldened by those very comments:

Trump comments embolden far-right Proud Boys  - https://on.ft.com/3ioCl8Q via @FT

“President Trump told the Proud Boys to stand by because someone needs to deal with ANTIFA . . . well sir! we’re ready!!" Joe Biggs, a Proud Boys member, wrote on Parler, an alternative social media network, in a reference to radical anti-fascist protesters.


The fire is already lit. Meanwhile Trump defenders are busy dissecting the transcript to make themselves feel better about supporting a pyromaniac.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 06:35:49 AM
And you ignore every time he has denounced these organizations. First president to label KKK as a domestic terrorist organization. Same with ANTIFA. Try to watch more than sound bytes...

Meanwhile you endorse Joe Biden a guy who has 40 years of blatantly racist quotes on record. Do we need to list them again? Let's not forget the pedo issues either. Hell even back in 2016 CNN spent half their time talking about these very issue in regards to Joe Biden. Why aren't they issues now?

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 01, 2020, 06:41:08 AM
Who cares. Bitches be bitchin....When I go to the zoo I expect to see pigs roll around in their shit and chimpanzees scratch their asses. In life, I expect liberals to act like liberals as well.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on October 01, 2020, 07:43:43 AM
And you ignore every time he has denounced these organizations. First president to label KKK as a domestic terrorist organization. Same with ANTIFA. Try to watch more than sound bytes...


It doesn't matter whatsoever that he's denounced "these organizations" in the past, I'm talking about the present. What he said on Tue had an effect on those terrorists and that's the point. Everything else you mentioned is a deflection or whataboutism.

Edit: And I watched the entire debate, not jus sound bytes, thanks. Though, I don't think you need anything more than a soundbyte of that exchange to prove the point here.

Edit2: What's crazy is that we were talking about whether what he said on Tue inflamed the Proud Boys, you spent a few massive posts dissecting those comments to prove it wrong, and then the Proud Boys admitted they were emboldened anyway. That's what this is about. And now suddenly you moved the goal posts to "everytime he's denounced those organizations except for during the debate Tuesday, which doesn't count" lol
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: dwy000 on October 01, 2020, 08:09:00 AM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men. 
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

It was said like a week ago...

Nobody on liberal MSM networks...

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 01, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

It was said like a week ago...

Nobody on liberal MSM networks...
Yep, only cooks on the "alternative" networks. I love it how right wing folks are trying to make Joe Biden a racist. It's hilarious. Yes, Barack Obama, the first black presidential candidate went ahead and chose a racist as his running mate. As black people usually do. 🤣
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 11:20:10 AM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

It was said like a week ago...

Nobody on liberal MSM networks...
Yep, only cooks on the "alternative" networks. I love it how right wing folks are trying to make Joe Biden a racist. It's hilarious. Yes, Barack Obama, the first black presidential candidate went ahead and chose a racist as his running mate. As black people usually do. 🤣

Well Kamala called him a racist and said she believed the women who said he assaulted them during the debates......then accepted his VP nomination.

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 01, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

It was said like a week ago...

Nobody on liberal MSM networks...
Yep, only cooks on the "alternative" networks. I love it how right wing folks are trying to make Joe Biden a racist. It's hilarious. Yes, Barack Obama, the first black presidential candidate went ahead and chose a racist as his running mate. As black people usually do. 🤣

Well Kamala called him a racist and said she believed the women who said he assaulted them during the debates......then accepted his VP nomination.
Sure. Only problem with that is that it didn't happen.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9244041620

I guess errors like these will happen when your news source is Don Junior.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 01, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

It was said like a week ago...

Nobody on liberal MSM networks...
Yep, only cooks on the "alternative" networks. I love it how right wing folks are trying to make Joe Biden a racist. It's hilarious. Yes, Barack Obama, the first black presidential candidate went ahead and chose a racist as his running mate. As black people usually do. 🤣

Well Kamala called him a racist and said she believed the women who said he assaulted them during the debates......then accepted his VP nomination.
Sure. Only problem with that is that it didn't happen.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9244041620

I guess errors like these will happen when your news source is Don Junior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msRaVts2feU

"I believe them and I respect their courage to come tell their story." Yup didn't happen. Also Harris "never" said her and Joe would have been on opposite sides of the aisle after he praised two congressmen who were pro segregation. Also she never called out Joe for his busing laws right?

You're right though, she didn't call him specifically a "racist" but she said everything but that and trashed his racial record. That is called political gamesmanship and not burning the bridge that might give you a spot in office. Kamala Harris believes Joe is a racist just like Obama believed his was an idiot who could "fuck everything up."

Joe Biden Quotes:

"I don't want my kids to grow up in a racial jungle."

"Black and brown kids can be just as smart as white kids."

"There is an awful lot of Somali cab drivers in Delaware."

"You ain't black if you don't vote for me."

"I mean you've got the first sort of mainstream African American, who is articulate and bright, and clean and [a] nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man,"

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: flesh on October 01, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
I voted for Hillary, because I was worried about Trump and the military.

Now I'll vote for Trump. The problem is simply how far left things have moved since 2016 based on
the democratic debates amongst other things.

I don't believe big government will help. My wife is from Barcelona, long term, big govt will lose on all fronts.

I don't believe we should have ever shut down. Should we compare
covid deaths to other resultant deaths caused by economic hardship in lives or life years? Who would my 76 yr old
father choose? Does everything except life add up to nothing? All you needed here was the Italian initial data.
 
I believe most of the post modern ideology is being misunderstood by those espousing it, in over their heads.
This stuff is complicated, it's risky to objectify yourself before you've objectified the world. No short cuts.

I'm concerned about climate change, seriously, the green new deal is probably the most expensive way
to do it. It kills me going scuba diving again in places I went to 15 years ago. Absolute disaster.

I haven't told anybody I'll vote for him because he's an asshole.



Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 01, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

It was said like a week ago...

Nobody on liberal MSM networks...
Yep, only cooks on the "alternative" networks. I love it how right wing folks are trying to make Joe Biden a racist. It's hilarious. Yes, Barack Obama, the first black presidential candidate went ahead and chose a racist as his running mate. As black people usually do. 🤣

Well Kamala called him a racist and said she believed the women who said he assaulted them during the debates......then accepted his VP nomination.

You gotta love how America is "Systemically Racist", but Obama/Biden ran the country for 8 years. What did they do about it?    Nothin'

And when Barrack has a chance to do something for his beloved Chicago - he parks his ass in Martha's Vineyard for the duration. He wants nothing
to do with Chicago!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 01, 2020, 01:46:10 PM
Its just telling that nobody ever has to ask Biden to denounce white supremacists.  And Trump's team has to look up historic anti-KKK statements to support their candidate. Image is everything and that tells you exactly what America's image is of both men.

What else do you need to know about Biden - Robert Byrd was his mentor and Strom Thurmond, one of his heroes!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 02, 2020, 03:43:38 PM
https://streamable.com/sr9o2s

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 02, 2020, 03:52:02 PM
https://streamable.com/sr9o2s

Oh boy, that is a good one!

What a bunch of idiots!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 07, 2020, 08:09:46 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/biden-nationally-televised-hourlong-infomercial-426754

So, a fake Town Hall, and individuals who were staged to appear, and represented by the MSM as "undecided" who were actually shills for Biden....How stupid are folks?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 08, 2020, 11:42:54 AM
Really too bad to see this kind of stuff. Shows how demented the LEFT really is.
If you have the right political affiliation - you are largely safe from prosecution in some areas:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-nearly-70-of-portland-rioters-had-charges-dropped-by-progressive-da

Nearly 70% of the individuals arrested during the riots and unrest in Portland, which stretched from the end of May through early October, had their charges dismissed by the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office, according to data released Thursday.


Thursday’s numbers show Schmidt was serious. Of 974 cases referred to the Multnomah DA’s office for prosecution, 666 were rejected — 68% of all referred cases.

Unfortunately, it's happening here in Chicago as well, with our Cook County DA, Kim Foxx, who let Jessie Smolett off the hook.

Just an invitation for more violence without consequences. Really never thought I'd see this in the USA.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 08, 2020, 12:17:34 PM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on October 08, 2020, 12:54:57 PM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”


LIBERATE MICHIGAN!!! - Imbecille


In other news today:

The Autocrat demanded on TV that his DOJ imprison the former POTUS, VP and Secretary of State
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 08, 2020, 01:03:55 PM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”


This kind of stuff likely happens all the time (maybe not at this scale), but it's politically convenient to mention it now. There is always some asshole waiting for their 30 seconds of fame. Maybe if she wasn't such a tyrant she wouldn't have such threats?

