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Title: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: wescobrk on May 22, 2020, 08:30:18 AM
According to Biden, you can't be black and vote for Trump.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/biden-you-aint-black-if-you-have-trouble-deciding-between-me-or-trump.html

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Friday defended his record of helping African-Americans and advancing civil rights and voting rights, before ending an interview by telling a black radio host that if he can’t decide whether to vote for Biden or Trump, then he “ain’t black.”
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 22, 2020, 09:33:55 AM
Yup, just another case of an elitist lefty thinking they know whats best for the minorities. After decades of doing nothing but further forcing lower income and minority groups to become more and more reliant on the government, now they say "look at all we've done for you"...

But yea, great to know Joe Biden gets to determine who is really black.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
Biden should just say it was a joke. All Trump supporters seem to support that logic even when lives are at risk rather than just a poor joke or tasteless comment.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 22, 2020, 10:25:50 AM
Yea, now imagine if Trump said this? All the Joe sympathizers would be screaming about how racist this comment is. Good stuff.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Jurgis on May 22, 2020, 11:00:43 AM
According to Biden, you can't be black and vote for Trump.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/biden-you-aint-black-if-you-have-trouble-deciding-between-me-or-trump.html

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Friday defended his record of helping African-Americans and advancing civil rights and voting rights, before ending an interview by telling a black radio host that if he can’t decide whether to vote for Biden or Trump, then he “ain’t black.”

Actually you cannot be human and vote for Trump.

There.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: rkbabang on May 22, 2020, 11:09:46 AM
One of the architects of the drug war that has torn our cities to shreds and put millions of blacks behind bars for doing what white kids do openly without fear has decided that he's going to tell everyone how to be black.   The democratic party needs to find a way to stop this guy from talking publicly until the election if they want to have a chance.
 
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Castanza on May 22, 2020, 11:19:12 AM
The Democratic party still thinks they "own" minorities....simply amazing....Any minority who doesn't pledge their allegiance to the Democratic party is immediately ostracized, labeled "And Uncle Tom" or some other ridiculous term.

 
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 11:26:50 AM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 11:40:30 AM
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/11/06/10-reasons-you-cant-be-a-christian-and-vote-for-donald-trump/
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 22, 2020, 11:52:47 AM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

This guy is a clown.

Pretty audacious to start dropping N bombs one sentence into some diatribe about how instantly branding someone a racist when you disagree with them is in fact a legitimate way to empower the perpetually oppressed...

If you have a legitimate argument or case to make to society, you can present it and let the content speak for itself. You dont need to lazily try to discredit those that disagree with you by instantly crying about bigotry or by making thinly veiled racist assumptions yourself.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 12:00:48 PM
On Monday, Reade had told CNN that she received a bachelor of arts degree from Antioch University in Seattle under the auspices of a "protected program," personally working with the former president of the school to ensure her identity was protected while she obtained credits for her degree. She also said that she was a visiting professor at the school, on and off for five years.
But a spokesperson for the university told CNN that Reade "attended but did not graduate from Antioch University" and that she was never a faculty member, but she did provide several hours of administrative work.
University officials confirmed with former university president Toni Murdoch that no special arrangements existed, university spokeswoman Karen Hamilton said.
An Antioch University official also told CNN that such a "protected program" does not exist and never has.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/tara-reade-lawyer/index.html
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 12:46:20 PM
On Monday, Reade had told CNN that she received a bachelor of arts degree from Antioch University in Seattle under the auspices of a "protected program," personally working with the former president of the school to ensure her identity was protected while she obtained credits for her degree. She also said that she was a visiting professor at the school, on and off for five years.
But a spokesperson for the university told CNN that Reade "attended but did not graduate from Antioch University" and that she was never a faculty member, but she did provide several hours of administrative work.
University officials confirmed with former university president Toni Murdoch that no special arrangements existed, university spokeswoman Karen Hamilton said.
An Antioch University official also told CNN that such a "protected program" does not exist and never has.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/tara-reade-lawyer/index.html

This looks really bad especially given the fact that she served as an expert witness. With any case there would have been voir dire including a voir dire cross examination. A voir dire cross examination typically would start with challenging her educational qualifications. Plus her apparent fabrication of relevant legislative experience is a mess too. It is sad that her fabrications were not discovered until now and that opposing legal challenges of all of her cases are probably getting fired up right now.

The standard to testify as an expert witness is higher and the desire to prevent a situation like this should point to higher consequences. Though perjury cases may be rare, we might actually see one in this case. Plus any career she might have had as an expert witness is almost certainly over given the accusations.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

This guy is a clown.

If you have a legitimate argument or case to make to society, you can present it and let the content speak for itself. You dont need to lazily try to discredit those that disagree with you by instantly crying about bigotry or by making thinly veiled racist assumptions yourself.

You could let the content speak for itself instead of tearing into (shooting) the author (the messenger) as a 'clown'.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 22, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

This guy is a clown.

If you have a legitimate argument or case to make to society, you can present it and let the content speak for itself. You dont need to lazily try to discredit those that disagree with you by instantly crying about bigotry or by making thinly veiled racist assumptions yourself.

You could let the content speak for itself instead of tearing into (shooting) the author (the messenger) as a 'clown'.

LOL, I did. He starts off his rant by dropping the N word... quality stuff.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 01:10:33 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

This guy is a clown.

If you have a legitimate argument or case to make to society, you can present it and let the content speak for itself. You dont need to lazily try to discredit those that disagree with you by instantly crying about bigotry or by making thinly veiled racist assumptions yourself.

You could let the content speak for itself instead of tearing into (shooting) the author (the messenger) as a 'clown'.

LOL, I did. He starts off his rant by dropping the N word... quality stuff.

A rant was it?  There you go again.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 22, 2020, 01:22:26 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

This guy is a clown.

If you have a legitimate argument or case to make to society, you can present it and let the content speak for itself. You dont need to lazily try to discredit those that disagree with you by instantly crying about bigotry or by making thinly veiled racist assumptions yourself.

You could let the content speak for itself instead of tearing into (shooting) the author (the messenger) as a 'clown'.

LOL, I did. He starts off his rant by dropping the N word... quality stuff.

A rant was it?  There you go again.

I dont know if you meant to or not, but you posted a blog post from a guy who writes an opinion piece on identity politics and basically frames it as "if you disagree with me you're a bigot".... ironic and amusing.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

This guy is a clown.

If you have a legitimate argument or case to make to society, you can present it and let the content speak for itself. You dont need to lazily try to discredit those that disagree with you by instantly crying about bigotry or by making thinly veiled racist assumptions yourself.

You could let the content speak for itself instead of tearing into (shooting) the author (the messenger) as a 'clown'.

LOL, I did. He starts off his rant by dropping the N word... quality stuff.

A rant was it?  There you go again.

I dont know if you meant to or not, but you posted a blog post from a guy who writes an opinion piece on identity politics and basically frames it as "if you disagree with me you're a bigot".... ironic and amusing.

Now there's a straw man.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
‘Manipulative, deceitful, user’: Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintances

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

A number of those in close contact with Reade over the past 12 years, a period in which she went by the names Tara Reade, Tara McCabe or Alexandra McCabe, laid out a familiar pattern: Reade ingratiated herself, explained she was down on her luck and needed help, and eventually took advantage of their goodwill to extract money, skip rent payments or walk out on other bills.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 01:40:35 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

Eric, you generally post links of very high quality. This one seems to be an exception.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 22, 2020, 01:49:02 PM

I dont know if you meant to or not, but you posted a blog post from a guy who writes an opinion piece on identity politics and basically frames it as "if you disagree with me you're a bigot".... ironic and amusing.


It just the standard Democratic response, you know that Gregmal.  Don't agree with me? You're a racist. It's worked for the Democrats for YEARS.

Blacks are starting to wake up the to "Utopia" that the Democratic Party has created for them - the welfare state, the single mother families, etc

The Democrats are absolutely TERRIFIED of the reception Trump is getting from blacks that want to think for themselves. It's awesome to watch.
Watch clips of many of the Trump rallies and focus on all the blacks that attend them. These people know that Democratic Party has failed them
miserably for years.