Rand Paul got the shit kicked out of him and was attacked again but luckily got away. Steve Scalise was shot. The past three months there have been dozens of politicians who have been threatened at their homes. I believe the Mayor of Portland almost had his apartment complex set on fire by ANTIFA.

Honestly, I think a lot of politicians on both sides of the aisle could use a good "ass puckering" situation every once in a while. Remind them who they work for. Not saying an assassination attempt obviously....but maybe a good shoe throwing like Bush experienced ;D



Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Castanza on October 08, 2020, 01:05:30 PM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”


LIBERATE MICHIGAN!!! - Imbecille


In other news today:

The Autocrat demanded on TV that his DOJ imprison the former POTUS, VP and Secretary of State

Works both ways ;)

https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status/1298022930887081984?s=21
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2020, 01:36:33 PM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”


I guess we can expect their invitation to the White House any day now... Hey, just a bunch of good people looking to have a little fun :-) Remember it is the left who is going to destroy America.

PS: coincidence that the FBI said right wing extremists were largest threat for domestic terrorism...
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 08, 2020, 01:37:49 PM
Well, the rules have already clearly been defined. Burn buildings, assault normal citizens, loot...all good. Go after a politician, life in prison....
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
Well, the rules have already clearly been defined. Burn buildings, assault normal citizens, loot...all good. Go after a politician, life in prison....

Are you suggesting someone who takes out the President is the same as some other person who throws a chair through a window?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 08, 2020, 02:48:37 PM
Quote
Go after a politician, life in prison....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej05A4TXsAAvscv?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 08, 2020, 02:54:21 PM
A sign?

The virus is THE election issue. McConnell’s comment is the opposite of Trump’s message.

McConnell says he’s been avoiding the White House for months because of lack of virus precautions there.
- https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/08/us/harris-pence-trump-biden?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage#mcconnell-says-hes-been-avoiding-the-white-house-for-months-because-of-lack-of-virus-precautions-there

Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, said on Thursday that he had been avoiding the White House since midsummer over concerns that officials there were not taking proper precautions against the coronavirus.

“My impression was that their approach to how to handle this was different from mine and what I insisted that we do in the Senate, which is to wear a mask and practice social distancing,” Mr. McConnell told reporters in Hebron, Ky.

He said he had not visited the White House since Aug. 6, when he met with President Trump to discuss negotiations over additional stimulus legislation.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Jurgis on October 08, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
It is possible that McConnell is ready to give up on Trump. Not explicitly clearly.

Et tu, Mitchus?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Mephistopheles on October 08, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
McConnell has already semi given up on Trump but not fully. That will not happen until Trump's mentally ill base shrinks. Until then, distancing from Trump to help GOP maintain Senate majority while not alienating the extremist Trumpers is a careful balancing act.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 08, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”


Sooooo....branching off this, but not talking about this instance specifically, the 2nd amendment and large portions of what the country was founded upon was the belief that citizens had a right to stand up to, and in cases where it was warranted, overthrow government. Under what circumstances would this be warranted? Stealing peoples freedoms is a pretty big deal. Destroying their livelihoods and family businesses while still taxing them, is downright despicable.

And what would happen if citizens did decide to rise up? Government has gotten so powerful its hard to imagine anything but a bloodbath for any citizen that dares stand up.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 09, 2020, 07:50:18 AM
Government is supposed to work for the people and not the opposite.

However, I suspect that a lot of the loud leftists mouths here are: on payroll, looking for handouts or they are simply unaware of history. Maybe just not really smart.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 09, 2020, 08:51:38 AM
That's why those leftist states contribute more to GDP. Cuz they're on the dole.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 09, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
In reference to the title of this thread: There are plenty of fools out there, some more dangerous than others.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer-idUSKBN26T2ZF

Thirteen arrested in plots to kidnap Michigan governor, incite unrest

“Fox and Croft in particular... discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the home and Fox even inspected the underside of a Michigan highway bridge for places to seat an explosive,” Birge said, referring to planning to target Whitmer’s home.

Birge said law enforcement arrested several of the alleged conspirators “when they were meeting on the east side of the state to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.”


Sooooo....branching off this, but not talking about this instance specifically, the 2nd amendment and large portions of what the country was founded upon was the belief that citizens had a right to stand up to, and in cases where it was warranted, overthrow government. Under what circumstances would this be warranted? Stealing peoples freedoms is a pretty big deal. Destroying their livelihoods and family businesses while still taxing them, is downright despicable.

And what would happen if citizens did decide to rise up? Government has gotten so powerful its hard to imagine anything but a bloodbath for any citizen that dares stand up.
Pretty much everything in that post is incorrect. But it all pretty much stems from the stated belief that the 2nd amendment was enacted in order to stand up to and overthrow the gov't. It wasn't. Just cause some wackadoos think so still doesn't mean that it was.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 09, 2020, 09:13:03 AM
Government is supposed to work for the people and not the opposite.

However, I suspect that a lot of the loud leftists mouths here are: on payroll, looking for handouts or they are simply unaware of history. Maybe just not really smart.

Cardboard
Can someone, please, please tell where i can go to get on the payroll? I hearing about all these payrolls but can't seem to find the registration office for the life of me.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: dwy000 on October 09, 2020, 09:16:39 AM
The constitution is very, very clear on how to deal with a government with whom you disagree.  Vote them out (as is happening right now with Trump).

Overthrowing is not a solution to policies you don't like, it is only a solution when the government has removed your ability to do it legally under the constitution (as Mike Lee seems to imply by suggesting democracy is not needed).
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 09, 2020, 09:21:00 AM
LOL Our country was founded on freedoms and checks and balances designed to prevent, among other things, tyrannical and overreaching government, and taxation without representation. It was inspired by events occurring and prevalent not just in England but also France. I suggest reading Federalist 46 if you think otherwise. This is 4th grade US History.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 09, 2020, 10:10:04 AM
LOL Our country was founded on freedoms and checks and balances designed to prevent, among other things, tyrannical and overreaching government, and taxation without representation. It was inspired by events occurring and prevalent not just in England but also France. I suggest reading Federalist 46 if you think otherwise. This is 4th grade US History.
Big leap from there to overthrowing governments.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 09, 2020, 10:16:01 AM
LOL Our country was founded on freedoms and checks and balances designed to prevent, among other things, tyrannical and overreaching government, and taxation without representation. It was inspired by events occurring and prevalent not just in England but also France. I suggest reading Federalist 46 if you think otherwise. This is 4th grade US History.

Trump is shredding pretty much every pillar on which the USA was founded on. With loyalty to Trump above loyalty to the US. This is an indisputable fact. Just ask the many Republicans who have served under him and now say he is a danger to the country and unfit to govern.

When you have an autocracy you do not have freedoms or checks and balances. You have a tyrannical and overreaching government.

The election offers a very clear choice. And it is about the future of American democracy. Do you want something along the lines of what the founding fathers envisioned? (Biden) Or, do you want instead a monarchy/cult where all citizens swear allegiance to a demented King? (Trump)

We will see what the people decide in 3.5 weeks. It is clear Trump is starting to panic. Get ready for fireworks. To stay in power all options are on the table. He does not give a shit about the US, its people or its constitution. The King only cares about saving his own neck.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 09, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
Not if you've read it and understand the situation and events that inspired it. There is a reason the wording states "foreign and domestic" and it is not a secret America was basically created by people sick and tired of what was going on in England. Almost everything in the constitution is centered on the idea that the government is in place to serve the people, not dictate. And yet here we are. As was said in another thread, we literally just had situations where people were being arrested and fined for walking alone on the beach, or trying to run their businesses.....
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 09, 2020, 10:23:54 AM
LOL Our country was founded on freedoms and checks and balances designed to prevent, among other things, tyrannical and overreaching government, and taxation without representation. It was inspired by events occurring and prevalent not just in England but also France. I suggest reading Federalist 46 if you think otherwise. This is 4th grade US History.

Trump is shredding pretty much every pillar on which the USA was founded on. With loyalty to Trump above loyalty to the US. This is an indisputable fact. Just ask the many Republicans who have served under him and now say he is a danger to the country and unfit to govern.

When you have an autocracy you do not have freedoms or checks and balances. You have a tyrannical and overreaching government.

The election offers a very clear choice. And it is about the future of American democracy. Do you want something along the lines of what the founding fathers envisioned? (Biden) Or, do you want instead a monarchy/cult where all citizens swear allegiance to a demented King? (Trump)

We will see what the people decide in 3.5 weeks. It is clear Trump is starting to panic. Get ready for fireworks. To stay in power all options are on the table. He does not give a shit about the US, its people or its constitution. The King only cares about saving his own neck.

I've said before that I'd be fine with Biden. Harris though is definitely not an acceptable option. Did you see her at the debate? Looked like she had Tourettes with all the weird facial stuff going on.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 09, 2020, 10:45:08 AM
I'm all for a determined, educated, and sometimes aggressive populace. I think the idea that the government is here to serve us, is a good one. And they should be periodically remind them of that.

Aside, I think that corporations are here to serve us in a similar fashion. Remember, government (we) grants corporate charters.

So now you've got these militias trying to overthrow the government in MI.
And elsewhere you've got antifa or whatever-they're-called-today trying to destroy police/state/federal buildings in various cities.

But they each think the other is wrong? They're both doing the same thing - violently trying to change the government.

Perhaps they would be more effective if they realized and worked towards a common goal  ;D
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: sleepydragon on October 09, 2020, 10:52:17 AM
I was thinking about voting for Biden until I leaned he is going to raise tax, both personal and corporate. Now I am not sure anymore.  :-X
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 09, 2020, 10:53:41 AM
LOL Our country was founded on freedoms and checks and balances designed to prevent, among other things, tyrannical and overreaching government, and taxation without representation. It was inspired by events occurring and prevalent not just in England but also France. I suggest reading Federalist 46 if you think otherwise. This is 4th grade US History.

Trump is shredding pretty much every pillar on which the USA was founded on. With loyalty to Trump above loyalty to the US. This is an indisputable fact. Just ask the many Republicans who have served under him and now say he is a danger to the country and unfit to govern.

When you have an autocracy you do not have freedoms or checks and balances. You have a tyrannical and overreaching government.

The election offers a very clear choice. And it is about the future of American democracy. Do you want something along the lines of what the founding fathers envisioned? (Biden) Or, do you want instead a monarchy/cult where all citizens swear allegiance to a demented King? (Trump)

We will see what the people decide in 3.5 weeks. It is clear Trump is starting to panic. Get ready for fireworks. To stay in power all options are on the table. He does not give a shit about the US, its people or its constitution. The King only cares about saving his own neck.

I've said before that I'd be fine with Biden. Harris though is definitely not an acceptable option. Did you see her at the debate? Looked like she had Tourettes with all the weird facial stuff going on.

VP is a non-issue. Regardless, even if they win, the Democrats will be constrained. There will be another election in 2 years and if they move the country too far left they will lose at the ballot box.

Look at how little the Republicans actually got done in their first 2 years even though they had all three houses. They went after Obamacare, did’t get rid of it in the end, and health care was THE issue in the 2018 campaign that cost Republicans dearly. Bottom line, if the governing party does stupid things they will get tuned back to reality in the next election (they happen every 2 years). Republicans got slapped by the electorate in 2018 and it looks like they may be taken out behind the woodshed in 2020.

The Republicans challenge in the next 3.5 weeks is what to do about Trump. It looks like the ‘break’ in the electorate may be to Biden. In 2016 the ‘break’ at the very end of the campaign was to Trump.

The Senate is perhaps the key. If Democrats pick up the Senate by a couple of seats (blue wave) they will be able to be more aggressive with their agenda. If Trump implodes he may ignite that blue wave. And I think senate seats are 6 year terms...
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 09, 2020, 11:07:47 AM
I'm all for a determined, educated, and sometimes aggressive populace. I think the idea that the government is here to serve us, is a good one. And they should be periodically remind them of that.

Aside, I think that corporations are here to serve us in a similar fashion. Remember, government (we) grants corporate charters.

So now you've got these militias trying to overthrow the government in MI.
And elsewhere you've got antifa or whatever-they're-called-today trying to destroy police/state/federal buildings in various cities.

But they each think the other is wrong? They're both doing the same thing - violently trying to change the government.

Perhaps they would be more effective if they realized and worked towards a common goal  ;D

I think the problem on both sides is they look at these groups and go "fuck them, they are the enemy"...which isn't exactly wrong, but it totally misses the point, which is basically that "hey, they're here because they're fed up with you. Change your fucking behavior"....
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on October 09, 2020, 11:41:37 AM
I think the idea that the government is here to serve us, is a good one.

See that's where you are wrong.  Right from the start and everything you believe based on and built upon that false premise is also wrong.

Government has killed more people, destroyed more resources, and caused more human suffering than any other idea that human beings have ever come up with. 
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 09, 2020, 09:04:56 PM
That's such a general statement it's almost meaningless.

Are we attributing the deaths during WW2 to "government"? What about government tax breaks to O&G? Is gov't responsible for the environmental damage from that industry?

But what about all the benefits from O&G - can gov't claim those?

On the other side of the coin, government funding sustained the research facility responsible for the TB vaccine, which has killed 1+ billion people. Do they get credit for that?

What about gov't lockdowns during COVID? Did they save lives? Or cause even more death?

If gov't is so bad - why has almost every human civilization had one?

And to label it the worst idea human beings have ever come up with? I could think of a handful of things which would cause me to permanently leave the USA, but having a government isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 10, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
They should really hurry up with that Nobel peace prize for Trump:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/north-korea-unveils-monster-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-at-parade-idUSKBN26V01K?il=0
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 14, 2020, 06:21:53 AM
Let's bring back this post/title to the forefront as we need to defend our liberties against leftists fools.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 06:43:26 AM
Here's a taste of what's to come

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3622070-sen-warren-slams-disney-wants-info-on-pay-and-capital-returns-company-lays-off-workers

How dare a company owned by shareholders take care of shareholders! We refused to let you open your business, and you chose to fire employees you no longer needed because you are evil and greedy!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 14, 2020, 07:48:51 AM
Probably what Viking and Dalai.Lama holdings want.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 14, 2020, 10:31:15 AM
Probably what Viking and Dalai.Lama holdings want.

Cardboard

Cardboard, if you are asking, no i do not agree with Elizabeth Warren. In the future, if you want to know what i think you might want to ask.

Yes, i am hard on Trump. That does not mean i support Elizabeth Warren.

Lots of conservatives think Trump is an idiot and a danger to America and American democracy. That does not mean they are not conservatives.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 14, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
Probably what Viking and Dalai.Lama holdings want.

Cardboard

Cardboard, if you are asking, no i do not agree with Elizabeth Warren. In the future, if you want to know what i think you might want to ask.

Yes, i am hard on Trump. That does not mean i support Elizabeth Warren.

Lots of conservatives think Trump is an idiot and a danger to America and American democracy. That does not mean they are not conservatives.

Kardboard prefers to speak for others. How dare we go hard on Mr. Trump. Must mean we’re for everything Warren says. I guess Mitt Romney also supports Warren:

https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1316023618422235138?s=20
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
Yes Viking, that is true, but choosing socialism over a conservative you dont like is a little bit of a stretch. And as Ive said before, I try not to lump you into the same category as some of the other fruitcakes....but the position can be perplexing when observing it the way you do. How does any "conservative" support a solution that includes the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Koomala Harris, etc? You dont like Trump; fine. Perfectly reasonable. Dislike him so much you choose to support the antithesis of what you claim to be?(conservative)..tough sell.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: stahleyp on October 14, 2020, 10:50:44 AM
Warren isn't too bad. She's right that the middle class needs someone fighting for it. Executives have "executive compensation consultants" working for them. You blow up as an executive? Golden parachute! Blow up as an regular employee? Congrats, you're fired (and might lose your home).
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
Warren isn't too bad. She's right that the middle class needs someone fighting for it. Executives have "executive compensation consultants" working for them. You blow up as an executive? Golden parachute! Blow up as an regular employee? Congrats, you're fired (and might lose your home).

Again, this is a fair take, but its hardly a position a conservative would have. Government has no business in the markets. If I want to borrow money, I venture out and attempt to find the best terms for myself. If I cant...dont borrow. If I do but make a bad deal...I should suffer. Not get a mulligan. We dont really need the government picking pockets. Or saying "you're too good at this, so because of that you need to walk around with a 50 lbs weight on your chest to even the playing field." This is all loser mentality. The lower class in this country are spoiled rotten. Send them to India or Africa for a scared straight type program and maybe they'll get their acts together. Your iPhone, Nike's, and 3 warm meals a day is often more than other country's middle classes have.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: stahleyp on October 14, 2020, 11:29:10 AM
Warren isn't too bad. She's right that the middle class needs someone fighting for it. Executives have "executive compensation consultants" working for them. You blow up as an executive? Golden parachute! Blow up as an regular employee? Congrats, you're fired (and might lose your home).