The Democrats KNOW that if Trump picks up 10 or 15% of the black vote this next election - that Trump will be President again - so the
all out assault begins - because with all time low black unemployment under Trump - Democrats are in big, big trouble.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

Eric, you generally post links of very high quality. This one seems to be an exception.

I agree that there is much to strike out and wade through and that I wouldn't quote, however I would keep this nugget: 
"It’s hard work to lift ourselves above our prejudices, and... the phrase “identity politics” to disparage those who are trying is displaying their own... held biases." 
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Jurgis on May 22, 2020, 01:57:50 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

Eric, you generally post links of very high quality. This one seems to be an exception.

Read the Footnotes' worldview:
"Liberals who criticize Trump - great. Liberals who criticize neocon ideology - not great."
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 22, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
The Democratic party still thinks they "own" minorities....simply amazing....Any minority who doesn't pledge their allegiance to the Democratic party is immediately ostracized, labeled "And Uncle Tom" or some other ridiculous term.

Many blacks are understanding the hell that the Democratic Party has created for them. They know they have been suckers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izEQe1YL4LI

And when all else fails for Democrats, just call your opponents racists.

Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 02:10:05 PM
And when all else fails for Democrats, just call your opponents racists.

Ah the irony.  If Biden is a racist Trump must be behind in the polling.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 02:14:30 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

Eric, you generally post links of very high quality. This one seems to be an exception.

Read the Footnotes' worldview:
"Liberals who criticize Trump - great. Liberals who criticize neocon ideology - not great."
Jurgis, did you learn that style of argumentation from Cathy Newman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3rxbaECKIQ

Maybe I'm just a fan of a well reasoned argument. ERICOPOLY expresses himself well and generally links to high quality resources. In this case, I think he could have made his point better with a different link.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 02:19:19 PM
The Democratic party still thinks they "own" minorities....simply amazing....Any minority who doesn't pledge their allegiance to the Democratic party is immediately ostracized, labeled "And Uncle Tom" or some other ridiculous term.

Many blacks are understanding the hell that the Democratic Party has created for them. They know they have been suckers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izEQe1YL4LI

And when all else fails for Democrats, just call your opponents racists.
That's pretty good. You really do sound like a puppet, but I think you're supposed to say "The Blacks".

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-the-blacks-the-gays-2016-10
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 02:20:34 PM
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/01/30/identity-politics-is-racist-code/

Eric, you generally post links of very high quality. This one seems to be an exception.

Read the Footnotes' worldview:
"Liberals who criticize Trump - great. Liberals who criticize neocon ideology - not great."
Did you learn that style of argumentation from Cathy Newman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3rxbaECKIQ

Maybe I'm just a fan of a well reasoned argument. ERICOPOLY expresses himself well and generally links to high quality resources. In this case, I think he could have made his point better with a different link.

I agree with that.  Parts of it rhymed with the tone of the militant speaker in the Black Panther Party scene from Forrest Gump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzk89bYjiQ
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 02:29:11 PM
The Democratic party still thinks they "own" minorities....simply amazing....Any minority who doesn't pledge their allegiance to the Democratic party is immediately ostracized, labeled "And Uncle Tom" or some other ridiculous term.

Many blacks are understanding the hell that the Democratic Party has created for them. They know they have been suckers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izEQe1YL4LI

And when all else fails for Democrats, just call your opponents racists.
That's pretty good. You really do sound like a puppet, but I think you're supposed to say "The Blacks".

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-the-blacks-the-gays-2016-10

That's awesome:

Trump once complained that "the whites" don't receive BET Award nominations.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/fmr-obama-biden-official-biden-is-in-no-position-to-determine-who-is-black-enough-or-not-83798597782

Now, let's sit back and see if Biden calls them MSRNC.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 03:19:55 PM
Now, let's sit back and see . . .
Biden apologized. The fun is probably over.

Quote
"I should not have been so cavalier. I've never, never, ever taken the African American community for granted."