Again, this is a fair take, but its hardly a position a conservative would have. Government has no business in the markets. If I want to borrow money, I venture out and attempt to find the best terms for myself. If I cant...dont borrow. If I do but make a bad deal...I should suffer. Not get a mulligan. We dont really need the government picking pockets. Or saying "you're too good at this, so because of that you need to walk around with a 50 lbs weight on your chest to even the playing field." This is all loser mentality. The lower class in this country are spoiled rotten. Send them to India or Africa for a scared straight type program and maybe they'll get their acts together. Your iPhone, Nike's, and 3 warm meals a day is often more than other country's middle classes have.

If the government has no business in markets then there should be no bailouts ever, regardless of the scenario.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 11:55:04 AM
I agree, but theres also instances where the case could be made it is warranted. If the government sees value in saving Citi because 40,000 jobs would be saved with a one time infusion...maybe theres a case. Like with everything, with corporations and people alike, some are just indisputably more valuable than others. Not everyone needs a trophy. But thats not to say some arent worthy of trophies.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on October 14, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Whoever claims the Democrats are socialists doesn’t have a clue about Socialism and is just throwing terminology words around.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 14, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Yes Viking, that is true, but choosing socialism over a conservative you dont like is a little bit of a stretch. And as Ive said before, I try not to lump you into the same category as some of the other fruitcakes....but the position can be perplexing when observing it the way you do. How does any "conservative" support a solution that includes the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Koomala Harris, etc? You dont like Trump; fine. Perfectly reasonable. Dislike him so much you choose to support the antithesis of what you claim to be?(conservative)..tough sell.

Greg, it all comes down to ones assessment of Trump. You think Trump is a conservative? Seriously?

I think Trump is an arsonist. I do not say this lightly and this is not hyperbole. I think he is destroying America and US democracy. This is based on closely watching what he has said and done the past 3.5 years.

On a personal level, Biden appears to be the exact opposite of Trump. Further, Democrats will be severely constrained with what they can do given the Senate will be roughly equal and there are right wing Democrats. Further, there is another election in 2 years and if the Democrats do stupid things they will lose the senate and potentially the house.

History provides many sad examples of other countries who had leaders like Trump. They all ended in catastrophe. Their leaders were arsonists who in the end burnt their countries to the ground. The lesson is democracy is fragile and easily lost.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
Thats kind of a bizarre statement to make considering many of the previously mentioned names have openly called themselves either partial, or full-blown socialists. Although I agree, they dont know what theyre talking about, and buzzwords rule the day.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 12:49:35 PM
Yes Viking, that is true, but choosing socialism over a conservative you dont like is a little bit of a stretch. And as Ive said before, I try not to lump you into the same category as some of the other fruitcakes....but the position can be perplexing when observing it the way you do. How does any "conservative" support a solution that includes the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Koomala Harris, etc? You dont like Trump; fine. Perfectly reasonable. Dislike him so much you choose to support the antithesis of what you claim to be?(conservative)..tough sell.

Greg, it all comes down to ones assessment of Trump. I think Trump is an arsonist. I do not say this lightly and this is not hyperbole. I think he is destroying America and US democracy. This is based on closely watching what he has said and done the past 3.5 years.

On a personal level, Biden appears to be the exact opposite of Trump. Further, Democrats will be severely constrained with what they can do given the Senate will be roughly equal and there are right wing Democrats. Further, there is another election in 2 years and if the Democrats do stupid things they will lose the senate and potentially the house.

History provides many sad examples of other countries who had leaders like Trump. They all ended in catastrophe. Their leaders were arsonists who in the end burnt their countries to the ground. The lesson is democracy is fragile and easily lost.

Thats probably a fair statement. I think you're underestimating Biden...he was not always old, slow, and senile. How does a 40+ year public servant live where he does?

But otherwise, yes. If folks learned their lessons and internalized why Trump was elected, it could be a good thing. Whats troubling is that there still seem to be way too many on the left doubling down on their arrogance and freebies for votes strategy along with the identity politics game. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: stahleyp on October 14, 2020, 01:14:21 PM
I agree, but theres also instances where the case could be made it is warranted. If the government sees value in saving Citi because 40,000 jobs would be saved with a one time infusion...maybe theres a case. Like with everything, with corporations and people alike, some are just indisputably more valuable than others. Not everyone needs a trophy. But thats not to say some arent worthy of trophies.

I don't agree with that. That's simply unfair. If a company stumbles, employees and shareholders should pay the price. Eventually, prudent leadership (and managing of one's personal funds) will be prized over things like quarterly earnings gaming and personal credit card debt.

How about all of the manufacturing jobs that left the US? Shouldn't those guys also get mutli-billion "one time" bailouts too? That would save many jobs (and possible more since manufacturing requires more people).

Like I said, the best answer to this is no bailouts at anytime. That's fair.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 14, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Again, thats fair. But widespread outsourcing could have very easily been avoided through implementation of tax credits and incentives for hiring American. However, AOC wasn't the first idiot lefty who didnt understand what a tax credit was or why they're useful.

NYC saved $3B by losing Amazon!!!! LOL
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 14, 2020, 06:30:57 PM
Hey Greg, you can be quite Liberal with the term fruitcakes. Plentiful around here.

Then we have Dalal.a-holing calling everyone who doesn't subscribe to his socialist view as KKK as he just did.

Where is moderator here? Is it 10:1 conservative to socialist being banned from this website? 100:1?

Real answer is infinite.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 14, 2020, 06:38:25 PM
Hey Greg, you can be quite Liberal with the term fruitcakes. Plentiful around here.

Then we have Dalal.a-holing calling everyone who doesn't subscribe to his socialist view as KKK as he just did.

Where is moderator here? Is it 10:1 conservative to socialist being banned from this website? 100:1?

Real answer is infinite.

Cardboard

R u whining again? Calling for help from the mods? OMG the whole world is against me and if they don't think like me, they R socialist!

Unlike you, I have not made any threats against you nor your family. Once again resorting to petty name calling though I see.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 14, 2020, 06:46:44 PM
Threats against your family??? You are delusional or something?

No I said I wished you to catch a terrible form of Covid. That is quite different. Got banned for it.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 14, 2020, 06:47:45 PM
Threats against your family??? You are delusional or something?

No I said I wished you to catch a terrible form of Covid. That is quite different. Got banned for it.

And yet they let you back—must not be so biased against conservatives after all.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 14, 2020, 06:50:37 PM
...speaking of a-holes who happen to be sensitive snowflakes as well. You make this forum a great place.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 14, 2020, 07:08:29 PM
Whoever claims the Democrats are socialists doesn’t have a clue about Socialism and is just throwing terminology words around.
I agree with that. No freaking clue. But that's kinda been the go to move for a long time. When nothing else works just scream SOCIALISM!!!

Remember that Obama was a communist?

Oh and the Democrats are such big socialists that they didn't vote for Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 15, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
Bannon sounds off on Joe Biden as NY Post shines light on Hunter Biden's emails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKdFDgufso


NY Post to 'release bombshell expose' linking Hunter Biden to Chinese business deals

https://youtu.be/nIjaLmOTkEE?t=120
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 15, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
Bannon sounds off on Joe Biden as NY Post shines light on Hunter Biden's emails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKdFDgufso


NY Post to 'release bombshell expose' linking Hunter Biden to Chinese business deals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIjaLmOTkEE

Sorry if i missed something... is Hunter Biden running for office? Well we can expect lots of these sorts of ‘bombshells’ from each side as we get closer to election day.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 15, 2020, 10:11:53 AM
^Please watch those videos, ask after that if you have any open questions.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 15, 2020, 11:00:46 AM
^Please watch those videos, ask after that if you have any open questions.

The fact that you believe Steve Bannon, Fox News, and no doubt the consummate liar in chief, Donald Trump really tells me all I need to know.
Tell me though, how are ya coming along with that report on all that spying, treason, unmasking, etc? You know, that investigation that was going to put all the Dems in jail. Yes that one. Have you read it yet. Oh wait...

Some people will believe anything.

You wouldn't be part of that group that keeps yelling about the Fake News all the time would you?
.
Guess it is only fake news if it isn't positive about Trump. Jeez some people are gullible

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 15, 2020, 11:21:18 AM
^Please watch those videos, ask after that if you have any open questions.

The fact that you believe Steve Bannon, Fox News, and no doubt the consummate liar in chief, Donald Trump really tells me all I need to know.
Tell me though, how are ya coming along with that report on all that spying, treason, unmasking, etc? You know, that investigation that was going to put all the Dems in jail. Yes that one. Have you read it yet. Oh wait...

Some people will believe anything.

You wouldn't be part of that group that keeps yelling about the Fake News all the time would you?
.
Guess it is only fake news if it isn't positive about Trump. Jeez some people are gullible


Watch that 2nd video.

Bannon sounds off on Joe Biden as NY Post shines light on Hunter Biden's emails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKdFDgufso


NY Post to 'release bombshell expose' linking Hunter Biden to Chinese business deals

https://youtu.be/nIjaLmOTkEE?t=120
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 15, 2020, 11:52:34 AM
"Sorry if i missed something... is Hunter Biden running for office? Well we can expect lots of these sorts of ‘bombshells’ from each side as we get closer to election day."

Entire Trump family has been investigated to death isn't time to learn what the other side has been up to?

Especially since that Hunter guy seems to be in bed with most of our enemies receiving millions and daddy is about to be President.

Are you guys that naive? Believing that Dems are saints and not-corrupt? Carry on, keep watching MSM!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 15, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
I say investigate the hell out of him. Root out corruption wherever it exists.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 15, 2020, 12:01:25 PM

Since you asked, I watched both videos.
Easy to make accusations, but where is the proof?  Most of that stuff was old and discredited news anyway.

If I had a nickle for every person who sits on a company’s board that is not qualified I would be a rich man. I happen to know a well known football coach who has been offered seats on boards simply because they want to be connected with his name. This is no different.

With the Bannon video again I heard absolutely zero details, zero proof of anything. Just some wild accusations from a very disreputable guy who even Donald Trump ditched. What was I supposed to hear?

It is simply amazing that Steve Bannon, a long time Trump supporter, has the nerve to accuse someone else of lying.

Bannon worked and supported one of the biggest liars in history and you expect others to take him at his word?

He calls Biden a compromised individual? What about Trump and the Trump family who even admit their financing comes from Russia.

If you have no evidence just throw mud and hope something sticks.

If there is concrete evidence of something, then fine. You can have a race to the bottom comparing the two candidates.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 15, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
Its kind of amazing how there was pretty unanimous disgust with establishment politicians for a long time. Now, people are begging for them and basically fine with corruption and enrichment at the tax payers expense as long as its "not as bad" as they "perceive" Trump to be. Mind you Trump has never been charged with anything, just like the heroes of the left. But only some get the benefit of the doubt. See Russia Hoax saga vs the Origins of Russia Hoax saga. See guilty even though no charges. Oh now innocent, see! no charges! Mind you both sides claimed they had so many smoking guns they didnt know what to do with them all. Then a real one comes out via The Post, and FB and TWTR block it, and CNN, NYT, WaPo all do their thing as well.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: stahleyp on October 15, 2020, 12:17:45 PM
Looks like Twitter and Facebook are banning people who are reposting the Biden email leak. They're saying that they won't allow redistribution of "hacked" material." Pretty sure if Trump's tax returns were leaked, they would be cool with people sharing.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 15, 2020, 02:03:20 PM
Nice to see Hunter earns his keep from China by arranging "introductions" - $10M /yr - not a bad gig if you can get it.

Daddy takes care of the Ukrainian introductions, we will see what he did in China.

Not great timing for Biden on these emails - but the corruption is breathtaking.

No way Biden wins this election - people can take a lot of things - but Joe Biden is a bold face corrupt piece of shit that has been
lying through his teeth about China/Ukraine.  No way Biden takes the hammer to China EVER - when they have the goods on Daddy.

Americans watch Obama/Biden outsource their jobs, lose their jobs/plants to China - while Hunter gets paid millions for Joe's influence.

People can take a lot of things - but not this hypocrisy where I lose my livelyhood - but you yourself get richer than shit for political influence.

Joe Biden is going to lose this election in a landslide.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hunter-biden-offered-10-million-annually-by-chinese-energy-firm-for-introductions-alone-email-shows/

Hunter Biden Offered $10 Million Annually by Chinese Energy Firm for ‘Introductions Alone,’ Email Shows
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: stahleyp on October 15, 2020, 02:10:34 PM
amazing how much coverage CNN has on this.  ::)
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on October 15, 2020, 02:11:22 PM
Nice to see Hunter earns his keep from China by arranging "introductions" - $10M /yr - not a bad gig if you can get it.

Daddy takes care of the Ukrainian introductions, we will see what he did in China.

Not great timing for Biden on these emails - but the corruption is breathtaking.

No way Biden wins this election - people can take a lot of things - but Joe Biden is a bold face corrupt piece of shit that has been
lying through his teeth about China/Ukraine.  No way Biden takes the hammer to China EVER - when they have the goods on Daddy.

Americans watch Obama/Biden outsource their jobs, lose their jobs/plants to China - while Hunter gets paid millions for Joe's influence.

People can take a lot of things - but not this hypocrisy where I lose my livelyhood - but you yourself get richer than shit for political influence.

Joe Biden is going to lose this election in a landslide.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hunter-biden-offered-10-million-annually-by-chinese-energy-firm-for-introductions-alone-email-shows/

Hunter Biden Offered $10 Million Annually by Chinese Energy Firm for ‘Introductions Alone,’ Email Shows


But, but, but, ORANGEMAN!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 15, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
Dont mind the losers and their silence. They're perfectly fine with corruption and the establishment status quo, as long as there's modest effort to be deceptive about it. False equivalency, remember? lol

I mentioned last year you'd see first hand who is a hypocrite when it came time to endorse a Democrat. And sure enough the moral crusaders now love Joe and Koomala and totally look the other way whenever convenient.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 15, 2020, 05:42:38 PM
Let me get this straight now:

A right wing news source makes unproven accusations...
From information provided by that most unreliable source - “Henchman Rudy”...
That came from an expensive, mysterious laptop...
That Hunter Biden just happened to abandon at some repair shop ...
That just happened to come to light 3 weeks before the election... 
That contained supposedly incriminating evidence against a man...
Who held no political office...
Who’s father held no political office...
Nor were either man running for any political office at the time...
Yet some Chinese guy was going to pay millions for some unknown reason.

Okay, I think I got it.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 15, 2020, 06:07:24 PM
No actually you totally missed it, but what else is new....

Looks like the FBI just "skipped" investigating the Hunter Biden emails since his daddy is running for President.
They were given to the FBI and Giuliani at the same time
Giuliani turns up the heat by giving them to the NY Post
Everybody knows Hunter is a drug addict, alcoholic, etc - shows he's easy to compromise by a foreign government

It's going to be real, real easy to get to the bottom of this issue: You either put Giuliani in jail for orchestrating this or Biden comes clean.
It's real simple - All the FBI Director, Christopher Wray has to do is say the emails are fraudulent - bingo - Giuliani's goose is cooked.
The FBI Director needs to MAKE a public statement given this is an election issue now.

The FBI has the forensic capabilities etc to put this to bed - and MUST do so quickly.

IF the emails are NOT fraudulent - then the American Voter needs to know the truth - which looks like:
- Hunter traveled extensively one Air Force 2 with daddy
- Hunter used daddy to enrich himself and his family
- Hunter pocketed millions of dollars from the most corrupt company in Ukraine, while daddy was the US point man for Ukraine/US policy
- Hunter made millions from a now defunct energy company in China, while hanging with daddy and his Communist Party contacts

The National Security implications for the US are staggering..

The FBI needs to put this to rest. Someone is in BIG trouble - either Giuliani OR Biden.

I can't wait to see...

Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 15, 2020, 06:11:13 PM
More signs Republicans are abandoning Trump. Funny what senior Republicans say about Trump when the muzzle has been removed. Trump is a national disgrace. All you have to do is listen to what Republicans in Washington say about him.

PS: for those who don’t understand the significance of this, Trump is a Republican too :-)

Slamming Trump, G.O.P. Senator Warns of a ‘Republican Blood Bath’
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/ben-sasse-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, castigated President Trump in a telephone town hall with constituents on Wednesday, accusing the president of bungling the response to the coronavirus pandemic, cozying up to dictators and white supremacists, and offending voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath” in the Senate.

In a dire, nine-minute indictment of Mr. Trump’s foreign policy and what Mr. Sasse called his “deficient” values, the senator said the president had mistreated women and alienated important allies around the globe, been a profligate spender, ignored human rights and treated the pandemic like a “P.R. crisis.” He predicted that a loss by Mr. Trump on Election Day, less than three weeks away, “looks likely,” and said that Republicans would face steep repercussions for having backed him so staunchly over four tumultuous years.