Biden also said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy," adding that "no one should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-apologizes-for-remarks-on-black-voters-on-the-breakfast-club-2020-5

If you've ever watched the show in question, it's probably a very difficult show to try to balance being Presidential and looking like a total dork. I'll take Biden's performance over Elizabeth Warren's. I dare you to try sitting through this performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxVoXVwriOM
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 22, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
One of the architects of the drug war that has torn our cities to shreds and put millions of blacks behind bars for doing what white kids do openly without fear has decided that he's going to tell everyone how to be black.   The democratic party needs to find a way to stop this guy from talking publicly until the election if they want to have a chance.

Some really outstanding commentary from Harris Faulkner on this issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbvz_eJHyPQ

"You don't have to be ANY particular race to know when someone puts you down because you are different"
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 03:40:55 PM
Now, let's sit back and see . . .
Biden apologized. The fun is probably over.

Quote
"I should not have been so cavalier. I've never, never, ever taken the African American community for granted."

Biden also said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy," adding that "no one should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-apologizes-for-remarks-on-black-voters-on-the-breakfast-club-2020-5

If you've ever watched the show in question, it's probably a very difficult show to try to balance being Presidential and looking like a total dork. I'll take Biden's performance over Elizabeth Warren's. I dare you to try sitting through this performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxVoXVwriOM

Wow, so you're saying that works better than "you're a terrible reporter, and you're not a real news network"?
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Read the Footnotes on May 22, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
Now, let's sit back and see . . .
Biden apologized. The fun is probably over.

Quote
"I should not have been so cavalier. I've never, never, ever taken the African American community for granted."

Biden also said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy," adding that "no one should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-apologizes-for-remarks-on-black-voters-on-the-breakfast-club-2020-5

If you've ever watched the show in question, it's probably a very difficult show to try to balance being Presidential and looking like a total dork. I'll take Biden's performance over Elizabeth Warren's. I dare you to try sitting through this performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxVoXVwriOM

Wow, so you're saying that works better than "you're a terrible reporter, and you're not a real news network"?
I post for your consideration what is widely considered as "the Gettysburg Address of apologies".

Quote
“This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course — not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
Now, let's sit back and see . . .
Biden apologized. The fun is probably over.

Quote
"I should not have been so cavalier. I've never, never, ever taken the African American community for granted."

Biden also said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy," adding that "no one should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-apologizes-for-remarks-on-black-voters-on-the-breakfast-club-2020-5

If you've ever watched the show in question, it's probably a very difficult show to try to balance being Presidential and looking like a total dork. I'll take Biden's performance over Elizabeth Warren's. I dare you to try sitting through this performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxVoXVwriOM

Wow, so you're saying that works better than "you're a terrible reporter, and you're not a real news network"?
I post for your consideration what is widely considered as "the Gettysburg Address of apologies".

Quote
“This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course — not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”

Lol!
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: stahleyp on May 22, 2020, 07:43:48 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/11/06/10-reasons-you-cant-be-a-christian-and-vote-for-donald-trump/

It's not really voting for Trump. It's more like voting against the other person.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 22, 2020, 11:10:32 PM
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-22/biden-says-if-youre-black-and-dont-vote-for-him-youre-not-black-hes-right
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: meiroy on May 23, 2020, 12:30:42 AM


This guy +  Dems pushing not to reopen = Trump winning the next election.

 :(

Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 23, 2020, 09:08:35 AM


This guy +  Dems pushing not to reopen = Trump winning the next election.

 :(

Dude - it's their only hope. This party needs NO help from Trump in order to destroy itself.

The takeover from the LEFT is now completed - and they are all going down with the ship.

Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 23, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
Yea the libtards know that their best shot at getting rid of Trump is killing the economy. The media knows it too, hence all the coverage. But there is a certain sick, even sinister element to whats going on. Wealthy, elitist, shitbag liberals who are sitting in cash or treasuries and pushing full throttle on destroying the economy. I guess at worst its another generation or two of people who will then be reliant on the government...
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 23, 2020, 11:39:40 AM
Yea the libtards know that their best shot at getting rid of Trump is killing the economy. The media knows it too, hence all the coverage. But there is a certain sick, even sinister element to whats going on. Wealthy, elitist, shitbag liberals who are sitting in cash or treasuries and pushing full throttle on destroying the economy. I guess at worst its another generation or two of people who will then be reliant on the government...