“The debate is not going to be, ‘Ben Sasse, why were you so mean to Donald Trump?’” Mr. Sasse said, according to audio obtained by The Washington Examiner and authenticated by The New York Times. “It’s going to be, ‘What the heck were any of us thinking, that selling a TV-obsessed, narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?’”

“We are staring down the barrel of a blue tsunami,” he added.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 15, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
LOL.

Less than a month ago you guys swallowed the Trump tax story from a left leaning hack job. Two weeks prior you fell hook, line, and sinker for the "suckers" story from some partisan twat. And doubled down after it was "verified" by the Fox chick who, after being pressed, assured people that "everything but the meat of the story" was correct.....interesting how all this works. And again, my examples are only limited to the last 6 weeks. I dont have time to list all the propaganda you guys have fallen for over the past 4 years. Maybe Rachel Maddow can help compile a greatest hits list regarding the Russia Conspiracy...

But yea, show your incompetence by worrying about national security cuz a guy with several billion in properties carries $400M in debt LOL
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: bearprowler6 on October 15, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
No actually you totally missed it, but what else is new....

Looks like the FBI just "skipped" investigating the Hunter Biden emails since his daddy is running for President.
They were given to the FBI and Giuliani at the same time
Giuliani turns up the heat by giving them to the NY Post
Everybody knows Hunter is a drug addict, alcoholic, etc - shows he's easy to compromise by a foreign government

It's going to be real, real easy to get to the bottom of this issue: You either put Giuliani in jail for orchestrating this or Biden comes clean.
It's real simple - All the FBI Director, Christopher Wray has to do is say the emails are fraudulent - bingo - Giuliani's goose is cooked.
The FBI Director needs to MAKE a public statement given this is an election issue now.

The FBI has the forensic capabilities etc to put this to bed - and MUST do so quickly.

IF the emails are NOT fraudulent - then the American Voter needs to know the truth - which looks like:
- Hunter traveled extensively one Air Force 2 with daddy
- Hunter used daddy to enrich himself and his family
- Hunter pocketed millions of dollars from the most corrupt company in Ukraine, while daddy was the US point man for Ukraine/US policy
- Hunter made millions from a now defunct energy company in China, while hanging with daddy and his Communist Party contacts

The National Security implications for the US are staggering..

The FBI needs to put this to rest. Someone is in BIG trouble - either Giuliani OR Biden.

I can't wait to see...

Well....it seems Rudy's daughter has cast her vote on who to believe:

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/10/rudy-giulianis-daughter-on-voting-for-biden

Cubsman....its not to late to jump ship to the winning side....no disgrace in admitting you were wrong....LOL
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Viking on October 15, 2020, 06:21:50 PM
LOL.

Less than a month ago you guys swallowed the Trump tax story from a left leaning hack job. Two weeks prior you fell hook, line, and sinker for the "suckers" story from some partisan twat. And doubled down after it was "verified" by the Fox chick who, after being pressed, assured people that "everything but the meat of the story" was correct.....interesting how all this works. And again, my examples are only limited to the last 6 weeks. I dont have time to list all the propaganda you guys have fallen for over the past 4 years. Maybe Rachel Maddow can help compile a greatest hits list regarding the Russia Conspiracy...

But yea, show your incompetence by worrying about national security cuz a guy with several billion in properties carries $400M in debt LOL

Yes, the ‘game’ is being played by both sides. Why is everyone getting their panties tied up in a knot?

As we get closer to the election expect more ‘shocking revelations’ from both Democrats and Republicans.

Get your popcorn out and enjoy the spectacle of each side working themselves into a lather.

We will see if anything sticks. (Not likely for either candidate.)

Looks like pretty much everyone has already made up their mind on which candidate they want to support.

Voting is open and happening in record numbers :-)
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 15, 2020, 06:23:57 PM
More signs Republicans are abandoning Trump. Funny what senior Republicans say about Trump when the muzzle has been removed. Trump is a national disgrace.

Slamming Trump, G.O.P. Senator Warns of a ‘Republican Blood Bath’
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/ben-sasse-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, castigated President Trump in a telephone town hall with constituents on Wednesday, accusing the president of bungling the response to the coronavirus pandemic, cozying up to dictators and white supremacists, and offending voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath” in the Senate.

In a dire, nine-minute indictment of Mr. Trump’s foreign policy and what Mr. Sasse called his “deficient” values, the senator said the president had mistreated women and alienated important allies around the globe, been a profligate spender, ignored human rights and treated the pandemic like a “P.R. crisis.” He predicted that a loss by Mr. Trump on Election Day, less than three weeks away, “looks likely,” and said that Republicans would face steep repercussions for having backed him so staunchly over four tumultuous years.

“The debate is not going to be, ‘Ben Sasse, why were you so mean to Donald Trump?’” Mr. Sasse said, according to audio obtained by The Washington Examiner and authenticated by The New York Times. “It’s going to be, ‘What the heck were any of us thinking, that selling a TV-obsessed, narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?’”

“We are staring down the barrel of a blue tsunami,” he added.

"Buh buh buh--what about the E-MAILS ??!??!?!" LOL...
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 15, 2020, 06:52:44 PM
Dont forget the C-SPAN guy. "I was hacked!"..fuckin loser. Have the nuts to stand behind your actions you scum ball journalist.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Cardboard on October 15, 2020, 06:59:05 PM
When some skeleton in a closet is uncovered of a leftist there is always foreign influence and every reason to downplay it, including FBI to burry it. Simply amazing that so many fall for such crap:

Feds examining whether alleged Hunter Biden emails are linked to a foreign intel operation
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/feds-examining-whether-alleged-hunter-biden-emails-are-linked-to-a-foreign-intel-operation.html

Trump had hotels, golf courses, casinos and his wealth was always doubted. Clinton went from $0 to $100 million (maybe that it inspired Drake?) and what has the Biden family done in their lives to become so rich?

Must be some right-wing conspiracy but, certainly not abuse of power...

Cardboard
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 15, 2020, 07:09:33 PM
Biden learned well from the Clinton Crime Syndicate---

"Me or my spouse might run for President one of these days", wink, wink,... "We are setting up a foundation," wink, wink, "My drug addict son is running a hedge fund", wink, wink, 

Our Office is open for business!!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 15, 2020, 08:03:49 PM
When is Hillary going to be in jail already?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rb on October 16, 2020, 06:26:20 AM
No actually you totally missed it, but what else is new....

Looks like the FBI just "skipped" investigating the Hunter Biden emails since his daddy is running for President.
They were given to the FBI and Giuliani at the same time
Giuliani turns up the heat by giving them to the NY Post
Everybody knows Hunter is a drug addict, alcoholic, etc - shows he's easy to compromise by a foreign government

It's going to be real, real easy to get to the bottom of this issue: You either put Giuliani in jail for orchestrating this or Biden comes clean.
It's real simple - All the FBI Director, Christopher Wray has to do is say the emails are fraudulent - bingo - Giuliani's goose is cooked.
The FBI Director needs to MAKE a public statement given this is an election issue now.

The FBI has the forensic capabilities etc to put this to bed - and MUST do so quickly.

[...]

The FBI needs to put this to rest. Someone is in BIG trouble - either Giuliani OR Biden.

I can't wait to see...
Yes I'm sure that Wray wants to be the second FBI director in a row to be involved in a presidential election.  ::)

Also, why do you think that Giuliani should go to jail? Last time I checked lying to the NY Post is not a crime. If it was we'd need to build more jails.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 16, 2020, 06:43:59 AM
Interesting - you seriously don't think that the FBI should clear this issue up right now?
Don't you consider it "election interference" if Mr. Giuliani provided fraudulent emails to the NY Post and claimed they came from Hunter Biden??

All they have to do is say the proported emails are fraudulent - and the story is over, period.
How is that not interfering with the election on an issue so important to American people?

If they declare the emails fraudulent - it's an enormous win for Mr. Biden.

Just trying to help you here. Have it your way!


Furthermore, to the delight of the Democrats , by revealing the truth on the fraud, Mr. Giuliani would be totally disgraced. A double win for you.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: rkbabang on October 16, 2020, 01:08:58 PM
More signs Republicans are abandoning Trump. Funny what senior Republicans say about Trump when the muzzle has been removed. Trump is a national disgrace. All you have to do is listen to what Republicans in Washington say about him.

PS: for those who don’t understand the significance of this, Trump is a Republican too :-)

Slamming Trump, G.O.P. Senator Warns of a ‘Republican Blood Bath’
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/ben-sasse-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, castigated President Trump in a telephone town hall with constituents on Wednesday, accusing the president of bungling the response to the coronavirus pandemic, cozying up to dictators and white supremacists, and offending voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath” in the Senate.

In a dire, nine-minute indictment of Mr. Trump’s foreign policy and what Mr. Sasse called his “deficient” values, the senator said the president had mistreated women and alienated important allies around the globe, been a profligate spender, ignored human rights and treated the pandemic like a “P.R. crisis.” He predicted that a loss by Mr. Trump on Election Day, less than three weeks away, “looks likely,” and said that Republicans would face steep repercussions for having backed him so staunchly over four tumultuous years.

“The debate is not going to be, ‘Ben Sasse, why were you so mean to Donald Trump?’” Mr. Sasse said, according to audio obtained by The Washington Examiner and authenticated by The New York Times. “It’s going to be, ‘What the heck were any of us thinking, that selling a TV-obsessed, narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?’”

“We are staring down the barrel of a blue tsunami,” he added.

One of the things that I like about Turmp is that the hacks in the Republican Party establishment hate him.  Other people hated by their own party includes people like Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard.    Having the corrupt establishment of your party hate you is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 16, 2020, 01:17:28 PM
One of the things that I like about Turmp is that the hacks in the Republican Party establishment hate him.  Other people hated by their own party includes people like Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard.    Having the corrupt establishment of your party hate you is not a bad thing.

Absolutely!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 16, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
With all these fine Republicans coming out against Trump at this time prompts the question,"Really, it took you four years to come to this conclusion?"
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 16, 2020, 01:28:54 PM
Newsflash...the majority of these "republicans against Trump" had the same opinions in 2016...despite the best efforts of MSM, this isn't really news that Kasich, Romney, Bush clan, Fiorina, etc hate Donald Trump... Good effort though.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 16, 2020, 02:42:21 PM
No not talking about those guys. There are a lot of Republicans who just shut their mouths for the past four years and refused to criticize Trump that are only now coming out that they think Trump may not win the election. Fair weather friends. Actually I  thought you might agree with that.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 16, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
No not talking about those guys. There are a lot of Republicans who just shut their mouths for the past four years and refused to criticize Trump that are only now coming out that they think Trump may not win the election. Fair weather friends. Actually I  thought you might agree with that.

So you mean, theyre behaving like politicians? Because that sounds pretty par for the course, unless over the past 4 years we forgot how these scumlings behave. Which at times, is probably the case. I said in another thread that its amazing how in half a decade people went from disgusted with the establishment, to begging for it and heralding these shitbags as heroes. But nonetheless, that is the case for some. St Joe Biden and Koomala the Great! Mansion dwellers and owners of many homes despite never holding real jobs. Koomala snagged a rich white Jewish lawyer....but whats Joe's excuse? George Bush is also now the voice of reason we need! The same John McCain they called a racist geezer in 08 became a liberal hero, and guys they disparaged in '12 and '16 like Romney and Kasich also heroes. So the libs are really just doing the same thing as the republican politicians, supporting what fits their case and aligns with their agenda. Thats the establishment and its enablers for you.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 16, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
Greg I agree with you on that for the most part.

I have always said that too who go into politics are corrupt to begin with, of the honest or naive ones, most get corrupted after they get in.

I can remember when I was a kid and there was a change in government. I asked my father, who had some minor political involvement, what the impact of the change would be. I was surprised when he said, “Not much, just changing one bunch of crooks for another.” 

But as far as corruption is concerned, Trump is not the answer and is about as far away from a solution as one could get.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 16, 2020, 07:41:44 PM
Wow, what a bombshell leak! Whoever votes for the hu-man in this race is a "fool":

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkfF3aJWAAICgki?format=jpg&name=small)

Much better to vote for a sociopath instead. A real leader would castigate a family member throughout their lives for problems with addiction and think of them as a "sucker" and a "loser". Sorry, Fred Trump Jr.

It's telling that Rudy thought this would hurt Biden. I guess it explains his relationship with his daughter...
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: LC on October 16, 2020, 07:52:13 PM
It is no use, Dalal.

Funny how A few years ago, Trump supporters were calling any criticism of the President as “TDS”.

Ironically now that there is a demonstrably better candidate, they are performing world class mental gymnastics to justify their continued support of Trump. It is obviously emotional, not rational - they are the true “TDS” sufferers!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 16, 2020, 08:02:12 PM
Totally. A day ago it was an unsubstantiated, garbage story, from a biased source. Today its a heartwarming tale of compassion...LOL. Amazing how the narrative changes when we find something useful!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 16, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
It is no use, Dalal.

Funny how A few years ago, Trump supporters were calling any criticism of the President as “TDS”.

Ironically now that there is a demonstrably better candidate, they are performing world class mental gymnastics to justify their continued support of Trump. It is obviously emotional, not rational - they are the true “TDS” sufferers!

Who needs the olympics when we have our very own gold medalists in mental gymnastics right here !
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 17, 2020, 07:24:02 AM
You guys can take shots at Trump all you want.

What I don't understand about you guys - Trump's personal attorney, Rudy, tries to bury Joe Biden with fraudulent emails 3 weeks before
the election - and you guys don't want Giuliani/Trump to be investigated by the FBI.  The FBI has had these emails for months - and
have clear evidence of "election interference" - and nobody is speaking up?  Published in one of the country's biggest newspaper with
the expressed purpose of shifting public opinion and influence the voter against Biden.

Clearly this is a hugely damaging story to Biden - and no one cares to nail Trump and his personal attorney right before an election.

This should be grounds for impeachment - but Biden side is totally silent, not screaming for the FBI to clear their name about a blatant fraud?

I love the hypocrisy of the Democrats!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 17, 2020, 01:24:44 PM

Since you asked, I watched both videos.
Easy to make accusations, but where is the proof?  Most of that stuff was old and discredited news anyway.
Here is the deal:

None of that stuff has been discredited, but quite the opposite.

https://youtu.be/I-8BtQg6F2A?t=542
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Spekulatius on October 17, 2020, 04:02:16 PM

Since you asked, I watched both videos.
Easy to make accusations, but where is the proof?  Most of that stuff was old and discredited news anyway.
Here is the deal:

None of that stuff has been discredited, but quite the opposite.

https://youtu.be/I-8BtQg6F2A?t=542

Says Bannon and Guilani. LOL. Guilani has enough problems to stay out of jail himself as is.

I would be worried if Hunter Biden gets a job in a civically function in the White House. This shall never happen, imo.

In the mean time we have Jared Kushner heading the pandemic talks force supposedly and Ivanka and Eric Trump Both mutitasking hard to define White house roles and running their dads business  at the same time. Jared, Eric and Ivanka never had a real job either. So why exactly should we be worried?
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 18, 2020, 08:02:34 AM

Since you asked, I watched both videos.
Easy to make accusations, but where is the proof?  Most of that stuff was old and discredited news anyway.
Here is the deal:

None of that stuff has been discredited, but quite the opposite.

https://youtu.be/I-8BtQg6F2A?t=542

Says Bannon and Guilani. LOL. Guilani has enough problems to stay out of jail himself as is.

I would be worried if Hunter Biden gets a job in a civically function in the White House. This shall never happen, imo.

In the mean time we have Jared Kushner heading the pandemic talks force supposedly and Ivanka and Eric Trump Both mutitasking hard to define White house roles and running their dads business  at the same time. Jared, Eric and Ivanka never had a real job either. So why exactly should we be worried?

You're so focused on personalities and sugarcoating this thing, that you didn't realize that its all based on their own emails, and Giuliani (& FBI) holds the original source, which is Hunter "Crackhead" Biden's hard-drive. More to come, so stay tuned up!


(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iGrCVOtvGeY/Wuq809T4s4I/AAAAAAAAaQ8/1IVqbGAS6jcoYOhqYzlpMpCgIlCB6BNywCLcBGAs/s1600/Rudy%2BGiuliani%252BDonald%2BTrump%252BRobert%2BMueller%252BStormy%2BDaniels%252BWidely%2BOpened%2BEyes%252BInsincerity%252BLying%252BLie%252BDeception%252BBody%2BLanguage%252BExpert%252BEQ%252BIntelligence%252BNonverbal%252BSpeaker%252BKeynote%252BConsultant%252BLos%2BAngeles%252BLA%252BLas%2BVegas%252BCalifornia%252BNYC%252BOrlando-2%253A29%2B-%2B13%253A06.png)
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 18, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
Steve Bannon: The Bidens Are About to Be Hit With Multiple Stories — “We Have Set in Motion the Various Apparatuses to Release Everything”
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 18, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
Pretty damn simple to clear up this Hunter Biden Hoax - just demand the FBI vouch for the veracity of the emails - or declare them fraudulent.
The FBI has had copies for 9 months.