When the world revolves around you, this is how it looks.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 23, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
Yea the libtards know that their best shot at getting rid of Trump is killing the economy. The media knows it too, hence all the coverage. But there is a certain sick, even sinister element to whats going on.

Good news is that even the blacks are catching on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PRZiFzonUo&t=21s

Gotta love their comments about Asians, Indians and Mexicans...
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: rkbabang on May 26, 2020, 08:47:02 AM
The Babylon Bee is the only smart media outlet.


"To Save Time, The Babylon Bee Will Now Just Republish Everything Biden Says Verbatim"
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-offered-position-as-staff-writer-at-the-babylon-bee


"we're announcing today that we will simply be republishing everything Joe Biden says word for word rather than spending a lot of time and effort writing satire. We at The Babylon Bee realized we were spending all this time trying to satirize Joe Biden when, frankly, he just can't be satirized. He's doing all the hard work for us with statements like "You ain't black!" and, of gun violence, that "150 million people have been killed since 2007."
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 26, 2020, 10:21:04 AM
If you want to straighten out the Democratic Party - you first have to get rid of the radical phonies, like Maxine Waters, and replace
her with reasonable minds like this black candidate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6uSRG-FMp0

This guy would do something about the failures of the party for blacks. At least, he has passion.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 26, 2020, 10:43:29 AM
If you want to straighten out the Democratic Party - you first have to get rid of the radical phonies, like Maxine Waters, and replace
her with reasonable minds like this black candidate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6uSRG-FMp0

This guy would do something about the failures of the party for blacks. At least, he has passion.

It is so true. Its sad when you look of some of the legacy figureheads for the black community. Politicians and activists like Sharpton, Waters, Cummins... they are basically profiteering off of the hardships of their people and the public "sympathy" dollars that get redirected to "their" campaigns so people can artificially soothe their consciences. Wouldn't it be easier to just make real efforts and promote tangible change than just continuously use their bumper sticker programs and policies that really only enrich the same establishment folks that have cleverly figured out how to "monetize" the struggles of African Americans?
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: LC on May 26, 2020, 10:54:51 AM
Quote
It is so true. Its sad when
...

The truly sad part is:

In your post, you could replace "black" with "rural white" and "Sharpton, Waters etc" with "Trump, McConnell etc" and reach the very same conclusion.

The difference is that the "rural white" option has far greater effect on the state and federal government policies and enforcements.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 26, 2020, 11:10:10 AM
Quote
It is so true. Its sad when
...

The truly sad part is:

In your post, you could replace "black" with "rural white" and "Sharpton, Waters etc" with "Trump, McConnell etc" and reach the very same conclusion.

The difference is that the "rural white" option has far greater effect on the state and federal government policies and enforcements.

Hey, we're just trying to help you save the Democratic Party from the radicals that have destroyed it - if you elected more guys like the one in the video - you would defeat Trump easily.

Have it your way!

The party never learns!
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 26, 2020, 11:39:00 AM
Quote
It is so true. Its sad when
...

The truly sad part is:

In your post, you could replace "black" with "rural white" and "Sharpton, Waters etc" with "Trump, McConnell etc" and reach the very same conclusion.

The difference is that the "rural white" option has far greater effect on the state and federal government policies and enforcements.

Hey, we're just trying to help you save the Democratic Party from the radicals that have destroyed it - if you elected more guys like the one in the video - you would defeat Trump easily.

Have it your way!

The party never learns!

To be fair, black folks aint stupid either. As bad as the Democrats are, and as much and they have historically treated colored folks like stupid puppets, the Republican Party does a pretty poor job of making itself an attractive alternative. Sure identity politics has made this even worse, but for years Ive regularly heard from black friends and acquaintances that while they align more with conservative values, within their own communities there are still too many stigmas attached to "being a republican". At least with the devil you know, there is comfort, even if its something as demeaning as "here's a pack of Newport's, you know where to vote", such as what took place with the Al Gore campaign.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 11:44:56 AM
In the full 116th Congress, the overwhelming majority of racial and ethnic nonwhite members are Democrats (90%), while just 10% are Republicans.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/08/for-the-fifth-time-in-a-row-the-new-congress-is-the-most-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-ever/
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 26, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
In the full 116th Congress, the overwhelming majority of racial and ethnic nonwhite members are Democrats (90%), while just 10% are Republicans.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/08/for-the-fifth-time-in-a-row-the-new-congress-is-the-most-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-ever/

Yes, the party has become a shallow and predictable "mostest diversest" contest... the search for the holy grail continues, a half black half hispanic, Muslim, female who also identifies as a man and has mastered the art of peeing standing up.... like Big Foot, it's out there.

Whats unfortunate is that these people arent even aware that they are being exploited by the same good old boys club elitist white folks who still pull all the strings behind the party's curtain. "I'll have me one of those in the 2nd district"... pretty demeaning.

One day maybe, they'll bring forth someone with substance rather than a "checklist" of marketing points.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: LC on May 26, 2020, 12:03:19 PM
Hey, we're just trying to help you save the Democratic Party from the radicals that have destroyed it - if you elected more guys like the one in the video - you would defeat Trump easily.

Have it your way!

The party never learns!

More like "the system never changes".

Right now, the winning strategy is to make short-term promises that only appeal to red state demographics vs. long-term promises that only appeal to blue state demographics. At least, from an economic and foreign policy point of view.

Competitive advantage is a winning strategy globally (at least over the last 1000 years) but, as the last election has shown, a losing strategy regionally.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 12:23:08 PM
Yes, the party has become a shallow and predictable "mostest diversest" contest... the search for the holy grail continues, a half black half hispanic, Muslim, female who also identifies as a man and has mastered the art of peeing standing up.... like Big Foot, it's out there.

Typical line that blacks only got their jobs because of affirmative action.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: cubsfan on May 26, 2020, 01:02:36 PM


 As bad as the Democrats are, and as much and they have historically treated colored folks like stupid puppets, the Republican Party does a pretty poor job of making itself an attractive alternative.

This is ABSOLUTELY true - the Republican Party has done a terrible job for the black community until Trump. They've avoid going into the
inner city, afraid of being humiliated, etc.  But Trump has done blacks a lot of good with his focus on bring jobs back to America and
driving down black unemployment.

The KEY difference is that for years, Democrats have been the party for black community - and have accomplished nothing but creating
a living hell for them. Look at cities like Chicago, that have been 100% solidly Democratic for 70 years now - and the ghettos and lives for
blacks in the city have not improved. Look at Baltimore and other Democrat strongholds.

Look at Barrack Obama - put on the man and elected by Chicago. He did nothing for Illinois or the black community - and he doesn't care.
He does, however, have a great life in Nantucket and his mansion in DC.  He could care less about helping the blacks in Chicago.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 26, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
Yes, the party has become a shallow and predictable "mostest diversest" contest... the search for the holy grail continues, a half black half hispanic, Muslim, female who also identifies as a man and has mastered the art of peeing standing up.... like Big Foot, it's out there.

Typical line that blacks only got their jobs because of affirmative action.

Yea totally... Wonder why you have such a shitty presidential nominee? Because you ran out a retarded smorgasbord of box checker candidates trying to find the "mostest diverse"...than were all clowns. Horrible candidates. And then when a reasonable candidate came along, like Bloomberg, you disparaged him for not having enough boxes checked. Or when a great candidate like Schultz even hinted he'd be interested, he was attacked and stereotyped.... make your bed, now lie in it with all the weirdos.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 02:29:11 PM
And then when a reasonable candidate came along, like Bloomberg, you disparaged him for not having enough boxes checked.

Huh?  Bloomberg was my candidate.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 26, 2020, 02:46:09 PM
And then when a reasonable candidate came along, like Bloomberg, you disparaged him for not having enough boxes checked.