Wonder why the Democrats are so silent about this active smear campaign by Trump/Giuliani against Biden?

What could they possibly afraid of???
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 18, 2020, 12:35:08 PM
"Wonder why the Democrats are so silent about this active smear campaign by Trump/Giuliani against Biden?"

Probably because you can only float so many outrageous conspiracy theories before people just laugh at them rather than take them seriously. That is where we are now.

Someone “just happened to find Biden’s laptop” that he “forgot to pick up” at the computer shop. Yeah really. Haha!  By the way, when is Clinton going to jail? How about Obama? Won’t you guys ever see what is going on? Trump has a name for you guys you know.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 18, 2020, 12:39:13 PM
^ Hardly - It would be so simple to destroy Trump/Giuliani right now for election interference - it's a NO BRAINER for a legitimate Impeachment.

The FBI holds the keys to destroying Trump for good - but I understand why you don't want to play that card.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 18, 2020, 01:00:13 PM
I don’t have a crystal ball Cubs, but don’t be surprised if Trump loses this election, he and Mr. Giuliani find themselves spending the years to come defending themselves against some very serious criminal charges.

On might suspect that the only way they will not be wearing striped suits and residing in the crowbar hotel is if the ‘powers that be’ find it too damaging to the country’s reputation to have a past president serving time.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Gregmal on October 18, 2020, 02:23:36 PM
Hmmm, and for a while I thought some were against using law enforcement agencies and government resources to go after your political enemies..now all of a sudden Trump better watch out if he loses....another entirely hypocritical stance.

There has long been this absurd narrative that Trump became president to enrich himself....I guess losing significant brand value is offset by selling out a floor or two at his hotels every time he travels or something like that. Whats never mentioned is that none of the "Trumps in legal trouble" stuff would have ever popped up had he not run....so is it political? Nah...of course not!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 18, 2020, 03:11:37 PM
Geez - looks like Hunter Biden wants his computer hard drive back....no wonder the Bidens are not denying the emails are real...

But I just love how you guys love to stick up for the crackhead Hunter Biden and his corrupt father!



Hunter Biden’s attorney contacted the computer repairman who found the incriminating material, and asked for the computer hard drive back,

https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/16/giuliani-hunter-bidens-attorney-contacted-computer-repairman-after-ny-post-story-broke-wanted-hard-drive-back/

When asked how he could prove that the damning texts and emails came from Hunter Biden’s computer, Giuliani revealed that Biden’s lawyer contacted John Paul Mac Isaac, the Delaware computer repair shop owner who had discovered the material, as soon as the story broke.

“I’ll give you something that really verifies it,” Giuliani said. “The very morning this came out, Hunter Biden’s lawyer called the merchant, and asked him if he could have the hard drive back,” he said. “We have email evidence of that. So if the lawyer is asking for the hard drive back—it must be the hard drive.”


More on selling the Office of Vice President:

When asked what the next shoe to drop would be, the lawyer said it would have to do with a transaction between Hunter Biden and a “Chinese communist intelligence operative.”


“And it’s quite obvious that he setting him up. He’s setting Hunter Biden up and he’s setting Joe up for extortion,” Giuliani explained. “I think there will be more emails and text messages that make that clear.”

He went on to say that there would be more communications that would describe how Joe Biden was being compensated.

“In fact, he was getting a large portion of this money,” Giuliani said, adding that the information would explain how Joe Biden, who has never made that much money as a politician, “has two or three luxurious homes.”

“Because he didn’t pay for anything, Hunter did,” he explained.

“This is a long term bribery scheme that started low level in Delaware with his brother James—selling his office,” Giuliani told Crowder.

“When they got to the big time, they shook down Iraq for … I think about 500 million, Ukraine for about 20 [million], China—I don’t know—30, 40 million?” he said.

Giuliani added that he almost forgot Russia. “The 3.5 million from the mayor’s wife,” who he noted is a good friend of Russian President Vladimir Putin. “That woman is a close ally of Putin,” Giuliani said, pointing out the irony of the president being accused of colluding with Russia, when “Biden actually got paid by Russia!”



Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 18, 2020, 05:17:35 PM

Since you asked, I watched both videos.
Easy to make accusations, but where is the proof?  Most of that stuff was old and discredited news anyway.
Here is the deal:

None of that stuff has been discredited, but quite the opposite.

https://youtu.be/I-8BtQg6F2A?t=542

Says Bannon and Guilani. LOL. Guilani has enough problems to stay out of jail himself as is.

I would be worried if Hunter Biden gets a job in a civically function in the White House. This shall never happen, imo.

In the mean time we have Jared Kushner heading the pandemic talks force supposedly and Ivanka and Eric Trump Both mutitasking hard to define White house roles and running their dads business  at the same time. Jared, Eric and Ivanka never had a real job either. So why exactly should we be worried?


"But but but nepotism"! Love it when Jared/Ivanka put Fauci and health officials in their place. So qualified in pandemic management.

Projection -- a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

For example, the most common and clear example of projection is with infidelity. The cheating partner may become suspicious of the non-cheating partner. They may began to scrutinize their actions, question them about their interactions with the opposite sex or otherwise try to control their behavior. It may seem odd from the outside, but that cheating partner is projecting their untrustworthiness onto the non-cheating partner.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 19, 2020, 06:06:45 AM
Getting closer.......

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-director-of-national-intelligence-confirms-hunter-biden-laptop-not-part-of-some-russian-disinformation-campaign

John Ratcliffe, Director of National Intelligence, told Fox Business on Monday morning that Hunter Biden’s laptop was not part of a Russian disinformation campaign despite the media’s attempts to claim otherwise.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 19, 2020, 06:22:59 AM
Yes that would be an independent voice, right. No axes to grind.

"President Donald Trump announced on July 28, 2019, that he intended to nominate Ratcliffe to replace Dan Coats as Director of National Intelligence. Ratcliffe withdrew after Republican senators raised concerns about him, former intelligence officials said he might politicize intelligence, and media revealed Ratcliffe's embellishments regarding his prosecutorial experience in terrorism and immigration cases.

On February 28, 2020, President Trump announced that he would again nominate Ratcliffe..."


One more follower loyal only to Trump - just for those who have drunk the KoolAid.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Value^2 on October 20, 2020, 11:10:48 AM
Trump sets the record straight

https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1318266036383326208?s=20 
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 20, 2020, 12:12:38 PM
Trump sets the record straight

https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1318266036383326208?s=20

Beautiful !  What do you expect from Fake News!
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cubsfan on October 20, 2020, 04:08:47 PM
More bad news for corrupt Joe Biden and his crackhead son - regarding the family business....

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/20/jim-jordan-says-his-staff-has-independently-authenticated-hunter-bidens-emails/

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) said Tuesday his staff on the Judiciary Committee have authenticated that the emails reportedly found on Hunter Biden’s laptop are real.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: cwericb on October 20, 2020, 06:42:40 PM
I must be missing something because I still haven't figured out what position Hunter Biden is running for.
Title: Re: Whoever votes for Biden is a fool.
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on October 20, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
I must be missing something because I still haven't figured out what position Hunter Biden is running for.

Apparently Hunter, who will play zero role in the next admin, deserves more scrutiny than Pandemic Directors/Middle East Diplomats/National Security Staff Members/Vaccine Development Experts Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump. And of course, his own thread on CoBF! LOL...

/Trumper Logic

Because hey, Donnie (and Rudy) knows his audience will eat his fodder up. "But but but E-mails! Benghazi! Birth Certificate!"

I guess Ronald Reagan's son is not one of them:

Quote
“Well, they’re certainly entitled to go campaign for their dad,” Reagan said of Trump’s children.  “My eldest brother and sister did that, and there’s nothing wrong with that. When you cross the line is — I hate to say it here and I don’t mean to be blunt — but we’ve got a bunch of grifters there in the White House. They’re treating this as a grift.

Reagan, the son of the 40th president and his wife, Nancy Reagan, explains his “grifter” statement by saying the Trump family is “mixing business with pleasure” or “business with statecraft.”

“They’re using the hotels and the golf clubs to profit off the presidency,” he said. “Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have no qualifications whatsoever to be in the position they’re in. Zero. Zip. And they’re using it to make money, basically.”

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/20/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushner-are-grifters-in-the-white-house-says-ronald-reagans-son/

"Don't look at my kids, look over here instead at Rudy holding this shiny object over here!"