Huh?  Bloomberg was my candidate.

Your party and its propaganda arms in the media. All they did was shred these guys and focus on making them look bad, almost as if they were Republicans....

The way Schultz was treated for even considering a run was disgraceful.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
And then when a reasonable candidate came along, like Bloomberg, you disparaged him for not having enough boxes checked.

Huh?  Bloomberg was my candidate.

Your party and its propaganda arms in the media. All they did was shred these guys and focus on making them look bad, almost as if they were Republicans....

The way Schultz was treated for even considering a run was disgraceful.

I’m not Democrat.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 04:50:44 PM
But Trump has done blacks a lot of good with his focus on bring jobs back to America and
driving down black unemployment.

Trump has not improved the relative position of black unemployment.  It is still 112% higher than white unemployment.

I can't think of any program that Trump has spearheaded to change this.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 26, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
Biden should just say it was a joke. All Trump supporters seem to support that logic even when lives are at risk rather than just a poor joke or tasteless comment.

+1

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michigan-governor-faces-scrutiny-husbands-192746989.html

Good to see the Libs rising star knows how to play the game! Also, notice the excellent pivot from the subject at hand, into "I am a victim" rhetoric. She's going places!
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 26, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
Biden should just say it was a joke. All Trump supporters seem to support that logic even when lives are at risk rather than just a poor joke or tasteless comment.

+1

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michigan-governor-faces-scrutiny-husbands-192746989.html

Good to see the Libs rising star knows how to play the game! Also, notice the excellent pivot from the subject at hand, into "I am a victim" rhetoric. She's going places!

This is a refreshing change from hearing you whine about Trump being victimized by the Democrats.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: rkbabang on May 27, 2020, 06:14:11 AM
I hope someone asks Biden if a Black man can retain his blackness if he votes for the Libertarian candidate?   Or is that a disqualification from blackness also?  These issues of race are all so complicated. I'm thankful we have Creepy Joe to sort them all out for us and tell us what's malarkey and what isn't.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 09:41:25 AM
These issues of race are all so complicated.

Only for the willfully blind.  Watch the clip of Biden making the comment and judge for yourself.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: Gregmal on May 27, 2020, 09:47:33 AM
These issues of race are all so complicated.

Only for the willfully blind.  Watch the clip of Biden making the comment and judge for yourself.

It isn't really that complicated, but its pretty darn clear there are issues. I mean, the media loves pushing racism. Even lately, its pretty nuts to think of the widespread acceptance of the term "Karen" to refer to a white woman... From the same folks that if you labelled a black person "Jamal" or a Hispanic "Jose", they'd be protesting like dogs and trying to ruin your life!
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: ERICOPOLY on May 27, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
These issues of race are all so complicated.

Only for the willfully blind.  Watch the clip of Biden making the comment and judge for yourself.

It isn't really that complicated, but its pretty darn clear there are issues. I mean, the media loves pushing racism. Even lately, its pretty nuts to think of the widespread acceptance of the term "Karen" to refer to a white woman... From the same folks that if you labelled a black person "Jamal" or a Hispanic "Jose", they'd be protesting like dogs and trying to ruin your life!

The conservatives pushing the 'racism' card, and then screaming "identity politics".  They have no self awareness at all.  Zero.  The Biden thing was all over the Fox website.

If you don't like it, don't do it.

CNN did it to Biden too.  The difference is, Fox News doesn't do it to Trump.
Title: Re: You can't be black and Vote for Trump
Post by: meiroy on May 27, 2020, 11:11:25 PM
I think there are several main reasons why people support Trump blindly:

1. Demographic changes in recent years, with trends that will continue.  White Christian communities are worried that their way of life is changing forever.  We should be sympathetic to such groups. Psychologically this is understandable and it should be addressed with care..   One can notice the percentage of GOP white men and DEM white men.  This is not strictly due to different economic POV.

2. Ideological belief in "small government".  So, Trump reducing the CDC personnel is a good thing, because it's a smaller government, regardless of the consequence.  "business could have done a better job anyhow".